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 Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 2:03pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
^^^ On a serious note, try and act like a grown up at least for once. The best u should do is sit back and observe. cheers! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal vs Barcelona [2 - 2]on Wed, 31st; 7.45pm by Tonyet1(m): 1:50pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
switchmax8:Like the whole stadium will be filled with barca fans abi. *sighs*.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Second Time In A Church, Head Of Usher Will Not Let Me Be by Tonyet1(m): 1:45pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
@ KunleOshob, If the word "daft" were a compliment, i would have said YOU ARE SO DAFT. You have not showed us what evil you have against CEC, until then, keep up the silly work. cheers! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would Someone Go To Hell If He Doesn't Do Water Baptism? by Tonyet1(m): 1:36pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
noetic16:I wonder if they think JC was drunk when He made that statement or maybe HE MADE THAT STATEMENT FOR THE FUN/RIDICULE OF HIS MINISTRY. NL christians will never seize to surprise. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 1:33pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
I wish i could reply that guys posts up - up - here , but he keeps avoiding my replies. So let me stay clear since he could have nothing to say/prove as usual.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 1:26pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
^^^ KunleOshob, God forbid! I have never known tithe to be a jewish law so dont be rather confused. You're snaring yourself all the more with your poor grasp of proper and simple english, maybe for your obsessed biases or something else. Safe for now. I have always mentioned it here that the Tithe practised by the Israelites after that of the Partriachs were administrative tithes. In Java programming, we believe a class could have another instance of a class, but the original class should/must exist for the new instance class to be valid. - The original tithing began with Abraham and was called "ma'aser", meaning the giving of a tenth portion of one's possession( which could gold, silver, diamond(all which were the monies used in ancient times) as well as agricultural produce) as honor to a deity. - The later tithing which began with the law of moses was the "ma'aser terumah" was instituted telling them what and what they to give, and this was because God did not allow them to trade with foreigners in the wilderness advent. Now let me rather correct you. - Matthew 23:23 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Correction: If tithing were a law, Jesus would have said . . ."have omitted the weightier matters which is the law". The term "of" is a preposition used to join/relate two families/bases together. (i.e matters + law = matters of the law), not ( matters + law = law) Do you understand? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Hebrews 7:5 - And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: Correction: If tithing were a law, then the author of Hebrew would have said . . ."have a commandment to take tithes of the people as a law. The word "according" is an adverb which means "in proportion to". Therefore, to have had that word in the sentence meant that the levites were to take tithes according to how the law of moses assigned them to. (i.e according + law = according to the law), not ( according + law = law) Do you understand? KunleOshob, stop sentiments, you know the truth deep inside you, but pride will not allow you concede to the truth. Dont be afraid, you'll not lose your honor in this section. cheers! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 12:51pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
KunleOshob:Good! This is what is rather excepted from you, when you contribute on issues of tithes, make sure and boldened to inform folks here that the ACT ITSELF IS NOT BAD, and that what you are against is the way fake shepherds fleece and deceive their flocks. And i'll respect you for that. simple! because for the best part of this section, you have been spreading the evil info that the practise's been abolished and that preachers uses it to deceive their flocks. which you and I know that a thousand folks come here to be informed and the read these lies from your posts and go on with the fake crusade. Foster this claim : . Tithing in it self is not a wrong or evil practise (Like you said up here) and i'll see a honorable KunleOshob or else you should come up with scriptural passages to stand your case next time u later change your point or claim. cheers! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 12:21pm On Apr 01, 2010 |
InesQor:For my long stay in this section, i have come to see a sincere person who really spewed wisdom. God bless you InesQor I asked that question above, because some sentimental or would i rather say biaised folks here come outrightly to say the practise of Tithing is EVIL, not only evil , they say its also an obsolete act and as such should be abolished. And when asked to explain why they feel so, their baseless excuses are - because Oyedepo uses his members tithes to fly a private jet - because Daddy GO has millionaires club - because Creflo Dollars ate all the money/tithes Holyfield gave to the formers ministry whilst a member a and other baseless excuses. And i wondered, what has Oyedepo's use of money(s) got to do with my simple obedience of an act? What concerns me if Daddy GO uses peoples tithes to float a millionaires club or am i tithing to them or to God? For all i care, if Jesus said i should practise an act, then it is my prerogative to foster the act regarldless of what "fake" shepherds do to abuse the act, my responsiblity is to pray the HolySpirit gives me direction to give this money to the right places where i can be blessed in turn according to God's promise. First, the Anti-tithers made folks believe that Tithing was a Law, and that since Jesus came to "abolish"(like they put it) the law, meant tithe should no longer be practise. I have gone thru' scriptures both OT and NT, and am yet to find a single passage that says "TITHING HAS BEEN ABOLISHED", again never ever was it recorded in the scriptures that Tithing was a Law, so therefore why should we destroy a custom that never began with the Law. Does it make sense? Ok, i asked all those who opposed tithing to show me passages in the scriptures that says i should not tithe, and the keep silent or divert the topic, maybe for fear of their ignorance or sentiments i dont know. They turned back to ask me to provide scriptures to buttress why i think the act is still valid and i came up with study outline in the first post of the thead Who says Tithing is not New testamental? , and they tagged me " A greek monger" fine i am a greek monger but atleast my expeditions paid-off. Anyone who comes up here to say Tithing is as good as dead, should be wise as a Christian and come up with proper and clear/explicit scriptures to buttress such claim. Period! This is where i love from your post: Tithe should be properly understood, and WHEN it is understood, given willingly and lovingly. NOT NECESSARILY or COMPULSORILY. |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Arsenal vs Barcelona [2 - 2]on Wed, 31st; 7.45pm by Tonyet1(m): 11:57am On Apr 01, 2010 |
Even if we'll lose out in Nou camp, at least we defended our pride in Emirates. If you feel Arsenal to the bone join me to say : GUNNERS, PRIDE OF ENGLAND!  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 11:31am On Apr 01, 2010 |
Ok i want a single sincere and honest christian here on NL to come out and boldly write why HE/SHE feels the act of Tithing is evil/obsolete or abolished. And pls back your points with Scritpural references. Maybe i could be a convert! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pope Benedict (xvi) Resign ! by Tonyet1(m): 11:15am On Apr 01, 2010 |
@ Poster, could you be kind to give another link to at least believe your april fool-est lie |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would Someone Go To Hell If He Doesn't Do Water Baptism? by Tonyet1(m): 11:05am On Apr 01, 2010 |
@Jesoul, My reason for asking you if you think Paradise and Heaven meant the same place was simply base on your notion when you said "If baptism was the prerequiste for Heaven then how come the thief made his way to Paradise?". And i was straight to tell you that your misinterpretation of paradise as heaven could be wrong, because Paradise and heaven both mean different things and thus are different places. Where is Paradise? PARADISEThe book of Revelation made it clearer this way, Rev 2:7 - To him who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant to eat [of the fruit] of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.[/b]AMP At least you and I know that the tree of Life was in no other place except the garden of Eden. Heaven was not where the Thief went to, but rather Paradise (the origin of man's perfection). Thus therefore, Water Baptism is a necessity for anyone who wants to make the kingdom of God, John 3:5- [b]Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [even] the Spirit, [b]he cannot enter the kingdom of God[/b]AMP |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would Someone Go To Hell If He Doesn't Do Water Baptism? by Tonyet1(m): 4:04pm On Mar 31, 2010 |
Ok J-babe, one question sha, do you think/believe Paradise and Heaven both mean the same place? Pls your answer will go a long way. cheers! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Nigeria Sharia Court Confirms Twitter Debate Ban by Tonyet1(m): 12:19pm On Mar 31, 2010 |
Would not be surprised if those vampires use this to create another crisis in the country again Islamism - what a religion! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would Someone Go To Hell If He Doesn't Do Water Baptism? by Tonyet1(m): 12:05pm On Mar 31, 2010 |
^^^ One question i kindly ask you, If you say water baptism only/just depicted the divine transformation of death with Christ, Burial with Christ and ressurection into newness of life with Christ which already took place divinely at salvation. Would i be right to assert from your notion that JESUS WAS BAPTIZED TO DEPICT TRANSFORMATION OF HIS DEATH, BURIAL WITH HIMSELF AND RESSURRECT INTO THE NEWNESS OF LIFE WITH HIMSELF. does it make sense? Maybe we are not grasping the full defs. of baptism (water, holyspirit and fire) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would Someone Go To Hell If He Doesn't Do Water Baptism? by Tonyet1(m): 11:01am On Mar 31, 2010 |
JeSoul:lol, J-babe take am easy ,this is where you seem to be getting it all wrong. paradise and Heaven are two different places. paradise is word with persian origin meaning the Garden of Eden where the tree of life resided, inotherwords it was a realm of perfection on earth. whilst Heaven is where God and his authority dwells. The thief did not go to heaven, but rather the REALM OF PERFECTION ON EARTH. I dont want to show scriptures yet until you check the meanings better, cheers!  WATER BAPTISM IS A PREREQUISITE FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN . quote me.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If Abuzola Was Banned What About Ogaga4luv? by Tonyet1(m): 5:33pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Its Like The Story About Christ Embassy Is Real Oh! Witnessed Personally by Tonyet1(m): 5:26pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
KunleOshob:What sucks in your posts is your inability to give proofs. Can you backup this silly assertion you just made? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Believers: What If You Die And Find Out That You Have Served The Wrong God? by Tonyet1(m): 5:23pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
The topic will surely be the case for some religious believers but certainly not those who worship the TRUE GOD |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would Someone Go To Hell If He Doesn't Do Water Baptism? by Tonyet1(m): 5:20pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
1 Peter 3:20-22 - >>> 20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, >>>21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also — not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, >>>22 who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand — with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him. NIV The true definition of Water baptism is not the removal of dirt from the body but the [b]PLEDGE OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD[/b]as Peter put it. Therefore the onus is that water baptism is a prerequiste for true and genuine repentance which saves every Christian by the RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. Jesoul, lets see it this way - Noah's ark symbolizes HEAVEN - Only 8 were saved to enter into this HEAVEN - Why? because they were saved thru' water which peter said symbolizes WATER BAPTISM. cheers! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Should Stop Celebrating Easter by Tonyet1(m): 4:54pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
@poster, you need some water? pls take mine. you sounded exhausted. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deeper Life 2010 National Easter Retreat Is Here Again by Tonyet1(m): 4:52pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
^^^ Glad to know, but my concern is that these programs shine only within the confinement of the DLCM members, as sinners and alot of *new generational* christians go to where they hear what their iching ears yearn to hear. Wish you guys success in this seasons camp retreat. Amen! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 4:45pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
eghosaobas:Ok mr.Unconfused, lets say i am totally confused,now please COME AND UNCONFUSE MY CONFUSION or forever remain silent. I didnt say so the Jury did. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 4:43pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
ogajim:Ogajim, you really should be holding syringes and needles when doctors perform surgeries. An advice! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 4:39pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
KunleOshob:* He's asked me a question, i'll answer like a real christian should. 1. Abraham tithed to Melchisedec before the law of Moses was written. 2. Jacob promised to give God tithe, which means Tithing was a custom that exited in the patriarch family in whom the "True seed of God" will come from. 3. Moses never began tithing, he only instituted it on the Israelites becos the old generation who knew God has wiped out and a new one began who knew not the God of Abraham, God of Isaac nor God of Jacob 4. What does Tonye-t mean by "instituted tithe", it means Moses showed them how tithing should be administered within the confinement of the Israel nation since they were not allowed to trade with foreigners 5. Christians believe that the New testament supercedes the Old, therefore some practises were meant to be abhorred. Ok! what practises, and they say "Tithing" why? They say becos it was part of the Law. But bible never mentioned Tithing as a law, never ever in the whole of the scriptures was it ever mentioned a LAW so where did they get that false concept from. 6. Jesus himself, the all wise and all-greatest still brought the issue of tithing to the new testament. Here's what Jesus Christ said in the first book of the great NEW TESTAMENT: Matt.23:23 (NKJV) - Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin and have neglected the weightier matters of the law; justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done without leaving the others [Tithe] undone Matt 23:23 (TLB) "Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone Matthew 23:23 (HEPV) - And Jesus said to them : practise mercy, practise Justice, practise faithfulness and also i say to you do not neglect to practise Tithing. Matt 23:23(NIV)- "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former [ tithe] . Jesus has said this practise should remain as well as the practise of loving one another, as well as the practise of showing mercy and as well as being faithful to one another and unto God. So who is that hypocrite, who is that biaise brother, who is that sentimental folk that says the practise of tithing is satanic when Jesus says should remain. Let all men (Majority) remain liers but my God and his word remains true. And now Kunleoshob i challenge you before everyone here to show me a passage in the bible that abolished the practise of TITHEING, and if you come up to give me a law passage, THEN I ALSO CHALLENGE YOU BEFORE EVERYONE HERE TO SHOW ME A PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE THAT EXPILICTLY OR OTHERWISE SAID "TITHING IS A LAW" and it should be so clear for everyone to understand. Answer mine like i did yours. God bless you! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deeper Life 2010 National Easter Retreat Is Here Again by Tonyet1(m): 2:36pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
This is goin to be a good program for the easter season safe for my job i'd love to attend as is my custom, but i doubt the turn-up since what "Christians" these days like/love to see are programs that will showcase and feature "comedians", "motivational speakers", "business workshops" et al. I wonder if Jesus were still in the physical, his whip would have torn/wear-out for the strokes he would have casted on merchandize christians. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 2:27pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
ogajim: You have said nothing here so far. The best you could do is show me passages that said "TITHING HAS BEEN ABOLISHED" or that said "TITHING IS A LAW" ? or do i need to give you googles to put see the boldened and underlined sentence better? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 2:18pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
^^^ Kunle stop dilly-dallying here you never want to hear the word "tithe" yet you dont have any genuine reason why the act of tithing should be stopped, since you're the CHIEF-CRUSADER OF ANTI-TITHING then you should at least have scriptural backups to buttress your fight, brace up and answer a simple question like a christian. [size=15pt]PROVE IT![/size] SHOW ME A PASSAGE THAT SAYS TITHING HAS BEEN ABOLISHED or AT LEAST A PASSAGE THAT SAYS TITHING IS A LAW. period! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Stop Calling Your Children Kids! by Tonyet1(m): 2:08pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
Babaearly, I quite dont understand your ideology, do you mean to assert that everyone who calls their children- kids will be have them behave like goats? pls explain. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 1:22pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
KunleOshob:So he endorsed a Kingdom custom for the "Hypocrites" to practise, while we the christians watch them grow rich by honoring God. Who now is the Pharisee, the hypocritical Pharisee i mean, you or them? lol KunleOshob, No matter how you fail to see tithe, it has remained and will always remain a kingdom custom, why? Because Jehovah himself instructed it on those who love Him. How? Because He said: Prov 3: 9 Honor the Lord with your capital and sufficiency [from righteous labors] and with the firstfruits of all your income; 10 So shall your storage places be filled with plenty, and your vats shall be overflowing with new wine. At least it wasnt Moses who made this verse, but the wisest King of all time who believed in the principle of tithing. And if you say only agricultural produce was instructed, then how come bible said "ABRAHAM WHO FIRST TITHED BEFORE THE LAW WAS SAID TO HAVE TITHED EVERYTHING?" Doesnt the word everything mean/included diamonds, golds, silver (all which were the monies used in his time). And now Kunleoshob i challenge you before everyone here to show me a passage in the bible that abolished the practise of TITHEING, and if you come up to give me a law passage, THEN I ALSO CHALLENGE YOU BEFORE EVERYONE HERE TO SHOW ME A PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE THAT EXPILICTLY OR OTHERWISE SAID "TITHING IS A LAW" and it should be so clear for everyone to understand. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 12:38pm On Mar 30, 2010 |
ogajim:Are majority always right on an issue.? John 14:15(NIV) - "If you love me, you will obey what I command - - - regardless of what the "majority" thinks about the issue. Period! [/color] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Assisting A Friend Or Pay Tithe. by Tonyet1(m): 5:46pm On Mar 29, 2010 |
Matt 23:23-24 (NIV) 23 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law — justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former [ tithe] . You may also wish to check New International Version my friend |
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