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WinsomeX:
The next presentation is by Conrad Mbewe on "The African Import of Charismatic Chaos". It is already in the OP, and can be read here:

www.nairaland.com/2016831/john-macarthurs-2013-strange-fire#28373029

Here is the summary:



The next message is by John MacArthur himself: Testing the Spirit.

Stay tuned...

Beautiful presentations, I will make out time for it
Thanks for sharing

Calvin was burnt at stakes. In the real sense of it he opposed the devil who was the author of falsehood that had crept into the voice of the majority. As it was then so it is now the voice of the majority today sings a discordant tune from the very teachings of Jesus and the core values of the Apostolic teachings Today's gospel is no longer Jesus but Tithe, Seed and Prosper. Pastors lay hands on the wicked to say "God bless you it is well with you".

A mighty stronghold is our God...
The prince of darkness grin,
we trembled not for him
God's truth abideth still
His Kingdom is forever

I have tried to ignore a fellow who prefers to be addressed as son of lucifer. But his posts and comments sometimes are so entertaining as he tries to play the role of the son of a bad Character, he forgot that the Character Lucifer created by God, among the Angelic being, as described in the Bible was beautiful, a leader of the worship team, the son of the morning, a personality that had so much good going for him. He had reasons to be proud judging from his rank and endowment

So funny as it may look, son of Lucifer shouldn't be misinterpreted as son of Satan. Till that sonoflucifer fellow changes to sonofsatan then the role he is trying to depict will match its proper name

And maybe everyother demon on the web will converge to test who deserves the coveted title of the sonofsatan. Perhaps we shall watch how divided the Kingdom is against itself. Till then everything should not be joked with

vooks:
There is a man I know. He is quite aggressive at collecting impromptu offerings. The kind of guy who go like 'the Lord showed me eight businessmen who will sow one million....RUSH to the front. The LORD wants to lift and elevate you to dumbfounding levels'. Four negroes show up. He aks for the remaining four. Nine show up and he be like, 'The Lord showed me eight.....but er it is well'

Next, he be like, 'if you are out there and you want to DARE God with five hundred thousand, not by faith but by latest tomorrow, rush to the front and queue behind these...o God the anointing in this place..(speaks in tongues)...

Next he will call one hundred thousand guys.

After this he will go to fifty thousand. By this time the altar is packed. he goes like, 'ushers quick, distribute the envelopes. Please remain where you @'

And finally the losers and suckaz like you and I are aksd to pick envelopes form ushers and raise them up to CONNECT with the SAME Word/anointing for ANY AMOUNT so as not to be left behind

The million dudes at the front get hands laid on them, 'prophetic word' spoken. Some fall of course. He can't get through the the half a million crown. He just aks everyone to ' RECEIVE!!!'

The only bit I forgot to insert was after the first four millionaires, he be like,'you may not have it here with your or you left your chequebook in the car....Oh my God, you know yourselves....don't MISS it for nothing, if you will need to borrow, borrow to top up by tomorrow...NOTE, this is not coercion or manipulation.'

Quoted whole for emphasis,
You know these Criminals who rob using the name of God. Your description fits those of them who prefer the title of Prophet(Dr.) Wisdom Wealth aka God's general demon destroyer of a church with a title like Final bus stop holiness International Min.
After each show of their magicals, visions of 50 persons that will sow 50k each follows.

Oyedepo, Oyakhilome and Co have a subtle way of obtaining theirs, through foot soldiers(employed Pastors) on branches who must meet targets, remitting the same to Headquarters

Happy Birthday J. O. Agbaje

A good man adulterated by the false teachings of Oyakhilome. A decent man with genuine love for God but helplessly infested with the extortionist and twisted gospel of Loves world.

God will deliver and open the eyes of many seemingly innocent men recruited as pastors under G.Os whose credibility has continued to generate questions. More Deserters will emerge and more secrets will be revealed about the self serving preachers and their gospels


And to all pastors who already know the truth about these men but have continued to play along because of the financial gains at the local posts, I pray they realize it profits nothing to gain the whole world and lose one's soul

dorox:
They reason like this. Givers never lack. Her financial difficulties stems from her refusal to continue giving.

Exactly. They will never see it as financial recklessness on her part. As hypnotized as they are, it is an act of faith to loan money and sow seed for the work of the Lord. I strongly believe that God looks pitifully at the foo.lishness of the likes of Mrs Dalapo Oni

Can she be bold enough to contact Rev. Chris Oyakhilome to bail her out? Let's see if Pastor Chris gives the same way he coerces people into giving heavily to his establishments

SirJohn:
If the agreement she had with Christ embassy or whoever within the church was well documented and unambiguous, then there were better ways to have handled the breach. Trying to force your way into someone's office to demand for your money is a no no for me. If she knew how to go to the police and then to court to sue, why didn't she explore that option first before resorting to physical violence in the customers premises?
I also do not endorse physical violence against women or anyone but .
Folks be like 'Is this SirJohn for real"

Sir, are you sure you wouldn't serve better as a detective. A private detective coy
I had thought she may have tried to create a scene and possibly attract sympathizers, you know women. Thinking it was a Church, expecting to be pampered and reasoned with.
These days, with the business activities in Churches they are becoming so ruthless, voilent and intolerant.
You now hear of Churches fighting among themselves or with the host community over Lands. Where in the Bible did Jesus fight over land

vooks:
Sarcasm it was my broda

Alright Watson

kilokeys:
uche uche
omo ibo.. oleh..
one billion from God's House.
u could press charges for assault..
but the money is for what?

Since Loveworld's organization is purely a business. It is incorporated and therefore, can sue and be sued regardless of any religious coating it has

But I will advise U-cheena not to waste her time and resources on such a wild goose chase (1billion?). Pastor Chris has made a lot of money from his business. He can bribe his way through the police and courts. RCCG land case with them is an example. And watch your back because Assassins and thugs could be on your trail

By now U-cheena should advice herself on her continued membership of Loves World

vooks:
These are useless detractors who can never in ten lifetimes accomplish a tenth of what Reverend Chris has accomplished

I don't think the lady is being unruly. Can't you see the injury on her? She has become a useless detractor because she has decided to cry out.

In terms of accomplishments, you should have said Reverend Chris Oyakhilome can never match the business acumen and bible twisting prowess of Mr. Satan Devil though Rev Chris is allowed ten lifetime to continue breeding and ordaining thugs

@ lastchild
I don't know if all your write ups on this are true. Many years ago I experienced something like your story although not to that extent in your narration. I went to a woman then, they call her Sister who prayed for me and that nonsense stopped till date. I was later told that rumours of the woman operating with some strange powers scattered her ministry. The story has it that at some point she was caught doing some weird spiritual things which most Christians will frown at

Have you tried going to TB Joshua, I think he is a specialist in the Demonology and has some reputations in the world of exorcism. Although there were many cases of relapse among those he had offered some relief which his knowledge of the Art has not been able to curtail

vooks:
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-They call him THE Mighty Prophet of God
-He does pull crowds
-Claims to have healing and signs
-Repentance and Holiness

Here is the catch;
One adherent vows the man will not taste death as he will be raptured together with the church (that's indirectly prophesying Christ's return in under 50 years this being the longest he can possibly live) seeing he is come in the spirit and power of Elijah and he must prepare the Church for rapture. So he can't stop BEFORE Christ return

If there is any truth in the Catholic history reports of Pope Francis being the last then we can't be talking of 50years range. The Pope Francis is already old and will most likely not be around for the next 50 years

So many news of the end coming soon. There is this report from Catholic history that Pope Francis should be the last Pope, for the number to be completed

There is another report of a world war happening sooner. As a matter of fact, the US has rejuvenated their nuclear programs ready to increase their war heads

There is another report that the peace negotiations that could reduce the number of days/ months of the impending war will be led by a religious leader with strong political presence in Europe

And then the number of fake prophets apportioning one title or another to themselves. Elijah of our time, Jesus Emmanuel of our time, etc
All these feast on people's fears. One thing I know is that no Man knows the hour or date, be prepared is the main deal
Btw, I don't trust the guy pictured above, he looks so fake to be real.He could be a miracle super star for all I care

Many have called and anointed themselves,. They've applied themselves to employing and empowering some other foot men to also pose as God's anointed in local branches.

Applying the principles of sweet talks, good language,good dress sense, well pimped building and some se.xy female assistants/workers to woe the very gullible. Others go extra length to learn some magic arts, metaphysics and the operation of herbs. Hiding under the cloaks of the performance they pull up, they term themselves God's anointed


Their evil fruits go before them as Schemers, Merchants of false teachings all aimed at extortion and enriching themselves at the expense of the very sheep they are supposed to feed

SirJohn:
Jeff was a member of a satellite church under Joagbaje.
he found out he was HIV positive and he told his fiancee. (this was at Glory Land Inri Medical Centre Yenogoa). He later went to the FMC and still tested positive.

From what I gather, the pastor (not Joagbaje) was aware of this situation but encouraged them to go ahead with wedding plans if they so choose (I don't know if this is a Christ Embassy policy)

At this time, Jeff said he had tried going on traditional medicine and even went to TB Joshua for cure but his condition remained.


So why did Jeff claim to have been healed? ? ? ?

Joagbaje became a victim of his own belief.

Secondly, I feel Jeff wanted to save face since he had fallen out with his fiancee in a messy break up.

so the sharp guy had to cook up a healing testimony which he laced with such audacious mendacity.

In all, I believe lessons have been learnt

Got it much clearer.
Mr. Jeff, a Loveworld's member was HIV positive before the Testimony and has remained HIV positive after the Testimony.
Was he taught that coming out to testify for a miracle which never took place is an act of FAITH which will make way for his eventual healing? The teachings invented daily by some these Churches bugles one's imagination
the bold text is a topic for another day

honeychild:
Joagbaje this is the second time you have been exposed as a fraud. The other time, you said you healed someone of blindness. Upon investigation it was discovered that the woman was never blind, but only had "peppery sensation" in her eye. Now you paraded an AIDS victim you cured, only for it to turn out that you never even prayed for the guy.

Please make out Sir John's cheque for 500k jare. Two weeks of tithes, thanksgiving and offering should cover it

I have read Pastor J.O response and I don't think this investigation will be complete without getting to know why Mr Jeff came to testify to having been cured of HIV when he was not even prayed for, there were no verifiable evidence that he was a known HIV carrier, the said witnesses (girl friend or close acquaintance ) are nowhere in short yet he had agreed to his testimony been shared to the World

A million dollar question is who hired Mr.Jeff to pose as healed of HIV in that video?

In all fairness to Joe Agbaje, he may not be aware that some fans go extra length to project the image of their lords, was it by mere coercion that somebody will leave his house and go to a church to pose as testifier for the fun of it

As for Bro. Agbaje, I know you have been in this business for a while making profits for your mentor and a little for yourself. It will be difficult for you to re-trace your steps at this point but a careful think through of the events of the past few years may help you decide if this business with all the intrigues and indoctrinations is really the Christianity that Jesus instituted.

Churches where one man's word is the law, he could hire and fire any branch Pastor, order the full remittance of collections to his head office, query officers(branch pastors) for financial performance at local posts, answers to no one and is feared by close assistants they dare not say Sir I don't think this what is in the Bible, are Cults and the road to Heaven cannot be found there regardless of the miracles marketed

And if such a GO can solely recruit and fire a branch Pastor then that Pastor was simply recruited to serve the business interest of the GO and not God. This is because a Pastor called by God should not in all honesty be sacked by any intervening man

If I were you I will surely review at this time my worth in this business as against man made enslavement as an employee of an establishment as such. On my honour, I will RESIGN and rather be an usher in a Ministry with some decorum and less controversies

Nigerians will never learn. I was shocked to know that the Churches of His Holiness, Rev King Ezugo and Pastor Eddy N'OguOkeke have remained till today with people still visiting in search of miracles

Last year a Stampede in a town in Anambra killed over 70 miracle seekers, that of another miracle center in Enugu has repeatedly killed people. Yet people continue to troop to these places and yet problems NEVER end

Where God decides to stop as far as miracle is concerned is where miracles end anyother performance by any Pastor to complement that, is just a show aimed at creating his own brand and making some Benjamins out of the hypnotized

A God-fearing man detests all forms of wicked acts. For purview of Wicked acts look up in your Holy Book the Bible New Testament especially.

Op. You have completely missed the point.

I am not doubting God's ability to cause the re-growth of an amputated leg but here is the challenge.

When God has not decided to re- grow one, artist who preferred to be called Pastors go ahead and create a scene depicting such a miracle through thoroughly edited video presentations.

Most times with the intention of forcing God to take glory from lies apparently but the real intention is to create a brand around their names and make a top grossing business out of their miracle Superstar Status
Fortunately, not all Pastors are involved in this show of shame

Can Somebody tell Goons Gombs to stop flooding this thread with USELESS GRAPHICS,


We are not JOKING here. This is a serious issue any Christian should be concerned about

Gombs:


i know what you mean!...but, This thread will die faster than it came up... you doubt?

GOMBs this thread is not gonna die.


It will be ONLINE for so long a time may possibly outlive Loveworlds should they continue with staged miracles to fetch God glory and fetch more fame for themselves. The very thing that puts Christianity ti disrepute

Victims then will come here to see they were fore-warned years ago and as such they will have some consolation

Boss13:
Joagbaje you owe N500,000 to SirJohn. Kindly remit the money to him please. You can go on deceiving people, but I am so sure in afterlife your situation will be terrible. I no curse you - it is law of Karma (you sow what you reap), you cannot escape it. We determine our own fate.

I don't think the money should be as important to Sir John as the exposition going on here. How can Nollywood stars and Pastors be competiting for who gives the better stage act. It is more disheartening to know that some big Pastors who have carved a niche for themselves, a brand so to say are part of this fetching glory for God dubiously, at a larger scale


Many years ago an uncle told me times without number that many of these Pastors who were consistently involved in some form of dishonest practices in Christianity will be exposed. He specifically mentioned Oyakhilome and TB Joshua. Then an undergraduate, I was a fan of the former and used to think my uncle was forming over sabi because he could look at those miracles and say can't we have a better thing to watch on this Television

Joagbaje:
MY FULL RESPONSE

Hmmm

That response raises a lot of questions.Lab people in the house will soon analyse it if all this Jeff go here go there, Bayelsa, Owerri, Delta, are all consistent with the procedure for a simple HIV test results
Meanwhile, I can spot a lot of inconsistencies in that response above maybe it was just the way Pastor Agbaje itemized his points. It still didn't extricate the fact of some calculated attempt to misrepresent issues surrounding an unverified miracle


Assuming, Sir John didn't go out to investigate this, it will still stand online as one of miracles in the archives of the Loveworld

And assuming, Mr Jeff was dead by not necessary HIV related illness that is if at all he was ever HIV positive, it will still be archived as a healing simply because the subject is gone and investigations will be impossible

We have to be careful in fetching this type of Glory for God
Then Gombs you are a pathetic Fanatic. Doesn't your conscience prick you for once.

Boss13:
GO TO HELL YOU BLOODY GOAT. YOU LIAR. YOU ARE NO MAN OF GOD. YOU ARE A PIG, A LIAR.

Mbanu! Keep your cool Boss13. He has some explanations ongoing
Pls remove the above I will unquote

Joagbaje:
But I want to clearly state that there's no fraud nor fraudulent intention . The video was posted for Gods glory

SO WHAT WENT WRONG. . . .?

That's the problem with many Pastors inventing all sorts to give God glory. Must we package lies to give God Glory?
Nobody should try to move faster that God. When God decides to keep silence for a while can Pastors respect that and humbly refer these sick to the Hospitals while prayers can continue there. It doesn't in anyway diminish the Pastor. God does his miracles the way He wants and the time he wants it perfected

Joagbaje:
Firstly I humbly apologise for any misrepresentation

Thank God.
This is what your mentor will never do. How I wish Pastor Chris will apologize to his wife for the dehumanizing treatments

ADVICE TO MY BROTHER J.O AGBAJE

Pastor J.O can you humbly open a thread to apologize for uploading such a video and sticking your neck for such a dubious miracle. To err is human
Who knows how many other unverified miracles you may have claimed in your resume in the course of your ministration at Yenogua. May I advise you to pick miracles from the Bible, From Matthew through Acts have plenty of them. Any member of your Church not satisfied with those should find another miracle center, they abound in Bayelsa instead of dragging you into lying testimonies.
I also want to let you know that you cannot outsmart your mentor Rev. Oyakhilome and his international media team . He uses high calibre, expensive videoing and editing tools that does its best to hide and minimize loopholes, the same with his counterpart that hosts God is Still Saying Something Prophecy. Some of those videoing tools costs as much as $6million . Can you afford those?

Waiting to address the fanatics who will come to the defense of schemers with phrases like
1. How dare you write against God's anointed
2. Touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm
3. The Church is matching on, our cell units recorded new members
4. He was healed, the disease came back because he had no faith to maintain it.
5. Everything our Pastor-President says is law whether it has scriptural backing or not because he is a miracle superstar
And to all Con men who have continued to complement where God decided to stop with various healing tricks harnessed through video editing technologies, REPENT and HUMBLY admit your limitations as a man, HELP foot the hospital bills as compensation to those whose conditions became worse soon after the faked healing

Unique3:
It seems

your grouse with these MOGs is simply that they attained world wide fame, which to you is sin. If you, the judge and jury over the souls of men can spew this level of ignorance, equating fame with evil,please stop forming ITK, with your uninformed and judgmental views. I don't do e-fight Have a blessed day.

All your seems are what it seemed not

Fanatics are the group that destroy men of God because even when MOGs are deviating, fans keep shouting ride on pastor we love you!

Oyedepo,Oyakhilome and some others are churning out teachings that when I listen to them these days I ask where do they get these things from, the Bible? I don't worship any man of God it doesn't matter his popularity and much less when twisting of the Bible is concerned. In that case, I not only avoid such MOG but also advise friends and family to keep off such places. I also pray they will uphold the truth and to have people around who will not be afraid to tell them obvious deviations from Bible in their teachings
The reason is simple, the Bible warns that at the end times False Preachers, Prophets, Christs will arise and will deceive many even the elect will be at risk.
Remain blessed and dwell in the truth

@Zaigs. I don't judge mog. If I Judge them how do I sentence them, to heaven or hell. So check the meaning of judgement from your dictionary. What I say to one I say to all, do not contribute to destroying your pastor through your worship and fanatical following. And to men of God, teach the bible don't add your own thoughts, eschew arrogance and have the humility to admit the errors whenever they are identified
God is a jealous Lord who will not share his glory with any man

Unique3:
And who made you also the judge over God's servant(s)? At least try manage your diarrhea mouth, even as you obviously have nothing to impact your own world

Stop cursing Read your Bible Find the truth for yourself crossmatch it with the things you were fed with, Remember the Berean Brethren in Acts. This is the end times do not worship any man even if he comes today claiming to be eating from the same plate with God or sent to the world from Heaven. Many false Christs shall arise at this time
No man no matter the worldwide following he may have accrued should arrogate himself the position of God under whatever guise.
God is nobody's age-mate. Oyedepo, Oyakhilomeand co. should please take noteand make amendment where necessary

nora544:
“As for the man himself- like any enemy of the faith that breathes their last, we ought to be both saddened and heartened by this news. Saddened... We can only pray that all parties repented of their sins before they perished and will join us in paradise. I want nothing more than for this to be the case.

Heartened? Because relating specifically to Myles Munroe, a man who was peddling theological and spiritual poison is no longer a direct threat to the Christian Church.” He cannot preach any more of his heresy. He cannot bind Christ to the Almighty dollar bill and tie the gospel narrative to the riches and filthy lucre that he promised you had coming to you if only you became a Christian and gave him your seed offering. His reach has withered already, and will continue to diminish as time passes. It’s all fading to black.

By all accounts, ironically, the plane he perished in was his own private Lear plane, the fruits of his fleecings and an instrument of destruction in the hands of the Almighty God- the Judge of all the earth who will do right.

I believe inspirational talking +'making rich through teachings of sowing seed as you never sowed before' - Papa Oyedepo's Shiloh quotes + plus earth centred motivating talks of Oyakhilome + others can be separated from Church and they will still make it as just Motivational speakers
A situation where these men twist bible and present it as though they are God speaking to men, are the things that make God allow situations that proves and overproves them mere mortal to come their way so that other mortals will learn that God is nobody's genie or Aladdin's lamp
That aside Myles Munroe was a great motivational lecturer that should be mourned by all who came across him