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sucre2:
Can you define exceptional Muslim ?

They are exceptional because they chose to be friendly towards Christians even though their religion forbids them from doing so as stated in the koran:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

etibaba:
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The Panda is 3 places diagonally from the snowman in a Top Hat.

In Riley Freeman's voice: "Nigga you're gay."

Orjioorji:
except they accept Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour, if not they are still potential terrorist and will still come back to burn the same church you think they were protecting .

Thank you speaking the truth Brother and don't let the ranting of the ignorant ones to silence your voice.

The truth is that the muslims in this story are exceptional muslims. They chose decency over their own religion which tells them to despise and hate Christians. The koran even says that Christians are unbelievers:

koran 5:72 - "Unbelievers are those that say:'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary." and

koran 5:73 - "Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.'"

Nawa4nl:
[size=14pt]God & Allah are different, here are some of the differences[/size]

1] God cannot Lie but allah is the greatest deceiver
Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie

Surah 3:54
Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers


2] God heals the blind & infirm, but allah cannot heal them so hates them
Jesus Heals

Matthew 15:
29] And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee;
and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.

30] And great multitudes came unto him, having with them
those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet;
and HE HEALED THEM


allah cannot heals so hates them
SURA 8:22
Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb,

SURA 2:17-18
Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness,
where they cannot see, Deaf, dumb and blind.


3] God commands you love your wife, allah commands you beat your wife

Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES, even as Christ also loved the church,
and gave himself for it;



Colossians 3:19
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
and
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.


ALLAH TELLS MUSLIMS TO BEAT THEIR WIVES

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,


Qur'an (4:34) -
"Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;

[size=14pt]NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE IS THAT JESUS SAVES, BUT ALLAH CANNOT[/size]

Whoever believes in Jesus is SAVED

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.

18 HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED:
BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY,
BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.


ALLAH CANNOT SAVE MOHAMMED OR MUSLIMS, SO HOW CAN ALLAH SAVE YOU?

Sura 46:9 "
NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU(MUSLIMS).


I can continue but I hope you can see that God is not allah

Thank you for standing up for the truth. These are exceptional muslims. They chose decency over their own religion which tells them to despise and hate Christians. The koran even says that Christians are unbelievers:

koran 5:72 - "Unbelievers are those that say:'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary." and

koran 5:73 - "Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.'"

These are exceptional muslims. They chose decency over their own religion which tells them to despise and hate Christians. The koran even says that Christians are unbelievers:

koran 5:72 - "Unbelievers are those that say:'God is the Messiah, the son of Mary." and

koran 5:73 - "Unbelievers are those that say: 'God is one of three.'"

yjgm:
I can see how dump one is. So it is a secluded religion and you don't need others to join or invite them to your faith?. You couldn't put up a convincing argument and present it with facts. Why do they always run away from a superior argument?. Go and learn your bible very well and come back to me.
Believe this, am very much at home with the Christians. I have them surrounding me. And I love them.
On terrorism and the killings, please go and learn more. People only define terrorism to suit their own position on it. The Americans holding gun and killing innocent people on the streets is not terrorism. Hiroshima is another good example of terrorism. And the conspiracy between the Americans, Israelis and the west to foster them on the Palestinians after nearly being wiped out by Hitler during the holocaust thereby causing this unending conflict between the Arabs and the Israelis. And the Israelis killing women and children that can't harm anything as acknowledged by even the united nations isn't terrorism?. Go and learn the true meaning of the word and them come back.
And my brother, believe this also. I don't support certain things the so-called Muslims do. It is in aberration to the teachings of the religion. 'self defense isn't murder'.
World politics is at play. The middle east crisis and the rest comes to mind on how they created the crisis just to get what they want. That is why giants like Russia and China always take a different angle when dealing with such issues. They don't call the Muslims terrorists because they are a match to any other country and so see things as it is and won't be cowed in accepting that.

In response to the second leg, you mentioned China as a country that respects the rights of muslims. Wow, you are really ignorant. Is it not the same China who outrightly refused to accept Syrian refugees? Is this the same China who banned the observance of Ramadan in their country because incidents of terrorism always rise during Ramadan? It seems you don't even know that the whole world regards Islam with suspicion because of your propensity for violence and extremity.
Islamic violence is rooted in the extreme intolerance exhibited in unholy koran.

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers."  Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs.  It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend that they be taken as friends by Muslims.  In fact, the Qur'an plainly orders believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."  Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."  This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit.  Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."  This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but suggests that that the rest of the world is out to get them and can't be trusted.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"  Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam.  (There are harsher interpretations of this verse.  The same (ninth) sura advocates "slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them".

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire."  Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers"  Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see 22:19-22.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray"  This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day.  "Those who earn Thine anger" refers to Jews; "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

yjgm:
I can see how dump one is. So it is a secluded religion and you don't need others to join or invite them to your faith?. You couldn't put up a convincing argument and present it with facts. Why do they always run away from a superior argument?. Go and learn your bible very well and come back to me.
Believe this, am very much at home with the Christians. I have them surrounding me. And I love them.
On terrorism and the killings, please go and learn more. People only define terrorism to suit their own position on it. The Americans holding gun and killing innocent people on the streets is not terrorism. Hiroshima is another good example of terrorism. And the conspiracy between the Americans, Israelis and the west to foster them on the Palestinians after nearly being wiped out by Hitler during the holocaust thereby causing this unending conflict between the Arabs and the Israelis. And the Israelis killing women and children that can't harm anything as acknowledged by even the united nations isn't terrorism?. Go and learn the true meaning of the word and them come back.
And my brother, believe this also. I don't support certain things the so-called Muslims do. It is in aberration to the teachings of the religion. 'self defense isn't murder'.
World politics is at play. The middle east crisis and the rest comes to mind on how they created the crisis just to get what they want. That is why giants like Russia and China always take a different angle when dealing with such issues. They don't call the Muslims terrorists because they are a match to any other country and so see things as it is and won't be cowed in accepting that.

In response to the first leg of your epistle, here is Biblical proof of the concept of the Blessed Trinity:

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

2 Corinthians 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen.

Matthew 3:16-17 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:  

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 5:7-8 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.   (Read More...)

John 14:16-17 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;  

Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Philippians 2:5-8 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:  

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

John 1:1-51 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  

1 Peter 1:2 - Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Ephesians 4:4-6 - [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;  

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 - Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God;  

John 10:30-36 - I and [my] Father are one.  

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Let me emphasise that Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God. That is the root of all the misunderstanding between our two religions. Let that sink into your mind.

KingTom:
You just don't get it do you. Your brain is obviously a very dull brick no matter how hard we try to input sensible logic in. It just keeps on deflecting it away . Merry Christmas

Are you really this stup.id or are you trying to annoy me? Where is the "logic" in anything you've said? And where is the lack of logic in my position? I'd like to believe yours is nothing more malignant than a case of political correctness gone hopelessly wrong. But no, given the bovine way your brain works, I doubt if this is the case.
Both The Archbishop of the Anglican Communion and The Pope in their Christmas Addresses raised the alarm that Christianity is about to be wiped out in the Middle-East. Guess who is doing the wiping out? Is that not what qualifies as persecution? You never looked at it that way did you? I actully feel sorry for you. It's hard to feel anything else for someone with your predicament. Having to wake up as yourself everyday is your worst punishment.

Never knew she had a razz name like afusat. So she's even a muslim?

[quote author=yjgm post=41338955]I would have if not for the fact that Isaiah 1:18 said 'let us reason together'. So in following the bible scripture, I want us to reason together.[/quote

That scripture was directed at Christians. A Christian can only reason about scripture with a fellow believer, not a heretic or blasphemer. I tried logic with you but you professed your ignorance and claimed that the simple explanation I gave on the concept of the Trinity was "confusing". Not really surprised that someone who practices a "Religion of Peace" which is also the biggest supplier of terrorism and violence would be familiar with confusion.

yjgm:
I still don't get this concept of trinity. 3 in 1 right?. The father=the son=the holy spirit. Its confusing. The father is sharing who created the son via divine intervention and also the holy spirit is now sitting in one of the 3 chairs of the throne and is also equal to his creations.
Who controls this and that? Who's responsible for other things?. The son is the same as the father and also the holy spirit.
So confusing.

If you don't understand then you are a victim of your own lack of basic intelligence. Christians understand the concept of the Trinity perfectly because it is one of the foundational doctrines of our faith. You can stick with Mohammed and islam and leave Chrstian doctrine for us Christians.

yjgm:
It is the same Jesus (A.S) ibn Mary that the Qur'an mentioned. In fact if you don't know, the Muslims adore and love Jesus A.S. We have never rejected him. Instead we see him as a messenger of God that came just like Ishmael and others to prophesies the words of God the Almighty. And same people that misconstrued his preaching and plotted his demise are same people saying they love him more.
You still haven't answered my poser base on the trinity.
Explain it to me. And tell me where Jesus A.S said you should equate him with the Almighty one.

The Trinity is a doctrine which is inferred from Scripture.It is a simple way for Christians to reconcile the Divine attributes of Christ with those of his Father and the works of the Holy Spirit.
At first God spoke to us directly. This is obvious from the Old Testament where God deals with the children of Israel by himself and by the use of Judges and Prophets. After this God spoke through His Son Jesus and before Jesus ascended to Heaven he promised the Early Church fathers that he would send a Comforter call the "Holy Spirit" to minister unto them and guide them, and this promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost. And that is the origin of the trinity, it is a shorthand way of acknowledging that our knowledge of scripture was given to us by The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Simple.
As I said earlier the jesus of the koran is a false and fictitious character and Christians do not recognise him as our own Jesus.

yjgm:
In that case, I think as a Muslim, am more christian than you are. because I believe in Jesus Christ (A.S). Whenever his name is mentioned, we Muslim ascribe the 'A.S' to it. Meaning alayyi salam. That is, peace be unto him. There are so many things we do believe concerning Jesus Christ (A.S).
His miraculous birth, his miracles etc.
But the biggest blip in our differences is the trinity.

Jesus has nothing to do with Islam. The Jesus in the koran is a work of fiction invented by muslims. He is not the same person as the Biblical Jesus and he carries no moral or spiritual authority over Christians. The Bible specifically warned that there would be counterfeit versions of Jesus and Christians have been admonished for accepting any version of Jesus outside the Bible:
2 Corinthians 11:4
"if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough."
The koranic jesus is a false prophet plain and simple.

KingTom:
You're really a dingbat. It is you who is living in ignorance I'm thankful the guy who gave the gifts isn't as shallow minded as you. Simpleton!! Left for crayfish brained frogs like you this world will be a warzone. Intolerant Cretin.

A sub-evolved pre logical hominid like you is destined to be the victim of his own st.upidity eventually. You're so du.mb you can't even see that this has nothing to do with tolerance but everything to do with Christian doctrine. Let me task your meagre mental resources with these simple questions: What is the essence of giving a Christian gift to someone whose faith tells him that Christianity is founded on a lie? (the koran says that those who call Jesus the Son of God are guilty of a "monstrous falsehood" Does tolerance mean that one should compromise with the core tenet of Christian faith?
Ultimately God will judge you. Choose basic intelligence over sentiment and dig your head out of your rectum.

Child-birth ages women. It takes a toll on a woman's youthful figure. When a woman has a number of children over a number of years, her original figure 8 will become a figure 0.
The cares and worries of raising children,waking up early in the morning to cook for the family, shopping for the families needs will create additional stress thereby further speeding up the aging process.Mothers sacrifice themselves for the well being of their families and that is where their true beauty lies.
That is why most Churches observe Mothers Day to remind us that we should always celebrate our mothers.

KingTom:
walahi the boy is just a Mumu

So enlighten me as to the significance of the gifts you f.ool. Is the hamper anything more than a Christmas gift? You can continue living in ignorance if you wish.

Go and change your name to a more culturally and spiritually acceptable one Ogbeni Lesbianboy. After you've done that you can come back to Nairaland and wish everyone a Merry Christmas without causing controversy.

Deivid10:
Everything in it not worth up to 4k, but "giving with love" can hardly go wrong..... O Lord my God, please anoint our Nigerian ladies with even such a "common-sense-spirit" of giving.
Amen!

This is wrong. As a Christian, I am commanded to love everyone including muslims. But a line has to be drawn somewhere when it comes to islam's blasphemous attitude towards the message of Christ. As a Christian I can never send a Christmas gift to someone whose Religion denies the essence of Christ as my Saviour and the only begotten Son of the only true God. How can someone who cannot appreciate Christ appreciate the Spirit of Christmas?
I can send a muslim gifts on his birthday or wedding day but when it comes to gifts of a religious nature I do not think I can give such because the spiritual significance of a Christmas or Easter gift is completely lost to him. In the same regard I cannot accept any gift of a religious nature from anyone who is not a Christian.

Aminat508:
Woah Nice one!!!

We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves

This is wrong. As a Christian, I am commanded to love everyone including muslims. But a line has to be drawn somewhere when it comes to islam's blasphemous attitude towards the message of Christ. As a Christian I can never send a Christmas gift to someone whose Religion denies the essence of Christ as my Saviour and the only begotten Son of the only true God. How can someone who cannot appreciate Christ appreciate the Spirit of Christmas?
I can send a muslim gifts on his birthday or wedding day but when it comes to gifts of a religious nature I do not think I can give such because the spiritual significance of a Christmas or Easter gift is completely lost to him. In the same regard I cannot accept any gift of a religious nature from anyone who is not a Christian.

This is wrong. As a Christian, I am commanded to love everyone including muslims. But a line has to be drawn somewhere when it comes to islam's blasphemous attitude towards the message of Christ. As a Christian I can never send a Christmas gift to someone whose Religion denies the essence of Christ as my Saviour and the only begotten Son of the only true God. How can someone who cannot appreciate Christ appreciate the Spirit of Christmas?
I can send a muslim gifts on his birthday or wedding day but when it comes to gifts of a religious nature I do not think I can give such because the spiritual significance of a Christmas or Easter gift is completely lost to him. In the same regard I cannot accept any gift of a religious nature from anyone who is not a Christian.

Wanders past...pauses....checks story....checks names...suspicion confirmed....wanders on...

And dem talk say oil na the only ting Naija dey export. Dem no know say we dey export Magun and dat Magun fit give us more dollar dan oil

allanphash7:
BBC must be high on Mushin wet weed

They ain't got wet weed in Mushin. I looked high and low all over Mushin and I couldn't get none.

What's wrong with these Kenyans? They should be happy that the BBC did their man a favour by identifying him as a Nigerian. The BBC has helped to raise the poor man's profile on the international stage. Y'all should be thanking them instead of hating on them.

Nigerians are super razz and local human beings. What is wrong with kissing one's child on the mouth? A kiss does not have to be sexual in nature simply because it is planted on the mouth. If that was the case then all those mothers I see kissing their babies playfully on the lips are guilty of gross indecency. Thos who are making negative comments are only revealing the hidden evil in their souls.

Came..checked names...suspicion confirmed...left

So technically these are all northerners? Nice to see that there's more to the north than violent muslims, beggars and almajiris.

Cutehector:
R u serious? Tell me more lies!

More lies? Here are some blatant lies for you:
1. Cute Hector is the cutest man alive
2. Cute Hector is the smartest man alive
3. Cute Hector got swag more than any. other guy

There are many more lies but I'll save them for later.