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^^^^ It's all about the money . . . . . ta da da dam dam da dam dam . . . . . ![]() But why must giving always be related to money? Money is just one of the things that can be given; not the sole thing that can be given. |
1Jn 4:12 (12) No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. The above depicts christianity. 1Jn 4:20 (20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? True words above. Christianity is not about doing this or that so as to get this or that. Christianity is about loving one another(in deed and not just in words or facial expressions ).We are to love one another just as God loved us and still forever loves us. It is not about some life ritual of fulfilling this or that; but earnestly living a life of unconditional love for one another. 1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 1Jn 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. Giving as recognized by God is that which we do towards meeting the needs of those who are in need. That is a true sign of love for others. Giving based on ceremony or anything else other than meeting needs or with the basis of what one hopes to receive in return is not a sign of true love. |
viaro:My conclusions are not based on just that one quote he made. It is a combination of everything he's been saying and I have seen that even before his final quote. He just sealed what i felt about him with that quote. |
Joagbaje:Which essentially reveals you and your lot for what you are - You don't give because you care about others or love others. You give so as to increase your kitty and ensure your own satisfaction (investing in lucrative businesses to get a windfall of dividends )You guys don't rep christianity at all when scrutinized properly. If you read the word of God and can't come to the conclusion that your relationship with other human beings show the truth of your proclaimed love for God, then you are completely lost. All over the scripture, God has shown that we show or demonstrate our love and faithfulness to him by how we relate to and treat our fellow human beings. |
leahsarahk:leahsarahk, The only thing i can tell you is that everything which they told you guys to do are just stuff created by the people/pastors of that parish. They are not stuff which you need to do. You really ought to take time out and know what God is about and also Christianity. It does not involve practically 90% of the dross we see bandied about by churches these days;RCCG being one of them. |
I will be on my bed getting set to sleep and wake up on a new day that has a label of 2010 at its end. |
Luk 6:38 (38) If you give to others, you will be given a full amount in return. It will be packed down, shaken together, and spilling over into your lap. The way you treat others is the way you will be treated. The words in bold is the whole point of Luke 6:38 and the few verses before it which deal with the way we relate with other people around us. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fabled formular of giving to the church or pastor in the hope of expecting a mighty return in investments. |
But what you said earlier made it look like God could never do any thing like destruction or disasters; that if such did happen, it must be the devil's doing. The truth is, everything that happens is by God and for God. He is in total control; not the wimpy god people make him out to be when they make it look like things are out of his control. Evil is a creation of God and it does happen when God deems it necessary. Isa 45:7 kjv (7) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isa 45:7 cev (7) I create light and darkness, happiness and sorrow. I, the LORD, do all of this. Isa 45:7 bbe (7) I am the giver of light and the maker of the dark; causing blessing, and sending troubles; I am the Lord, who does all these things. The word for evil,sorrow and troubles as transliterated by the three bible versions above is: רע or[b] ra‛[/b] in hebrew. It is this same word that is used for evil in every other part of the bible written in hebrew. |
Amos 3:6 kjv (6) Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Amos 3:6 cev (6) Isn't the whole city frightened when the trumpet signals an attack? Isn't it the LORD who brings disaster on a city? Amo 3:6 bbe (6) If the horn is sounded in the town will the people not be full of fear? will evil come on a town if the Lord has not done it? God is responsible for everything we see or experience. The sooner we realize and accept this fact, the easier it is for us. The devil is just a perfectly functioning creation of God. |
[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=370822.msg5178599#msg5178599 date=1261654683]Sometimes i really wonder if your posts were written out of hunger or something. i mean u were even rephrasing my points here. making me feel you're learning faster already. [/quote]Which still emphasizes the point i was making above.All the stuff u wrote have been expressly communicated by Kunle. You couldn't see that cos u feel he is against anything money/wealth. You just rehashed everything he said but with the twist included to make it look like he didn't. That's horribly low. Even for u. |
[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=370822.msg5178481#msg5178481 date=1261653559]Both of you are very correct ![]() Its funny how Tonye-t focused only on the money part and nothing else.[/quote]^^^^ heheheheh ![]() Tonye-T, it's very plain to see that u can't decipher points being driven and that is because of ur bias against Kunle. How come u could not see from his posts that he was not condemning wealth or money possession but the desire and greed for it which is evident in the teachings of most prosperity peddlers? ![]() |
[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg5172316#msg5172316 date=1261572422] - Yeah no one can buy God's blessings, but Jesus told us [u] GIVE AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN TO YOU [/U] [/quote]Do unto others as you would want them to do to/towards you. That is basically what the "give and it shall be given to you" is talking about when read in proper context. |
Now I'm in . . . . Deep Sight:No, he is God the Son. Now I'm out . . . . . |
noetic15:noetic, where are the bible verses to support ur claim above? |
Bimbo Odukoya is neither in heaven or in hell. She no longer exists any more cos she's dead. Her spirit which emanated from God has returned to God while her body has returned to the earth. On the last day; time of Christ's return, she will be regenerated(resurrected) to life. When this happens, it would be(to her) like she was in a very long sleep and had just woken up. That is when we can start talking about heaven or hell. Ecc 12:7 (7) So our bodies return to the earth, and the life-giving breath returns to God. Ecc 9:5 (5) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. |
Practically all the people behind the AIG(answers in Genesis) site where Olaadegbu draws his inspiration from are fraudsters in respect of their exhibited educational credentials. Their credibility has been destroyed by people who had the time to check them out. Most of the degrees and doctorates in relation to science oriented courses are either honorary(not earned) or from schools that are not recognized as schools. |
kola oloye:Kola, you ought to know better than this. The passage you quoted did not have any thing to do with giving money to Pastors. The passage read within its context of use was talking about the attitude Christians should have towards others/other people in which having a giving attitude is one of them. This giving was never specifically giving of money but giving of different kind of things in accordance to needs of people around you. Such giving could be giving of money, food, time, love, respect, friendship, advice, help, etc. but all in accordance to need. I don't know how people rearranged the meaning to specifically money to pastors. ![]() |
Bam,bam,bam Kokodu, kokodudu, yo-yo-yo-yo-yo; there's a village on top of mountain; where the boys and girls hurrah; yo-yo-yo-yo-yo yo-yo-yo-yo-yo-yo- bam-bam-bam yo-yo-yo-yo-yo- huraaaaaaah, huraaaaaaaaah; yo-yo-yo-yo-yo ![]() We are the boys and girls of Be. . . . n school; we are the boys and girls of Be. . . . n school; we are the boys and girls of Be. . . . n school; And soooo we are very proud, we are very proud of the name of our school. |
mikeapollo:Er, . . .are u sure you are reading the same bible which Christians get their info from? ![]() |
leahsarahk:Everything kunleoshob has said so far is what u need to do. I understand about not wanting to continue with RCCG. I think I'm in support of not continuing with them cos u need time to build up ur personal faith in the word of God and to be firmly rooted in it. Once u're firmly rooted in the true message passed across by the word of God, u can be in any congregation and not be moved by anything but the truth. So, my advice is: take out time to firmly establish ur faith in the true message of God's word before u decide if u want to continue going with ur husband to RCCG(for peace's sake) or to continue with where u'll be getting the truth constantly reiterated. |
davidylan: ![]() Just to give u (david) some work to do. . . . . . . I wonder why dodo and fried eggs are a lovely combination. ![]() I guess I deserve bouncing david, where are u? |
Lying is a sin and we lie unconsciously everyday especially on phone. popular lies like : |
CrazyMan:The only thing I have to say here is in regard to the words in bold above; the ones with regard to Satan. Satan was never an angel of light nor an angel of God. Also, he never tried to overthrow God at any point in time. He was created a devil and has always been a devil. |
It's a good thing people are beginning to reason. Although the reasonings might not be perfect or there yet, there is sure hope for progress. The misinformation about hell has got to be unraveled and the truth be told. ![]() |
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njcdrich:Who does your pastor think he is? ![]() You had better continue with your work and disregard the nonsense which your stupid pastor is telling you. ![]() Pastoral assignment indeed ! ! ![]() |
scottN:As i said earlier, such stuff is simply the trickery on emotions of people. Ghosts, wandering spirits do exist in the minds of people but are not reality; they are simply virtual stuff projected based on the emotions of those involved. |
scottN:I have no understanding or idea about wandering spirits. All i can say that if such do exist, it is as a result of trickery of the devil and his cohorts. I guess this idea of wandering spirits is a play on the emotions of people who believe such stuff. |
Godmother:The spirit goes back to God: Ecclesiastes 12:7 7. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Also, the soul does not go to hell or heaven when the person dies; it simply ceases to exist at that point in time; it loses all form of conciousness. The hell or heaven concept can only come into play when the judgement period comes up; and that is after Christ's return when everybody; both the living and the dead will face judgement. |
As usual, Tonye-t shows his display of superiority in letting the world know what it already knew that the bible was not written in english. Balderdash! Like who doesn't know that fact! |
[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4872385#msg4872385 date=1257505162]Ttalks, your post is not making any sense anymore. did you read my post on the modes of offerings? maybe if you can pls do, you'll get to find out the differences btw what church members contributes and what men of God are meant to have as directed to timothy by Apostle Paul.[/quote]Tonye-t, I too also specifically responded in a post of mine that there is no difference in giving/offerings. Giving is a general term that covers provisions to meet needs as they arise. Pastors and their brethren both deserve the help or giving of others to meet needs when they come up; but this is subject to the willingness and ability of the givers and not on the basis of any mandatory aunction. |
Viaro, I see everything you've written. You definitely will have your own opinion about what you have done; others definitely will have theirs. At the end of the day, it is usually what people say about you and not what you say about yourself that counts in the eyes of the public. A person that doesn't take what people say or conclude about them into consideration is walking on thin ice. Just recall what i said earlier on as you put in more effort towards the topic at hand: ttalks:I leave it at that. |



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