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bayelsaowei:
..my brother dont lie just to latch on to the Mary image ish oo...

So almost everyday fellow catholics come reciting the mantra of holy ubenedictus pray for us.....

Please say the truth...

you ask I question I answered u, now you paint it well and insinuate that I am lying. abeg shift if you have nothing to say. catholics ask each other for intercession if you aren't happy go and sleep.

hrhobi1:
John 3 :16. Answers to all

that passage isn't even relevant to the topic.

Butterworth:
You've never seen a Catholic with an Idol

Here is one

I just saw people kneeling in front of an image, I can also post pictures of Israelites kneeling in front of images and Protestants in front of bibles that doesn't make any of those thing idols.


I again maintain that I have never seen a catholic before images. hope you know that not every image is an idol.

Omoluabi16:
Lol. catholics can deny Jesus just to defend their church.

I will always Look unto Jesus, who is the author and finisher of my faith. John 14:6 says HE is the way, the truth and the life. Phil 1:21 says to live is CHRIST.
me I no understand any other saint or any other thing

oya read up and learn what you previously didn't understand.

bayelsaowei:
please ubenedictus and yourself why the whole Catholic Church does not recite "holy benedictus or holy logicstatement please pray for us" ..why Mary in particular..? ?..why have an image of an imaginary Mary and then bow before it to pray through it??

Wait first... did Mary beg any of you to ask her to intercede for you

actually people come to me saying "pray for me ubenedictus" am sure same thing with logicstatement it is very common to ask for intercession and be asked for intercession, we ask the whole church for intercession including Peter Paul Mary etc.

italo:
So you're saying a Christian cannot pray for God to forgive another person's sins?

Hmm...this is a new heresy. Ubenedictus, did the Arian heresy go this far?

it's a new brand that adds all previous heresies and surpassed them.

SalC:
Oga Ubenedictus don come this morning o.

Well i don't know for sure but i believe the church does since i am yet to hear of a case where one's sainthood was reversed.

hmmm

Splinz:
Unfortunately for you and your band of travelers, the Inquisition and Crusades set up by the Synagogue of Satan that called itself the Catholic church, couldn't and can never prevail over the true Church of God.

It's only a matter of time- a fulfilment of prophecy, Babylon where you are- a cage of every foul spirit, will be destroyed alongside her ruler, Satan.

So, worship your big & small idols while it last.

It is even more pitiable you seem to imply that true christianity began in the 16th century. No wonder you are not aware you believe a modern day heresy. The Bible did prophesy delusion

Question.

Does the church use infallibility when she declares someone a saint?

italo:
I didnt know you were Satan's Minister of Apparitions.

epic, just epic

ejifranks:
Happy Sunday all. May the grace of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ be with you all.

There are a lot of great christian hymns and songs which defines the Christian way of life,the beliefs and d ultimate reason and destination for following Jesus and staying in tune with God through life's sojourn.

Which Christian hymn or song do you think clearly represents and captures the total essence and foundation of our Christian faith. Please share. For me I choose this

"In Christ Alone"

In Christ alone my hope is found,
He is my light, my strength, my song;
this Cornerstone, this solid Ground,
firm through the fiercest drought and storm.
What heights of love, what depths of peace,
when fears are stilled, when strivings cease!
My Comforter, my All in All,
here in the love of Christ I stand.

In Christ alone! who took on flesh
Fulness of God in helpless babe!
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones he came to save:
Till on that cross as Jesus died,
The wrath of God was satisfied -
For every sin on Him was laid;
Here in the death of Christ I live.

There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain:
Then bursting forth in glorious Day
Up from the grave he rose again!
And as He stands in victory
Sin's curse has lost its grip on me,
For I am His and He is mine -
Bought with the precious blood of Christ.

No guilt in life, no fear in death,
This is the power of Christ in me;
From life's first cry to final breath.
Jesus commands my destiny.
No power of hell, no scheme of man,
Can ever pluck me from His hand;
Till He returns or calls me home,
Here in the power of Christ I'l stand.


Thanks for sharing yours.

That hymn is pretty heavy and it's theology is seem like once saved always saved.

seunfape:
Can I say the news is fake or contradicting .okolo that speaks igbo is from Kano where you can only see people that are Muslim. Good but confused news .

There are also catholics in kano.

orisa37:
Which one is Apostolic nonsense? Father forgive them for they don't know what they do..

It means he is a representative of the apostolic see.
Wisdom is profitable to direct, learn before giving snide commentary.

tiwasiaife:
what they do in episcopate is consecration and installation.

The episcopate is a distinct order in the catholic church, the church has tripple orders, d diaconate, priesthood and episcopate.

the consecration of bishops confers the grace of that order.

Splinz:
In case you don't know, Babylon is where you are- a den of demons. First of all pray against the demons you worshiped before praying for me.

Eya, believer in a later day heresy, i am not suprised, d bible told us abt the delusion in the later days.

Splinz:
Tales by moonlight. Come out of Babylon the great.

You are in babylon u just dont know it.

Ur heresies have put you in a deluded state. i'll pray for u.

tiwasiaife:
Ordination ends in priesthood.
pops is a rev fr. cardinal a rev fr. archbishop a rev fr. all these tittles are just an elevation new archbishop of Lagos alfred martins is not a cardinal.

ordination ends In episcopate not priesthood

Malawian:
The highest Order is still the Arch bishop. Both Pope and Cardinal are mere Titles. The Pope is just the Archbishop of Rome. Cardinal Alfred Martins is the Archbishop of Lagos. All Cardinals are Archbishops, all Popes are Archbishops.

orders end in Bishop i.e the episcopate. That is the plenitude if power and grace not archbishop. Archbishop isn't even a sacred order it is just juridical rank. One can be cardinal without been an archbishop.

From a sermon by Saint Peter Chrysologus, bishop


Each of us is called to be both a sacrifice to God and his priest

I appeal to you by the mercy of God. This appeal is made by Paul, or rather, it is made by God through Paul, because of God’s desire to be loved rather than feared, to be a father rather than a Lord. Listen now to what the Apostle urges us to do. I appeal to you, he says, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice. By this exhortation of his, Paul has raised all men to priestly status.

How marvellous is the priesthood of the Christian, for he is both the victim that is offered on his own behalf, and the priest who makes the offering. He does not need to go beyond himself to seek what he is to immolate to God: with himself and in himself he brings the sacrifice he is to offer God for himself. The victim remains and the priest remains, always one and the same. Immolated, the victim still lives: the priest who immolates cannot kill. Truly it is an amazing sacrifice in which a body is offered without being slain and blood is offered without being shed.

The Apostle says: I appeal to you by the mercy of God to present your bodies as a living sacrifice. Brethren, this sacrifice follows the pattern of Christ’s sacrifice by which he gave his body as a living immolation for the life of the world. He really made his body a living sacrifice, because, though slain, he continues to live. In such a victim death receives its ransom, but the victim remains alive. Death itself suffers the punishment. This is why death for the martyrs is actually a birth, and their end a beginning. Their execution is the door to life, and those who were thought to have been blotted out from the earth shine brilliantly in heaven.

Paul says: I appeal to you by the mercy of God to present your bodies as a sacrifice, living and holy. The prophet said the same thing: Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but you have prepared a body for me. Each of us is called to be both a sacrifice to God and his priest. Do not forfeit what divine authority confers on you. Put on the garment of holiness, gird yourself with the belt of chastity. Let Christ be your helmet, let the cross on your forehead be your unfailing protection. Your breastplate should be the knowledge of God that he himself has given you. Keep burning continually the sweet smelling incense of prayer. Take up the sword of the Spirit. Let your heart be an altar. Then, with full confidence in God, present your body for sacrifice. God desires not death, but faith; God thirsts not for blood, but for self-surrender; God is appeased not by slaughter, but by the offering of your free will.

kabasa77:
And where is it written that the dead should interceded for the living. I guess you don't read the Bible, read it and gain knowledge, I answered u by giving you Bible verses that point to Jesus and only Jesus as the mediator and intercessor for Christian having made a public show of principalities and powers and is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercessions for us..

And you think it makes sense to respond me with a question where you have failed to respond to mine abi?

When you have an answer to my question let me know.

Splinz:
Silly assumptions. Talking of heresies, where is the center if not your church?

the center is called protestantism you guys now have arians,gnostics,...plus your heresy of solar scriptura etc. Oya ask yourself why the writing of the early Christians and Jews till date ask the intercession of their rightous ones. You guys have departed from right practice, that is hey orthodoxy seem strange to you.







Come out of your heresy.

annunaki2:
And your prayer will fail

my prayer prevailed Lee pen lost

kabasa77:
Go and read your Bible, the Bible says it categorically that we have one intercessor and Mediator.. Jesus Christ.. Same Bible also says I am the way, the truth and the life, no one, I mean no one comes to the Father except by me, Jesus, not through the Saints or through Mary.. Bible is very clear on that

you didn't answer my question

Oya try again read the question and try to answer.

Splinz:
This has zero sense. Come up with something better. Diverting wouldn't change the fact that you're an idol worshiper just like the traditionalists do.

oh it seems you are among those ignorant of the fact that most biblical characters prayed before statues and yet you are here condemning it?

Why not? You are a follower of the last days heresy propagated by Luther and co.

Oya clap for yourself, if I am an idol worshippers like the biblical characters like Joshua and co...I am happy. Enjoy your new age heresy.

Splinz:
This has zero sense. Come up with something better. Diverting wouldn't change the fact that you're an idol worshiper just like the traditionalists do.

oh it seems you are among those ignorant of the fact that most biblical characters prayed before statues and yet you are here condemning it?

Why not? You are a follower of the last days heresy propagated by Luther and co.

Splinz:
Is this the best you can come up with in differentiating between you and a traditional worshiper? Okay well done, but that was a very lame attempt.

It must make you feel proud to call the old testament saints idol worshippers, Oya add Paul to that list.

Splinz:
Your traditions is inconsequential. While you uphold traditions, I uphold the scriptures alone.

anyone who hold scriptures alone abuses the scriptures which teach no such thing and reject such silly belief.

Splinz:
I do not know of a true Jew nor the early disciples that prayed to a saint in heaven for their intercessions. Not that there's any; but none.

And you are the decider of who and who are authentic Jews right?

Splinz:
You don't expect me to swallow such brutal twisting of the truths, do you? Your fellow traveler claims that Abraham and Jesus made intercessions for the people, and I asked: Which of the saints did they asked for this intercessions?

does that question even make sense to you?

Splinz:
Sorry bro if you feel insulted. I wish I could somehow sugar-coat this truth, but no. Kneeling/bowing before a statue of a so-called Mary or Jesus in an act of prayer is not different from what traditionalists do. Can you tell the difference between yours and theirs?

Joshua and all the old testament believers must all be idolaters since Splinz has decided that idolatry consists in kneeling or bowing before an image while saying a prayer before same.


Welldone you just made many rightous men candidate of hell.

Splinz:
Which of the departed faithfuls did Mary pray for their intercession while she was alive?

did you recently come into possession of a book containing all Mary did or is you sole aim simply to make an argument from silence which by the way is fallacious?

Oya all clap for the discerning mind who thinks he knows biblical practices better than both the Jews and the early Christians

Splinz:
I don't need to refute anything. His butchering of the truths is conspicuous to discerning minds except maybe you.