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analice107:
I hope you realize that the Church is not a building or a crowd? The church is an individual. The Church is a revelation an individual has about the Lordship of Jesus.

When the Holy Spirit was given, He came on individuals specifically. He indwells people, talks to people who come together to form an assembly. When you keep mentioning " Church" you make it sound as though it's an entity, it's not. The Gathering called the Catholic Church or Living Faith, does not have the Holy Spirit, people inside these places are the carriers of the Holy Spirit.

Jesu said, "When two or three people (who are the carriers of his presence) are gathered in his name, he is present with them", that is the Church.

The Cburch is a Greek word 'Ecclesia", meaning the "CALLED OUT ONES"

It is "the called out ONES" not one! that should clearly tell u the church is an group not an individual.

MZLady39:
Yes....what I said was that Christianity shouldn't have "rituals".....which was based on the secular definition.
I have partaken in Baptism...and quarterly partake in Communion/Footwashing.
I don't call them "rituals". I call them ordinances or services.
So based on the secular definition, the answer is "no".
I chose not to continue on in a debate...
Not that I believe in using that terminology.
Brother......let this thing go...ok?

You just want to dig a pit for urself wit this arguement over sematic. A ritual is a ritual whether u like the terminology or not. There is an old saying, if it looks like a duck, walks like one and quack like a duck... Then it is a duck. You cant say i don't like d work duck so i'll call it a bird when u clearly know d specie is a duck.

It sounds like that d goofy semantics i hear sometime -christianity is not a religion it is a way of life - i say balony.

analice107:
Dearest Italo.
I can see that only Catholics holds strongly to Peter being the Church referred to by Jesus in Matt 16:18, that is because of their Pope.

catholics do NOT belive that Peter is the church! the church is NOT an individual, that is a protestant lie! The church is d BODY OF CHRIST founded upon d apostles with peter as first, christians are MEMBERS OF D CHURCH, not individual churches.

Now this is what The Master meant there. Peter had a revelation of what and who Christ is, and The Master said, upon 'That' revelation He 'The Master shall build his Church and no gate of hell shall prevail against that revelation.

who then was given the 'keys of the kingdom'?

If you believe Peter was the Church, (which is still okay, because Peter was an individual light carrier), you must of necessity believe that Peter is satan.

peter is not the church but leader and member therein.

analice107:
See what i said about taking Scriptures out of context?

What was the issue at hand here? Circumcision.

Shd the Gentiles be circumcised before they are known and received as believers? This was a big issue, although Paul had the Holy Spirit's conviction, but becos he was particularly taking Timothy a Greek with him to Jerusalem, he needed to present the matter to others.
God cab accept you yet men can reject you.

Paul didn't leave taking matters to God and took them to Men. God hates it.

the bolded isnt wht happened. U NEED 2 READ WHT D BIBLE SAY NOW WAT U THINK
Act 15 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. 2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them,
they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

analice107:
Shd the Church hierarchy replace God? Men and their philosophies, Men and their Polarizing shd take preeminence in spiritual matters when the Author of the Gospel is available?

one of the problems of protestanism is the either\or mindset. It is God who said his church is d pillar and foundation of truth, he said when u have a case take it to d church. If you claim to really obey God then u will listen to his church who he promised to be with always even to the end of time! It seems u dont trust God to fulfil his promise.

Well, Christians take matters to God, those who follow the traditions of men, take their matters to men.

what did paul do when issue came up with d judaisers? Did he scream at them that he has already had a revelation or did he humbly go to jerusalem to settle d issue? That is d God approved way of settling issues not d way u protestants do it today where everyone claims 'd lord said to me...'.

onyenze123:
Well, all catholics are gonna rot in hell

***sips my harp bottle***

Yeah along with protestants and pentecostals and muslims and jews and all othe groups of people. nobody has a monopoly of hell.

An2elect2:
"Christian unity"
What has light to do with darkness?
What has Christ to do with idols?

You are lost.

The idol guys gave u d bible, why not tear out d new testament in ur bible since u have nothing to do with catholics

An2elect2:
No it's not. Catholics adopted pagan religions. It's no wonder like idolaters they must pray to/through a woman/goddess and "dead people". They have no scriptural backing, not even one, no where whether in the old or new.

They are apostates and the Bible has given clear warning to stay away from such

the famous apostates who compiled the bible.

ellbreziy:
Is it really in the bible to pray through Mary?!?

your questions and more were address here.
www.nairaland.com/3039912/why-catholics-pray-saints

Sacluxpaint:
You know the bible more than I do, but you prefer to believe the opposite of what is stated there, can you ever win a lost soul by telling the person hope of a purgatory instead of heaven? Or Christ died for him to be saved from ALL manners of punishment? I wonder how Catholics envagelize with their doctrines.

Actually it is a popular lie that protestant tell which says Christ died to save us from ALL punishment, it is a lie from the pits of hell.

Jesus died to save us from ETERNAL PUNISHMENTS, i.e hell fire, other temporal punishments like death, etc are still part and parcel of christian life.

1 Timothy 2:4
New International Version who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. New Living Translation
who wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth. English Standard Version
who desires all people to be saved and to
come to the knowledge of the truth.

As God desires the salvation of all peoples, it follows that Jesus died for all.

LIMITED ATONEMENT IS HERESY.

italo:
Sister, you're wrong, as usual. I read your comments and it didnt hurt my pride.

Here us part of what you said:



Then in another thread, you stood by your wrong opinion, saying:



Now, you're talking as if you were corrected and took correction.

You keep dancing dubiously from pillar to post because you are resisting the truth.

Which one is it?

Are there supposed to be rituals in Christianity or not?

Italo abeg let her breath...i believe she has corrected herself on d ritual issue. please dont tie her with it.

donnie:
Yes, especially if majority are catholics.

you just couldnt resist the temptation to hit out at those you don't accept. Weldone

Wilgrea7:
i read it... didn't see where it stated any yardstick to show who had the holy spirit and who didn't... care to share the verses?

the church establish by Christ is the very one endowed with his spirit, it is to her leaders that is granted the authority to discern and decided for the church and thus their decisions are considered binding this is why d council writes: "it seem good to the holy spirit and to us".

Wilgrea7:
that's my point... I'm sceptical about their claim of the “holy spirit".... i don't trust any denomination... there has to be a yardstick to confirm who really has the holy spirit cuz anyone can wake up and make such claims

The yard stick for differing opinions is acts 15

princechurchill:
I cease to concur with any papacy after the death of Galileo..

who killed galileo

MZLady39:
That's what I'm wondering Perhaps he just wasn't familiar with your posts.

perhaps.

itsloba:
History will have many tales. I believe the old testerment had been written and the its cannon completed even before the birth of Jesus Christ.

not exactly, the hebrew old testament canon was made about 100AD

And Catholic as a religion came into existence after the death of Jesus Christ not before as you stated earlier. The romans were pure pagan worshipers during the days of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the apostolic age(remember apostle pauls speech at Athens) and from what I've read, Constantine became a Christian convert and as a result of this, he looked for a way to unify the people of rome by proposing a single religion. Maybe you should send me a message on 07062923041.

where did i write the bold? constantine grant christians freedom but there were already catholics even before he was born.

OLAADEGBU:
The Vatican did more than that as you will discover in the thread below:

https://www.nairaland.com/2342685/prophet-how-islam-created/1#down

Ola spreading lies and hate as usual

itsloba:
By saying catholics are you refering to Constantine and the council of nicia?

There were catholics even b4 constantine and nicea

itsloba:
So what role/infuence did Constantine had on the roman catholic?

Constantine issued the edict of toleration for christians, which prevent them from been presecuted.

Angeleyez0811:
why bring religion into this matter when its not even necessary ur house was raided, what has that got to do with anything? a right thinking person should know who exactly is tryna divide the country along religious lines.

I pray your house will be the next to be ransacked.

rhektor:
Stop attributing Peter with your Catholicism, Peter is no Catholic. Stop this crap OK?

Oya kindly go back and read the thread from the begining. Maybe that will inform you of where we are.

Wilgrea7:
this has been answered on doctoralien's thread

what was answered in dat thread...?

first you need to tell me what the holy spirit is... if you believe the holy spirit is the spirit of God, then the Holy spirit should be able to teach anyone in a way that he/she would get the message and not misinterpret it


the holy spirit should be so distinguishable that nobody should ever mistake the holy spirit for their mere imagination... also, there should be a yardstick for who is hearing from their imagination or who is hearing from the holy spirit

If that is the case tell me why the so-called spirit-filled church still differ in doctrine, 30,000 differing denomination is proof that 'private inspiration' doesnt guarantee truth.

MZLady39:
Brother,
It's not about being a JW. It's so much bigger than that. One doesn't have to be a JW to understand the major implications here.
However, If you read Ubenedictus' threads & comments, it would be clear his denomination.

na wah, how can someone mistake my beliefs which i happily publicise?

easymancfc:
I know Sir.. but the fellow mentioned tertullian.. So I wanted to show him a tertullian quote.. Anyway.. before he fell into heresy he was quite insightful

true

easymancfc:
Indeed their writings seems to indicate a catholicity

Tertullian (c. 155 - 250 A.D.)
Likewise, in regard to days of fast, many do not think they should be present at the SACRIFICIAL prayers, because their fast would be broken if they were to receive THE BODY OF THE LORD … THE BODY OF THE LORD HAVING BEEN RECEIVED
AND RESERVED , each point is secured: both the participation IN THE SACRIFICE … ( Prayer 19:1 )
The flesh feeds on THE BODY AND BLOOD OF
CHRIST , so that the SOUL TOO may fatten on
God. ( Resurrection of the Dead 8:3 )
The Sacrament of the Eucharist, which the Lord
commanded to be taken at meal times and by
all, we take even before daybreak in
congregations… WE OFFER SACRIFICES FOR THE DEAD on their birthday anniversaries…. We take anxious care lest something of our Cup or Bread should fall upon the ground… (The Crown 3:3-4)

careful with tertullian...he sometimes play with heresy.

italo:
@ Ubenedictus, please what is Doctoralien saying about the Soul, and how does it tell us which protestant sect the early Christians belonged to, since he says they werent Catholic?

he believes there is no consciousness after death he thinks the soul dies, it is a 4th century heresy called thnetopsychism, which proposess that the soul dies, the heresy originated in arabia and was condemned there by a synod and also condemn by constantinople and finally by the 4th lateran council. The arabs who brought d heresy were not sabaterians or arians like dralien, so i will mr alien is actually combining many varied heresies.

DoctorAlien:
The Hebrew word translated “soul” in the Old Testament is nephesh, which simply means “a breathing creature.”Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words defines nephesh as “the essence of life, the act of breathing, taking breath … .(1985, p. 237-238, emphasis added).

I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT VINES COMPLETE EXPOSITORY IS NOW ONLINE?
THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS.
1: ψυχή
(Strong's #5590 — Noun Feminine — psuche — psoo-khay' ) denotes "the breath, the breath of life," then "the soul," in its various meanings. The NT uses "may be analyzed approximately as
follows:
(a) the natural life of the body, Matthew 2:20 ; Luke 12:22 ; Acts 20:10 ; Revelation 8:9 ; 12:11 ; cp. Leviticus 17:11 ; 2 Samuel 14:7 ; Esther 8:11 ; (b) the immaterial, invisible part of man, Matthew 10:28 ; Acts 2:27 ; cp. 1 Kings 17:21 ; (c) the disembodied (or "unclothed" or "naked," 2 Corinthians 5:3,4 ) man, Revelation 6:9....

https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/ved/s/soul.htm

whitestar01:
are you a jw?

nope

DoctorAlien:
Oga, does your own version of soul which you say exists within you be hungry for food, or have appetite? Can it bought with money by your fellow man?

You can see that Job is not talking about a conscious entity within his body which probably flies out after death.

THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THE SOUL DEPARTS FROM THE BODY AT DEATH.
gen 35:18
And as her soul was departing (for she was
dying), she called his name Ben-oni; but his
father called him Benjamin.
New American Standard Bible
It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.
King James Bible
And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him
Benjamin.
www.biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/35-18.htm

DoctorAlien:
The concordance is not inspired and I refuse to accept its teaching which negates GOD's own.

According to GOD, LIVING SOUL = BODY + BREATH OF LIFE(Gen. 2:7).

EX 15:9 American Standard Version The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; My desire shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.
Psalms 78:18 [ study!] American Standard Version
And they tempted God in their heart By asking food according to their desire Psalms 105:22 [ study!] American Standard Version (ASV 1901) [2] — To bind his princes at his pleasure, And teach his elders wisdom.
HERE SOUL IS TRANSLATED AS DESIRE/pleasure.