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DoctorAlien:
The concordance is not inspired and I refuse to accept its teaching which negates GOD's own.

According to GOD, LIVING SOUL = BODY + BREATH OF LIFE(Gen. 2:7).

Do you think the bible was written in english? it wasn't, The concordance tell you what d word mean in its original use. The bible didnt begin with kjv

DoctorAlien:
We know that Isaiah 26:9 was talking about the being of the person, or his essence.

so d essence of a person can be bought and sold?

The same word found in Zech. 12:1 is found in Job 27:3 where it is called breath.

Daniel 7:15

HEB: אֶתְכְּרִיַּ֥ת רוּחִ֛י אֲנָ֥ה דָנִיֵּ֖אל

NAS: As for me, Daniel, my spirit was distressed*


SO according to you, the above means, 'as for me daniel my BREATH was distressed?

edupedia:
....especially that useless Kukah who said N42m is chicken feed....chicken feed to Nigerians?...

What did kukah say that makes him useless, did people not buy a private jet wort more than that for their pastors? Abi u no even read d interview?

How do you feel about the payment of N42m by a man as tithe to a church in Benue State?


This is chicken feed compared to what contractors and businessmen and women are paying to corrupt church men, who are largely partners in crime and claim to be praying for rich people. So, it is important to check and cross-check your facts. You should educate us by telling us what really happened
now that the right hand knows what
the left is doing.

anotherydz:
When person dey use hin mouth drive rough na wetin go happen be this. Dey talk say 42M na chicken feed for country where some people cannot even eat a complete three meal a day.
I doubt if these so called bishops/priests are called by God. Most of them are men-ordained bishops/priests.

What did kukah say wrong in his interview that merits this treatment? didnt some people buy private jet for their pastors.
How do you feel about the payment
of N42m by a man as tithe to a
church in Benue State?
This is chicken feed compared to
what contractors and businessmen and women are paying to corrupt
church men, who are largely
partners in crime and claim to be
praying for rich people. So, it is
important to check and cross-check
your facts. You should educate us by telling us what really happened
now that the right hand knows what
the left is doing.

CC.
Dralien
pastoraio
easymancfc
italo
since dralien claims not to know that the word for soul has more than 1 meaning i have presented d hebrew concordance.

ֶפֶשׁ nephesh {neh'-fesh}
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration- Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion 1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
1b) living being
1c) living being (with life in the blood) 1d) the man himself, self, person or individual
1e) seat of the appetites
1f) seat of emotions and passions
1g) activity of mind 1g1) dubious 1h) activity of the will 1h1) dubious 1i) activity of the character
1i1) dubious
lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/5315.html

ARE YOU STILL DENEYING THAT AMONG THE MEANINGS OF SOUL, IT ALSO REFERS TO THE INNER BEING IN MAN?

AS I EARLIER SAID, the soul is a word used to mean many different thing according to it context

DoctorAlien:
Oga, does your own version of soul which you say exists within you be hungry for food, or have appetite?

here soul means d seat of human appetite and yes can b hungary

Can it bought with money by your fellow man?

here it means life, which can be bought...

You can see that Job is not talking about a conscious entity within his body which probably flies out after death.

job was talking in dat passage about his soul within him and dat soul has emotion! how do u explain that?

gbegemaster:
The that's where good governance comes into play. You begin develop other areas to reduce dependence on oil and gas.

Which money will u used to develop other sector?

DoctorAlien:
You throw your sense into the bin when it serves your purpose of defending a baseless claim.

If sirach was never accepted as Scripture, and certainly not around the time of Jesus or Paul, how can a right-thinking human being suppose that Jesus or Paul would make use of sirach as Scripture?

I dont know if u are making effort to be dull or if you ignorance is sincere.

The jews did NOT have a set canon during the time of Jesus, the jews fixed their canon in 200AD and d writting were canon abt 90AD(that is after the church came to existence and after Christ), before then jews used a much wider canon, the quram cave discoveries prove this and even d bible shows this because d book of enoch and d assumption of moses is quoted in d new testament. there was a much larger canon at d time.

Pastoraio a little help here, i dont know if dralien is pretending not to know that d jewish canon of the 1st century was much larger than what was later fixed.

DoctorAlien:
The word in Psa. 19:7 is napes, which is soul. Don't invent things to support your baseless claims.

GOD tells us categorically in Gen. 2:7 that a living soul is made up of body and breath. When did GOD add a soul into the body?

Isaiah 26:9 says this: “ At night my soul longs for Thee, indeed my spirit within me seeks Thee diligently.” Zech.12:1: “Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:”

DoctorAlien:
The same Hebrew expression translated soul in Job 14:22 is found in Job 33:20, where it says that the "soul" abhors dainty meat. Now tell me, does the conscious whatever which you claim exists within a man accept or abhor food? Does it eat?

Again, that very Hebrew expression is found in Proverbs 7:23 and Exod. 21:30, where it is translated "life". It is even said to be redeemed with money. Can your own version of soul be bought with money?

Again, that same Hebrew expression translated "soul" in Job 14:22 is found in Isa. 29:8, where the "soul" is said to be hungry for food, and to have appetite?

Can you see that the Bible does not support your claim of a conscious soul that exists within a body?

As i said earlier, d bible translate d word to mean many things, but in d case noted above job says his soul is WITHIN him and is capable of emotion. is ur soul capable of that?

brocab:
But I was right about the Catholic's they supported their own, and Hitler was Catholic...
We can't deny that, now can we.
We just need to look at your fruit Uben.

Adolf Hitler, speech in Berlin (December, 1924)
Martin Luther has been the greatest
encouragement of my life. Luther was a great man. He was a giant. With one blow he heralded the coming of the new dawn and the new age. He saw clearly that the Jews need to be destroyed, and we're only beginning to see that we need to carry this work on.... I believe that today I am acting in accordance with the will of Almighty God as I announce the most important work that Christians could
undertake - and that is to be against the Jews and get rid of them once and for all. www.tentmaker.org/books/MartinLuther-HitlersSpiritualAncestor.html

lalastica an co do the needful.*

I unreservedly condemn this action as a manifestation of the anti christian tendencies of the present administration.

This is an attempt to demonise the victims of fulani babarism. After christians are kill by fulanis, the soldiers decided to search a christian church for weapons instead of the mosque. It isnt right

brocab:
Uben it is just you don't understand what I actually mean when I said the Catholic's Lied saving the Jews. and I am not expecting you too understand, you aren't Christian.
But I was right about the Catholic's they supported their own, and Hitler was Catholic...
We can't deny that, now can we.
We just need to look at your fruit Uben.

Hitler was the fruit of the protestant german called martin luther, it was luther's book 'on the jews' that hitler claim inspired his anti-jewish stance. Go and read the book.

The catholic church doesnt support catholics in error instead she condemns their error just as d pope and bishops did to hitler, d pope release encyclical condemning him and the bishops did the same. Do u even know how many priests hitler arrested and killed? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

whitestar01:
we are talking about the doctrine of Christ which they don't uphold.

How does that concern government.

DoctorAlien:
Your questions assume a premise: that the soul is different from the body. Gen. 2:7 tells that soul = body + breath. So, when a person is blown to pieces, the spirit(breath) which GOD gave returns to Him, while the body returns to dust.

Job 34:14-15: “If He should set His heart on it, if He should gather to Himself Spirit (His breath?) and His breath, All flesh would perish together, and man would return to dust.” Here both breath and spirit are distinguished otherwise one would be gathering to himself spirit and his spirit or breath and his breath.
Ps. 19:7: “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the BREATH, the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;” The conversion is to ones soul, their inner being so it can rule over their body.
2 Cor. 7:1: “Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and BREATH (spirit),” Does this mean we take breath mints?

DoctorAlien:
Surely the soul can die. A soul is simply a life. Isn't it very clear from Gen. 2:7 that a soul is not a sort of thing that escapes the body when a person dies?

The Bible calls fishes and animals souls too. Does it mean that they have a conscious form which exits their body at death?

Job.14:22: “But his flesh upon him shall have pain, and his soul within him shall mourn.” Job makes the distinction saying the flesh is upon him and the soul is within him.

DoctorAlien:
I want to correct the first mistake you made: the Bible doesn't call it "my" or "your" spirit; it calls it "the" spirit. The spirit belongs to GOD.

What then is that spirit? We can be sure that it is not a conscious being. The spirit that returns to GOD is simply the breath of life which He gave in Genesis 2:7. That spirit + body = soul, Gen. 2:7 tells us.

"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of GOD is in my nostrils;" Job 27:3

Job points out that the spirit of GOD is in His nostrils. Surely the spirit is not a conscious being, because the only thing in our nostrils is breath.

Isaiah 26:9 says this: “At night my soul longs for Thee, indeed my spirit WITHIN me seeks Thee diligently.”
Zech.12:1: “Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man WITHIN him:” Here we see that the physical man is different than the Spirit in him.

DoctorAlien:
Ubenedictus, this is the Wikipedia link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon#Jewish_canons

It is stated categorically and unequivocally there that Sirach "was ultimately not accepted into Hebrew canon."

Therefore neither Paul, nor the early Christians used that uninspired book. And when Paul says "scripture", we know that sirach is not included.

Haha,

You link also say that the jewish canonisation process ended in 200AD and that much of the 'writtings' were canonised in 70AD which means the jews didnt have a fixed canon during d time of Jesus and Apostle and the church used its own canon. That means paul and Jesus and all the Apostle were very much at liberty to use sirach and d other books and they did.

DoctorAlien:
I don't understand: did Eccl. 9:10 stop being true in the NT?
The Bible says there is no knowledge of any sort in the grave.

Ofcuz there is no knowledge in the grave, dead bodies are put in graves and there is no knowledge there.
we are talking about the spirit after death.

DoctorAlien:
Ubenedictus, here is a quote from Wikipedia

Continue deceiving yourself.

Give the full wikipedia link.


Do u even know when the jews finally defined their canon? Long after d death of Jesus! are you a jew?

PastorAIO:
I think a big part of the problem here, and generally in threads like this is that many people are unaware that the bible contains a variety of theologies, and a variety of cosmologies.

You run into the problems you do when you think that the bible is coherent all over. It is neither coherence nor cogent.

Hmmm, there is this....

Though i wouldnt put it this way but it is true that the world view and theology in the bible isnt exactly the same from genesis to revelation. Catholics like to call it "progressive revelation"...i.e as time when on the people of God continued to gain a clearer idea of who God is and what He demands.

gbegemaster:
Governance goes beyond corruption fighting. Growing the economy is a huge part of governance. Besides, selective corruption fighting has been the hallmark of his government.

One more thing, we keep saying his government but how much does he actually oversee? Can you truly claim he is 100% in charge of this government?

This is half truth, how can u grow an economy when you major source of foreign exchange loses value? how many oil dependent country are doing well right now. check angola.

DoctorAlien:
Oga Paul did not quote Greek Scriptures, neither did he quote sirach. Continue deceiving yourself. It is there on Wikipedia for you to read and stop lying. Sirach and all those uninspired books were never part of Hebrew canon.

Matt. 2:16 - Herod's decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents. Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus' statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure. Matt.. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others. Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus' statement "you will know them by their fruits" follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation. Matt. 9:36 - the people were "like sheep without a shepherd" is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.
jimmyakin.com/deuterocanonical-references-in-the-new-testament

DoctorAlien:
Oga Paul did not quote Greek Scriptures, neither did he quote sirach. Continue deceiving yourself. It is there on Wikipedia for you to read and stop lying. Sirach and all those uninspired books were never part of Hebrew canon.

you are the one lying, the scripture quoted in d new testament is largely the septuagint.
www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/tips/what-bible-did-jesus-use-11638841.html

Jolar101:
Good point you raise, what is the latest in Ogoni cleanup?
It's almost two years since this government went to campaigns for Manus Abe.

D contractors have ran away for fear for their life, they say d place isnt secure.

DoctorAlien:
Who is feeding you these lies? Sirac whatever was not and is not part of the original Hebrew Bible.

D new testament quoted mainly the greek scriptures not hebrew, and the quram cave show that those books were also part of d hebrew bible before 100AD

shadeyinka:
Even though, I do not want to be drawn into your argument, can you please interpret this:

Mark 12:26–27
26 But concerning the dead, that they nrise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken.”

Pls combine it with what happened at the Mount of Transfiguration.

What did Jesus say they were mistaken about?

hehehe,

DoctorAlien:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteouness:" 2 Tim. 3:16

When Paul says "scriptures", he refers to the Hebrew Bible(the law, the prophets and the psalms, which is essentially the OT). Paul says that even the OT alone is sufficient for doctrine and instruction in righteousness.

You get it? So all those nonsense sirach and maccabees and tobith and whatnot are neither profitable for doctrine, nor for instruction in righteousness.

Actually sirac.... was part of scripture that paul was talking abt. the early church didnt use only 39 books.

DoctorAlien:
I want to correct the first mistake you made: the Bible doesn't call it "my" or "your" spirit; it calls it "the" spirit. The spirit belongs to GOD.

What then is that spirit? We can be sure that it is not a conscious being. The spirit that returns to GOD is simply the breath of life which He gave in Genesis 2:7. That spirit + body = soul, Gen. 2:7 tells us.

"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of GOD is in my nostrils;" Job 27:3

Job points out that the spirit of GOD is in His nostrils. Surely the spirit is not a conscious being, because the only thing in our nostrils is breath.

Actually you make a mistake when u assume that the word soul is always use to mean 1 thing, actually soul and spirit means several things depending on d context.
1. dead bodY
2. Any living creature
3. life
4. breath
5. that which is undistroyed after death.
6. wind
7....
It is used to refer to more than 1 thing,

DoctorAlien:
You must find another interpretation for the verses in Revelation, because Jesus said He would COME AGAIN to take His people to Himself, so that they will be where He is, and not that His people go to Him, maybe at death. You have not shown me where the Bible says that a soul leaves the body when a person dies.

heheh,
this is what happen when people do not have a complete bible.

DoctorAlien:
Gen. 2:7 KJV defines "soul" as a combination of body and breath of life. Therefore SOUL = BODY + BREATH.

Just like GOD said the blood of Abel was crying unto Him out of the ground, the things which these men suffered demand justice.

actually you are wrong, the bible calls a dead body that has no breath a soul, and an soul can be alive without the body.
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul (psuche): but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul (psuche) and body in hell" (Mat. 10:28)

DoctorAlien:
I want to correct the first mistake you made: the Bible doesn't call it "my" or "your" spirit; it calls it "the" spirit. The spirit belongs to GOD.

What then is that spirit? We can be sure that it is not a conscious being. The spirit that returns to GOD is simply the breath of life which He gave in Genesis 2:7. That spirit + body = soul, Gen. 2:7 tells us.

"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of GOD is in my nostrils;" Job 27:3

Job points out that the spirit of GOD is in His nostrils. Surely the spirit is not a conscious being, because the only thing in our nostrils is breath.

if you want to do that gynastics/ the bible also calls the soul a dead body.
"Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead (nephesh, psuche" (Num. 5:2)