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PastorAIO:
Thank you. I've been creeping back slowly for a few weeks now. I pray that all is good with you.

yeah, all is good, it seems d more NL has new members the more the older ones become scarce.

shadeyinka:
Its simple!

What is the difference between Roman catholic church and the Protestant churches?

What are those things done in the Catholic church of the present that were not in the Church of the Apostles time?

1. If you can prove that Peter and his fellow Apostles put on the Priestly Robe, then the first church is catholic
2. If you can prove that Peter ,Paul and the other Apostles use the rosaries then you have a point
3. If Mary the mother of Jesus was venerated to the status of Mother of God during the times of Peter and the other disciples, then you have a point.
4. Show me the earliest Monastery if it coincides with Jesus or His Apostles
5. Which seminary or Monastery did Timothy attend
6. How many Nuns were recorded in the books of Acts of the Apostle...

Hehehe,
why were the apostles killed and yet u are moving around freely?

Splinz:
You see! While the Holy Spirit fell on the disciples on Pentecost Day in AD 31, marking the official beginning of the New Testament Church, your own Catholic church was established in AD 33.

Obviously, the Church of God established in AD 31 by Jesus Christ Himself can't be the same one you claimed He established in AD 33.

So what? Go and find out who is the true founder of your church.

oya let us argue sematics and calender.

PastorAIO:
The op betrays an ignorance of the history of Christianity.

The Catholic Church never claimed that all early christians were Catholics. In fact history tells us that there were many many different types of Christianity in the first century. A lot of these the Catholic Church claims were heresies.

However the version of Christianity that won out over the others was the orthodox Christianity of the Roman Catholic Church. No protestant can make the claim of antiquity that the Catholic Church has unless they claim to hark back to heresy.

so dralien, slinz which heresy do you want to trace from? the arians or the judaizers? i know u keep d saturday sabbath.

MZLady39:
No they were not.

What were they? judaizers? there were heresies in the early church, so if the true early xtians werent catholics what were they? arian?

An2elect2:
Lying is not far from you. How can you compile a book you don't believe? And how can you mortal canonise a book of the Holy God?

The "Jesus" you preach is a subject of your god " blessed virgin mary". No wonder you live in sin and "work for eternal life"

You are a hopeless man. Look at you

I hope you know that telling lies about peoples beliefs is wrong?

I will like to hear u explain how you think the bible in its present form came about, hope you know it didnt fall frm the sky?

An2elect2:
You stiff-necked man. May the Lord rebuke you for associating Him with a pagan religion.To say Jesus was Catholic is
blasphemy against the Spirit of God.

Since you seem to hold John Calvin in high regard, this is his opinion on the matter.


“I deny not that the early Christians uniformly give high honour to the Roman Church, and speak of it with reverence. . . . pious and holy bishops, when driven from their sees, often
betook themselves to Rome as an asylum or
haven. . . . It therefore added very great authority to the Roman Church, that . . . [it]
adhered more firmly to the doctrine once
delivered, . . .” (IV, 6:16)

An2elect2:
God forbid.

God forbid what? how old is the protestant church?

Splinz:
They love lies and deceits more than God's revealed word. All of these is as a result of placing traditions above Scriptures, thereby making the word of God of no effect.

Yes, the title of “Peter” or “Pater” or “Patre” was a title of religious primacy that Simon Magus (the sorcerer and founder of the Catholic church) donned. Thus, he carried the title Simon “Peter.” The word “Pater” is of the same derivation as the word “Papa” or “Father” or “Pope.”

So when they talk of 'a' Peter as their pope, simply know that they are talking of Simon Magus.

You see ur ignorance, peter is frm d greek word petrus and the aramaic cephas. Pope is actually more french for papa. They are not derived from each other.

PastorAIO:
The op betrays an ignorance of the history of Christianity.

The Catholic Church never claimed that all early christians were Catholics. In fact history tells us that there were many many different types of Christianity in the first century. A lot of these the Catholic Church claims were heresies.

However the version of Christianity that won out over the others was the orthodox Christianity of the Roman Catholic Church. No protestant can make the claim of antiquity that the Catholic Church has unless they claim to hark back to heresy.

Pastoraio, welcome back to the religion forum, i saw your post on another thread. Its good to have u back.

donnie:
The JWs are not Christians but we as christians should be careful what laws we support. Especialy when it has to do with atheist governments like Russia.

That might just be the same platform that'll be used to shut down those bible believing, tongue talking, miracle working churches which are already being persecuted in Russia.

russia isnt atheistic, they are orthodox... and yes we should be careful what we support.

italo:
Olaadegbu, can we all agree that there are supposed to be rituals in Christianity...

...or are you still looking for a way to twist it?

hehe

analice107:
I think they deny Christ his divinity.


The Holy Spirit is just a life force, nothing more.

Jesus was an Angel before coming to earth, now that He is gone back to heaven, He went back to being and Angel Michael.

My brother biko.

I know all these, i know jw teachings, i grew up with their books...it was with their books i practiced how to read so i know them well.

But they believe in God, they profess Christ as they understand him, they are pacifist and do not fight any war except with words. It is harsh to call them extremist. This ban is against their fundamental human right i.e freedom of religion.

Be very careful what you support, today it is the witness, tomorrow it may be your church, next tomorrow maybe it will be my church and we will be banned for intolerance and bigotry against gay.
This can happen to anyone, be careful what u support.

true2god:
Self preservation is a natural instinct God imbedded in a man. Anybody or race that lacks this instinct is doomed for extinction and demographic replacement. 80% of the lands the Arabs occupied today are owned by the barbers, the Nubians, the Persians, the black Africans, the yazidis, the Assyrians and the Copt but have been displaced by the Arabs using Islam as a vehicle to plunder and conquer. Only the person who fails to learn from history doomed himself when history repeats itself. The Europeans are digging their own grave allowing a mass Arab migration. This has nothing to do with Christianity. The God of the Bible is not an advocate for stupidity and complacency in the face of an existential threat.

Concupiscence is also found in man, so is irrational fear.
It is not right to tag all muslims terrorists or discriminate against people simply because they are muslims.
Self preservation isn't the ultimate law, LOVE is.

true2god:
Why are you so concerned on why the mosque was closed? Do you know the number of churches that had been closed in the Arab/Muslim world?

Because i also believe that evil shouldnt be used to pay evil. defeat evil with good.
that arabs do it doesnt make it ok for europe to do it.

I do not support closing any bodies worship place unless is pose a danger to others.
why was the mosque closed?

onlyTheTruth:
first things first.. most Nigerians can't differentiate rabbit from rat.. basically, what most people refer to as rabbit with white tail, is another specie of the rat family..
rabbit is entirely different, som wil say oyinbo rabbit, nothing like oyinbo rabbit, , rat s rat wit plenty species,, and rabbit s rabbit with different species


search for rabbit on Google, u will never see a picture of a white tailed rat..

I just learnt sumtin.

An2elect2:
You can't be a Christian if you deny the deity of Christ. Neither can you be one by being "a better person" They are not Christians. Just another apostate religious system.

I don't call non trinitarians christians...but these people profess Jesus as Lord, have a little compassion.

MZLady39:
Brother (and i sincerely mean that),
My apologies to you. In no way was i trying to be prejudiced towards Catholics.
Three of my immediate family members are Catholic. I thought it was an historical fact that the Catholic church has many rituals.
I read what you wrote & appreciate the
definition you gave. I was giving my view...and trying to gain an understanding of the whole
concept.

Hmm, if you say so.

And yes it is a historic fact that Christianity from it earliest times has had rituals and those rituals can proudly be seen in orthodox churches, oriental churches and the catholic church, infact any church that is over 1000yrs old have about 7 major rituals, they are: baptism, eucharist AKA last supper, confirmation, penance AKA confession, anoiting d sick, matrimony, holy orders AKA ordination. These are called sacraments or holy mystery. They are rituals and i am sure every xtian church have atleast 2 of them.

brocab:
Wikipedia also tells us Hitler was a Catholic, and raised a Catholic, of course, it was said the Catholic Church also helped Hitler and his army to escape WW2, one would think which side was the Catholic Church on? listen we know we have the good and the bad's, and we could argue this one out as long as it takes. History deny's the Catholic Church-and History say's otherwise.
But here's a good argument you may, be able, to answer-As strange as it sounds you say it was the priest who gave fake I/D's so Hitler wont get them, does this mean the Priest were lying to the enemy to save souls.
Jesus said {Matthew 10:19-20}

you can say whatever you like, but history is clear no institution on earth saved as much jews as catholics! No goverment or protestant church or organisation did more than catholic to save jews.

Do u even know who inspired hitler to kill jews? The books he read? It was ur protestant founder, Martin Luther.

Ubenedictus:
stop speaking from ignorance, thousands of jews were saved frm hitler by the catholic church and hid in churches, rectories, monastries and covents. it was priests who gave the fake i.d so that hitler wont get them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust

That is the wikipedia page on it.

Even the jews thank and respect catholics for it, the catholic church saved the greatest number of jews, infact even d residence of the pope hid abt 500 jews.
shoebat.com/2014/05/24/roman-catholic-church-saved-jews-anyone-earth/

brocab:
You had always claimed this or that, but you can't prove they are myths.
You can't prove nothing about Hitler, but History can, Uben lets look into the past and the future, the Catholic's are doing what they do best, they didn't support the Jews, nor anybody that doesn't follow after Catholicism "Why? One Church ring a bell? The Church are calling now in the future, like they called out in the past-The Catholic's believe they are the true Church, and there's no other.
The Jews were not supported by the Vatican through the Holocaust-Why? The Jews belong to God, God's Church is not of this world. And the Catholic Church is.

stop speaking from ignorance, thousands of jews were saved frm hitler by the catholic church and hid in churches, rectories, monastries and covents. it was priests who gave the fake i.d so that hitler wont get them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Catholics_during_the_Holocaust

johnsonedidiong:
Why all this can,t they investigate and know the occupants of that apartment why involving Goodluck. Rubbish

D occupant of the apartment is oke and the money disappeared under goodluck.

plappville:
When someone is resigned from a job/position it means he is no longer in duty. The Pope's case is different from the RCCG example u gave me. To me, The Pope did not really resign. He was too old to continue. So he decided to reduce His stress by stepping down. But the RCCG did resigned. The worse is, He was forced by His president to resign. And He obeyed Him. Two different case.

I

So u want tn argue about semantics. Oya continue

majalisa:
thanks for the indulgence sir

No, u thank u.

MZLady39:
Brother,
Did you give the other numerous definitions (which include secular organizations) of a "ritual"?
I used to be in a sorority....which had many rituals.
Hence the reason I answered the question the way I did.

You are Catholic correct?
So your response is expected.
The Catholic church is rife with rituals.

I have partaken in Baptism & continue (quarterly) in Communion/Footwashing and I don't call those "rituals". We have been commanded to engage in those ordinances.
The word/definition is where we have a disagreement.

So when a catholic says the truth it immediately become a lie abi? You dont care if what i say is true, u'll rather point at whether am catholic or not. That is bais mixed with prejudice.

Consider what i wrote if it has merit or not, do not reject it based on bais.

OLAADEGBU:
Either you call it a ritual, ordinance or sacrament what's the difference? Apart from those two are there any other ordinances mandated for Christians to observe?

Laying of hands, anoiting d sick,...etc

OLAADEGBU:
Water baptism and the Lord's Supper are the only ordinances commanded to be done in Christianity, no more no less.

ritual /ˈrɪtʃʊəl/ noun
1. a religious or solemn ceremony
consisting of a series of actions performed according to a prescribed order.

adjective 1. relating to or done as a religious or solemn rite.

Both baptism and lord's supper are rituals, they are religious ceremony done in a prescribed order. take bread and wine, give thanks while recall what Jesus did, pray, break d bread and eat d bread and wine... that is the religious ceremony called d last supper.
it satisfy the definition of a ritual, hence it is a ritual.

sisisioge:
Father priest, you obviously didn't quite comprehend my two posts. I referenced your primitive family planning method on both which most often than none see your folks competing with rats in the family planning department. My bestie and her husband are both Catholics and I remember quite alright when both agreed to "accept all children God gives them with open hands" amen. It was like the priest was reading them Catholics code of ethics/riot act

i guess everybody that disagrees with u on catholic issues you tag with names abi?

Is your bestie now like d rats? Catholic family planing work like a charm if d lady has a regular or fairly regular cycle, irregular cycle can cause trouble. And yes, why won't the priest inform d couples about the morals they are expected to uphold?

My family both extended and nuclear have 3-4 kids all through which is d number agreed on from d get go with a 3, 4 yrs spacing in between. It works if d couple want it to.

sisisioge:
Dear Benedict, I hear you. The billing system and all...so unreliable and primitive. Anyways, no be me dey wonder...direct your informed info to the OP. It is well.

Oh, so you are aware that catholics do plan their families but you decided it was better to make a carricatur of it and create a strawman while uncharitably comparing a catholic to a rat. That my dear is unfair.

No be you dey wonder but u no get problem to tell d op say catholics dey born like rat abi?

doyinbaby:
my dear God knows best.....just that I can't find any biblical backing for some of their practices.....I decided to let my catholic friends be.....rather than arguing with them

Have you made research about these topics you seem to have issues with? if i wanted to know about a honda car i'll go to a honda company or dealer and get a manual, if i want to know about protestanism i'll read up luther, calvin, knox, wesley etc, if i want to know abt philosophy, i'll read socrates, plato, aristotle etc. if you want to know abt catholicism ask a knowledgeable catholic, meet a priest, read catholic books, there is a catholic catechism online....
If u are reading abt philosophy frm a scientist, or protestanism from pope leo or catholicism from ur pastor or anticatholic website...then u are not trying to learn, u just want to condemn.
Thank u.

doyinbaby:
Should a Christian marry a catholic,

A catholic is a christian though not all christians are catholics. I think you mean to ask 'should a protestant/pentecostal marry a catholic?' the answer is yes! If the love each other then they may be married...but they should be ready to work out the differences and sometimes agree to disagree.