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italo:
Lol...

...and that the Church created Communism, the Ku Klux Klan, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism, and Islam

italo:
Going by what you wrote, the true Church came back in 1585.

Where is it? It is invisible abi?

DoctorAlien:
Walter A. Elwell (editor), "Evangelical Dictionary of Theology" (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House, 1984), page 141.

We all know how good the catholic church is at forgery. Indeed, Rome was called "the home forgery" during the dark ages. Moreover, stop deluding yourself: the Roman Catholic church did not produce the Bible. The Bible was written by holy men of GOD who were not Roman Catholics.

DoctorAlien:
For what it's worth, Mary Ann Collins could be a pen name. The person behind the name may have chosen not to reveal her true identity. We all know how the catholic church murdered Alberto Rivera(a former priest) after he left the catholic church and exposed them.

DoctorAlien:
The church in Corinth, the church in Ephesus, the church in Galatia, etc.

Walter A. Elwell, "Evangelical Dictionary of Theology" (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House, 1984), page 141.



We know that the council of Carthage met to recognize properly as canon those books that were already canon by concensus of use. Did Christians even around the time of Origen use the book of Maccabees or Sirach? The answer is NO. So, you have no point.

DoctorAlien:
Here is a true Roman Catholic who doesn't know jack about his church and what they can do. He gobbles down whatever he is fed by the priests.

Bro, the Roman Catholic church has forged many documents and writings, and edited countless others, simply to lend credence to whatever lies they've decided to teach their flock. The Catholic encyclopedia even admits these forgeries!

The Donation of Constantine is only one, and a good example, of such forgeries. You can read about the Donation of Constantine on Wikipedia.

shadeyinka:
Intersting read:
However, you always contrast Catholic vs Protestant and this prevent you from seeing that you did not invent history.

Permit me to paste this from Wikipedia:



So, you can see that your historical records could be biased.

Are the Orthodox Christians under the authority of the Pope?
If they are not Catholics, then your dispute should be with the Orthodox Christians.

shadeyinka:
You needn't get upset by the statement quoted.

The early Apostles never put on the kind of robes put on by the catholic priests. They wore their normal day to day dress. If Jesus didn't put on a priestly robe, His disciples did not have any reason to.

It would have been illegal for Jesus to even put on the Jewish priestly robes at his time. So, what example would Peter be following.

You should know that the religious ceremonies taken fore granted now were not possible in the catacombs.

A Bishop was supposed to be a husband of one wife ..NOT celebrate. Mybfriend, there is a huge difference.

Pls check out:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Orthodox_Church

Mcowubaba:
[i]The Church had leaders not a Bishop in the time of the Apostles, after Jesus ascended into heaven.

Jesus Christ was never a Catholic and can't be a Catholic, bring any Bible scripture that backs up ur claim..

Jesus Christ was sent by God to save and redeem the world from condemnation, I don't know when HE became a Catholic member

Jesus Christ is the Savior nd not a Catholic member..
Catholic denomination is MAN MADE, not DIVINE, Jesus Christ is DIVINE, know the difference..
Don't personalise Jesus Christ to the Catholic Church, that would be blasphemy.

Jesus Christ is Lord over all, and came as a MORTAL (not as a Catholic) to save ALL

DoctorAlien:
The apocryphal books were not canon before 397 A.D. going by concensus of use. And since the catholic church only gathered in the council of Carthage simply to recognize as canon those books which were already canon by concensus of use, we know then that the apocryphal books were not even thought of in that council.

I know. I know. I know how the catholic church can manufacture forged documents as evidence to support their lies. So, don't even bother showing me any evidence of the council of Carthage listing the apocryphal books as canon.

true2god:
It is not irrational to fear a religious system that had, over a thousand years, believe in the subjugation of people of other religions, and the arab-muslims are notorious for always attempting to conquer people and empires. They had been very successful over the years in conquering and subjugating people.

If a tenant is notorious for violently taking over a rented apartment, in the name of a god, from his landlords, why will a rational landlord rent or lease his property to such? You can hardly err on the side of caution. It is therefore irrational to allow Arabs, who are known to have imperial instincts, to be allowed an unrestricted access to a foreign territory.

Go and read the history of Islamic expansion and dont prove to be naive or a liberal who sanction all forms of modern- day lawlessness in the name of human right and love. Love goes hand in hand with rational decision making.

Splinz:
I've always known you as someone lacking in comprehension skills. So, I'm not surprised anymore.

MZLady39:
Well brother,
Clearly, they lack understanding unfortunately. I get it though.
You raised the most important point here.
This is bigger than what a group of people believes or doesn't believe (and their right to be labeled a Christian)..which some commenters think this is about. J.W.s are still considered a religious group regardless of their beliefs.
It's about their (a religious group's) freedom being taken away...to believe how they want to....without being punished or labeled for it.
The same thing will happen soon to other religious groups.

ichuka:
Greetings bro
No matter how tares are similar to wheat
The Gospel truth is they are not and can never be same.

whitestar01:
But they're deceiving members

proudafrogal:
yeah people hate on Catholics a lot. what I meant is it is not seen as a big deal to hate on Catholics and Jehovah witnesses. unlike Judaism and Islam that is protected. say anything about Jews or Muslims whether constructive or not you are termed a bigot antisemite or islamophobe.

annunaki2:
I agree with you that love is the ultimate law but that does not mean we should allow these evil jihadists doing the work of their Allah to kill us all.

Mcowubaba:
Early Christians weren't Catholics.
The were just Christians, no denomination, no silly doctrine, no pope.
What happened in the early church was Gathering of believers to worship and praise God.

Jesus was not/never a Catholic..
In fact [b]what Catholics do is not what Jesus Christ wants.

Catholics are on their own, same with dozens of other denomination.
Every one is practicing Christianity to suit their own desires, man made doctrine and idealogy[b]
Very few true Christians

newbornmacho:
Blasphemy

DoctorAlien:
The Old Testament was written by God's inspired prophets, patriarchs, psalmists, judges, and kings.
It was faithfully copied and preserved by Jewish scribes. Modern Protestant Bibles have the same content as the Hebrew Bible. The New Testament was written by Christian apostles. None of them were Catholics, because there was no Roman Catholic Church at the time. This was over two centuries before Constantine's "conversion". The early Church did not have the New Testament as we know it. Rather, individuals and local congregations had portions of it. They would
have one or more of the Gospels, some of the letters which Apostles had written, and perhaps the Book of Acts or the Book of Revelation.

MZLady39:
No they were not.

Ubenedictus:
so dralien, splinz which heresy do you want to trace from? the arians or the judaizers? i know u keep d saturday sabbath.

MZLady39:
Brother,
Let's imagine that they were. But then it would be a mixture of a lot of denominations...not just Catholics.

Why are you guys so cut-throat about Catholicism?
Where's Jesus in you guys' approaches?

shadeyinka:
The Apostles were killed because they claimed to be Christians Catholics

plappville:
Trust me. France is very fair with Islam than Christianity.
Despite the killing of 263 French citizens since last year. France has not don much than closing down few mosque where they preach hate. Some mosques do accommodate terrorists.

Take example the Belgium attack this year, that guy after killing He went to the mosque. Stayed there for some hours while he was been searched by the police. The imam would not say a word. "Oh ye, he is doing it for allah. We have to protect him" common, this mosque is shutdown for security reasons. Trust the French Government when it comes to Islam. They protect muslims alot.

plappville:
So what would have been your own method in reducing or stopping islamist terrorism if you were to be in their shoe?

plappville:
The qoran does not agree with you on this!

brocab:
I can say as much as I like, but the point is, the Catholic Church lied against God to help save a few Jews.
Not only the Catholic's saved the Jews, if counting, but Holocaust rescuers came from different parts of the world-and Poland alone also had a big part in rescuing the Jews around the Holocaust, around the 100,000 to 150,000 and more.
How many did you say the Catholic Church rescued?

annunaki2:
Let's just continue to pray for Le pen's victory in the upcoming elections, this rubbish will certainly be checked.

proudafrogal:
sometimes I feel sorry for you Catholics sha.
in this 21st century everybody seems to be against you. especially in the west

when Islam is insulted everybody screams islamophobia

Judaism antisemitism

other Christian sects antichrists or bigots.

ha ha ha nothing like catholicophobia lol

MZLady39:
Brother,
While you and I have some differing belief systems in certain areas, you are absolutely correct in saying the following:

Be very careful what you support, today it is the witness, tomorrow it may be your church, next tomorrow maybe it will be my church and we will be banned for intolerance and bigotry against gay.
This can happen to anyone, be careful what u support

And what this ruling has done is set a precedent for what's about to happen with other religious groups (trickle down theory) unfortunately (regardless of the particular subject).
This is not a good move...it tramples on a group's right to have Religious Liberty. Regardless of what they or any group believes, under the law (well at least in the U.S.), they have a right to believe it. Things will change soon though.