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otipoju:
In a patriarchal society do you bear your Mothers surname ?
Is it recorded in the bible that Joseph had other wives?

The bible calls Jesus THE son of mary even though it is a patriachal society. palestine call their relatives brothers and sister, a cousin can be called a brother or sister, that is a fact.

that is why it is interesting that d bible didnt call his relatives mary's kids.

simplex2:
No, mary gave them up for adoption after giving birth to them. That was why the were trekking all over Jerusalem and Judea looking for Jesus so he can help them find their real birthfather.

Sacasm, this shows u have no point.

https://zenit.org/articles/theological-commission-s-statement-on-women-s-ordination-to-diaconate/

This is another comment by a member of d comision.

elampiro:
Good.

Can you help me with Cardinal Ratzinger writing on the issue?

Some of my Catholic friends following Maria Divine Mercy have a way of blowing some things out of proportion. I no longer agree with them.

i think this is it it is frm the theological commision it was accepted by ratzinger. www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_pro_05072004_diaconate_en.html

elampiro:
Good.

Can you help me with Cardinal Ratzinger writing on the issue?

Some of my Catholic friends following Maria Divine Mercy have a way of blowing some things out of proportion. I no longer agree with them.

i cant put my hands on it right now, i know it was signed by ratzinger in 2002 and it showed the church had an issue to clarify.

If i lay my hand on it, i'll give u d link, i remember d current perfect for d congregation of faith and doctrine card muller was one of d theologians who worked on d document.

Welcome back, its been long i heard frm u, hw u dey?

simplex2:


Matt 13:55 talked about his brothers James, Joses, Simon and Judas
vs 56 talked about his sisters.

Mark 6:3 Maintained the same names, except Judas which was turned to Juda, also talked about his numerous sisters.

Luke 8:19

Matt 12:46

Mark 3:31

...Should I continue or are you just playing dumb?

Is any of the called a child of mary?

lailo:
U people are deceiving urself.Let it be during Abacha military regime and d Oba of Benin pass im boundary,thats when u will no dat military rule pass tradition.

even during military regime nobody points fingers at the oba.

simplex2:
^^ It must be hard to defend the indefensible. There are bible verses specifically mentioning Jesus' siblings; yet you pretend not to see it and to apply logic to the topic.

You just cant come to terms with the fact that holy mary was screwed in and out; doggie, missionary, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl by her beloved husband.

kpelle.

I guess the discription of styles gives u some personal gratification.

did the bible mention mary's children apart 4rm Jesus?.

Sarassin:
Surely you are having a giggle. There is no evidence anywhere in the bible that Joseph (who likely passed away much sooner than Mary) married another wife, who do you suppose the mother of the brothers and sister of Jesus was? James the brother of Jesus went on to become the head of the Jerusalem church....as in ...not half-brother

Actually joseph may have been married b4 mary, that isnt even my point.

the greek word the bible uses is adelphos it can mean a whole range of relations include half brothers, cousins, relations etc. and yes any of Jesus relation could have been bishop in jerusalem, dat doesnt make them mary's kids.

PastorAIO:
What about the playwright who is inspired to write a play. The play is coloured by the writer's understanding and perspective etc yet it is written for public performance and it inspires and edifies all who come to watch it. Where does it's role as public revelation start and it's role as private inspiration end?

A lot of inspirations (in fact I believe all inspiration) that a human individual can experience are for the benefit of all of humanity. I personally believe that each of us are like 'God's gift to the world'. We all have gifts we bear for the betterment of humanity and this planet.

Take d next lines with a pinch of salt.

public revelatn is usually d type that is considered absolute truth, D type everybody must blive. D play above edifies people but no one is asked to blive them or lose happily thereafter in heaven.

Philadelphia:
I'm not surprised you can't see the answer to your question in the response I gave you. Enjoy en with the bible text. That's why I asked you to pray for the Holy Spirit to give you discernment. Sorry Bro, you just laughed at yourself as the joke is on you.

So who was given d keys?

Sarassin:
And Jesus's brothers and sisters?

They were never calld children of mary, both phrases arent equivalent.

PastorAIO:
Oh yes, it is, indeedy. So wide in fact that we can apply it to any and every communication ever.

Every book, video, film, poem, dance, expression, utterance, is inerrant as regards all truth that the authors intend to convey.

lol, i get d sacasm, BUT i think dat is d extent of inerrancy, that every intended point was made without error, and those points are true.

otipoju:
if Joseph did not sleep with Mary at all , how come Jesus had brothers and sisters.

what a pity ...so you type all this long epistle to display your ignorance.

Anything that was connected with
God's service that was touched, would require the toucher
to ritually cleanse
himself before going back to normal
human society.
Touching the Ark of the Covenant
was instant death, even if you meant well.
So let's ask ourselves (or let's have
Joseph ask himself,
since he was a righteous man) what
a Jewish man who
observed the Law righteously would do if God entrusted
him with the care of the Ark of the
Covenant, or even
with one of the gold and silver
vessels used in Temple
sacrifice? Would he use the gold and silver vessels as
normal dinnerware? Would that be a
smart thing to do?

otipoju:
if Joseph did not sleep with Mary at all , how come Jesus had brothers and sisters.

what a pity ...so you type all this long epistle to display your ignorance.

I also have adephos (brethren) who aren't my mothers sons, How is dat strange?

now u are d one showing ignorance.

JMAN05:
He was never a stupid man for sleeping with Mary. she was his wife. You are the one who view that act as stupid, not God.

If someone is righteous he can no longer sleep with a woman? Or since Jehovah is the husbandly owner of Israel, none there should marry?

Since "your" body is the temple of God, you should remain single?

The saints are Christ's bride, they should all be single. shey?

I would expect u place scriptural reference to what you refer as Mary being Ark and wife of God. We might look at it together.

What would u call God's baby mama?

I am d temple of God and i can go abt and eat unclean animals and touch blood etc and i wont be unclean, i am not a jew, BUT Joseph was a jew, a righteous one who followed d law, he knew about ritual cleanines, he also knew not to touch anytin dedicated to God.

If u were a jew who found out he had a temple relic consecrated to GOD in his house, will u use d relic in ur kitchen?

Philadelphia:
Read this: "KJV John 20
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained."

If you still don't understand this in line with your question, then pray for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

HAHAHA? So u cant answer my question? who was Jesus given d keys to?

blueagent, please stop the commentary and give me a one line answer, what is the ministry of death carved in stone?

cc btok, syncan.

Philadelphia:
When it's not in line with the bible, then it's not "Truth".

What truth? who did Jesus tell 'i will give u the keys to the kingdom'? is dat not inline with d bible

What if i tell u guys that d above picture is simply a seminary during their cultural day, d masqurade is a seminarian wearing costumes.

Philadelphia:
What do you expect a Catholic to say on this subject matter? To deny that Peter is the foundation or first Pope? No! They would not want to deny it.
Read and keep reading. All your comments show that you don't do any research. I just did one for you. Look at the screen shots.

Screen shot 1:
The founders of "behind the name" (where you mind lifted and screen shot "Peter" from) are Mike Campbell and Tara Campbell (Roman Catholics). They are roman catholics.

Screen shot 2,3,4 & 5:
Evidence that Tara Campbell grew up in a Catholic school where she attended. It further proves that she is a Catholic as she serves in a Catholic church.

Download her full bio from here:
http://media.wix.com/ugd/7af27b_75f1e355785840aaa2312710bf5f4a59.pdf

So a catholic cant speak d truth? why then shuld a catholic blive a protestant?
That she is catholic doesnt nullify her point.

Ubenedictus:
This kind of comment happen cos of ignorance, ogiamien was a chief in beni, he wasnt even related to d ogisos, his dormain was utantan, he tried to take advantange of d power vacuum wen ogiso owodo died, d uzama apointed him as caretaker...

He tumbled when he tried to appoint his son as regent after him, the bini people reminded him he isnt an ogiso or decedant frm them and lacks d right to lead, d uzama had to conclude plans tO bring owodos son back to bini, when oramiyan came ogiamien resisted and kept him out of d town, dat is why oramiyan ran frm bini and calld it ile ibinu, eweka was in d care of d ogie of oghor and when he came of age it became a full blown civil war, eweka+uzama against ogiamien, d ogiamen was doomed to lose, he took a treaty dat allowed him keep utantan, hence d ceremony at coronation. they currently have a bad relationship wit d oba since d previou ogiamien disappear. the above story is because d palace doesn recognice arisco as ogiamien

nwasteve:
I see fallacy especially with the first church mentioned. Christ never appointed Peter pope anywhere, remember it's the same Peter that Christ rebuked even to the point of calling him Satan (though He meant that Satan was speaking through him).
It's also clear that all through the Bible that Jesus is the rock and not St Peter.
I know Catholic priests dnt marry but Peter had a family to the point of Christ healing his mother in law

Who did Jesus tell 'i will give u d keys of d kingdom'?

and there are married catholic priest.

macof:
I believe before the time of Oba Ewuare the Great who expanded Bini into a small empire, Obas in Bini used to pay tributes to the Ooni.

it's no wonder that Ooni is called Oghene...which happens to be one of the appellations of God in Edoid languages

How i wish u can find proof of bini paying tribute to d ooni.

macof:
I've been saying that the Oba family will be put to shame by the Ogiamien family who are the descendants of the Ogiso.


Imagine what inferiority complex and slave - master relationship with the Oba has driven Bini people to? thank goodness the Ogiamien family - the true custodians of the Ogiso heritage - have never allowed themselves to be corrupted by the mental disease called inferiority complex. ..look at how they are still proud and challenge the fallacies of the Omon'Oba and his puppet chiefs who don't know any history. .. Imagine one said in response to the Alake "Oba of Benin is the father of Ooni" how can? when Eweka I the first Oba of Benin was son of Oramiyan, the 6th Ooni?

I blame inferiority complex

This kind of comment happen cos of ignorance, ogiamien was a chief in beni, he wasnt even related to d ogisos, his dormain was utantan, he tried to take advantange of d power vacuum wen ogiso owodo died, d uzama apointed him as caretaker...

BLUEAGENT, my question still remains, what is the ministry of death carved in stone?

i an calling everybody as a witness that u have refused to answer both urself and dralien. i didnt ask u 4 commentary, i ask 1 question, pls answer it.

cc syncan Btok

elampiro:
Pope Francis confuse me a lot. But this is just a proposal to call a commission to study the possibility of women deacons (deaconesses).

I have always been sceptical about him, just when I was backing him, he wants to open another controversy.

Italo, Syncan, ubenedictus, what do you think about this new move. I am back again. Lol

There is a question on a gray area of what is posible, pope benedict raised d issue in one of his writtings as cardinal, i expect it will be clarified and people can stop speculating.

PastorAIO:
I do not think that the originals were inerrant either.

If you want to limit the purview of the bible to 'knowledge of God' then the issue is undebatable. We'd have to verify facts about God separately and see if they tally with what we read in the bible. I don't see how 2 people can do this and arrive at concord.

But if you broaden the purview from just 'knowledge of God' then we find it jam packed to the helm with errors of all sorts.

OK, i'll broaden it, the bible is inerrant as regards all truth that the authors intended to convey.

is dat wide enough?

PastorAIO:
Pray tell, What is the difference?

Inspiration, simply says there is divine influence, u can be inspired to write a book, a song, draw a portrait or just show love. the bible is inspired i.e d God used human, with their own understanding and xperience to write down his truth, even though it may be coloured by d writers understanding and perspective.
public revelation is what God wants d whole world to know about himself, d world, ourselves, etc.

inspiration can be personal, ...a voice in ur head, a set of xperience u blive is leading to a reality, public revelation is public, meant 4 d world.

public revelation may be a subset of inspired thing.

e.g i fink my career choice is inspired, all my being every circumstance i encounted, d problems i faced, my mind points to it as if God wants it for me, bt that is hardly a tin of public revelation, it doesnt even concern d next person, if d next guy denies my claim it doesnt matter, it personal inspiratn nt public

The above assertion is common among Nler, the less charitable versions says he "bleeped" her and claims this must be so because they were married?

But we must ask ourselves was Joseph not a jew? or was he stupid?

"
Mary was consecrated to God's service, because her
body was His Heaven for nine months. She was the new
Ark of the Covenant. The house where Jesus lived was
the true Temple where God was constantly present.
Anything that was connected with God's service that was
touched, would require the toucher to ritually cleanse
himself before going back to normal human society.
Touching the Ark of the Covenant was instant death,
even if you meant well.
So let's ask ourselves (or let's have Joseph ask himself,
since he was a righteous man) what a Jewish man who
observed the Law righteously would do if God entrusted
him with the care of the Ark of the Covenant, or even
with one of the gold and silver vessels used in Temple
sacrifice? Would he use the gold and silver vessels as
normal dinnerware? Would that be a smart thing to do?
Would he do it with God Himself living right there?
Joseph would also have been fully familiar with Ezekiel's
vision of the New Temple in the New Jerusalem, where
the Lord entered through a gate that would then be
forever closed to all but Him. He would have seen Mary
give birth without the pain of labor, and heard the angels
sing.
Joseph was in the position of having the Ark of the
Covenant, not to mention GOD HIMSELF, living in his
house. He wasn't going to screw around with Mary,
literally or figuratively. He would guard her and care for
her and be her friend and brother, and he would protect
her and take her into his home as a husband should. But
he sure wasn't going to try and find out the hard way
what kind of horrible fate was reserved for someone who
entered the closed gate, where only the Lord was
allowed to pass.
I would also urge people to consult the story of
Absalom, and ask themselves why it would be such a big
deal that Absalom slept with David's wives. Likewise, ask
yourselves why it was a big deal which prince remarried
David's last, unconsummated wife, the Shunamite
woman. Why? Because sleeping with a king's wife meant
stealing his sovereignty (or if the king was dead, it was
an attempt to make yourself seen as his legal heir).
Sleeping with the mother of one of his children was even
more insulting, of course, because it made the paternity
uncertain; but the Shunamite woman's story shows that
even sleeping with a virgin wife was really really not
taken well, unless you really were the lawful king. (And if
you were the lawful king, you should be getting your
own wife, not doing some weird pagan thing. Marry the
old king's daughter, not his wife, duh.)
So why would Joseph have wanted to have sex with a
woman who was essentially God's wife (and mom),
unless he had wanted to tell God, "I'm going to usurp
your power and sleep with your woman, as part of my
new House of David World Domination Plan"? Yeah, that
would go over really really well.
Joseph was a righteous man. He was not a stupid man"

lacum:
u see dats y u should be a catholic for u to knoe n dont say wat u dont know. pope is never ordained even till this day

he doesn't know popes are not ordained, that is what happen when people don't research.

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Muafrika2:
Definitely. And seeing that we are waiting for a very specific nation / or Kingdom upon the earth (of Christ) it should be the nation birthed at a moment of travail (which means it comes at a very unlikely time of distress on the earth) and remains hidden for a while.

this nation will rule the world with an iron rod? and the nation is on God throne?[email]

Muafrika2:
Definitely. And seeing that we are waiting for a very specific nation / or Kingdom upon the earth (of Christ) it should be the nation birthed at a moment of travail (which means it comes at a very unlikely time of distress on the earth) and remains hidden for a while.

this nation will rule the world with an iron rod? and the nation is on God throne?[/email]

Muafrika2:
Definitely. And seeing that we are waiting for a very specific nation / or Kingdom upon the earth (of Christ) it should be the nation birthed at a moment of travail (which means it comes at a very unlikely time of distress on the earth) and remains hidden for a while.

this nation will rule the world with an iron rod? and the nation is on God throne?