₦airaland Forum

hotboz:
Now it has started. Remember Turkey wasn't an entirely islamic country. But due to ignorance and non-challant attitude of resident Xtians, the rest is history.

Turkey didnt become muslim becos of ignorance, the muhamedan invaded turkey with a superior force and captured and conquered them. read up on the crusades, the xtians were able to beat them at tours in france and later again at lepanto, that is why we have christianity in d west becos of d crusades.

Forwetinnah:
You wey get sense!! Na NASS write the budget wey dem go explain am? So after writing a project which was corrected, youll need the one who corrected it to explain. Can you read at all? If boooooohari wants explanation doesn't he know where the budget office is? The thief just wants to make sure his fraud is added to the budget that's all

Dem no say make nass xplain am dem say make NASS provide detail of d adjustment they made.

erekoshe:
U made a mistake, admit it and move on. The defence is unecessary. Dont be childish, everybody make mistakes, an adult acknowledge and take corrections.. The road is most likely not even Edo, my comment was based on the error, not the road

Oshiomole would have been the best Edo governor ever, but virtue of his recent outburst and lifestyle, he's the second worse... Only Igbinedion surpasses him.

I didnt make any mistake! the average edo man is an apha male and will speak up if he dislikes sumtin, he doesnt pretend or hide and form holy holy. osho was always known for his outbust, when he was at NLC he did same, when he became governor he continued, osho talks, i see nthing there. as for his lifestyle, a man's private affair his is busines, edos are very mindful of this, wat i knw is dat he is a married man with children to whom he is a gud father and husband.

owanedo:
what is the essence of this post? name any state in Nigeria you can't find flooding. only a fool would expect one administration to provide everything, including all infrastructures needed. he has done his bit which Lucky Igbenedion will see and hide himself in shame. try post some of the roads he constructed or expanded, the schools he built and rehabilitated, the hospitals he rehabilitated and built. the state workers that get their salaries as when due. don't be an enemy of good thing.though he is not perfect and has his short comings just like any other human being. I be edo person so i can schooled you about edo.

ABEG TELL AM.

magicalx:
And some zombies were abusing Wike that Airforce is flooded, have you seen all the good roads Wike has constructed in such a short period and Gov. Osho dey open mouth talk. APC = SCAM!

This is called fanatism, are roads in rivers all tarred? atleast we dont wake up in edo and meet critical infrastucture flooded, that is y osho hit at wike.

PEROSKY12:
lol! Oshiomhole shld be ashamed of himself, some mnths to leave office nd there is stil a place like this in edo state, i dnt think anything good can come out of apc. he promised heaven on earth b4 he was voted in, wat a shame

ARE ALL THE ROADS IN UR STATE TARRED?

i dnt know why people enjoy talking nonesense just to put others down.

thabet232:
IS IT JUST EDO STATE A LOT OF STATE IN NIGERIA ARE SUFFERING THE SAME THING, BUT I MUST SAY THE WAY ADAM OSHOMOLE WAS SHOWING SPIRIT OF SOLIDARITY AND ALL OF THAT WHEN HE WAS THE HEAD OF NLC I WAS SINCERELY EXPECTING ALOT MORE FROM HIM BUT IS CLEAR THAT THAT ALL THOSE TANTRUMS WAS FOR HIS FUTURE POLITICAL AMBITION AND PURPOSES IS A BIG CAPITAL MATURED GROWN UP SHAME ON EDO STATE , HOW WILL THE KIDS LEARN AFTER DOING COMPULSORY KUNGFU AND DISPOSING OF SPIDERMAN SKILLS BY FORCE SMHRH

osho has done well in edo state, every well meaning edolite wil say d same. he cant solve every problem.

BELAEBY:
hehehehehehe... they will soon turn supermen and start jumping or flyining fences. nonsense but funny. the pple blived and trusted this man, what did dey get in return? disgrace, betrayal, disappointment and wat a view.Say no to this APC deception

To me osho did not decieve anybody, i lived in edo, just came back frm easter break. he is d best governor edo has seen in 20yrs, he worked and toiled to see edo standing.

saintdennis:
I don't blame u... you obviously ain't lived or even visited Benin b4.

Go check out benin's major roads b4 oshio and check em out now. Yes A LOT of work still has to be done within the inner streets, but abeg don't deride APC for pdp's failures.

Until u show me a flooded road from isihor down to five junction, 3rd junction ring road, sapele road etc (major roads). Then i'd criticise oshiomole.

B4 he came in once it rains... the whole Benin becomes a lake.

He never visited edo, b4 whenever d rainy season starts just watch itv, one by one street will be filled up with water.

erekoshe:
O! Really? Didn't know PDP has been ruling Edo for the past 8years..

Your line is stale, try another one

When pdp was dere wat did they do? ask any benin man abt lucky igbenedion, osho met a comatoes state and brought it back to life delivering both critical services and infrastructure and u are trying to kill d man because of 1 bad road. i hope all d roads in ur states are tarred?
if d pdp government did half of wat d apc did edo pipo would never have complained

chiefoboh1:
He do small work 4 edo state 4 first term wey make dem re vote am but second term no work o na 2 relax wit Iara sure pass 4 am o

HEHEHE, first term was for benin, second term still benin but more etsako.

ochilikoko:
Indeed Trump is right. Nigeria doesn't have leaders, just imagine and rate the performance of one time comrade that was ranting durind d days of Obj

benin has had a problem managing water for as long as i can remember, the water flood many tarred road once the rain begins. It is very easy to insult oshomole but people who know benin and its water problem will tell u that among past governor only d osho has attempted to do sumtin substantial abt the flood.

U can go on criticising but i'll advise u to do a background check on benin, it water problem and wat osho is doing abt it.

Montaque:
If a budget is passed, or any bill at all, the president or the governor signs the official certified copy of it. So the details he needs are all in the copy presented to him for assent. This is just delay tactics.

the new article is saying it isnt there, they sent buhari a sumary.

nnachukz:
Surprised you are saying this. Who submitted the budget in the first place? Is there any addition made to the original material or reductions? If there are reductions as we know there are but no addition, so why the need for details since it is your original submission that even got reduced. OK even if there is genuine need for details, what are the job description for his many PAs? So we should still keep waiting for Senate for details, has it been so done before?

his PAs do not know what was added or removed that record is with the senate and unles they release it buhari has no idea wat he is signing.

Bjergtrolde:
The budget is HIS document. He presented it to the house. What other details does he want?

they also changed details in it, they reduced some allocation and added others. Buhari needs to know what was removed and added before he signs a budget we will use to flog him tomarow

Papist:
Here is St Paul: 1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness,

AMEN

Sacluxpaint:
No need for long epistle, you just shot yourself in the foot. Why are you doing as if Christ is a banker? Pay what in stages? After paying for ALL? Remember we are justified by faith( Romans 5:1) and not your canon laws. (Romans 3:28)

this shows u do not even understand the bible you read! Jesus died once and for all, the merits of that death is not applied at once but instead applied in stages.
A sinner repented and believe 200yrs ago, the death will be applied for him, his sins are forgiven, what if another sinner repents 100yrs ago? Is it not d same death that is applied? What if a sinner repents today? Is it not d same death? What about for sanctification? It is not by d merits of Jesus death? What if a christians fall into sin today and repents? Is it not the same death?

So yes the merit of Jesus is applied in stages in history and in our xtian life, that is xtianity 101. I'm suprised you are arguing about this.

We are saved by faith everybody know that but what merit salvation for us? Is it not the death of Christ?

If your new church hasnt taught u this much then mayb u are in d wrnng place.

gozzlin:
Lies! There is no iota of veracity in these claims.


There's no single place in the Bible where the death of any of the original apostles was recorded except Judas who hanged himself. Any other claims outside the Supreme authority of the Bible are mere conjectures and utter fallacy.

Besides, how can God allow His first apostles to die such gruesome deaths? I refuse to believe these myths.

the early christians wrote, their writtings are still available. Everything is not in d bible, d bible doesnt claim to record every point of history.

dolphinheart:
ube, if you had read my explanation about my understanding, an explanation which was listed, and if you had not deliberately omitted it when quoting my post, maybe you would have seen that there is no problem!. that you omitted it shows that you have nothing to use to counter it, you just want to argue and not discuss.
I gave you an explanation, go back to it, quote it and tell if I'm right or wrong (with reasons). pls stop cutting important parts of my post off

" , I just gave you my own understanding of God's command using the details given by the scriptures as guide.
1. The scriptures shows that the isrealites made images that where approved by jehovah for religious purpose.
2. The scriptures shows that the isrealites made images that where not approved by jehovah.
3. All the images approved by jehovah had a prior command approving it's construction
4. All the images not aproved by jehovah did not have a prior command.
5. There fore "do not make for yourself" could not mean "do not make for yourself any image at all" Since there is evidence to show that they did made images(for there own use) that has gods approval.
6. looking at the images God approved and disproved , we can conclude that "do not make for yourselves" mean "do not make for yourself any image without prior approval or command" as all image maDe without this where rejected by jehovah."

i'm not delibrately cuting out ur post. My palasa fone has a word limit, that means i have to cut down any long post so i can respond. I read ur story d first time, it is still the same thing.
I dont need ur understanding, i nid what scriptures says, it says "do not make unto thyself any graven image" or simply "do not make FOR yourself" that is what the word says, it is clear enough. "without my command" is not there, ur understanding cant be found in that passage.

Why did you cut part of my post, cus you know reading it will not allow you ask these questions, I'll answer you, but you need to quote my post again, leaving everything INTACT! cus the answers are in the part you deliberately omitted.

by the way, why did you refuse to respond to the points I showed to you, are they true or false?

sorry dear, d answer is not there, the preserved detailed instruction for d specific images i asked for are not there!

Your points are non seqitur, whether or not images were covered didnt stop anyone from bowing b4 it or knowing they are there. Infact d isrealite faced dat image wheneves they pray, i'm still waiting of d detailed preserved instruction records of several images, and since u admit that d images were buit from inspiration given to David, it only opens d question, when did inspiration stop? Pretty much ur points do not affect d discussion because ur understanding of ex 20 isnt found in d passage, what we do have are image that people bowed before as they prayed and God wasnt angry becos he knew they were bowing b4 what d images represented a parallel to what catholics and d early xtians practiced.

sukkot:
yeah its being around

it came around when u made it up.

dolphinheart:
you don't need to continue arguing , the facts , using the scriptures has been presented to you.
Good to know that you have accepted that the miracle in Cana was the first jesus ever performed.

i withdrew my statement so as not to continue a long arguement, i didnt say i accepted what u said, hope u dont have a problem with comprehension?

Sacluxpaint:
Your love for Vatican doctrines has blinded you from the Bible. You are using 1 cor 3:15 To deceive yourself, that means a test of faith not purgatory.

did u read the passage at all? He said it will happen on "the Day", do u know what that expression means in scripture? He said whoever works stand will receive his reward! That is not any kind test! That is judgement, "the Day". And d bible says even if my works is imperfect and it burns up God will still grant me salvation after i suffered loss.

U are d one who has been blinded from d plain meaning of scripture, open ur eyes and read!

Purgatory is another bondage of which Jesus has paid for ALL, has freed you. So you are saying I can sin as many times I like because of purgatory, that is not true.

stop trying to lie, i never said I can sin many times! I said even if i die with imperfection i will still make heaven becos d merit of Jesus speaks for me to grant me a final purification.
Christ paid for all but his payment is applied in stages, first as justification then as santification, as forgiveness...and even as final purification i call purgatory.

Remember the thief of Jesus right hand. He was granted automatic salvation, no purgatory.

did u die immediately after repentance like d good thief, or did u continue to live and even committed a few sins whether knowingly or not.

You catholics put yourself in bondage a lot, I remember when a Catholic friend of mine was saying 'ah even if I don't make heaven, I will make purgatory' just imagine! You mean after all your confession to a priest, you wil still end up in purgatory. Today that is Easter Sunday, he has risen for your salvation and not purgatory. I wish you happy Easter brother.

what does ur bible say in 1 cor 3:15? Yes ur friend was right if he is not among those whose works didnt burn, he may be among those whose works were burnt but were still saved. That is not bondage that is d word of God.

They said images of Jesus is idolatry so instead they put their own images there.

Great men.

PidginPriest:
I know Jesus made references to Jonah in the gospels, but can't remember him comparing his coming resurrection with the time spent by Jonah in the fish belle.

I don forget sey na pidgin my id demand me to speak.

Back to case. Jesus reference to Jonah na se if people of Nineveh fit change after dem hear Jonah preaching, then this people go come yab them for judgement day coz dem bin get person wey big pass Jonah (wey be Jesus) and dem no listen

i think it is matt 12:40

dolphinheart:
first thing first, pls dnt lie against me, on this thread, ive not accused anyone of bowing to any image. so pls dnt use a lie to claim that I lied.

now to the issue of the ark and joshua." Bowing before" is different from "bowing to". If you bow before something it means you are using that thing to achieve something, it does not mean you are venerating it. but if you bow to it, it means you are venerating/ worshiping it!

now the questions are:
1. did joshua bow before or to the ark
2. why did joshua do such
3. did joshua see the ark?

1. joshua did not bow to the ark , he bowed before the ark
Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining there till evening. The elders of Israel did the same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.

one can claim that catholics bow before the image of Mary but not to the image of Mary using joshuas example as basis, but reality shows otherwise.

what reality shows otherwise?

I'll like to ask, do they do it the same way as joshua did his bowing down!

and i'll say YES. Nobody venerate images 4 their own sake, the church is clear on that, what we have is relative honor, ie we honor what d image represent and not just d image 4 itself. That is what joshua did.

2. why did joshua bow before the ark.
The answers are partly answered by the next verse
Jos 7:7Joshua said: “Alas, Sovereign Lord Jehovah, why did you bring this people all the way across the Jordan just to hand us over to the Amʹor·ites to be destroyed? If only we had been satisfied to remain on the other side of the Jordan!

joshua was praying to Jehovah before the ark , lamenting their predicament that was stated in the previous verses.
but praying to Jehovah before the ark does not fully answer why he did so, why does joshua feel it is ok to pray to Jehovah before that particular image.? The scriptures gives us the answer below.
ex 25:22 - There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the covenant law, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.

lev 16:2- The LORD said to Moses: "Tell your brother Aaron that he is not to come whenever he chooses into the Most Holy Place behind the curtain in front of the atonement cover on the ark, or else he will die. For I will appear in the cloud over the atonement cover.

with this scriptures above , we can see that joshua is right to seek jehovah before the ark because jehovah has stated and had it recorded that his presence is with the ark!
Read judges 20:27,28, ; num 20:6

so bro joshua did not venerate the ark because of bowing down before it, but he was seeking the presence of jehovah. same as moses and Aaron.

weldone now u are helping me make my point. Joshua lies down b4 an image cos it represents d power of God

3. could joshua see the ark when he bowed down before it?
Noo, the ark was always covered when moved, and was always in the tebanacle or tent when not in motion.

Nu 4:5,6,15- Aaron and his sons will come in when the camp is departing and take down the screening curtain and cover the ark of the Testimony with it.
6They will put a sealskin covering over it and spread out a solid blue cloth over it and put its carrying poles in place.
15.“Aaron and his sons must finish covering the holy place and all the utensils of the holy place when the camp is departing. Then the sons of Koʹhath will come in to carry them, but they must not touch the holy place or they will die. These things are the responsibility of the sons of Koʹhath in connection with the tent of meeting.

could joshua enter the tent/tebanacle to see the ark when it was not in motion?
no ooooo! joshua was not a Levites, not a son of Aaron. If he had seen the ark , he would be dead!

this is non seqitur, it doesnt matter whether or not joshua could see d image, the issue is dat he prostrated b4 it.

[quote author=dolphinheart post=44150032]by the bolded above, you are telling us that if you perform a sign, you have performed a miracle.
I wunt go into the definition or differences between miracles and signs, I just want you to look at the same verse from other translations and tell me they are wrong to use the word "miracles" in that verse.
ube, if the translations are not wrong, then it means your explanation is false and you need to retract it!

King James Bible
This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

NET Bible
Jesus did this as the first of his miraculous signs, in Cana of Galilee. In this way he revealed his glory, and his disciples believed in him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
This first miracle Yeshua did in Qatna of Galilee and he manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Cana in Galilee was the place where Jesus began to perform miracles. He made his glory public there, and his disciples believed in him.

Douay-Rheims Bible
This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee; and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him

Webster's Bible Translation
This beginning of miracles Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee, and manifested his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Weymouth New Testament
This, the first of His miracles, Jesus performed at Cana in Galilee, and thus displayed His glorious power; and His disciples believed in Him.

Besides are you bold enough to tell us which bible or bibles translations that you use?

I'll await your response.
[/quot] do u notice that all the versions says that it was a miracle to show forth his glory as earlier defined a sign.
I'll rada not continue to argue this while leaving d meat of d discussion so i'll withdraw my explanation and let it go.

I use d new jerusalem version, douy rheim, rsv among others.

Netexpert:
But I learnt some time ago that Easter is patterned after the Jewish calendar. It is celebrated after the Jewish pass over on the Jewish month Nissan 14.

not really after d jewish calender, d early xtian rejected d jewish calender.

PidginPriest:
Not that he rose after 3 days, but....

He rose on the third day.
Ressuscité le troisième jour
Ressuscitou no terceiro dia.

Died on Friday.
He was dead on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday. But in the Sunday night he resurrected. Those are 3 days that knew his death.

Jesus said, as jonah spent 3 days and 3 nights in d belly of d fish...,
i guess the problem is about d 3 nights

sukkot:
yeah, the yorubaman returned to oduduwa in the sky, the igboman returned to the naira note while the chinaman made a replica copy of both of them and sold it cheap to tourists as a remembrance

never heard this one.

mikechrisgeneral:
Pls who's fixes Easter date?

the catholic church.

PidginPriest:
Jesus wash him paddy dem leg come tell us mek we do same.

All of us suppose comot eye from too much power we de show, try come low serve even d person wey small pass for we eyes.

#holyweek #goodthursday

hmmm

GlorifiedTunde:
I judge no man.

But the Bible never said when something is wrong, keep quiet.

You cannot wash the feet of a Muslim, Jesus only washed the feet of His disciples- His followers.

He said if I wash thee not, you have no part with me. How does someone who has not and will not accept Jesus as his only Lord and Saviour be a follower of Christ?

Why are you all hypocritical? Will Muslims do the same for you? No!

They follow their religion to the letter. Not like us.

I don't get you. Is it every time you point out a fault that you're JUDGING?

so judas was among those wu accept Jesus as Lord and saviour.