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Rich4god:
Happy Birthday Uben... Wish Kamsified is here, we for give you trouble today...

Anyway, plz fill my plate with the necessary things...

i have a feeling say hungry go finish you today. I never chop u con dey bring ur spoon come.

asalimpo:
SHe is an idol worshipper,
He is a true worshipper, can they get married?
Can they b happily married? Dunno.
Solomon married idol worshippers and forsook God.
It's usually the man who gets influenced by d woman.

nonsense

Freksy:
You seem to be a troublemaker! We keep ignoring, you keep bringing this question up...LOL

If Jesus lived for 33yrs + 6months, then his 34th birthday would have been on (33yrs+6months) + another 6months.

He died in the month of Nissan (which corresponds to March/April in today's calendar)

His 34th birthday would therefore have been on March/April + 6months = September/October.

For the 25th December to be true as the birthday of Christ, then, one of the following MUST be false:

1. Jesus lived for just 33yrs + 6months on earth.

2. He died in the month of Nissan

3. The date he died in the month of Nissan often falls on March/April in our today's calendar.

CONCLUSION: If none of the above is false, then it's obvious the 25th December speculated to be the birthday of Jesus Christ, is FALSE.

pls where does d bible say Jesus lived exactly 33yrs and 6 months?

SalC:
It's that day of the year again when we all need to rejoice and be happy with you and for you because it's the commemoration of your birth.

As you celebrate your birthday today.....my wishes for you are.......

God's guidance and protection
More fruitful years ahead
Spiritual advancement and favour
The peace and prosperity of your heart and mind
You shall be a blessing to you family and generation
Your generation and beyond shall celebrate you.
May heaven respect your knees whenever you bow them in prayers and may God harken unto your voice each time you lift it in prayers.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY UBENEDICTUS AND MANY HAPPY RETURNS!!!

amen and thank you dear,

how manage you remember my birthday? Did you write it in ur diary or something?

jnrbayano:
Merry birthday Ubenedictus.

May the good lord fill you. Amen.

amen and thank you.

omonnakoda:
I am sorry you don't sound like an adult or like a person with higher education. There is no evidence that This man called Jesus was born on 25 December , None!!

if all the proof in the thread means nothing to you then it doesn't make me immature, it make you close minded.

And yes, i have had higher education.

Godside:
Chairman , pls i beg , stop the rubbish you are saying . I believe you are educated nd you can read nd undastnd .

If you die 2day nd some pipu decide to create a name for you nd celebrate , its no sin but the bible say we shld nt add or subtract 4rm the bible . Who did christ gav the right to use christmas to replace pagan holiday .

All you al point r rubbish nd nt wat the bible say . Help ursf nd ur church , google the history of christmas ursf .

Peace bro

if u prefer to hold ur myth and won't listen to my points then i can't help u.
Continue believing d wild spread lie.

aim5:
How is it fact that he was born on the 25th? The 25th symbolizes the shortest day of the year and after Christmas, the Sun stays up a bit longer into the Spring Equinox. There's too much Pagan stuff surrounding Saturnalia/Christmas for one to call it a Christian holiday.

d shortest day of d year is not 25, d shortest day is d winter solstice which falls on d 22nd of dec. Correct urself.

pafestula:
Another Shekeau on the loose, I wonder where you people came up with date and time when there was nothing like calendar let alone of December +25 as at then, for your information nothing like education to determine date and time then, cockcrow woke people up then, even as at 1800 nothing like time and calendar.
I wont be surprise when you would claim that the white guy image used to represent Christ is the real Jesus Christ...though I didn't read your epistemology because the heading already makes no sense to me.

so in ur silly wisdom u have decided that there was no caleder at that time when there was even more than one.

You have resorted to calling me names and identifying me with a known terrorist, this is rude impolite and uncalled for.

Takara:
In other word you are not sure of the year but you are sure of the day and month!
Incredible

if u understood how the present dating system evolved then u will know it is credible.

Zoharariel:
Good job Horus!

I came across this thread earlier today & its contents is deep!

www.nairaland.com/2062066/dark-side-christmas-nimrods-tree

do u also share his thought dat christmas started in d 15th century?

tirexmanov:
blah blah blah...starting to fall asleep... during those days dere were no calender.. so how was it December... just saying

dis only shows ur ignorance.
There were about 5 different calenders around dat time. There was d hebrew calender, the egyptian calender, d roman calender, later reformed as d julian calender, there was even a variety of egyptian calenders to chose from.

Pls correct ur thoughts, there were calenders.

Equiano:
Op why are there no record(s) of the disciples of jesus celebrating jesus birthday on 25 of december recorded in the entire Bible, even after his death? Was Jesus such a dummy to even mention or celebrate his birthday throughout his 33 and half years on earth? Or did he forget?

dis is an arguement from silience.
Jesus told dem to remember his death, are u aware dat only john wrote down d day and he even forgot to write d year? D rest 3 gospel as silient.
Does dat mean we should not celebrate easter and good friday becos d apostles didnt write down d ful date?

D bible does not contain d entire records of all Jesus did and say, d only wrote a little according to d points d author initially set out to prove.

Takara:
@op since you are convinced Of the date of birth of Jesus, can you please tell us the year. I mean December 25 of which year?
Unless you want to tell us that you know the month and the day but you cannot confidently mention the year!
You see your life

i gave an approximate yr, it is harder to decide d yr becos in those day they didnt use AD, Bc, they used d AUC, it is believed dat the catholic monk who changed d dating to ad, bc made a mistake he factored in d reign of caesar but didnt factor in that of herod, if it is true den d date is btween 4bc and 1ad, dat is why i used d word "around"

VcStunner:
yes, issues decided upon by d early church has been utterly abandoned with d notion of aligning christianity with world modernization. Truth is, since the inception of the current vatican11 council and its present doctrines, heresies and apostasies, the one and true universal church of christ(catholic church) has continued to lose vital history. So many do not believe and will still not believe in this evidence for the very fact that who ever it is that has modelled their own xtian life don't let them see the other side of the truth. But at the very end, heaven will only be made by his grace, and non of this would matter anymore. Thanks for sharing tho, quite insightful.

u're welcome,
and yes it is true dat there has been some problems since vatican ii

2scorehigh:
Exactly!

Probably, the OP hasn't read the book Suns of God by S. Acharya. I guess by the time he does, he'll find out there are so many other God-men apart from Jesus like Horus, Krishna, etc. who were also born on December 25th!

my dear i am aware of d stories of horus and a host of other god wu were said to have virgin birth and other stuff like ascending into heaven etc. Anybody wu has read st justins apologia will know those stories and also how to refute them.

All u nid do is google st justin apologia, have a good read.

aim5:
Still, I doubt Christ was born on that day. September or March seems more plausible.

my dear, no one is allowed to pontificate on d things another person should accept. It is not my wish to force anything on u.

If u disagree, fine. It is within ur rights to do so

cocoduck:
Ignorance is a disease. he doesn't even know basic geography. Right now in Palestine and Israel is winter

u dont need to insult your "all knowingness", if u happen u read u would find dat i hv already answered this objection.

There is alway sheep moving from bethlehem to jerusalem even in winter, because d temple has a high demand for sheep.
Reply to Objection 3: Recall
that Palestine is not England,
Russia, or Alaska. Bethlehem is
situated at the latitude of 31.7.
Dallas, Texas has the latitude
of 32.8, and it’s still rather
comfortable outside in
December. As the great
Cornelius a Lapide remarks
during his lifetime, one could
still see shepherds and sheep
in the fields of Italy during late
December, and Italy is at
higher latitude than
Bethlehem.

This is not true, all ancient sources record dat saturnalia ended latest on d 23. I dont usually quote wikipedia bt it says as much.

aim5:
Saturnalia concluded on the 25th, it was also the day that they worshipped the sun god Sol Invictus.

Saturnalia was an ancient
Roman festival in honor of the
deity Saturn, held on the 17th
of December of the Julian
calendar and later expanded
with festivities through to the
23rd of December.

Dis objection has already been ansad

Crocz:
I swear by God, and the gods of yorubaland...both the new and the old, Jesus was not born on Dec 25th!



Dec 25th was a Pagan day for worshipping the Sun god...the Roman Catholic fix that day so has to stop pagans who converted worshipping other thing on that day!

Reply to Objection 2: Let us
examine first the cult of the
Unconquered Sun. The
Emperor Aurelian introduced
the cult of the Sol Invictus or
Unconquered Sun to Rome in
A.D. 274. Aurelian found
political traction with this cult,
because his own name
Aurelian derives from the
Latin word aurora denoting
“sunrise.”
Coins reveal that Emperor
Aurelian called himself the
Pontifex Solis or Pontiff of the
Sun. Thus, Aurelian simply
accommodated a generic
solar cult and identified his
name with it at the end of the
third century.
Most importantly, there is no
historical record for a
celebration Natalis Sol Invictus
on December 25 prior to A.D.
354. Within an illuminated
manuscript for the year A.D.
354, there is an entry
for December 25 reading “N
INVICTI CM Bleep.” Here N
means “nativity.” INVICTI
means “of the Unconquered.”
CM signifies “circenses
missus” or “games
ordered.” The Roman numeral
Bleep
equals thirty. Thus, the
inscription
means that thirty games were
order for the nativity of the
Unconquered for December
25th. Note that the word
“sun” is not present.
Moreover, the very same
codex also lists “natus
Christus in
Betleem Iudeae” for the day of
December 25. The phrase is
translated as “birth of Christ in
Bethlehem of Judea.”
The date of December 25th
only became the “Birthday of
the Unconquered Sun” under
the Emperor Julian the
Apostate.
Julian the Apostate had been a
Christian but who had
apostatized and returned to
Roman paganism. History
reveals that it was the hateful
former Christian Emperor that
erected a pagan holiday on
December 25. Think about
that for a moment. What was
he trying to replace?
These historical facts reveal
that the Unconquered Sun
was not likely a popular deity
in the Roman Empire. The
Roman people did not need to
be weaned off of a so-called
ancient holiday. Moreover, the
tradition of a
December 25th celebration
does not find a place on the
Roman calendar until after the
Christianization of Rome. The
“Birthday of the Unconquered
Sun” holiday was scarcely
traditional and hardly popular.
Saturnalia (mentioned above)
was much more popular,
traditional, and fun. It seems,
rather, that Julian the Apostate
had attempted to
introduce a pagan holiday in
order to replace the Christian
one!

I already ansad dis objection

aim5:
Jesus wasn't born on Christmas. Christmas has more to do with Saturnalia or Saturn. And Saturnalia/Saturn=Capricorn.

Reply to Objection 1:
Saturnalia
commemorated the winter
solstice. Yet the winter solstice
falls on December 22.
It is true that Saturnalia
celebrations began as early as
December 17 and extended till
December 23. Still, the dates
don’t match up.


Saturnalia is betwen 17 to 23 of december. Nobody celebrate saturnalia on d 25th

Horus:
Jesus Was Born In The Summer

Sadly, most modern day Christians think that Jesus was born on December 25, a date established by Pope Clement VII (1478-1534 A.D.), a Roman Emperor. He became Pope in November of 1523-1534. With that, it became believable that Jesus was born on December 25, a winter month. But the mere fact that the shepherds were outdoors in the fields tending their flocks, which they only did in the summer months, Jesus son of Mary was in fact, based on the scriptures of Luke 2:8 born in the summer. In Jerusalem during the month of December, it is very cold, and there is no way this child could be born in the cold.

During the high point of the summer solstice between June 23 through the highest point being June 26, when the sheep would be brazing in the field, is when Jesus son of Mary was born.

this is false information, if u claim xmas was set in the 15th century then what will u do to the testimony of christians of the 4th, 5th centuries downward and those of the second century dat i referenced? Throw dem out of the window to defend the 15 century thesis lie?

I already discussed d winter issue, isreal is no london dat has a severe winter. According to d rabbi sherpherd and sheep still make d jorney through bethlehem to jerusalem even in d winter (jerusalem's temple has a continous demand for sheep)

Kenneth205:
Answer Not A Foolish Man After His Foolishness Lest Thou Also Be Like Him

if this is what your wisdom is worth i do not pray to be as wise as you.

You make no point, u give no proof, u initiate no discussion and make no research, yet u dismiss my points and call me foolish.

God please save me from the wisdom of a proud man. Amen

santana45:
It has never been true and can never be true. Christ was not born on 25th December.

this is a plain statement without proof.

Go on and tell dear friend why it cant be true.

malvisguy212:
the mod will never put this type of thread on the homepage, instead,it's thread that question the belief of a Christian that makes the homepage.

Op God bless you for this.

amen, thank u

SalC:
I have been waiting for this thread! Now this is well detailed.
I would love to see the anti-25th dec Christmas fellows join this discussion, and counter it if possible.

I think we have so listened to those who are more interested in telling us that everything we do is wrong and forgot to do some research.

I may not have known all these but I must say this is more of a detailed research than anything I've read before now.


Bookmarked for further study.

Weldone Ubenedictus.
Wish the mods will place this on the homepage.
Seun, Obinoscopy, Ishilove, Mukina2

i was debating d issue abt 2 yrs ago, since den i thought of creating d thread 4 future reference, procastination prevented me from doing it last yr and b4 i could write christmas was ova. I found an original material online some day ago and decided to modify it instead of writting from scratch.
I thank God d thread could b opened dir yr

aaronson:
what is this one saying? *out of context*

u claimed dat pope julius created xmas, i gave u a link dat shows xmas predates julius.
Did u read d link?

starlingleanets:
I don't think bro.

so u may xplain ur previous comment

frosbel:
I want to correct some charges that have been brought against me by many religious people on this forum, suggesting that I am an atheist for debunking their myths and contradictions.

I am not an Atheist.

Of course there is God but I am sincerely beginning to doubt that he is the God of the Christian religion.

I have found out that almost 80% of what I learnt as a Christian is either an outright lie, a frabication or a heavy dose of scripture twisting.

Most of you know how fanatical I was a few years ago , fighting for the trinity , hell fire, Virgin birth etc . Well ever since I embarked on a crash course in bible history , it is only God who has prevented my faith from crashing.

No one who reads the truth will deny that there are fundamental issues with a lot of bible stories and scripture. To suggest otherwise makes one a liar and participant in the misrepresentation of God's truth.

I agree with the overall message of the bible ( for there are many truths therein ) , but I cannot agree that it is word of a God when taken as a whole. This is just plain fallacy. Yes , God through his Spirit speaks to us and agrees with the truths he has revealed without which almost everything will become suspect.

I am still learning and now reading a book titled ' The Authentic Gospel of Jesus ' by late Geza Vermes, Professor Emeritus of Jewish studies at Oxford university. He was a former catholic priest. I am also an avid reader of articles by Bart Ehrmn Professor of Religious studies at the University of North Carolina. Bart was a former Evangelical Pastor.

What I have discovered is shocking and not for the faint hearted.

To be honest , I don't know where my quest and thirst for more knowledge will take me , sometimes I am scared, but this search will continue and my results will be shared wth you my good friends and of course enemies on this forum .

In summary , I am not an atheist and can never be one , not in this life or the next.

I am now an unfundamental thinking believer of Yeshua or Jesus.

u are travelling a long road, d result will either be deeper faith or total indifference.

May divine light guide ur path.

Wen i saw d thread, d oda day, i thought it was a old thread i guess i was wrong

frosbel:
Starting with the ones you know and that I hold to be myth ;

- trinity
- Virgin birth
- hell fire and heaven
- tithes and offerings
- compulsory church attendance
- one pastor leadership model

These ones are bad enough, but the most serious ones are attempts by some gospel writers to tie their accounts to prophecies that do not exist , are half-complete or not related in any form or shape. None of the gospel writers were eye witnesses of the events surrounding Jesus , they were mostly anonymous authors who took on the name of popular people like Matthew , John etc.

The oldest gospel is Mark around 70ad with Matthew and Luke following and lastly John. John's gospel imbibed elements of gnosticism and Hellenistic belief to tell the story of Jesus to a mostly Greek audience. Matthew no doubt copied from Mark and made some refinements , many of which were presumptuous interpolations to deify Jesus and remove Mark's tendency to make Jesus look like he did not know everything. The account of Jesus's death and resurrection are not aligned and portray serious inconsistencies that cannot be overlooked.

I am still studying and will form a final summary of my findings and stance in the near future.

I still believe in Christ as the Messiah and his ultimate resurrection purely because of Paul. Paul's letters predate the gospels and were written nearer to the time of Jesus by as much as 20 years or so. This means he must have had real contact with the original apostles as he states , and was the one person who was able to articulate the whole concept of Jesus's death, burial, resurrection and purpose into a logical sequence of events pointing to the good news and God's ultimate plan for mankind.

By the way Peter did not write the epistles of Peter because he was an unlettered fisherman considering that the epistle was written in classic Greek which only the elites of that day could do.

Too many to mention, I am still going on ........".

i hope to find tym 2 discus some of these issues with u.

Na weytin dey do everybody wey dey d aux?
Sal c abeg call d register make dem ansa dem name.

B4 i forget, merry christmas