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plaetton: I agree with you hundred percent. The tragedy of betrayed trust affects everyone and lingers for a long time.

So, you do understand why someone who does not subscribe to religious faith would sieze upon this millenia long system of high crimes against children to highlight my own beliefs that religion is not founded on the virtuous and high moral principles that it claims, but on the opposite, as clearly exposed by the ongoing scandals involving priests: the trusted custodians of religious morality.

plaetton: Imaginary, you say?
hhmmm



I am guessing that is what, or part of what eventually got him booted out.

Did you say he did more than any other card to protect children?
Hhhmm.
At least you do tacitly admit that children needed protection from holy pious men of god.

Sunday Etuoka: children of God i like to know if one can go to heaven after repentance without restitution

tidytim: Similarities Between Islam and Catholicism The Roman Catholic Church and Islam Connection


1. Both The Roman Catholic Church and Islam believe that only they are the one true church/religion.


2. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam require mandatory fasting.


3. The Roman Catholic Church worships, prays to and gives titles of God to Mary. Islam highly esteems Mary and she is mentioned 34 times in the Qu'ran.

"Even the infidel Muhammed glorifies Mary in his Koran, saying, 'The angels shall say to Maryam, "Allah has chosen thee; he has made thee exempt from all stain'". The Marian (Roman Catholic) Bible


4. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam base their salvation on a complicated system of works and deny salvation by faith alone. There is no assurance of salvation in either religion.


5. Both cults deny the Biblical view of the Atonement. The Roman Catholic Church doctrine dictates that one must go to Purgatory to have his sins purged, Jesus just paved the way. The Muslims believe their works will save them but will not know until Judgment Day. This is because there is no atonement for sin, and God's grace does not exist.


6. The Roman Catholic Church claims visions and apparitions in an effort to add false doctrine. Muhammad claimed to be purified as a child by angels. He claimed to receive revelations from Archangel Gabriel.


7. The Roman Catholic Church uses a rosary for their prayers, Islam uses prayer beads. The rosary/prayer beads are concepts taken from paganism.


8. The Pope is the vicar or substitute of Christ for the Roman Catholic Church. In Islam, Muhammad is called the last and final Messenger of God, the successor to Jesus.


9. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have their own divorce system. The Roman Catholic Church grants anullments and Islam allows a man to divorce his wife by telling her she is divorced.


10. Islam rejects the Trinity doctrine, the Deity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith and teaches that Christians should be killed. However, the Roman Catholic Church accepts them and believes that they are offered salvation because of their faith in Abraham.


11. Both church organizations believe that leaving their church will result in eternal damnation.


12. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam share a hatred for the Jews.


13. The Roman Catholic Church and the Islam base some of their doctrine on pagan traditions. For The Roman Catholic Church the traditions of a goddess, rosary, pope, relics, purgatory, transubstantiation, praying to dead people, and idol worship are all based on paganism. The Allah of Islam was actually a pagan god, and not even the major deity.


14. The Roman Catholic Church and Islam have added books to support false doctrine. The Roman Catholic Church has added the Apocrypha and Islam the Qu'ran.


15. The Roman Catholic Church priest system (including Popes) has a history of sexual abuse of women and children. Islam has a history of (including Muhammad) sexual abuse of women and children.


16. Both religions believe in using FORCE to spread their version of the one true god to the unbelievers.


17. Both religions believe in a union with the state or of using the police powers of the state to compel obedience to their tenets.



18 Both religions have a "holy" shrine in which the believers are taught to look to as their headquarters

e.g. Mecca and the Vatican.

plaetton: He he he .
Here we go again.

The trumpets of imminent pious fraud are sounding.
They have started flying the kite for the future sainthood of this pedophile protector, Ratzinger.

What about all those molested children that he failed to protect?.
What will they be cured of?

What a world we live in.
Jesus must be crying in his grave, sorry, I meant hid seat in heaven.

Religion is madness.

A young American – who is now 19 and in his second year at university – claims he was cured of a chest tumour thanks to Ratzinger, who met the boy at an audience in Rome last year. Ratzinger listened to his story and placed his hand on the boy’s chest where the tumour was. Peter Srisch and his family appeared on Denver-based KUSA TV and confirmed their belief publicly.



Peter was 17 when doctors diagnosed him with a chest tumour after doing an X-Ray. "He had a chest x-ray and it revealed a softball sized tumour in his chest. It was determined that it was stage four non-Hodgkin's lymphoma," Laura Srsich, Peter's mother, said.



Peter was being treated at Colorado Children’s Hospital and while doctors tried to do what they could to help him fight the disease, he was also being looked after by the U.S. non-profit Make-a-Wish Foundation. The foundation works in about 50 countries across the world, offering assistance, including psychological support to children and young people with life-threatening medical conditions and granting each of them one wish. The Make-a-Wish Foundation was established in 1993 and has a strong presence in English-speaking countries but not only.



Laura Srsich said that when she spoke to Peter about it, the first wish that came to his mind was: 'I'd love to go meet the Pope in Rome.” His wish was relatively easy to grant and so a year ago, in May, Peter and his mother attended one of Benedict XVI’s General Audiences in St. peter’s Square. They met and spoke to him and the encounter had a powerful effect on Peter. "When I got up to actually talk to him I was struck by how human he was. It was a humbling experience for me to see how humble he was,” Peter said. The Pope listened to Peter talk about his trip and his illness. The boy then gave Ratzinger a lime green wristband with the words "Praying for Peter” printed on it. Ratzinger reciprocated by blessing him.



But according to Peter and his family this wasn’t just any blessing; or at least it was very effective. "Then he blessed me. He put his hand right on my chest where the tumour had been. He didn't know where the tumour was, but he put his hand right there," Peter explained.



A year has gone by and Peter has made a full recovery from cancer, he is in his second year at university and one day hopes to be ordained a priest. Benedict XVI’s resignation as Bishop of Rome and Pope only strengthened the impression Peter was left with after their meeting. In Peter’s eyes, Benedict’s gesture showed he put the Catholic Church above himself and his personal needs. A very humble gesture. “I'm going to remember him as one of the most humble people in the world, especially by this last act he is doing," Peter said.



A similar healing case was reported during John Paul II’s pontificate. An elderly Jewish American man was apparently cured of a brain tumour after attending a “private” morning mass with John Paul II and taking part in the Eucharist.

Bidam: This thread don turn to catholics and protestant bashing thread.Hehehehe.

The name protestant should be scraped off,who are we protesting against?

bizmahn: --

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Besides your hazardly pasted article has no source.

Ihedinobi: It was in page 45. He said, "The Canon was virtually complete by the early decades of the second century..."

bizmahn: All in a bid to paint the catholic church white & the protestants and pentecostals black.I wish u had a purer motive.It's even a greater fallacy to also insinuate that all protestants agree with Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS)aka eternal security dogma.You know thats crude blatant lie.Regarding Luther urging people to sin...where did you get that?

bizmahn: All in a bid to paint the catholic church white & the protestants and pentecostals black.I wish u had a purer motive.It's even a greater fallacy to also insinuate that all protestants agree with Once Saved Always Saved (OSAS)aka eternal security dogma.You know thats crude blatant lie.Regarding Luther urging people to sin...where did you get that?

Pentecostals don't follow luther,they follow the BIBLE & the apostles.The apostes are the true pioneers of christianity & not the catholic church.The apostles by the holy ghost pioneered pentecostalism.They didn't poineer the catholic church filled with mary idolization & other unbiblical & unapostolic dogmas.

Enigma: ^^ When you see your Anglican "friend", tell him that!

Enigma: Your source is irrelevant to me ---- insofar as it contradicts the words of Jesus Christ Himself: where two or three gather in my name there am I!




Show us where you find "pope" in the Bible?
Show us who was the "bishop" of the churches that met in houses as the Bible referred to?
Show us who who was "pope" and who was "bishop" of where during the Acts 15 council.

Enigma: All I know is that despite all its claiming of Ignatius, the Roman Catholic Church currently declares the Church to which Ignatius belonged --- "anathema"!

And before you go defaming them (as is the way of the Roman Catholic Church) tell us what the Church of Antioch did to earn the anathema from the Roman Catholic Church.!

Enigma: Jesus Christ did not!

The apostles did not!

The Bible does not!

None of these three says "nothing should be done without the bishop"!

You follow your "tradition" and we are happy to go with the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself that where two or three gather in His name, He is there!

And the Roman Catholic Church should stop being so idiotic trying to claim "jurisdiction" or "authority" over people who are following Jesus words over its "traditions".

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Enigma: Jesus Christ did not!

The apostles did not!

The Bible does not!

None of these three says "nothing should be done without the bishop"!




You follow your "tradition" and we are happy to go with the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself that where two or three gather in His name, He is there!

And the Roman Catholic Church should stop being so idiotic trying to claim "jurisdiction" or "authority" over people who are following Jesus words over its "traditions".

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Enigma: And here the duplicity of Roman Catholic apologists and the fraudulent sham of Roman Catholic arguments exposed.

1. They say their church is called "Catholic" because Ignatius gave that name to the church: but they declare Ignatius' own church "anathema"

2. They say Ignatius was a "Catholic": but they declare Ignatius' own church "anathema"

3. They say Ignatius is the one who says we must do nothing without bishops: but they declare Ignatius' own church "anathema"

I never said he asked; I simply asked you to inform him.

And obviously, I am making fun of your uneasy alliance --- both sides of it.

One side says to or at least of the other: 'you are heretics without apostolic succession and your ordinations/orders are absolutely null and utterly void!' And the other side says ......... (fill in the blanks)!

bizmahn: @Op. God reward your diligence at exposing such cunningly hidden frauds.Imagine insinuating that because he has lust & immoral mental attitude therefore its a must everybody has the same.
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It has always been clear to me that the manner of GRACE declared in that place will hide a SUBTLE LICENCE TO SIN.I've discerned these men from afar off a long time ago.Yet they are bold to open their mouth wide to crucify pastors & sects who are far better than them.Their heresies are even worse than TITHES & OFFERINGS they condemn.
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SUBTLE summary of their type of Grace is GO ON AN SIN BECAUSE MEN ALL HAVE SINFUL NATURE & CHRIST BLOOD ALREADY WASHED ALL FUTURE SINS COMMITED neglecting the fact that christs death also destroys the nature,tendency & propensity to sin if we pray through to it no matter how long.

striktlymi: Let me get this straight. You came to justify an obvious FALSE TEACHING because you are one of the organizers??

The ish with the prodigal son is only applicable to one who has forfeited all his bad deeds and made a decision to do right going forward.

If one claims to be born again but still continues in sin, the individual is no better than the next man who aint born again.

Any one who claims to be born again but continues in sin without repenting, does wrong and that wrong will ALWAYS be viewed as sinful in the eyes of God.

Enigma: Meanwhile, let me remind you of this!




When you find where Jesus Christ, any of the apostles or anywhere in the Bible says "nothing should be done without the bishop", call me!

Enigma: Is Ignatius' Church "anathema" or not?




I don ask you to tell your Anglican supporter that the Anglican "community" is not a Church but a "community" (of heretics? - your word earlier); and that the Anglicans do not have "apostolic succession". Not only that their ordinations/orders are "absolutely null and utterly void."

Ya own two mouths no gree you tell am abi na muscle catch you for mouth?

Enigma: ^^^ And the Roman Catholic Church is not speaking with four mouths? lol

Especially when Roman Catholics claim Ignatius but declare his Church "anathema."

Enigma: First of all: the Church to which the Ignatius that you are trying to rely on belonged is now "anathema" according to fraudulent and hypocritically two-faced Roman Catholics. (Edit: _{Deny this and I'll show you something else!} )

italo: ^^^

Now you're saying the Catholic Church is not God's Church.

But anywhere that 2people gather in Jesus name is God's Church.

How? Do Catholics not gather in Jesus name?

Enigma: First of all: the Church to which the Ignatius that you are trying to rely on belonged is now "anathema" according to fraudulent and hypocritically two-faced Roman Catholics. (Edit: _{Deny this and I'll show you something else!} )




When you find where Jesus Christ, the apostles or anywhere in the Bible says "nothing should be done without the bishop", call me!



What Roman Catholics are doing is actually worse than fraud. It is undermining and going directly against the teachings of Jesus Christ! Anyway, as I said before, Roman Catholics esteem their "Church" and their "popes" more than Jesus Christ or the Bible.

Enigma: First of all: the Church to which the Ignatius that you are trying to rely on belonged is now "anathema" according to fraudulent and hypocritically two-faced Roman Catholics. (Edit: _{Deny this and I'll show you something else!} )




When you find where Jesus Christ, the apostles or anywhere in the Bible says "nothing should be done without the bishop", call me!



What Roman Catholics are doing is actually worse than fraud. It is undermining and going directly against the teachings of Jesus Christ! Anyway, as I said before, Roman Catholics esteem their "Church" and their "popes" more than Jesus Christ or the Bible.

Enigma: You are saying that Jesus is present in a community of two or three Christians gathered in His name, how can they then not be His Church?

And look at your self-contradiction with your "Away from me" nonsense!

How can He then disown the community among whom He is present?

The lies and fraud of the Roman Catholic "Church" have evidently clouded your reasoning and logic.