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Boomark: Wanting to honour her has led you into idol worship unknowingly.

Ask yourself. Did Jesus dishonour Mary in anyway. How about the apostles? Who among them did not honour her?

Then how many of them including Jesus made her image and bow before it just to honour? How many of the apostles sat at her feet to honour her and make prayer request?

Mary is for all of us. What catholics own is an unknown image attributed to her which they use as prayer aid. A very wrong practice.

oga book u were so anxious to respond this because it has points u tink u can refute, but someone u unconciously jumped my post.

kokoye: I used to have wet dreams when I was young and 'full to the brim'.

Could those have been with spiritual spouses?

dont b deceived wet dreams are natural and psychological, u shuld only be afraid if u are a pagan. a xtian has already been delivered.

Goshen360: ^^^Ouality of post, not quantity. Whenever you speak, you speak like one who has been married to the word of God

amen, i just wanted to make sure u dont measure 'doing well' with agreement. God didnt bless me with much words but he did bless me with his word in my heart. peace and thank for d compliment.

Goshen360: ^^^ Hey, Ubenedictus, Whatz up son (of God); I can see you're doing well in recent time. Keep it up. You've spoken the truth.

hey bro goshen, thanks for the compliment.
May i ask how you measure "doing well"?

italo: Go on... Run away with your tail between your legs as you always do.

And in case you feel tempted to say anything...

Answer my question: where do you call anyone "leader" when your Amplified "bible" is clearly against it. (Matt. 23:10)

fire and brimestone.

italo: Why can't they form a "church" when you can form yours?

hehehe, it seem the contemporary definition of church is : "an organisation of people of similar religious interest especially linked with Jesus christ".

ijawkid: Go home and sin no more...

hehehehe, really funny, i believe he heard those words just before releasing d said statement.

D poets are around. Make i sit don look.

Chanchit: So he's just as controversial as his brother. Which xperience did his brother use, or is it the misyaning, what I know is that for the first time a Pope will suffer racism abuse, if an African gets to be named the nxt pope.

don't mouth ratzinger, by d time he became pope ratzinger was more experience than most (if not all) d card. Elector at the conclave including arinze.

italo: Jesus must terribly dislike hypocrites...you just have to read Matt. 23 to see this.

...But a contrite and repentant heart, he will never turn away.

Cardinal O'Brein (if truly repentant) might just have had his sins washed away and on his way to heaven... Perhaps, his shame now is part of his penance, purification and temporal punishment.

Remember the thief on the cross! He was a grevious sinner...but not a hypocrite...And he is in heaven.

Remember the Pharisees! They were sinners but pretended to be righteous...they are most likely in hell.

Matt 23:13,15: 13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. YOU YOURSELVES DO NOT ENTER, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

15 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a CHILD OF HELL AS YOU ARE."

yeah, if he is repentant he may have opened a great gateway of grace for himself.

wirinet: i do not think you can compare the catholic organization or any other religious organization or even confraternity with corporate body. The catholic church and religious bodies operate under charity, NGO and non profit organization laws, that is why they get away with anything. They do not pay tax even for commercial undertakings.

Priests are more like members of the organization than employees. That is why they use the word excommunicate rather than sack or termination of employment. Excommunication simply means any other member is not allowed to communicate with you, and any member can be excommunicated. Even at that you cannot compare laws made when Europe was under the tyranny of the church to modern day realities. Most of those laws have lost their relevancy as priest(catholic, protestants and even word of life Christians) openly break celibacy and funication rules, without any fear of excommunication.

correction d ultimate punishment for breaking d celibacy rule isn't excommunication, it is laicization. The priest is stripped of his "office". The bolded, i couldnt make sense of it as it relate to this discussion. Nobody is saying some ancient laws be applied here.

seyibrown: ..off topic but how many Catholic priests have been excommunicated for all the sekz they've had with all those poor kids and nuns!

Thank God u are aware that this is off topic

wirinet: What is ridiculous about the argument? What i find ridiculous is an employer dictating when, how and with who an employee should have a child with. It is more ridiculous for an employer to impose their personal moral views on the personal lives of employees.

I honestly do not understand why who a woman sleeps with or decides to have a baby with bothers others so much to the point of hysteria.

If a woman decides to have a child without a husband or buy a donated sper.m from a sper.m bank or even decides to adopt a baby, it is her prerogative. Please learn to worry about what concerns you ie, how to get a job, spouse, children etc, and how to contribute to make the lives of others better.

i just thought, mayb her lawyer will have a case if they can argue that pregnancy doesnt equal premarital sex, if they can they win the case. The school contract prohibit so and so sexual behaviors, d contract doesnt prohibit been pregnant, if it can be argued that pregnancy doesnt equal premarital sex then d school will pay. Pregnancy can b from artificial insemination and if d contract doesnt prohibit insemination then d lawyers have a case. This is a legal point of view.

wirinet: What is ridiculous about the argument? What i find ridiculous is an employer dictating when, how and with who an employee should have a child with. It is more ridiculous for an employer to impose their personal moral views on the personal lives of employees.

I honestly do not understand why who a woman sleeps with or decides to have a baby with bothers others so much to the point of hysteria.

If a woman decides to have a child without a husband or buy a donated sper.m from a sper.m bank or even decides to adopt a baby, it is her prerogative. Please learn to worry about what concerns you ie, how to get a job, spouse, children etc, and how to contribute to make the lives of others better.

i just thought, mayb her lawyer will have a case if they can argue that pregnancy doesnt equal premarital sex, if they can they win the case. The school contract prohibit so and so sexual behaviors, d contract doesnt prohibit been pregnant, if it can be argued that pregnancy doesnt equal premarital sex then d school will pay. Pregnancy can b from artificial insemination and if d contract doesnt prohibit insemination then d lawyers have a case. This is a legal point of view.

wirinet: Shut up. What is your business with how another adult wants to live his/her life. Does your working in public school mean you must define the sexual or moral life of others?

Seriously you have physiological issues, you mean you get disappointed when a teacher decides to have a child without necessarily getting married? And so should be punished for a purely private decision? So please tell me how a teacher's pregnancy- married or unmarried affect the educational, moral, psychological or social development of a child. Does a child even understand the implication of marriage, pregnancy and pre-marital or post-marital sex? It is bigots like you that would indoctinate little children in adult issues that they are not expected to understand until they are young adults.

You are an hypocrite also, so what should happen to male teachers that decides to father children also. Oh, they dont get pregnant. But they did engage in pre-marital se.x. So the problem is not pre-marital sex itself but pre-marital pregnancy.

I think you need to get a se.xual life - pre-marital or otherwise, it would help you ease your years of bottled up tensions and emotions.

abeg calm down, ur name calling gives me headache.

BagLova: Do you believe in spiritual husbands and sexual demons? share your encounter and how you managed to rebuke it. Are they real? What makes a Christian vulnerable to them? Thanks.

for a xtian, spiritual husband and sexual demons aren't real, dat is d type of tale an angry/hungry man tell kids to scare them.
Maybe they i realities for idol worshippers, but xtians have already been delivered from such.

ATMC: @moderndisc you mean to say christianity is not like every other religion...agreed...but d fact and truth remains dt it is a religion, agree?

yeah it is a religion, unless d definition of religion has changed.

Christemmbassy, who come b d supporter of evil??

The news is legit, he apologised on sunday for been a hypocrite and asks for forgivenes.
Dear lord, save me from d sin of hypocrisy.

Boomark: Yea!!

hehehehe, i'll let this slide.

Mary is not the way, she is not the mediator of the new covenant. Why then do you ask her to pray for you when the Lord has given you the privilege to come to him? That amounts to ignoring his call.

i thought u took time to study d passage i so painstaking posted earlier, clearly u didnt. What did d passage say? It say those of the new covenant have access to or rather are on d spiritual mont zion, a heavenly gathering!
I want u to understand one thing, i DONOT ask for mary's intercession INSTEAD OF going directly to God through christ, instead my been a xtian opens a new horizon for me, through christ who mediates d new covenant i now have access to God and all in "GOD's family". I donot ask for intecession instead of.... No! I go to God thru christ in d fellowship of d saints. The fellowship with d saints isn't a detour road no! My bible says it is d main road, i'm not at mont horeb seeing alone a mediator (moses) and some smoke and light (figures used by God), instead i'm on zion with God d fada, the mediator (JESUS), and d saints in heaven(paul, john, peter mary etc) and d saints on earth (me, etc). Infact im in christ and Thru christ i have access to d fellowship of d saints. I'm not bypassing christ, instead i'm keying into christ just as dat bible passage bear witness. I just dont understand how manage u dont understand dat truth. U are just missing a dynamic part of d covenant.

Ok o.
1 the saints never made an image of Jesus, kneeling or bowing before it.
2 they never made an image of Mary, neither did they bow nor kneel before it.
3 they never prayed to Mary to pray to Jesus for them.
With this plenty list of mine, i think i have done a great work in showing you a little of what the saints never did.

i'll keep this list for now, when we conclude d above discussion i'll bring dis list out and respond to it.

P.S. About the image, i have seen so many man made Mary images where the artist use Red paint to indicate that she is sheding blood. It is not a new thing.

this one isn't red paint, it as been occuring round d world shedding tears, milk or blood. The blood d statue wept was tested by d diocese of onitcha, it is real blood, i can't remember d blood group but d genotype is AA.

truthislight: why not!

As long as we agree that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

As long as we argree with this:

Romans 3:3,4

"For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Never may that happen: yea,
though every man be found a liar; let God be found true, as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are being judged." (Romans 3:3-4).
.............

On that ^ i stand.

i gat no problem with those passages, i thought i made that clear?






Can i now get my peck? Lolz

[quote author=math-diva]Am so sorry OP but your thread has been derailed by haters. I know this was not your intentions. In the spirit of Lent "forgive them for they do not know what they do" may God grant all cardinals jjourney mercies.[/quote]thanks, this was a consolation.

blaise01: simply put,judging 4rm d above cardinals re just d best to occupy d position. I pray they continue to make the correct decision 4 d betterment of the church & our faith.

i think there were some good guys non-cardinal pope. The ones a listed above were d bad eggs

truthislight: lol. You were wrong, not every body (all) see what you think you saw.

Common, debosky, come back let us reconcile nah!

Jesus said we should not let the sun to set with us on a provoke state.

Come o, you are still my friend.

Lol.

hehehehe, dis is a first. Does that mean i too will get d peck of peace.

frosbel2: I was banned for 2 days for calling the Pope the Anti-Christ

hmm

gidjah: d issue of tithing cn b very technical mst times cnsiderin hw u look at it,mst MOG,wil rather choose to b b on d defensive on mata of tithes,bt i sure no nw dat our shepherds r nw our levites(nt d ones hu do small biz hre n there,cntracts,et, ...they r nt worth bin caled Gods rep hre on earth.deut,lev, gave lots of clarity abt hw to pay tithe in terms of fruits of d land n nt nomey,so if my produce is farm produce,my tithe shld cme in fruit lik yam tomatoes,bt many mog hv reasoned for or rada wt God n choose to cnvert it in to money,...pst nw leave out very important matas n pick any one dat suits dem d bible speaks abt honorin d lord wt our first fruit,bt most min dny do such n gd enouf sme mog r really makin gd money out of ds,...nw hw do
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u measure first fruit,wen is first fruit time,week yr months,etc d new txt is so certain abt tithe,if we say christ has paid for lots of things lik sabbath,wt abt tithe??pls mod help put my post out even though its cmin late. God help us frm various min wt their style of doctrines,they only practice convienience n leave out others,pls if we hv catholics in d house,gd folowers do u pau tithes,??if nt y,?pls xplain to us.

nah! I don't pay tithes, it is a part of d old testament dat was abolished, making d tithe laws null and void. It isn't a divine law.

motobid: Have you read the story of how tithe started after the ascension of Jesus Christ? It was started by the catholics with the support of the government of the day. People were forced to pay just as its being done today. For us not to twist the word of God then we must all go back to farming so as to give the proper tithe we were asked to give, remember tithe is no money.

take this one easy, if u want to go historical on tithe at least get it right both ideas and facts.

2sa2: oh, this is ignorance at its peak. and who told you Mary is alive? Where in the bible is that written. She died long ago. She is not even recognised in heaven. If she lived a life of sin before she died she will still go to hell, God will not say because she gave birth to jesus she would be spared.

hehehe, so d dead dont go 4 judgement, they remain in their graves abi?

metti: My Brother it is not but that Richie whatever insulted me first for no reason instead of making his point. I apologise.

i appologise on his behalf if he insulted. I believe we can disagree without fighting.

truthislight: are you saying that yahweh's Judgemen/sentencing for those who continue in homosexuality is wrong?

did i ever say anything like this?? Truth weytin con b dis na?? I saw homosexuality is found in animals, how does that concern d fact that homosexuality is a sin? Oga truth abeg no bring dis leg at all.

Please answer, its like you and your scientist know what yahweh dont know.

Please produce a picture or verifiable evidence that it is a natural thing so that we know that yahweh is wrong.

i dont have d picture handy nor can i present research papper's on net. Google is ur friend.

For him to pass such a sentence, dont you think he knows what you dont know?

how does this concern what i said.
See me see wahala o!

U are trying to ease me back into d discussion, i'll oblige u.

Boomark: I did it consciously. As you know am a very truthful person.

really?

let me tell you more truth. It will be wise that you follow Christ now that you know the way. Mary is not the way. She helped ignorant people to know the way.

if u are speaking in d sense in which i'm understanding then i don't disagree with d above, mary isn't the mediator of d new covenant an thus she isn't THE way, she is simply like other xtians, like me, showing people dat this is Jesus and telling dem to "do what he tell u" (jn 2:5).

About fellowshiping with the saints, there are things the saints don't do. If they do things forbidding by God then you don't call them saints. Unless you are talking about dead people.

did u hear me mention dead people in d passage i quoted? I'll like to see ur list of what d saints can't do.