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Goshen360:
Abeg leaf me joor. Treat what I said not whether it's Calvin or not.....again good works are products of a saved life by Grace and not what preserve the grace saving life. What's wrong in what I said?

it is good to know who invented your teaching it tells us whether or not you are reading into scripture and ultimately teaching heresy.

you are pushing the 400 yrs old teaching of a man who was a lawyer by profession.

Nodogragra4me:
That Mary that makes appearances in different corners of the earth is not one of God's People. I mean the one called lady of Fatima. And not one single saints not living in this earth prays for you or anyone ...Intercessory prayer is from the earth based saints... Living people.

it is a pity that you are divorced from historic Christianity and instead hold a teaching invented 400 yrs ago that says the saints don't pray.

the fact that your 400yrs old heresy says so doesn't make it true. I hold the fullness of the Christian faith as taught and practiced for 2000yrs for all times. your new age heresy doesn't count for much.

You are deceived and it is a pity you can't see the errors of your man-made Church.

Nodogragra4me:
Your question was forme to show from your provided link where your church is re writing history to confront that of their victims ... I have already provided you with proof ...Google the pope yourself and what happened to him. And how he was returned because his replacement had or kept a secret wife

it is a lie you were told, it isn't true not even on Google.

as for the Croats and Serb it has nothing to do with Protestant it was between Orthodox and Catholics. and it was the Serbs who committed genocide not the other way round.

Ferisidowu:
I disagree with you Calvin didn't invent that view he only expanded it he talked about it more .. Not that he invented it

do you want to tell us those who taught such before Calvin?

Nodogragra4me:
You clearly didn't finish reading my rejoinder before reply ... The king was first a catholic and only fell out with the pope because he refused to grant him annulment. Then he protested and joined those against the catholic church. The pope in return excommunicated him and declare him anathema to the faith and promised whoever succeeded in killing him straight passage to heaven without the need for purgatory ... He had to defend himself and his throne and the state


That night he Croat and the Serb is still very recent ..The Croat are or were catholics and murdered the Serbs who were Protestant, when the Serbs had the opportunity they returned the favour and mass murderd the croats until America came to their rescue. ...Min the entire south America and Australia, this is what is being played out ...Revenge for the sins of the past.


Get this very clear, the Catholics murdered millions of Christians and Jews not because they were christians or Jews nut because they didn't include the belief of the catholic doctrine as part of their life. The catholic church didn't allow individual ownership of the Bible, it was a smuggled item back in they heydays of the catholic church.

lol.


King henry was excommunicated and you believe that is enough justification for murdering Catholics. you like telling long stories but it isn't true! sir Thomas more was murdered even before the king was excommunicated, Bishop Fisher was killed before the excommunication, do you know what they were convicted of? certainly not trying to overthrow the King. their crime is that they said they do not believe the King is head of the Church. so many more were murdered because they said the King can't be head of the Church not any plan to overthrow the King.

KingSango:
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The Masonic and Military Order of the Red Cross of Constantine is a three-degree Order of masonry, and with its "Appendant Orders" a total of five degrees are conferred within this system. Installation as a “Knight of the Red Cross of Constantine” is admission to the Order’s first degree. There are two more degrees which follow, and also the two other distinct Orders of Masonry (both Christian in character) which are under the control of each national (or regional) Grand Imperial Conclave of the Order.

The organisation heavily draws inspiration from the Catholic chivalric orders of Sacred Military Constantinian Order of Saint George and the Order of the Holy Sepulchre.

they copied Catholic orders and drew inspiration from them in their organization... that doesn't make them Catholic groups

KingSango:
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how does this group concern Catholics, united northern and southern Knight aren't Catholic groups.

solite3:
[ why will I pontificate over antichristian belief?
Y are u trying falsy an obvious fact. Every body knows catholic priest aka fada. Stop making mockery of yourself.

. this is called pride, you just feel like you have to lie about what Catholics believe even though you are clearly ignorant of it

read up what Catholics believe.

The one priesthood of Christ
1544 Everything that the priesthood of the Old Covenant
prefigured finds its fulfillment in Christ Jesus, the "one
mediator between God and men." 15 The Christian
tradition considers Melchizedek, "priest of God Most
High," as a prefiguration of the priesthood of Christ, the
unique "high priest after the order of Melchizedek"; 16
"holy, blameless, unstained," 17 "by a single offering he
has perfected for all time those who are sanctified," 18
that is, by the unique sacrifice of the cross.
1545 The redemptive sacrifice of Christ is unique,
accomplished once for all; yet it is made present in the
Eucharistic sacrifice of the Church. The same is true of
the one priesthood of Christ; it is made present through
the ministerial priesthood without diminishing the
uniqueness of Christ's priesthood: "Only Christ is the
true priest, the others being only his ministers." 19
Two participations in the one priesthood of Christ
154 Christ, high priest and unique mediator, has made
of the Church "a kingdom, priests for his God and
Father." 20 The whole community of believers is, as such,
priestly. The faithful exercise their baptismal priesthood
through their participation, each according to his own
vocation, in Christ's mission as priest, prophet, and king.
Through the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation
the faithful are "consecrated to be . . . a holy
priesthood." 21
1547 The ministerial or hierarchical priesthood of
bishops and priests, and the common priesthood of all
the faithful participate, "each in its own proper way, in
the one priesthood of Christ." While being "ordered one
to another," they differ essentially. 22 In what sense?
While the common priesthood of the faithful is exercised
by the unfolding of baptismal grace --a life of faith, hope,
and charity, a life according to the Spirit--, the ministerial
priesthood is at the service of the common priesthood. It
is directed at the unfolding of the baptismal grace of all
Christians. The ministerial priesthood is a means by which
Christ unceasingly builds up and leads his Church.

@ bold why were u denying it? The whole nation of Israel were priests?,where did you get that from?
Every Christian is a minister. There is no such special office as priestly office in Christianity.
In the new there is no ministry in Christianity called priesthood. Only Jesus Christ has that office as the high priest. The catholic having a separate priesthood like that of Aaron shows you how satanic that religion is.

you see how your ignorance of scripture is showing,

THE FIRST KINGDOM OF PRIEST IN THE BIBLE WAS ISRAEL.

Exodus 19:6
and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and
a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall
speak to the sons of Israel."

infact when peter called Christians a Royal priesthood he seem to be paraphrasing ex 19:6. yet that kingdom of priest were given ministerial priest to minister to them.

THE NEW TESTAMENT ALSO RECORDS A PRIESTHOOD FOR MINISTERS, that doesn't surprise me because the old testament is a shadow and a type of the new testament.

Romans 15:15-17 But on some points I have
written to you very boldly by way of reminder,
because of the grace given me by God [16] to be
a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the
priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the
offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable,
sanctified by the Holy Spirit. [17] In Christ Jesus,
then, I have reason to be proud of my work for
God.


the word translated as priestly service is hierourgeo : Strong’s Concordance defines it
as “to be a temple-worker , i.e., officiate as a priest (fig.): --
minister.” This classic (non-Catholic) reference work
states: “to minister in the manner of a priest, minister in
priestly service.” It also notes (from Joseph Thayer’s
Greek-English Lexicon ) historical etymological definitions
of “to be busied with sacred things; to be perform
sacred rites” (from Philo), and “used esp. of persons
sacrificing” (from Josephus).
Baptist Greek scholar A. T. Robertson, in his famous
work, Word Pictures of the New Testament (Nashville,
Tennessee: Broadman Press, 1930; six volumes; under
Romans 15:16; vol. 4, 520), provides the basic definition:
“to work in sacred things, to minister as a priest.”
Likewise, Marvin Vincent's Word Studies in the New
Testament (four volumes; New York: Charles Scribner’s
Sons, 1887; reprinted: Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B.
Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1946; vol. III, 174) states, for
the same passage:
Ministering ( ierourgounta). Only here in the New
Testament. Lit., ministering as a priest .
Offering up (prosfora ). Lit., the bringing to, i.e., to
the altar. Compare doeth service , John xvi. 2.
Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament defines
it as:
‘to perform sacred or sacrificial ministry.’ In
Josephus and Philo it always means “to offer
sacrifice” and often has no object. (hierourgia
means “sacrifice” and hierourgema the “act of
sacrifice.”)


so the ordained minister of the new testament officiated as a priest in fact the term is temple sacrificial priest.


that isn't the first time the Bible uses the priesthood image in the new testament.
st Paul also says there is an altar in the new testament, that altar is the Eucharist in 1cor 10

so just as the old is a type of the new so there is a high priest, a Royal priesthood, and a ministerial priesthood....

read your Bible.

SalC:
If I hear.....
You only gave him the location because you are no longer there.
So knowing the location now won't help him unmask your identity.

sal c, are you a witch or is it just the fullness of the holy spirit?

JMAN05:
Corruption of these kind is not unique to married bishops. People just get corrupt and go above board because of love for wealth etc. I assure you that you can find a single bishop who would still misuse church funds.

However, don't you think that one can serve as a bishop without his being a missionary? Is there a scriptural requirement that all bishops must be missionaries?

As for priests, I guess you are referring to your reverend fathers. Are they allowed to marry?

it is unique, an unmarried man as Paul wrote is able to put God first while the married guy is torn in two worlds. there is still corruption but it isn't as the time when we had married bishops.

married men may be rev fr in eastern Catholic Church and in few western Church

analize701:
The guy ran away

I am here, just don't have much time

samuelezekiel:
The cherubim wasn't part of the ark, it was placed on the ark.
I don't understand you. This is what I've been trying to say all this days "it's not the posture or image that Co statute worship" prostrating, bowing down, lifting hands they are just a sign to show worship, but that doesn't mean everytime I do all those that am worshipping, does jt?

then we agree

solite3:
the Mary can never be the mother of one before her except you don't know the meaning of mother.

a mother is someone who conceive and give birth to a child, Mary conceived and gave birth to God the son

KingSango:
You live in a dream world. Don't you know the Freemasons started off as the Knights Templar? Come on. Yall can't be that stupid in the most intelligent and scientific land upon Earth. Africa is not the dark continent but the great mother of mysteries and secrets.

If you play stupid again, I will have to stop posting in reply. I have no times for nasty little lies and games.

Ase

Love Sango





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sorry for you ignorance.

a Freemason is automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church, you are just ignorant of simple facts.

the Knight Templar was a military order of monks used during the crusades to safeguard Jerusalem from Muslims and other Christian lands. the King of France coveted their property and later made up crimes so as to execute them and collect their wealth... they were largely innocent men who were wrongly murdered for political gain.

stop romancing conspiracy theories

Nodogragra4me:
The catholics killed in England was in the defence if the state. When the king left the catholic church because if the pope refusal to grant him annulment, he made a proclamation severing England from the catholic church and making himself the head of the church of England


This the pope riled against and threatened him with excommunication which in those era meant a loss of his kingdom brput the lord's and nobles were already fed up with the catholic church and their rev fathers who enjoyed immunity from prosecution and therefore sided with Charles

The next line of the pope was to declare a kind of fatua against him promising whoever kills him a straight passage to heaven without the need for purgatory. The black Jesus known as Jesuit took it upon themselves and were massing in England from every corner of Europe, the king in trying to secure his kingdom went all out against them as threats to the state.... He won and reigned until he died of I'll health and was replaced by bloody Mary a catholic queen who once again returned England to catholism and started one of the bloodiest inquisition in history sizing men for having the Bible


Off course, that history of the Serbs and the croats is very recent for anyone not to know the genesis. The Serbs murdered the croats in their thousands for being Pentecostalism and when the Corata had their opportunity they returned the favour


In all cases, it has being a retaliation of the earlier acts if the catholic church. I wouldn't blame the Jews if today they decide to wipe out the Vatican because it was the Vatican that authorised their murder because of Jerusalem. ... Hitler said it when he met with catholic bishops and cardinal in Germany that what he is doing is no different from what the church had done for ages that the only difference is that his method was more effective.

lol.
it is okay for Protestant kings to murder Catholics but it is wrong if Catholics kill Protestant, sorry to say but you are a double speaking hypocrite.

Nodogragra4me:
At a news conference last week, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican's Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, the modern successor to the Inquisition, addressed the issue of why the church feels ready to concede error now, and not in earlier times.

Protestantism and the Enlightenment ''created a new historiography of the church, claiming that it was not just stained by sin but completely corrupt, so the church had to build up a Catholic historiography to combat it,'' he explained.

how does this answer the fact that john wasn't imprisoned

solite3:
@ Jesus nature as God predates Mary and has no relationship with Mary.
BTW if you refer Mary as mother of God, what will you call Mary's father and mother who gave birth to Mary? Grandmother and Grandfather of God? Lol.
I never said there are two types of Jesus.
One Jesus in two natures.
Mary is the mother of Jesus in the flesh but not in Spirit..That is why Jesus never called Mary his mother. Is there any place in the bible? He prefers calling her woman.
Jesus only respects and honors his heavenly Father not Mary.

Mary was just a vessel. The fact that God considers her to be a vessel to bring his Son into the world is already an honor to Mary. But calling on Mary to intercede for you means giving Jesus place to Mary. Jesus only honors Mary and Joseph t o fulfll the law. But Jesus is no longer under the law. He has ended all that on the cross.

stop teaching Nestorianism.


please do well to research before you come here and propound Nestorius's heresy. Mary gave birth to a baby not a lifeless flesh, that baby she gave birth to was God and man, she didn't give birth to the man first and wait for the God part of him to come. she gave birth to God incarnate

Nodogragra4me:
If one dies with all the qualifications you listed what then would be the need for the piece of cloth or the so called prayer of Mary from heaven which has not scriptural support, in any case.

because no qualification gets one into heaven, it is grace that opens that door that is why Catholics never wary in asking God for grace and asking the prayer of all Gods people.

Goshen360:
I no sabi Calvin....I teach scriptures. Good works are products of regeneration life not what preserves the regenerated life. What u think?

the first to interpret scriptures that way is Calvin, he practically invented the teachings you are defending.

you think it is scriptural because someone 400 yrs ago read that meaning into those passages and claimed that made his theories biblical.


you no sabi Calvin but you were taught his theories and told it was biblical.

solite3:
that is a lie catholic church teaches that only few men are priest under oath. Why do u still have priest?

are you the one arrogant enough to pontificate about my own belief?

stop assuming about issues you are ignorant of.

the Catholic Church teaches the priesthood of all believers, that is a fact, that you are ignorant of that fact doesn't change it.



we have ministerial priest because the same God who revealed that we are all priest also commissioned others from our midst to serve as ministers of his word and mysteries. Just as God made the whole of isreal a kingdom of priests but appointment the sons of Aaron to minister to that kingdom of priests.

Prosper123:
What of one of the ten commandment that catholics removed. The one about having graven image. Will the pope correct that one. Afterall, I think it is more important than the Lord's prayer. Just saying

the Catholics didn't remove any commandment. we have the complete commandments including the one about graven images.

don't lie about things you're ignorant of.

jnrbayano:
...they send you? lol

locating that parish is as easy as ABC but I think he prefers to remain anonymous.

it is very easy okpuno isn't far from awka market

SalC:
You think? Lol
You better go and make sure you find out the place.

The way you were pestering Ubenedictus, like you wanna fry beans with his location.

lol,

I had to give him a location this time...bayano doesn't care much about someone trying to be anonymous.

but I give him an A for persistence.

Goshen360:
Wetin I do naw? Which calvinism?

lol the stuff you are crying about is sola fide and sola gratia, and you seem to explain them like Calvin

petra1:
I think your point is “FAITH WITHOUT WORK IS DEAD”

yes that is the point

joshnes:
I think english has not done you justice here. Using the word "preserve" changes everything. Works are very important, they show who we actually are to the world, they give glory to God (Matt 5:16). We are actually saved to wrought good works, because after being saved, your works will be tried in heaven (Matt 25: 32-46). But nowhere in the bible is it suggested that we are "preserved" by works. Our faith in Jesus is actually shown by our works (James 2: 14-26). Faith Without Works Is Dead.

maybe the word preserve let him down, but he does have a point. Jesus told the parable of the vine and he told us that the guy without works AKA fruits will be cut of, which means the branch the continues in good work is assured of not been cut off.


in that parable works is presented as a test by which people are cut off or remain in the vine.

enshy:
Good day sir, I admire your write up!
But sincerely sir, both salvation experience and it's preservation are of Grace but evident by works.
Everything about christianity is Grace and Grace alone!
'Now unto Him that is able to keep us from falling and presents us faultless'
For without Jesus, we can do nothing!

the God who created you without you will not save you without your cooperation

Goshen360:
This is complete nonsense! Your summary is wrong and heresy! Why would your good works preserve your salvation if you never wasn't saved by the good works in the first place?

lol, Goshen and Calvinism

Tankotanko:
That is the crux of the matter. Freeze still leading. Attempts in bringing in traditions as expressed by the Catholic priests never add up. Mixing Christianity with paganism. No way. Truth is sacrosanct, Daddy Freeze, Bravo n more grease

weytin concern Catholics for this issue.

please note



"Also, Catholics are under no obligation to pay a
certain percentage of their income to the church as a
tithe. In the early history of our church, the priests
depended upon the generous support of congregations
for their sustenance. This custom was based on the
New Testament instruction: Jesus taught the apostles
to depend upon charity when He sent them on a
mission (see Matthew 10:10)"

the tithe problem is a Protestant one, don't robe Catholics to your palava

Bidobado:
Exodus 20:4, let it marinate in your heart and your head.

off topic. it seems your aim is just to bash Catholics, you'll prefer to bash Catholics rather than to address the solid point the Pope made.

babestell:
My parish mater Misericordia doesn't have issues with ladies wearing trousers. Especially on normal days. however some people have constituted themselves "moral police". and go around "advising" women most especially on their dressing. I am waiting for the day one will jam me AFTER i receive communion, they usually come before mass or after confession, so I can't give them the tongue lashing they deserve.

lol no beat sumbori oh.

jnrbayano:
..yes

okpuno awka, it is the only parish around pope John Paul seminary and the retreat center next to spiritual year.