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bizme:
What do you think?

Churches (not all tho) have become no more than a circus, a place to feel good, a place to get cheap entertainment (especially if your Church has enough money to spend on the choir department), and a place to gossip about events happening around in the society. Well, we throw in the Word sometimes, but strictly from the G.O.'s perspective....

It should be possible to sit in one's home and practice one's Christianity without having to subscribe to the sedate hypocrisy...

home alone Christianity is a toxic brand of Christianity, Christianity isn't just a personal religion, it is a communal one that is why Jesus himself established his Church and made his apostles servants and leaders of same.

this assembly of the called out ones, the ecclesia is a visible reality established by Christ through his apostles to proclaim his word, celebrate his truth, mentor his children and bring them to participate in the life of God and into the inheritance of their salvation. that is God's will for every Christian which is why the apostle Paul instructs us not to neglect the assembly of God people the Church.

That very Church Christ established 2000 yrs ago through his apostles ministry has continued to exist since from 33 ad, to 100ad, 200ad, 400ad, 700ad, 1000 ad and even today Nov 2017. That assembly that Christ himself promised to be with for all time, which he promised the gates of hell will never prevail against... that assembly still continues today preaching the gospel as it has been taught all through the centuries from ancient times. Look around, find that assembly and serve God in his Church.

God bless you on your journey.

Emmanystone:
Bible passage please.

For the inner sanctuary he made a pair of cherubim out of olive wood, each ten cubits high. One wing of the first cherub was five cubits long, and the other wing five cubits—ten cubits from wing tip to wing tip. The second cherub also measured ten cubits, for the two cherubim were identical in size and shape. The height of each cherub was ten cubits. He placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple, with their wings spread out. The wing of one cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the other touched the other wall, and their wings touched each other in the middle of the room. He overlaid the cherubim with gold. On the walls all around the temple, in both the inner and outer rooms, he carved cherubim, palm trees and open flowers. He also covered the floors of both the inner and outer rooms of the temple with gold. For the entrance to the inner sanctuary he made doors out of olive wood that were one fifth of the width of the sanctuary. And on the two olive-wood doors he carved cherubim, palm trees and open flowers, and overlaid the cherubim and palm trees with hammered gold. In the same way, for the entrance to the main hall he made doorframes out of olive wood that were one fourth of the width of the hall. He also made two doors out of juniper wood, each having two leaves that turned in sockets. He carved cherubim, palm trees and open flowers on them and overlaid them with gold hammered evenly over the carvings.
1 kings 6

Emmanystone:
By early Church you mean the Catholic i believe? Yeah, the Catholic Church don't work/walk with what the Bible instructs.

yet they canonized the Bible,
respect ur elders.

godisgood200:
You mean Adam, Abraham, David, Daniel and the rest were Christians?

yeah, they were the Church in their time.

efficiencie:
Institute of religious work indeed...such a horde of cash is mind boggling! I am not challenging the Vatican it is you challenging people who got their wealth through gifts from many who were gave of their own free will...What a man does with his wealth is not your business provided what he does does not conflict with your fundamental human right...

...and for your information, these men have done and are still doing a lot with their wealth. If they do it in the open for you to see, people like you will call them showy and if they do it in the secret people like you will call them conmen...Jude 1:8; Jude 1:10

for an organization that spends BTW 2-4 billion yearly on charity, 10 billion in assets isn't mind blogging, if they don't have those assets how do u think they'll do charity.

Emmanystone:
That's for those who don't walk by the precepts of the Bible. If you do, you'd find it in there.

where does the Bible says it is a record of all Christian practices?

bionixs:
you are smart but how does catholic raise the billions she spends?

the Catholic church has been around for 2000yrs, donations, offerings etc are reinvested by the Church and used as an source of income.

solite3:
the younger lady cannot lay claim to be the mother of an older lady nothing like reincarnation.
God the father didn't give birth to Jesus rather the relationship.

@ bold you have contradicted yourself. Which means Mary is only the mother of the Jesus in the flesh not as God and when Jesus died that relationship ended.

if either was God in the flesh then the younger lady can give birth to the eternal God.


stop teaching Nestorianism, there are not two type of Jesus, from conception Jesus was both God and man and Mary gave birth to him with those natures together.

solite3:
that means you agree that there is a diff btw Jesus as a man and Jesus as God. Jesus humanity started from Mary's womb but his divinity has no beginning

there is only one just who is both God and man from conception not 2 Jesus one man the other God, stop teaching Nestorianism.

solite3:
Jesus was already the Son of God before he became man through Mary.

of Course and Mary conceived and bore a son who was both God and man, she thus bore God the son thus she is theotokus

NoToPile:
What a thread.

I have realized that some do place tradition/history over the bible.

All I know is the bible is the final authority in all matters of faith and conduct.If it can't be proven from the little scriptures we have then its not real .

If you don't follow biblical principles then you are wrong.

Its that simple.

is there anywhere the Bible claims to be the final authority on rule and conduct?

otr1:
The state? You mean the pagan Rome in conjunction with papacy? Since when has it become the role of the state to censor religious beliefs? Wrongful translation of the Bible, like changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? Justifying the worship of images? Tell me who misinterprets the bible better than the Catholic Church?

actually till the 18th century it was the rôle of the state to support certain religious beliefs and sanction others,. even in biblical times, it was the job of the kings included supporting Judaism and stopping other religion... it is so even after Christianity became the religion of the empire, it was the duty of Christian kings to support the Christian religion and merely tolerate others. Even Protestant kings supported Protestant churches and had no problem dealing with Catholics. The Catholic Church didn't tamper with scriptures even the Sabbath laws are found in Catholic Bibles unlike you Protestants who removed 7 books from the old testament and condemned so new testament just to forward their false teaching.

It's a common knowledge that the followers of Christ were first c alled Christians in Antioch (Acts 11:26). Yes, bible simply means "book" which is exactly what it is, a book.

yet there isn't a single place where a follower of Christ called himself a Christian nor is the Bible mentioned in the Bible.

Yes, seeing the way most of the churches were compromising with pagan doctrines, they must Catholics

. lol

so which Church was uncompromised ?

brocab:
Uben what is wrong with you, are you lying through your teeth once more, every time you are loosing an argument, to try and lay your guilt elsewhere, again it's me, fight your own battles.
I don't re-core I have ever spoken to you on this subject? As you claim to be a man of God, stand as one, don't keep on crawling back to no mans land, a true man of God would explain himself to God. Repent Uben..
Take note, this is one of my old sayings I had written back in time>Keep on lying-you will keep on dying..

must have mixed ur username with that of johnw7. sorry it's a mistake.

efficiencie:
does he have to have a private jet to be a clergy man that lives an obvious extravagant life! Just typing vatican's wealth into the google search engine shows Roman Catholics: The Vatican's Wealth. Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. ...what is the Vatican doing with such a horde!? If you must point fingers against men of God and churches that have enormous wealth at their disposal then why leave out the Vatican?

In the words of Jesus Himself John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Vatican wealth isn't Pope's wealth, the same Vatican with 10 billion spends BTW 2-4 billion dollars yearly on charity. That money is Church money even the pope can't spend it on himself. I'll be happy to accuse the pope too if he personally had or spent such money but of course I know he doesn't have access to it because it is held by the institute of religious work for charity.


what does ur pastors do with what they own?

Nodogragra4me:
To apologise is to make the satanic doctrine of infallibility useless ...Vatican can't apologies....Unless they do away with the satanic and blasphemous doctrine of the infallibility of a man who in some cases was helped by olosho to that office


Some popes were put in office by their mistresses-six by a mother-and-daughter pair of prostitutes. Theodora of Rome (wife of a powerful Roman Senator) was most successful at this strategy. She manipulated Roman politics by exploiting the fact that her daughter, Marozia, was the mistress of Pope Sergius III. Known as "the mistress of Rome," Marozia did not hesitate at murder to accomplish her ambitions. Theodora herself was mistress to two ecclesiastics whom she maneuvered in quick succession, after Sergius's death, onto "Peter's throne"-popes

infallibility only concerns doctrine, apology concerns evil some Catholics may have done.

doctrine is infallible doesn't mean some don't act against those right doctrine.

when you wish to accuse people who lived 800 yrs ago, present an unbiased source from 800 yrs ago not hearsay.

Themandator:
The pope is the supreme head of both ...Whatever you trying to achieve by your so called separation is neither here nor there

but there exist a separation that you can't deny

Themandator:
You are not correct for the crusade and inquisition were against Christianity and Christians against the satanic doctrine of the catholic church that ascribes infallibility to a man ... A very recent one is the croats and Serbs ...The same issue made the eastern orthodox church to break away from the catholic church


Get it right ..,the only time the church mobilised against Islam was in Jerusalem and after driving out the Muslims they turned against the Jews and other Christians in Jerusalem and incinerated them in thousands


The catholic church is in practice, the gate of hell against Christianity

the crusade was against Muslims both d 1, 2,3 and the minor crusade like that of Lepanto, the death of Jews were those who fought with the Muslims, the Orthodox Christian in Jerusalem weren't killed.

many things contributed to the Orthodox schism but infallibility wasn't there, there was the filioque and various political cum cultural issues.

Themandator:
Dint be clever by half .Other pope runs the Vatican city as well as the holy see.... The Vatican is the only 'country' without a body of law makers but the pope ...No one knows her budget nor approved same but the pope ... It is the most secretive government known to man and yet Jesus was open and thought everything to others

the holy see is different from the Vatican state even though both are headed by the Pope, the holy see refers to the head quarter of the Church the other is more of a sovereign geographic location with it own laws and ability to enter international agreement and send diplomats.

the budget of the Vatican and the holy see is actually non secretive, it is handled by the Secretariat of the economy and an economic council, they approve the budget. it is also published in newspaper, you can even Google it. the net income and net expenditure and even deficit. it is not good to lie about things you are ignorant of.

http://www.news.va/en/news/budgets-of-the-holy-see-and-governorate-of-vatican

Themandator:
A good catholic doesn't know jack but what he is told to know ..There is a cannon to that effect ..,he is only told to know how to defend the atrocities of the church starting from it paganization by Constantine who merge paganism and Christianity.

He is a Rev Fr. And it is not my first encounter here with him.

My collections on the catholic church is enormous so I write from factual accounts from fellow catholics who remained so till death


The catholic church is actually the gate of hell against Christianity

you are mistaken again.

Whatever evil is perpetuated by ministers, the Church makes sure records are kept, that is why you have an idea what happened 800yrs ago because the Church kept record. there is no canon that prevents a Catholic from reading factual history.

Constantine didn't paganize Christianity,he tolerated it and legalised it.

the Catholic Church is the Church established by Christ from ancient time, I'm not surprised to find ministers who did wrong things, to err is human but even though those evils, God has kept and preserved his Church while sanctifying those within her. even Jesus chose a Judas, I am not surprised more appeared through the centuries just as Jesus said they would, but the gates of hell never prevailed.

bionixs:
how old is catholic church and what is their population? How old and what is the population of those churches you look down on? Going by their sizes and income capacity, you will discover that their charity have dwarfed catholic just in less than 30 years. Big fish should fetch big wood and small fish,small wood. When tithe and offering are paid to smaller churches, it becomes scam .does the money catholic church spend drop from heaven? It is only in catholic church I saw a dead man being tasked to pay up accumulated dues through his sorrowful surviving family member before he could be buried. should it be other churches which don't do that, NL would be raining curses on pastors. you can't do God's work without money. No church compel people to pay tithes,it is a matter of choice. It is the duty of the pastors to preach it. I can't live without it. If the reverend stops it,I will go and pay it to other churches

Catholic Church is 2000yrs old, 1.1 billion members.

the Vatican run charity caritas alone spends 2-4 billion dollars annually on charity, the us bishops spends over 10 billion annually on charity, not to talk about the Jesuits or the rev sisters or the bishops of Europe and Africa. I didn't look down on ur churches I simply responded a post that says the pope is a new comer in charity... that is silly.


the last time I checked the Catholic Church doesn't have dues talkless of compelling dues...,only voluntary organization within the Nigerian Catholic church levy agreed upon dues, and that money doesn't go to the Church, it is used within those organizations. if a member is celebrating or late and has lapsed in his dues the organization may ask the priest talk about it with the family but a priest forbidden from denying any sacrament or burial on the basis of money

johnw74:
Jesus flesh is real food, figuratively speaking,
but you of course uben haven't a clue, and you think you eat Jesus physical flesh


if you have a problem with what brocab say's then ask him about it,
duh oh confused uben

you see yourself?

it is real food and figurative at the same time? don't you know figurative is the opposite if real.

it can't be real and figurative at the same time. chose one.

as for me, I agree with the Bible it is real not figurative.

Nodogragra4me:
Only your kind APIs received by those charade if seeking a gift to raise money ... I have mentioned you with just the artifacts in France ...The pope official residence is many times the cost of any aircraft in the world
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neither the popes residence or the gifts in Lourdes were stolen, so where are the stolen artifacts u talked about?

Emmanystone:
Bible passages nah. U dey lie.

as if your Bible contains every early Christian practice.

godisgood200:
What is Gods (YHWH's) religion? What was the name of the religion he gave to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Daniel all the kings and prophets?

When Jesus came, what was the name of the religion he gave to his disciples?

the belief totally revealed by God with power to save man, I.e God's religion is called Christianity

paxonel:
Where in the scripture?
Also note that THE CHURCH and church are two different thing.
THE CHURCH is the saved people, which is the body of Christ.
while church is church building where people go every Sunday. That one is religion, we were not expected to be doing all that. Going to church

I clearly said "the Church"...


religion is belief in a supreme being, Christianity is thus a religion

Saverin:
False.

true

Christianity without the Church will be like religion without God

You know a doctrine is false when it is invented by a man over 1600 years after Christ.


Once saved always saved is an evolving doctrine invented by John Calvin in the 16th century, and taught by his adherents as reformed theology. it is a theological invention, invented by a lawyer who thought of salvation in purely legal terms.

the totality of the teaching is called TULIP.

T for total depravity
U for unconditional predestination or election
L for limited atonement
I for irresistible grace
P for assured perseverance of the saints.


when you add these 5 weird teachings of Calvin together you get the teaching called once saved always saved.

automatix:
it is not a lie...this is the first person to break that rule./

not really,his father went out of Bini from time to time, ancient obas went out for wars etc.

Deban:
There aboriginal Ijaws in Edo State (Gelegele axis), Onfo State (Arogbo, Ilaje axis) Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa Ibom (Obolo-Ndpni axis).

Why won't Olodiama in Edo State have their own traditional ruler?

It is like saying because the Ikeerris are majority in Port Harcourt, the Abuloma or Okirika speaking people should be under the Eze Apara Rebisi.

The Gelegele or Olodiama people being Ijaws cannot be under the Oba of Benin. Oba of Benin should rule over Beni or Edo speaking people and let Ijaws have their own king.

The IYC is on the matter. They have sent a message to the Edo State goverment not to mess with the Olodiama community, and also congratulated the Pere of Olodiama who is recognised in the Ijaw traditional council.

The Edo State government dominated by Benin people do not have army or police. How do they want to face Ijaw people who control majority of Tue militants. Even the Federal Government is unable to win any war against Ijaw people. The best the government does is negotiate which necessitated the Niger Delta Amnesty. The Federal government had to succumb to the fact that the army cannot subdue the Ijaws and let Tompolo be.

ImagineTompolo, Ateke, Asari Dokubo sending IIjaw boys to take over Edo state, even the Oba of Benin will run from his palace.

One thing we have learnt is not to mess with Ijae Youth Council and militants. Benin people will not be able to stand Ijaws in any communal crisis. It should he avoided.

Peace is priceless. The Edo State government should pursue peace and do away with modern slavery. Let Ijaw people have their king. Why should Benin king rule over Ijaws. It is like the same thing happening in Ilorin where an Emir is ruling over Yoruba people or in the North where Fulani emirs rule over indigenous people.

Crisis loading in Edo state. They should dialogue and pursue peace.

a king isn't just king of his people, he is king of the land.

ovia lg is the immediate territory of the Oba of Benin, you can't just manufacture a king where there was none just because the state government want to develop the place.

Edo people have been in ondo for years and yet they didn't manufacture a new title for themselves, you won't find an enogie in ile ife, why will the ijaws manufacture a king out of thin air? that is trouble making.

ijaws have been in Edo for centuries they came with the water and populated riverine area yet they were all under the oba because the oba is overlord in those lands, now obaseki wants to build a seaport in gelegele they decided to crown a king in the obas backyard.

shouting militants etc will not help no one has monopoly of violence, you won't intimidate the oba in his backyard by threatening him with militant. you can't crown a king in someone's territory. stop manufacturing kingship were there was none.

jonnytad:
Ode post, u better wakeup.

The Pope that has his own opulence largely cos of his prime position in world economy. He is almost an economy himself. The papal chair is gold plated same as many ornaments in Vatican City.

yet he doesn't own a private jet

Jbleenk:
Does daddy freezer not know Catholic Church is the richest organization in the world? His condemnation should be directed to Catholic Church more than any other church.

it is also the largest giver of charity in the whole world.