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Kobojunkie:
So I hope you see now how not ALL Slavery is wrong. I am not quick to condemning most everything without considering all possible sides is my point here. In some cases, I accept an absolute answer but in other cases, I am open to considering sides and weighing evidence, just like everyone else is , LMAO!!!

Slavery is a social-economic system under which certain persons — known as slaves — are deprived of personal freedom and compelled to perform labour or services
@ Kobo,
Is it just me or do u always tend to misconstrue or generalise terms. How does the tale of the rich man and the poor guy relate to slavery. He is working to pay off his debt , within a specified amount of time. Technically, he is earning a living. How does to relate to the kidnapping of the black man from the continent of Africa and sold to work on plantations because that was all they were supposedly good for.

And again u are trying to tie up prejudice and instinct onto one apron. Thos words are not the same. Instincts elicit a biological response (tho sometimes u might be unaware of it) like adrenaline rush or sth. Prejudice does not have anything to do with that. It is purely a pre concieved idea based on other people's experiences, facts , opinions or even hear say.
U dont need social contacts to develop ur instinct. It is a congenital thing. However, social contact play a huge role in defining what is good or bad and in turn defines our prejudices.

Still dont want to confuse intuition with prejudice.  

Anyways, U guys have a gd nite.

4 Play:
I think the young men will beg to differ.

I would say that the point about discrimination is to a certain extent irrelevant for prejudice can be present in the absence of discrimination.

Well, the real question is "were all the young men proclaimed guilty cos of the fact that "most young men carry knives". That to me is where the prejudice comes in. The police man was just acting on facts available to him and everbody does that from time to time.

Kobojunkie:
in·tu·i·tion (nt-shn, -ty-)---a. The act or[b] faculty of knowing or sensing [/b] without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition
2. A sense of something not evident or deducible; an impression.

Prejudice : A forejudgment; bias; partiality; preconceived opinion. A[b] leaning toward one side of a cause for some reason other than a conviction of its justice[/b].

So?
Faculty of[b] knowing [/b] or sensing  . Those are key words.

For prejudice, u dont know. U just have a pre concieved opinion based on other people's opinions, experiences or preferences. U dont need that in the case of intuition or it wont be intuition, innit?

4 Play:
Not all preconceived opinions(prejudices) are wrong.Many preconceptions are based on evidence.

If I was a police officer doing random searches for concealed knives on the streets on London and I decide to select young men,mainly, for my searches-my decision making here can be seen by many as fitting the definition of prejudice-but it would be a "prejudice" based on tons of indisputable evidence showing that young men are more likely to carry knives than any other segment of society.

Wouldn't the above be "prejudice" which serves a good purpose?

Well in that context U maybe right.
Maybe I should put my question this way : All prejudices might be built on pre concieved opinions but are all pre concieved opinions considered as "prejudice"
Cos in the example above, I dont see anybody being discriminated against.

Kobojunkie:
I would not go as far as attaching the words NarrowMinded and Ignorant to a prejudice person. I mean we all claim to  have some form of intuition which we all know is not based on justice but mostly on our preconceived opinions of others or things. This is a form of prejudice if you look carefully at the meaning of the word, when we act on it. Has my intuition not saved me so many times in my life?? definitely. So it is bad?? NO.

Prejudice: A forejudgment; bias; partiality; preconceived opinion. A leaning toward one side of a cause for some reason other than a conviction of its justice.

I am still having problems relating the word intuiton to another form of prejudice. Intuition is like having a 6th sense and should not be confused with prejudice.

Kobojunkie:
see my example up there please with saudi arabia, and try to remove yourself from what you know now and put yourself in the shoes of someone with a different view

I can't hold brief for what is obtainable in Saudi Arabia but if u are asking me if it is right to discriminate against the gay people , my reply is no. If I subscribe to it, my reply is once again no. In the first "NO", I am exercising my belief of live and let live. In the second "NO", I am just stating my preferences.

Good prejudice, ehhmmmm, like ________

Kobojunkie:
but ------------ there is still judging and some prejudice involved here. What is Love?? In the case of you choosing the one you Believe you love MORE or Love, you basically denied the other the same rights to you cause in this case you picked Love as your reason to be prejudice against her. LMAO!!!

A forejudgment; bias; partiality; preconceived opinion. A leaning toward one side of a cause for some reason [b]other than a conviction of its justice.[/b]

Justice is a relative term and , if u look at the history of man, it is also very time dependent.

debosky:
Is it really prejudice not to marry someone because they are Yoruba

Definitely, not. It is preferences like u said and as long as it remains personal then it is all good, I guess. But the truth of the matter is that it does not always reamain personal. U make a personal decision, before long it becomes a family decision and gradually with time it becomes a societal decision. A personal preference that one made "I will never marry a flat nosed chick " now gradually becomes a decision of the whole community.
Hitler made a decision and soon it became the mission statement of the Nazi.

I had always cringed with the thot of the white man and the enslavement of blacks due to color until I joined Nairaland. It taught me one thing : Racism is not a preserve of the white man. It is just basal human nature to be like that be them white or black. We are all Nigerians but we are also fighting our own kind of discrimination in the name of tribalism and nepotism. I honestly think that if the tables were reversed and the black man's world was suddenly the most advanced and civilised the story would still remain the same. The only change would be the race which is at the recieving, in this case the white man.

Would the human race overcome racism? Maybe if ,
1) From an evolution point of view, that we evolved to a more higher and intelligent being that is somehow blind to aesthetics of the eyes but more perceptive to that of the mind. As far as Homo sapiens is concerned, a cute face is better than an ordinary face. Tall is fine but short is evil. Rich is good and You are damned if u are poor.As long as we are still operating with these kind of parameters ,then it would only be wishful thinking for racsim to go away.

2) From a religious point of view, the second coming of Christ ( or whoever You are waiting for)

funkybaby:
Hmmmm.

You are a surgeon
You are based in lagos
You are single @ 38

Just wondering how many ladies you must have messed up and the number of hearts you must have broken !!

Surgeon + Lagos + 38 = Heart breaks _{just wondering how reached that conclusion}

mukina2:
5ft and below i think

why u dey vex na

Is that ur opinion or a general consensus.

I no dey vex. Just kidding. How I go begin vex for my wife naw

@ topic
Plis , how short is short? I though that was a relative term (that is except if u are talking about a midget)

Sharap dia

Sky Blue:
@4 Play, regional competition might not be a panacea to our problems, however what it represents is what is most important. Every part of the country striving to move the country forward instead of the nonchalant attitude that has come to symbolise our current disposition. With a more serious approach towards nation building do you think there will be tolerance for corruption? It is about what it represents, people finally waking up from sleep to develop the nation and trying to change it in the areas they are or in the areas they can as opposed to getting cosy with poverty and corruption. When people are working towards a common goal do you think there will be as much tolerance for a few who want to spoil it? And you are still saying it is the worst thing ever that could happen?

Ur argument would be entirely right, if not for the fact that those people who are charged with the task of Nation building both at the local and federal level are very corrupt. Even the populace have taken corruption as a normal way of life. Public funds are meant to be squandered. It would take a whole lot to institute the culture of accountability into our politicians. Even the populace have to undergo series of re orientation to disabuse thier minds from "biziness" as usual. That my friend is a daunting task. Not impossible but really daunting and would take a looong time.

I really believe that the region of the country that makes the bulk of the Nation's revenue should be the one benefitting most from the revenue. But simply giving more money to this region( a la thier politicians ) would unfortunately not solve the problems of the Niger Deltans. It would not solve the youth problems in the ND, it would not build roads or schools in the villages. Nor would it bring constant electricity to the rural areas. It would just be another avenue for a bunch of politicians to get richer at the expense of those the money was actually meant for.

Nigeria is in a mess. Prior 1966, we had infrastructures laid down that guaranteed the North was producing pyramids of ground nuts while the South have plantations of Palm Oil. To the best of my knowledge , not even a blue print exists in any of the states to develop thier own revenue. Most states have been are still being milked dry by the politicians. My local government chairman is doing nothing in terms of developing his purview. Money comes in from the state government and he just gulfs it down with his cohorts. I believe that is almost the same story with most local government. I would not even advocate increasing the allocation given to MY local government. It only means more money for the local politicians and more misery for the man on the street. Until people are made to have the fear of the law any solution would just be a cosmetic one. Just changing tunes.

Nigeria is in a mess. Prior 1966, we had infrastructures laid down that guaranteed the North was producing pyramids of ground nuts while the South have plantations of Palm Oil. To the best of my knowledge , not even a blue print exists in any of the states to develop thier own revenue. Most states have been are still being milked dry by the politicians. My local government chairman is doing nothing in terms of developing his purview. Money comes in from the state government and he just gulfs it down with his cohorts. I believe that is almost the same story with most local government. I would not even advocate increasing the allocation given to MY local government. It only means more money for the local politicians and more misery for the man on the street. Until people are made to have the fear of the law any solution would just be a cosmetic one. Just changing tunes.

Giving money to the Niger Delta wont solve any issue. There are politicians on ground waiting to wolf down the money even in niger delta. The problem we have is not that of allocation , it is actually that "how much of the allocated money is actually being put into use".

I just have to agree with Kobo. If politicians can be cured of the urged to dip hands into public funds, then we would have solved half of our problems. As long as corruption is still rife, allocating a huge percentage to the Niger Delta area is a mere change of baton from federal politicians to state politicians. I still remenber the NDDC case.

bawomolo:
please list what CIA policy officially sanctions the killing of civilians. u have issues if u think the transportation of nazi scientists is terrorism. the actions of rogue elements in the CIA doesn't dampen the aim of the organization. the CIA is an intelligence gathering group, is hezbollah one?? is FARC one or is shining path one. it's irritating to see how people would justify bad actions.

None. But then that does not mean that they dont. Hacve U ever heard of the dark side of the CIA. It is neither a tale nor a myth.

LMAO
No wonder there is no grandpa. Just grannie

So how come they took u for a female in the first place U have ur sex displayed in ur profile or was it something u did after u supposedly recieved love letters .


Wasup, Muki. Be expecting my love letter soon. Hope u dont go and have a sex change

LadyT:
Almondjoy you are something else, WOW
I don't think twice to dish abuse to fools but you need to calm down. As a grown woman you really need to calm down.

LMAO
And how does that make u any wiser ?

@ Yemi

U must be kidding, right

@bg

Except in cases where the man in question has a warped way of thinking and a warped sense of humor then dishing out ur keys to a girlfriend means u trust her and would be willing to go the extra mile with her. It does not actually guarantee exclusivity but it sure does portend one. Even if the man wants to be wayward he would  reserve some respect for the lady by taking his biziness somewhere else. Now there are exceptions and like I said the exceptions mostly come from the warped-minded.

I assume b4 U give out ur keys a lot of water would have gone under the bridge especially bed wise. Now unless U go around dishing ur keys to every Nkechi, Iyabo and Fatima that u just met, wat other ulterior motives could u possibly have by giving ur keys to a girl that U have been rollicking with already  

morenike09:
at poster, it's not the American's fault. . .it's the American media that displays Africa as a savage, uncivilized continent.
well, i dnt blame them sometimes because we always help them add something else to their list of uncivilized Africa, such as Scamming.
the questions that i get asked repeatedly are, (this was middle school and high school when the kids have no real knowledge on Africa, but base their questions on what they see on T.V):

Do animals run wild in Africa?
Do you run with the animals?
Do you live in a hut?
What Language does Africa speak? _{(this person was really stupid.)}
Do you have electricity in Africa?
Do you guys eat real food?
Do people wear clothes? or do you guys go naked?

Oh my gosh!!! I have actually being asked that one. 
And my answer was , No, I boarded the airplane naked in Africa and bought some clothes when I got to New york. That left them mouth gaping , I don't know if it is in disbelief or in amazement but one thing was that I never got those kind of questions from them again.

For a nigerian, u do really have a lot of misgivings for ur own people. As far as almondjoy is concerned what good can come out of Nigeria and dat my dear is a very negative opinion.

his_grace:
una talk well well - but after the key handing over incidence - we are still together - three years down the line - so - una head wey dey talk say she no want me no just correct at all - make i tell una well well - key or no key - d thing no matter to me - so make una go back to school - school of love, handing over and tutelage entrance.

LMAO.
Of course the conclusion might be wrong but that is the impression she is giving. Have u ever thought of the fact that she might just be tagging along with you while waiting for her Prince Charming. Thats another possiblity

almondjoy:
Settle what in private? Face me a face you apartments have no privacy. The woman did what she felt she had to do with her own level of understanding and defense mechanisms allowed within her reach.

Agreed. But my point is dat it did not help her cause. Of course, people would sympathize with her initially but with time the the sympathy would gradually give way to taunts. Trust our naija women. She would be known in gossip rings as the woman who can not keep her man in the house.

And plis almondjoy , coolu temper _{u should know wat i am talking about}

his_grace:
hmmmm, and if she gave it back or refused it - means what? means she is not interested?

Gave my girlfriend my apartment keys but she initially refused, but when she took it after few times appealing to her - she in a way gave it back to me - does it mean she is not interested?

I think ur situation is different here. In nailijah's case I think the interest is mutual and equivalent with respect to both parties. However, I cant say the same for ur case. It seems the girl still have some doubts over her relationship with you.

I think funkybabe and Zheroes have really said it all. And the pieces of advice from funky kind of make me think she has been in that situation before cos she is absolutely rite. Dont abuse the right of keys handed over to u (lol)

Bottom line is dat no matter what anybody says, it takes a whole lot for a man hand over the entrance of his abode to a chic. It means he is ready to take the relationship one level higher. He has made a statement ;it is left for u to make him not to regret that statement.