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Culture › Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 12:38pm On Jul 26, 2011

Abagworo:
My verdict is that indigenous Igbo in Delta is same as indeginous Igbo every where.We remain a great people united by our common tongue,influenced at all our edges by neighbouring cultures but yet retain that ingenuity that stands us out from most other Nigerians.We have been resilient in the face of obvious cheating,balkanization and other political precipitate physical intimidation.The weak ones like Agbotaen are scared and think the easy way out is self denial but as usual their so called new friends will massacre them when the chips are down.

Nnaa,dalu sor.

Culture › Re: Igbo Kwenu! Kwezuo Nu! Join Us If You're Proud To Be An Igbo Guy/lady by vicenzo(m): 11:28pm On Jul 25, 2011

presido1:
Otele bia ebe a, odika onwere nsi di gi na otele, aguru na agu my bingo biko.

ochi atogbugo m.

Politics › Re: The Northern Counter-coup Of 1966: The Full Story Without Bias! by vicenzo(m): 5:36pm On Jul 25, 2011

Biafra is the heartbeat of most igbos,i enjoyed onlytruth's post a lot,we should never forget the blood we shed in biafra,the biafra story must be told in every igbo home,lest the new generation be deceived by the history revisionist or or stupid "one nigeria" jargon,never again should the fate of ndiigbo be placed in the hand of a man like aguiyi ironsi.

Culture › Re: Igbo Kwenu! Kwezuo Nu! Join Us If You're Proud To Be An Igbo Guy/lady by vicenzo(m): 3:09pm On Jul 25, 2011

O na agafe agafe.

Culture › Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 2:53pm On Jul 25, 2011

Na wa o! Some people don corner this thread,imagine physics HD,REV,QED,RND,etc,posting for a whole page,alone.

Politics › Re: The 6th Igbo State Must Be Anioma State- Igbodefender.com by vicenzo(m): 10:52pm On Jul 20, 2011

Negro nts is a funny fella,hehehe!

Culture › Re: Yoruba In Anioma - A Revealed Truth! by vicenzo(m): 5:10pm On Jul 20, 2011

Nee kwa nu anya! Unu ana afu kwa? Ife nkaa o bu di agwu ka o bu ara.

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Politics › Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by vicenzo(m): 4:30pm On Jul 20, 2011

ChinenyeN:
This is how I see it. The Igbo do not owe any of the 'minorities' anything. Plain and simple. This is what they chose for themselves. So they should solve it by themselves. The Igbo are not a 'big brother' to any of these 'minorities'. Plain and simple. There is no such thing as 'big brother' in the east. It has always been 'to each his own'.

Most importantly, the Igbo should close their eyes and ears and even more so, their minds, to these 'minorities'. Its as simple as that.

Chineye,you and i know that nobody takes them serious without ndiigbo,all GEJ needed for other nigerians to take him serious was ndiigbo's endorsement,he ran his campaign as an igbo,not as an ijaw,the igbo names Azikiwe and ebele was to that effect.You are right though,it's high time we stop deceiving ourselves,we have to start looking out for our interest in this dungeon,the minorities should look out for themselves.

ChinenyeN:
This is how I see it. The Igbo do not owe any of the 'minorities' anything. Plain and simple. This is what they chose for themselves. So they should solve it by themselves. The Igbo are not a 'big brother' to any of these 'minorities'. Plain and simple. There is no such thing as 'big brother' in the east. It has always been 'to each his own'.

Most importantly, the Igbo should close their eyes and ears and even more so, their minds, to these 'minorities'. Its as simple as that.

Politics › Re: Zik's Final Resting Place In Ruins by vicenzo(m): 11:35am On Jul 20, 2011

bashr4:
i agree awo gave us tribalism even gowan was shocked that awo will come up with an idea to take all the money belonging to igbos , he is nothing but a common thief

Yeah,he was a tribal thief,he did that to impress the north,he was hoping to be made the president,too bad the north saw through his treachery,he died of rat poison called "otapiapia" like a RAT he was.

Politics › Re: Awo And The Creation Of States [1987] By Ken Saro Wiwa by vicenzo(m): 11:07am On Jul 20, 2011

What made the eastern minorities to think that the the north and the west would be of any help to them, still beats me,what these people fail to understand is that ndiigbo is their big brother,nobody takes them serious without their big brother,all the yoruba and the north needed to do,in order to exploit them,was to remove the influence of this big brother,then they became vulnerable to the vultures,saro wiwa realized this late,hence his plea for igbo's help, but he failed to realize that he and his kind,had since rendered ndiigbo incapable of protecting the eastern minorities.

Saro wiwa was paranoid,he feared ndiigbo's domination in biafra,he feared ijaw's domination in rivers state(nigeria),he feared death.How can such a man full of fears be a leader?

Politics › Re: We Can’t Run Away From Sovereign National Conference –Umeh by vicenzo(m): 12:23am On Jul 20, 2011

Obu soso SNC ka GEJ ga enye unu,ma tanker.

Politics › Re: Okorocha: I’m In A Hurry To Deliver by vicenzo(m): 12:13am On Jul 20, 2011

Onyeoma okorocha,anyi kwu gi na azu,jide ka iji.

Culture › Re: Are People From Onicha-ugbo Igbo Descent? by vicenzo(m): 11:33pm On Jul 19, 2011

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=400813.msg8749141#msg8749141 date=1311108938]To the question " Are people of onucha-ugbo of Igbo descent"!

The answer is no. The etymology of the name "Onucha", "Onuche", "Onitsha", "Onitcha" and many similarly spelt names as well as "Ugbo", "Igbo". . . .are origination of and with root meaning in Yoruba tongue.

Therefore, Onucha-Ugbo or other forms of which it is spelt is indeed an adulteration and mispell of the original; Orisha-Igbo.[/quote]I see you are being confused by the anglicisation of the igbo word "onicha" to onitsha,it is spelt onitsha but pronounced as onicha,onicha is found in most part of igboland,even as far away as ebonyi and imo,it has nothing to do with your yoruba deity,orisha.

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Culture › Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 11:15pm On Jul 19, 2011

agbotaen:
owa founders from benin ,plus migrants from nri in igboland through ute okpu migration.we are ika people , and for those people saying that owa king is a custodian of nri culture , that is very funny as our king is a custodian of ika culture , but we know there are nri and edo influence in it , but to tell you the truth owa culture has more edo input .but like i said , i challenge any person who knows owa culture here to tell me specifically what the nri culture in owa is and what the bini culture is ?
let me take you through a course in owa culture , which i am very proud of -
1. kingship in owa , our ancient word and concept of kingship was ogiso , that is why till today old men and women in owa call our obi ,by the word ogiso.
2. obiship in owa is taken from the benin concept of kingship(obaship), the obi of owa is regarded as second to oselobue ,he is an absolute monarch whose words in ancient times was final, he had power of life and death.
3. our chiefthancy or ohaime (ship) is in three levels , the village, town and palace chiefs going under titles like ihama, ihaza, esama, ojekpolor, obakpolor, uwangue, ologboshere, iyase, elewu, obayangbon, obazenu, urokonogbe, isekhure, osague, inenigun,and other titles which i will later publish, this are bini titles ,/
4. we also have igbo titles like ogifurueze, odabameze,obiwenali and others that of igbo lines, but the igbo titles in owa are very little and less important , as the ones derived from benin are more ancient and powerful in owa.
5. the dressing of our kings and chief follow benin lines , using the ada and the ebenren,and beads .
6. the igbo ceremonies found and practiced in owa are ikenga, and ifejuku and ofo
7. while our obi , performs uje dance, igue festival, ikaba, olokun ,ohunweeden , which comes from benin.
8. osiezi festival , which is purely an ika festival founded by my ancestors.
9. the worship of ehi is a bini , practice still done in owa today.
10. owa is divided into ebon( umun), idumu and ogbe- which is family, village and town
11. in olden days our fathers / mothers had a facial and body mark called igu, performed by an owina , with ebeke osigu.
12. when prasing the obi of owa ,this are some of his appellations
1. agbogidi iyare,
2. ogiso iyare,
3. ojenebo iyare,
4. agwo ekirika iyare,
5. obi ni tor ne fe , ise

13. our greetings are
1. laire is still a greeting eholor nire in benin and ogiamen
2. laiweze- is from those of iyase clan in benin
3. greeting while eating is kada
4. after meal greeting is lakpoma
5. for respectable older women is obori

14. our four week days is from igbo or nri
1. eken
2. orie
3. nkwo
4. afor , please do not mind the other which i wrote them.

15. all our obis have had benin names ,
1. odogun
2. igbedigi
3. ewuare
4. orhogbua
5. okundaiye,
6. igbeoba
7. iseh
8.obaigbena
9. ewodo
10. eworh
11. the present king is efeizomor ,
please forgive the list , there are still more obis and this is not the order they ruled .
as for the second obi of owa , obi igbedigi ( this are some of his children- omigie, osunhon, ovwiagbon, ugbebor, ojezua, omo, buzugbe , omoroje , okpeaye , , my family are of the omigie lineage , this are surely bini names .

15. no owa person has denied that there was igbo migration in owa , but we also have firm evidence of benin migration and lineage .
16. it is interesting also that when odogun came from ute okpu , he was already schooled in how benin people rule from ute-okpu and the people he met in owa so he adopted a proto-type of benin style of kingship.
17. i can also write an indepth account of how our kings are coronated and buried , they are coronated in an area we call uselu - meaning sacred area in owa -oyibu .
i will rest now to write later . we have done proper research into owa history and not by reading books alone , i am a descendant of kings and princes in owa ,so i am conversant with my towns history as told to me by my father, uncles, chiefs and after careful reading and research .

The fact that the obi of owa said that he is of nri ancestry makes all your post crap,the obi is the highest authority in owa,now go and sleep,onye iberibe.

agbotaen:
owa founders from benin ,plus migrants from nri in igboland through ute okpu migration.we are ika people , and for those people saying that owa king is a custodian of nri culture , that is very funny as our king is a custodian of ika culture , but we know there are nri and edo influence in it , but to tell you the truth owa culture has more edo input .but like i said , i challenge any person who knows owa culture here to tell me specifically what the nri culture in owa is and what the bini culture is ?
let me take you through a course in owa culture , which i am very proud of -
1. kingship in owa , our ancient word and concept of kingship was ogiso , that is why till today old men and women in owa call our obi ,by the word ogiso.
2. obiship in owa is taken from the benin concept of kingship(obaship), the obi of owa is regarded as second to oselobue ,he is an absolute monarch whose words in ancient times was final, he had power of life and death.
3. our chiefthancy or ohaime (ship) is in three levels , the village, town and palace chiefs going under titles like ihama, ihaza, esama, ojekpolor, obakpolor, uwangue, ologboshere, iyase, elewu, obayangbon, obazenu, urokonogbe, isekhure, osague, inenigun,and other titles which i will later publish, this are bini titles ,/
4. we also have igbo titles like ogifurueze, odabameze,obiwenali and others that of igbo lines, but the igbo titles in owa are very little and less important , as the ones derived from benin are more ancient and powerful in owa.
5. the dressing of our kings and chief follow benin lines , using the ada and the ebenren,and beads .
6. the igbo ceremonies found and practiced in owa are ikenga, and ifejuku and ofo
7. while our obi , performs uje dance, igue festival, ikaba, olokun ,ohunweeden , which comes from benin.
8. osiezi festival , which is purely an ika festival founded by my ancestors.
9. the worship of ehi is a bini , practice still done in owa today.
10. owa is divided into ebon( umun), idumu and ogbe- which is family, village and town
11. in olden days our fathers / mothers had a facial and body mark called igu, performed by an owina , with ebeke osigu.
12. when prasing the obi of owa ,this are some of his appellations
1. agbogidi iyare,
2. ogiso iyare,
3. ojenebo iyare,
4. agwo ekirika iyare,
5. obi ni tor ne fe , ise

13. our greetings are
1. laire is still a greeting eholor nire in benin and ogiamen
2. laiweze- is from those of iyase clan in benin
3. greeting while eating is kada
4. after meal greeting is lakpoma
5. for respectable older women is obori

14. our four week days is from igbo or nri
1. eken
2. orie
3. nkwo
4. afor , please do not mind the other which i wrote them.

15. all our obis have had benin names ,
1. odogun
2. igbedigi
3. ewuare
4. orhogbua
5. okundaiye,
6. igbeoba
7. iseh
8.obaigbena
9. ewodo
10. eworh
11. the present king is efeizomor ,
please forgive the list , there are still more obis and this is not the order they ruled .
as for the second obi of owa , obi igbedigi ( this are some of his children- omigie, osunhon, ovwiagbon, ugbebor, ojezua, omo, buzugbe , omoroje , okpeaye , , my family are of the omigie lineage , this are surely bini names .

15. no owa person has denied that there was igbo migration in owa , but we also have firm evidence of benin migration and lineage .
16. it is interesting also that when odogun came from ute okpu , he was already schooled in how benin people rule from ute-okpu and the people he met in owa so he adopted a proto-type of benin style of kingship.
17. i can also write an indepth account of how our kings are coronated and buried , they are coronated in an area we call uselu - meaning sacred area in owa -oyibu .
i will rest now to write later . we have done proper research into owa history and not by reading books alone , i am a descendant of kings and princes in owa ,so i am conversant with my towns history as told to me by my father, uncles, chiefs and after careful reading and research .

The fact that the obi of owa said that he is of nri ancestry makes all your post crap,the obi is the highest authority in owa,now go and sleep,onye iberibe.

Culture › Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 4:16pm On Jul 19, 2011

yeah,the kind they got from edo,when they were massacred in benin,yeah.

bokohalal:
They can count on Edo moral support for sure. We know the difference between Ika(Eka) and Igbo.No true Ika would like to be labelled `Igbo`, which is a corruption of an uncomplimentary descriptive Edo word.

Culture › Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 8:50am On Jul 19, 2011

Infact the issue here is not whether ika is igbo or not,we have since passed that stage in this thread,ezeagu's post solved that,the issue here is how ndiigbo should help anioma to reclaim,igbo communities in edo such as igbanke,ekpon and iru,while retaining oza people in agbor,that is the issue.

Culture › Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 8:36am On Jul 19, 2011

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=458875.msg8742951#msg8742951 date=1311028568]<Quote>Ogbuefi 1:
1) What does the name "Owa" mean ?
Owa is derived from "Owa ri onwea" which in our dialect of Igbo means " he has parted ways".This is how the name came about. Owa owns her foundation to three princes from Ute Okpu namely Odogwu, Izomor and Igbegidi.The Ute Okpu and Ute Ogbeje people were founded by Nri people which we Anioma people call "Nhi"(in Ika dialect) or Nshi(in other Anioma dialect).These people originall settled at Ute Ogbeje but some of them led by Ijue moved westards to found Ute Okpu.During the reign of Oba Ewuare many Anioma clans were invaded by Benin forces and some of them were cajoled to join the imperial Benin army when they refocused their imperial tendencies westwards towards Yorubaland.The sons of Ijue, the founder and first Obi of Ute Okpu were involved in the wars against such towns like Akure and Owo and for many years were engaged in those wars</quote>

Ogbuefi, you are one of the reasons why I left Foreign Affairs section to concentrate in home politics and rebutt the Igbo propaganda machine.

I don't need a 5page history on your response but I need you to pay attention to your falsification of history in the above and answer to the following (1) name the war and the year that Bini fought a war with Akure and Owo or anywhere else in Yorubaland.; (2) who won the war?

Andre Uweh,

Agbotaen repeatedly has said that his people and their land was first settled by Edo people and through the missionary influence (in which oyibo favored the more subordinate Igbo tribe over the insubordinating ones like Edo, Igbo became the "house slave" and was installed the native missioner) that taught church and instructions in Igbo language, the original tongue of the land became a fluid that is now called Ika. Ika peoiple refuse to be Igbo because in their nature they have never been one beside language tutoring and subsequent Igbo settlers from the East. Their nativity is proto-Bini, but even with that admission, their destiny and social evolution had parted with that of Bini years ago to the point now that they are a distinct identity from Bini, connected only through ancient progenitors. Nonetheless, in contemporary society they are a distinct IKA people, forget language influence, forget settlement story, forget names. . . They are not Igbo, period!

You Andre is emophasizing language as a proof of their Igbo root, even after it is established that if Igbo had been more resistant and resilient and not subordinate to oyibo's mission, you never would have been the one instructing christianity and hence your language would have had no presence over the native tongue of the neighboring indigenes.

Leave Ika alone, they are not Igbo. Do you get it at all?[/quote]leave them alone?Ijebuman,it is not your job to defend ika(owa),its the job of the obi of owa,and he is not leaving us,he is holding tight,he said he is of nri ancestry,did you hear that? Not ika,not edo,but nri(NSHI) so back off.

As an ijebuman,you should be more concerned about the mud houses that is the norm in ijebuland,what solution do you have to stop that disgrace,this and more should be your concern,not ndiigbo.

Culture › Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by vicenzo(m): 8:12am On Jul 19, 2011

I wonder what we are still discussing here,the obi of owa is the custodian of owa history,he has the last say in this matter,and he has consistently said that owa is of NSHI(nri) ancestry,not edo,of course he is aware of some edo minority,but he knows they are not relevant in the grand scheme of things,that my friends is what matters,not what some deluded individual thinks,or are we going to take the rantings of agbotaen over that of his obi?[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=458875.msg8743149#msg8743149 date=1311031305]Ok now i understand Ika's point of view

Agbotean has been right all this while but we have just fail to listen to him

Andre is also right but i think Agbotean did not understand you

Ika is like an ethnic group that connects the igbos and edo together

Ikas are actually edo people but there language is an igbo dialect

http://www.ikaworld.com/index.php?mod=article&cat=IkaHistoryamp;Tradition&article=207

if so then it is hight time we leave them[/quote]

Business › Re: FG Fails To Deliver On Its Power Target by vicenzo(m): 7:50am On Jul 19, 2011

Same old story,they better not remove the subsidy on petroleum,if petroleum is cheap,people can always use their generators.useless and clueless leaders,God will judge them.

Politics › Re: Regional Poverty In Nigeria- North, South-West Worse Hit by vicenzo(m): 11:19am On Jul 18, 2011

willyspace:
Asaba is not even worthy of being a Local Government Headquarters!

You are not worthy to be heard.

willyspace:
Asaba is not even worthy of being a Local Government Headquarters!

You are not worthy to be heard.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Greatest Lie Of Christianity by vicenzo(m): 4:47pm On Jul 16, 2011

When people refuse to apply logic and reasoning on things,they become foolish.

In the days of old in igboland,human sacrifices to the gods are not uncommon,likewise throwing away of twins, do you think that these people don't have questions? They refused to be rational,hence they were left with foolishness,in their folly,they killed innocent people in the name of sacrifices,wasted their twins in the name of taboo,they were brainwashed,they were told that they were nobody to question the gods,the god's are wise, all knowing,and shows no mercy to those who don't obey him(doesn't these sound like the attributes,the jews assigned to their God).

Today,most igbos see those god's, their ancestors served as evil,they see the act of of human sacrifices as barbaric and killing of twins as foolishness,but they forget that those things happened because our ancestors believed that traditions and their illusion of god,are not be questioned,just as they(christians),believe that the bible teachings and the attributes they assign to God,are not to questioned,
thought pattern such as this,is bound to lead to foolishness.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Greatest Lie Of Christianity by vicenzo(m): 4:00pm On Jul 16, 2011

[quote author=agi-tuedor link=topic=711319.msg8727671#msg8727671 date=1310815569]@ vicenzo
Thank you, It just takes a little reasoning to see the light.[/quote]You are welcome.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Greatest Lie Of Christianity by vicenzo(m): 8:42am On Jul 16, 2011

@agu-tuedo.

I agree with you on this one,christian doctrines has too many faults and cannot stand the test of logic and reasoning,even the christians know this,the catholics will always say-give us your child and we will make him a catholic forever,what they do to these children who will eventually become adults is brainwashing.

I am an igbo,i was born into christianity like most igbos,but right from when i became a teenager,i began asking questions,questions that nobody would answer,it was obvious that unlike my siblings,i wasn't going to be brainwashed,but my parents would not give it up,they kept pushing,only to meet resistance from me,this is the way of christianity,it is not a choice to most of it's converts,they were born into it,brainwashed to take every teaching without questioning,there is not much difference between these converts and those islamic extremist called boko haram,the only difference is the incidence of birth,for if they were born to islamic parents,they would still not ask questions.

I am not an atheist,i believe in the existence of one supreme God,but i don't believe in the attributes,most religions assign to this supreme being.

Politics › Re: The Coming Lagos Tsunami by vicenzo(m): 12:49pm On Jul 15, 2011

EzeUche:
It is good to be a hinterland people.

Why fight over access to the sea, when the sea is coming to us?

Tell them bro.Somepeople don't know why ph was built where it is today.

Politics › Re: The Governors Of SE Should Declare "no-go Area Policy" For Fulani Herdsmen by vicenzo(m): 11:57am On Jul 15, 2011

udezue:
EzeUche You have been talking about Igbo land reviving its Palm-tree industry yet u believe we can't raise our cattle, goats, etc? The best thing the governors can do is buy the poor wretched herdsmen out of their business, establish designated areas of the states that can be turned into ranches and have people / business buy them out and establish it as business. If they like they can employ very few Fulani to work in the fields / ranches. Tax the business and BAN NORMADIC HERDING. Please quit lying about Abians having such a rosy relationship with Fulani cattle herders. The last I checked Fulani and Hausa ppl have always gotten roasted anytime they mess with our people.

Nice post. Europeans and americans produce more milk and beef than us,yet they do no normadic herding,it's time to ban normadic herding and replace it with modern method.

Politics › Re: Tony One Week Is Anambra House Minority Leader! by vicenzo(m): 2:17pm On Jul 14, 2011

russellino:
O ti ti ko ko ti ko ! E ya eeee. It would be fun to watch the house gyrate

Politics › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Ode Chukwu? by vicenzo(m): 2:10pm On Jul 14, 2011

apoti:
So former Nigerian coach Christian Chukwu means Christian God

No, the chukwu in his name is a shortened form of his surname,an igbo whose surname is chukwumaife(God is wise),chukwuenweniwe(God don't be angry),etc,might decide to shorten it to just chukwu,next time when you see an igbo whose surname is chukwu,ask him for the full name.

Politics › Re: Scam: Delta State Gov Commissions Uncompleted Airport: See Pics by vicenzo(m): 11:09pm On Jul 13, 2011

Na wa o! When will deltans enjoy good leadership?First ibori and now,uduaghan.Can't really say it's pdp's fault,because over here in enugu,a pdp governor is making us happy,i think it has more to do with uduaghan,lets not make it sound like once a non-pdp governor is enthroned,then all becomes well.God help deltans.

Politics › Re: Boko Haram: Should Our Past Leaders Be Ashamed For Not Being Foresighted? by vicenzo(m): 6:59pm On Jul 13, 2011

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=712395.msg8711036#msg8711036 date=1310579211]igboman is there commercail oil in igboland[/quote]oh! We agree it's oil.
No,there is oil in commercial quantity in yorubaland.

Politics › Re: Boko Haram: Should Our Past Leaders Be Ashamed For Not Being Foresighted? by vicenzo(m): 6:45pm On Jul 13, 2011

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=712395.msg8710927#msg8710927 date=1310578291]lies upon lies upon stu.pidity

the north does not care about your oil, read jason's post and stop actting ignorant[/quote]Stop deceiving yourself yorubaman,biafra war was all about OIL,OIL is the foundation on which gowon's "one nigeria" stands.

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