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Trojan8:
Clowns talking about the estate returning to the son or the wife's family. So if the woman had a debt to be settled, would the family/this son come and pay the settlement amount? It's now a property, so the husband does not have any rights.

I am not in anyway in support of the husband selling those properties, but both parties should try to settle it amicably.

Not a 40 years man with a house of his own according to him fighting his father over properties that were not even willed to him in the first place.

We are talking of an inherited property and not property acquired as a result of efforts by the husband or wife during the marriage. This had nothing to do with debt acquired by the wife during the marriage. Even at that, I doubt a husband can be forced to assume liabilities he is not a party to.

Yeyeoldman:
Well the law don't see it that way. If this goes to court, the OP will not only lose He will be mandated to pay the legal fees and other monetary compensation to his Father for disturbing his peace. The property belong to the man by virtue of Marriage. The woman cannot even will the said property to the son without the man's consent. I guess you didn't know this.

False. Inherited property is not considered marital property in most jurisdictions.

goody234:
get a good lawyer and be firm your father is being greedy!! and he is trying to chance you ..Do not allow him to take over your mothers properties i repeat do not allow him to collect rent from any tenant.
To be candid with you i dont think your father has done well in life to be fighting over property with you he is exhibiting a poverty mindset

I don't even mind his father collecting rent on some of the properties to help him alleviate his and his families poverty. But the most annoying one his him attempting to sell the properties. Selling the properties of your wife's family is very low in terms of integrity. What will the wife's brothers and sisters (who are also entitled to the same properties).

PlanktonX:
How can you say your father is dragging his wife property with you.....

Not just his father's wife's property but also his own grandfathers property. What if the the guy is not the biological son but a step father. Will you expect that his grandfathers property willed to the mother and then will to him should be appropriated by your mother's husband (step father) because he was married to her?

Are you sure you are this man's son?

Why ask the question? Was there any doubt in the first place?

Many people had been sent to the world beyond because of properties....

Yes. Families fight over property the world over.

Plz hussle for what is yours and enjoy this beautiful life God has given you. Whether your father like it or not, he would leave the property someday, but to who?

This advice should go to the father. He should hussle for his own property instead of chooking his eyes on a property hustled by another man, and willed to his daughter.
How can the father leave a property for anyone when he does not own a property of his own, but had been parasiting on the properties of the wife's family.

CSTRR:
Well, that is what happens when a man inherits properties too.
It passes to his wife.

The only reason why this one is strange is that usually the surviving parent keeps it for the children.

But normally, it belongs to the surviving parent to do as he or she pleases.

Many women have squandered their late husband's wealth on new boyfriends.

It's their right.

The same applies to the man in this case too.

Inherited properties carries a lot of emotional attachments, and so it is not usually included in spousal inheritance or shared family property during divorce. This applies even in the West.

exnovio:
My brother ,please don't be greedy,since your father is alive anything that your mother had belongs to him now,don't ever to fight with over this or it will attract curse to you.

Are you aware that the property was inherited from the wife's father? So you mean the wife's father's property should pass unto her husband and then pass it unto another woman when he remarries.

Trojan8:
Stories. Without a will, the husband is the next of kin.

Trojan8:
There's no will here, and the next of kin where there's a legal marriage is the spouse.

False!

ChristineC:
so you are saying if a the wealthy man and wife have a family lawyer (of course there will be one), and dies inter state, the powers of this lawyer is totally useless to his client's surviving children?

If he dies intestate, then customary law takes precedence. The lawyer can only help the particular wife and children in court. Other wife's, children and family members would also appear in court to argue their case according to their customs.

Tkeke:
I would have advised you to be patient with your Dad, so that when he too is gone, you will have access to the said properties. But my problem now is that your Dad is selling or planning to sell off the properties. That means that there might be nothing left for you to inherit. The real owner left them for you, but somebody's son, i.e. your father wants to do otherwise. This is where the problem is. I will advise that you have one on one discussion with him.

What then happens if the father marries another wife and bore other children?

ChristineC:
is this seriously how the law work in Nigeria?

That's what most families goes through, if the spouse dies inter state.

ChristineC:
so in other words, the relative with the biggest balls take the meat. is this seriously how the law work in Nigeria?

And the biggest influence or the biggest thuggery and sometimes the biggest juju threats.

baby124:
Those are for people who refuse to fight. Not everybody is weak and take things as God’s will dear. Will they try that nonsense with Fashola or Tinubu’s wife? If you sit back, locusts will eat your inheritance.

Its never that easy. You know that we live in a very polygamous or polyamourous society. Most marriages have some complications, with the man having multiple wives or baby mamas. Or even women having children outside of their legally married husvands. So how do you divide properties if a spouse dies without a will using only common law, or even in the case of divorce. Are all the children and wives not entitled to a portion of their fathers wealth?

ChristineC:
so let's assume there is no will. a wealthy man and his wife dies in an accident, leaving behind young kids.
how do you think their estate will be secured?

In this scenario, the extended families would fight each other to a stand still. It all depends on who has access to the papers of the properties, shares and bank accounts. (Though bank account would be more complicated).

Remember the children are not of legal age to do anything. It is when they get to the legal age of 18 that they can start fighting for their parents properties, and by then it might be to late. All the properties would have been sold and shared.

baby124:
Only properties acquired during marriage belong to the couple. Not properties before marriage or inherited properties.

That one na for obodo oyimbo o. Here in naija, unless the property is titled Mr and Mrs, when the couple separates, everyone goes with his or her properties. Even when a husband or wife dies, vultures in the form on extended family members descend on the properties of the dead spouse, not minding the surviving spouse or children.

ChristineC:
the property belongs to your father first. without a will, her husband is automatically the next of kin.
oga go and settle with your father or move on.

False premise. First a husband (or wife) does not automatically become a next of kin. It has to be specifically written down. Besides there is no universal next of kin. There are next of kin for various purposes. When opening your ban account, you could fill your husband as your next of kin. When getting a new employment, you could fill your mother as your next of kin.

Secondly, a will supercedes any next of kin.

Kobojunkie:
You know this is another angle the OP could look into. If the marriage between his father and mother were never in fact registered, maybe OP could use that to his benefit. What do you think?

A legal will supersede legal marriage. If the properties were solely in her name, she could will it to anyone she wishes.

immortalcrown:
Your house is not in order. This is all I can say now.

But by right, your father is most entitled to your mother and her property, just as you will be most entitled to your wife's property.

False. If your mother did not will her property to her husband, he cannot claim it.

A husband (as well as other members of the wife's family) can only fight for his wife's family if she died inter state. Then customs and traditions will come in to settle property sharing.

At OP.
If you don't want your father to exhibit any property you legally inherited from your mother, contact a competent lawyer. He will first issue a cease and desist letter to your father and if he does not obey, institute legal proceedings. But then, you should be prepared for the backlash from him and his side of the family. They will first blackmail you and then disown you.

This 2014 thread has become relevant today as Senator Bola Tinubu is seeking to be elected president of Nigeria.

From this report we can see Senator Tinubu's political philosophy and style and how he rose to become a behemoth in Nigerian politics today.

NaijaCowFarm:
Leadership is not a popularity contest - Adams Oshomole

It is not arguable that Tinubu has a very large political structure. It is also not arguable that Tinubu can defeat Osinbajo in an Open Ballot system, but APC primaries are not going to be an open ballot system where people queue behind their candidates, rather it is going to be an Open-Secret Ballot system. In an open-ballot system, once I vote against you, you know, so I will be reluctant to vote another after assuring you or collecting your money. However, in an Open-Secret ballot, I can assure you that I will vote for you, collect your money yet vote my "heart".

Now on the day of the APC primaries, these are the facts that would be very clear:

Tinubu is too old to govern effectively: With the hindsight of Buhari's challenges, APC would rather go for a younger and much healthier candidate than an old and sick Tinubu. This is a clear advantage that Osinbajo would have. Most of the delegates would be easily swayed towards Osinbajo right inside the ballot cage, where they would thumb-print their ballot, fold it and come out openly to cast it in the ballot box. Mark you, it is going to be the same ballot box for all candidates, so you cannot know who was voted until the ballots are sorted and counted.

Tinubu's bad faith towards Ambode: The bad deed that Tinubu did to Ambode is still fresh in the minds of the governors, both single-term and second-term governors. it is on record that the governors overwhelmingly rejected the direct primaries simply because Tinubu and his men in NASS arranged to have them treated like Ambode. moreso, it was reported that the APC governor's forum led by Atiku Bagudu (who is still in charge by the way), went to Tinubu's residence in Abuja to beg and prostrate to the Jagaban to allow Ambode to complete his tenure, but baba shuns them. Now, he is running after the same Bagudu, even going to the Kebbi Lodge to beg then. They are sure to require their pound of flesh on behalf of Ambode.

Religious sentiments: Since 2015 Nigeria has been governed by a Muslim, Muhammadu Buhari. If another Muslim from the South takes over from Buhari in 2023, the Muslims would have had another 8 years, making a total of 16. Now when power returns to the North, obviously another Muslim would take over for another 8 years. In total, the Muslims would be president from 2015 - to 2039, a whopping 24 uninterrupted years. That is NOT FEASIBLE. Hence, rational as the delegates are, they would avoid such a trap that would easily hand power back to the PDP. The delegates would rather vote for Osinbajo than Tinubu.

Running mate wahahala: We all recall the challenges that Buhari faced in choosing a running mate in 2015. Buhari was under pressure to avoid the Muslim-Muslim ticket in 2015, even with over 10 million Northern votes in the kitty. Tells that with a Tinubu's candidacy, it would be tougher for APC. Firstly, Tinubu does not have the cult following that Buhari commanded in 2015. Secondly, the North would never accept a Northern Christian VP, this is an unwritten law. Adopting such would mean FAILURE in the North. Hence the only option that Tinubu would have is a Muslim-Muslim ticket, which would FAIL woefully at elections. Even APC NEC would advise against such a move. The obvious alternative would be Osinbajo.

Unaccounted Baggages: Accountability is the acceptance of responsibility for one's own actions. It implies a willingness to be transparent, allowing others to observe and evaluate one's performance. Integrity is the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness. Measured on these two words, Osinbajo would beat Tinubu by a clear distance. Firstly, Tinubu has held Lagos to a stranglehold for the past 23 years. He has made sure that his son controls all the key revenue-generating sectors of the state, the numerous toll gates, etc. His daughter controls all the markets in Lagos, his son-in-law is in NASS, and his wife is a senator for life, he receives 10% tithes from Lagos State. These are baggages that Nigeria's state cannot accommodate. Even now, he has closed NURTW in Lagos and handed it over to his cronies. Is this the type of person that Nigeria wants to give power over the nation and national treasury and power?
Responsible delegates would avoid such a person because, when push goes to shove, Nigerians would be better off without such baggages. Hence the Osinbajo appeal would suffice.

Academic and foundational credence: Tinubu's state of origin, early education, age, and birth are all mysteries. Noone knows where he is from. Noone knows his father, no one knows where he got his first school leaving certificate nor his high school certificate nor diploma. All we hear is that he graduated from some University in the USA. There are those that say that his daughter is 61 years old while Tinubu is claiming 70 years old. That is a mystery too many to be overlooked. Hence Osinbajo would come as a sterling candidate to sell rather than a Tunubu with these baggages of unexplained mysteries.

Conclusion: Osinbajo would trounce Tinubu in APC primaries. However, APC may not form the next government, no matter who they field!

Please read this 2014 report of how Tinubu turn Lagos State into his personal estate like Leopold II of Belgium turned Congo into his personal estate. - https://www.nairaland.com/1866463/lion-bourdillion-bola-ahmed-tinubu

He wants to turn himself from king of Lagos to Emperor of Nigeria.

To me Anybody but Tinubu can be president.
My number one candidate is Amaechi because he is igbo, fearless, has political experience, built bridges across the Niger and loves Nigeria.

Even though I don't mind Yemi Osinbanjo, I feel that Yorubas should give other southerners the opportunity to aspire for the highest office. They have held the presidency and vice presidency for a total of 16 years out of the 23 years in this 4th Republic.

I also would not mind peter Obi, but i doubt PDPbeing held in a stranglehold by Wike and Atiku would allow him win the primaries. And I don't think PDP can win the presidential election at this time.

Another southerner that should be looked into is former president Jonathan. I am sure he must have learnt his lesson. This time he should ge tougher on corruption and not marginalise the Yorubas in his appointments. The only problem is he has no platform to run. PDP or APC would accept him as their presidential candidate.

PointZerom:
Are we talking about popularity or good governance. Renting geowd doesn't mean one is popular.

The people below did not gather because of someone's popularity but they gathered because of what they were promised....a cup of rice. The same reason theses fools are gathering here today.

This is the reason I conclude that democracy cannot work in a poor and illiterate society. Poor people are only after stomach infrastructure, while the illiterate are swayed by irrational emotional sentiments. They don't understand or care about truly altruistic reason like welfare of others and patriotism.
In the original Greek concept of democracy, only the elites and intellectuals that were qualified to vote, as it did not trust the poor illiterate masses to make inform decisions about leadership.

Ihack:
If you supported buhari,you should hide in shame. You're one of the zombies that put the country in a state of topsy-turvy.

I don cover my head with shame already. I admit I made an error of judgement.

But, should we be making the same mistake by electing another Sick, Geriatric, corrupt, nepotic, dictatorial and power obsessed person as president?

kingyakos:
Nigerian youth contribute 70% of this country down fall. Imagine the youth supporting their ancestor to continue ruling them.
The present ancestor in power called them lazy youth and to me he's right because the crowd of lazy youth will gather today to support another of their oppressor and a very greedy and wicked one

Its all about cash.
The youth and in fact Nigerians in general are ready to sell their soul to the devil for quick cash.

MajorOvakporaye:
Cheap paid agent! You and the useless criminal Tinubu will be disgraced during the APC primaries

Don't mind them. They are trying to copy Amaechi who filled a stadium in his declaration rally.

Slurity:
Nonsense. It is the turn of south and let everyone interested from south contest and see who win

And its only Yoruba that is in the South.
And its only Ogun (and Lagos) that is in South West.

Imagine, in the 23 years of the 4th Republic.
Obasanjo from Ogun was President for 8 years.
Osibanjo from Ogun was Vice president for 8 years
Now Tinubu from Lagos (although they say he is actually from Osun) and Yemi Osibanjo from Ogun is angling to rule for another 8 years.

Not even minding that Dimeji Bankole (another Ogun citizen) and Femi Gbajamiamila (Lagos) were speaker house of representatives for 4 years respectively.

Is it only Yoruba that are in the South? And is it only Ogun that must appropriate all political offices allocated to the the Yorubas?
Can't an igbo man, an edo man or even another ijaw man rise to the presidency?

Jonathan was not even allowed to spend 8 years, meanwhile Buhari that is worse that Jonathan on all indices was allowed to complete 8 years.

Please note. I supported Buhari against Jonathan - my own ethnic brother.

Help2020:
you have summarized tinubu 100percent,nothing o add. Permit me to copy and paste on Twitter

Permission granted.

Help2020:
I'm Edo. And believe Edo,Deltans hate tinubu with passion,not just Igbo.

Don't mind him making it about the igbos. It betrays his hatred for the igbos.

No tribe and I repeat no tribe likes Tinubu or what he represents. He represents the worst of Nigerian politics - Godfatherism, corruption, political violence and manipulation. But the elites of all tribes (except igbo elites) loves Tinubu. That is because he controls APC and they need his patronage couple with the fact that he bribes them with gifts and cash.

sokera:
you don’t know how Tinubu, have you ever asked yourself how Tinubu got money to fight the military regime? That man is a billion naira before he joined politics… go and do your research well … what I know is Igbos are the real enemies of Tinubu, and I will be surprise if you are not Igbos

Lies. Billionaire ko, trillionaire ni. Tinubu that was living in a rented house on park view estate before he became governor billionaire?
Where did tinubu make his billions? As an employee of Mobil? Mr Researcher.

You are not different from IPOB. You tribalise everything. Instead of you to debate intellectually, you turn everything to tribal hatred. For your information, the only Yorubas that love tinubu are the political and religious elites, traditional rulers and Agberos, who are on Tinubus pay roll. Most ordinary Yorubas hate Tinubu. Tinubu cannot win election in Yoruba land without rigging, thuggery, intimidation and political manipulation. He cannot even win elections in his Eti-Osa Local Government. The average Yoruba who suffer Tinubu's over taxation and Agberos feels emasculated and helpless.

Dsalvo:
Amaechi is not in consideration. Forget his 'smoke screen' challenge. APC candidate will 100% be from the SW.

Political naivity.

But Obasanjo was in consideration in 1999, when he won the primaries against seasoned politicians like Atiku and Ekwueme and won the presidency straight from prison

Yaradua won the presidency was in consideration when he won the president from his sick bed in Germany.

Even Jonathan was not in consideration when he won the Vice president and the president two years later without any political base, even in his native Bayelsa.

Mandate2023:
U better wake up.....APC presidency is going to SW, all dis nairaland clown sef

Hw will Amaechi win d primary....less I forget u guys r expecting consensus.....funny....go and check d history of election in Nigeria...Jonathan was lucky coz of yaradua death....abiola beat northern candidates in d north, he many governors can stand with Amaechi today as we speak...dey will only give him there word which is not d reality....no one can become d president without d SW and am not saying dis coz am yoruba

Fallacy of the century. All the presidents since independence with the exception of Obasanjo in 2003, Jonathan in 2011 and Buhari 2015 and 2019 had been without the support of the South West. South West does not give block votes like the North, East and South South. If Amaechi can gather Northern, South South and South East Support, he would not need Yoruba support.

Munamu:
Another point to mention is the party chairman,who is a musiim from the North. Hence,the president,his vice and the party chairman cannot all be Muslims. But I think amaechi is the joker,and not osibanjo.

I have been screaming it for the last 3 months. Amaechi is the dark horse in all these. Tinubu and Osibanjo will cancel out each other.

This is what I call negativism. You take a negative view of life and only tend to see obstacles and excuses for failure.

Yes things are bad, but you make it worse that it actually is. lots of people are still making it legitimately.

Please read Vincent Norman Pearl's book "The Power of Positive Thinking" to change your outlook towards life.

Nasir123:
With the level of things happening in the Country already;
"Can a Legit hustling Nigerian make it 'Big' without involving in Fraud?"

Many many people make it without involving in fraud. I have 2 legitimate businesses and have never been involved with fraud. My wife owns an eatery business and have never been involved with fraud.

[b] -[s]Ordinary to register for NIN.. you'll settle (bribe).[/s]

I registered for NIN without settling anyone. All the people I know registered for NIN without bribing anyone. You would need to bribe if you want the NIN urgently and want to bypass the system.

-Police.. you'll bribe

Agreed. But if you have the time to waste and money to spend on lawyers, you might not need to bribe the police.

-CAC...you'll bribe

Why will you need to bribe CAC, when you can do all your company registration online without interacting with any CAC official.

-Employment... you'll bribe

It depends on the type of jobs and your skills or qualifications. There are some jobs that require certain skillsets and qualifications that the employers are even the ones that will bribe you to work for them.

-Driving licence.. you'll bribe

Why will you bribe to obtain your drivers license? The reason you pay more than the official price is because agents are involved most times and because you want it done faster. The official waiting period is up to 3 months.

-Any small government contract/matters, you'll have to bribe. [/b]

Yes all governments are corrupt. Anyone who is not prepared to be corrupt or corrupted should avoid government contracts.

So,can it be possible to make it big in this Country as it is now without being Fraudulent?
If Yes' How?

Some of us will like to know pls.

So many people make it big without stepping a foot out of nigeria. In fact many people fail abroad and come back to Nigeria and succeeded. I know someone that did not make it in the UK after 10 years, he came back into this country and started selling okrika. Today he is worth billions in dollars.

EastisBae:
There is a saying that when a lie is told severally, it will begin to look like the truth. Tinubu online urchins have been desperately lying to decieve gullible Nigerians about how tinubu made Lagos great but today, we would separate facts from fiction and truth from wicked propaganda.

Tinubu has made Lagos worse than it ordinarily should have been if he hadn't pressed his arthritis ridden leg on their necks. I will explain!

1. Lagos has always been the richest state in Nigeria since beginning of states. Even today, Lagos is still richer than all states in Nigeria including Abuja! Yet all these monies being generated in Lagos that should have been used in developing the state has been cornered by one man, his family and cronies! Lagos has been ranking as the second worst city to live in the world, back-to-back!

2. Cities that are same size with Lagos in Africa and generate same amount of revenue or even less all have better roads, good sanitation, pipe borne water, monorails and far better transportation system. Examples are Nairobi, Adis Ababa, Cairo, Rabat, J.bourg, Dar es Salam etc. However, in Lagos, most citizens particularly on the mainland live side-by-side with dirt and filth, most of them make use of unhealthy salty water in their homes because pipe borne water is non-existent, they wake up as early as 4 am in the morning only to return home at midnight daily because of terrible traffic nightmare they suffer! Tinubu never did anything significant to change this deplorable situation for the 8 years he ruled between 1999 and 2007. His hand-picked puppets weren't able to do anything as well because he remained in control of Lagos State affairs till today. Tax is paid through his company and of course he can only remit what he feels like to the Lagos State government while he pockets the rest. His sons, daughters and cronies are also in control of every other strategic revenue generating sector in Lagos thereby effectively making Lagos his private estate since 1999!

3. Tinubu met a Lagos State that was already the most industrialized and most developed in Nigeria. Housing oil companies headquarters, embassies, seaports, airports, bank and insurance headquarters, federal government agencies and virtually almost everything of economic worth was already domiciled in Lagos before he became governor. So what significant thing exactly has tinubu done to improve the fortunes of Lagos?

4. Tinubu and his hordes of agberos both online and offline will claim that tinubu increased the IGR of Lagos from 1kobo to 1billion dollars. Now, ask them, what has he done with the money in improving Lagos? Why would he tax businesses to death only to steal the money in bullion vans? Of course, it would be easy to tax businesses in Lagos since it has always been the political and later economic capital of Nigeria yet those paying the tax can't point to what their hard-earned monies are being used for. Ask 100 Lagosians if they are happy with the situation in Lagos and not less than 90 will tell you no! Most Lagosians will happily run away from Lagos if there income is assured.

5. Lagos was already a developed state when tinubu took over in 1999 and has continued to rule Lagos by proxy ever since yet other states in Nigeria have been able to build mega infrastructures since the same period. Akwa Ibom has built a massive stadium, airport, airline, highways and bridges etc. But when it comes to Lagos, tinubu and his online urchins will start listing private sector investments like Dangote refinery and the rest. Lagos is richer than many countries in Africa yet it can't boast of any significant public infrastructure except the ones built in the 1970's. Why? Because one man is busy primitively stealing and accumulating wealth he can't be able to finish nor his children to the fifth generation!

So when tinubu online urchins are fed with utter lies and propaganda to decieve the public, I only shake my head because Tinubu is the worst thing to happen to Lagos State. In saner climes, such a criminal would be in prison but here we are having our sensibilities assaulted by him, telling us he wants to rule Nigeria.

How someone will support Tinubu for the post of President of Nigeria is beyond me.
What are his governance and social philosophies.

What are his economic and business philosophies?

What are his antecedents and achievements. Yes he worked as an accountant for Mobil for a few years and then went on exile. He the came back to assume governor for 8 years. In those 8 years he institutionalized agbero, so much so that all Lagos residents and businesses are at the mercy of agbero. He used thuggery, bribery and election rigging to hold Lagos as his personal estate. He installed his larkies as traditional chiefs and rulers including the Oba of Lagos. He installed his acolytes in every political post in Lagos, from local government chairmen to house of reps to even federal house of representatives and Senate. He installed his wife as senator representing Lagos, his daughter as Iya oloja and his angling to install his son as governor of Lagos. Lagos is becoming a monarchy with King (Ashiwaju) Bola Tinubu as Emperor.

And you guys want to replicate the same thing in Nigeria? God forbid. Tinubu only care about aquistition of power and wealth. He had never been interested in the welfare and suffering of the masses.

tinsel:
https://dailytrust.com/niger-gov-endorses-tinubus-presidential-ambition

Was it Governor Ganduje that made the statement?

Here is a quote from the article:

The governor, who was represented by the Managing Director of Kano Road Traffic Agency, Dr Baffa Dan’agundi, said it has become necessary for Northerners to reciprocate the gesture of the people of South-West in 2015 when they supported Major General Muhammadu Buhari (retd.) to become the President.

See the low ranking officer that represented Governor Ganduje, a mere LASTMA equivalent. What happened to the deputy governor or even the commissioner for transport?

Governor don't commit until the last minute.