₦airaland Forum

Originalsly:
Putting aside religious beliefs or lack of any ... the Supreme Court is correct in that the Constitution does not cover such an issue. Such a matter is to decided by individual States. It was wrong in the first place ... an abomination ... for the Supreme Court to legalize abortion in 1973 ... they don't have that authority. New York and New Jersey are now rolling out the red carpet for ones to do abortion.

The abortion issue is purely religious. The Supreme Court tried to protect women's rights on their bodies. The Christian and Muslim religion tries to control and subjugate women. They have always attempted to dictate when, where and how a women should have sex. They want to use the pregnancy and baby as punishment for getting pregnant without a man to care for her and the baby. They don't care about the life of the baby once birthed.

If these religious extremists insist on banning abortion. They should also make laws punishing men that impregnated the baby that was aborted, and also make laws mandating the men responsible to pay for the upkeep of the baby from pregnancy to teens.

omooba969:
Abortion should be illegal in the western countries, NOT in third world countries bcoz it's wicked to deliberately bring an innocent child into a SAPAsized society.

And they tell you there is no SAPA in western countries. Then you have not traveled to US and UK.

Righteousness2:
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.



The Bible teaches that at Conception, an unborn child is a Human being that GOD is Forming.

That's what the Bible says. Not everyone follows the bible, and not everyone that claims to follow the bible follow the bible.

A Mother who decides to abort her child is making a decision to End another's person Life and that is and always has been the Definition of Murder.

She does not want to be a mother. If the baby can be transplanted into another woman or the fertilised egg can be incubated outside the woman, then the issue of abortion will not come up. Its her body and she can decide she doesn't want a baby in it.

Abortion is Evil and the height of Wickedness.
Repent if u have engaged in it and stop it if you are having such thoughts.
It is Wickedness and would Destroy your soul in Hell.

To me birthing and unwanted baby into this world at these economic times is wickedness. Using a baby as punishment for a woman's sexual sins is pure evil.

tribalistdcriti:
They don't have any point they'll be fùcking without condom but when belle nab them, them go wan commot am, very Good.

Whether they'll be fùcking with or without condom, that non of your fùcking business. When belle nab them and them wan commit am, volunteer your womb so they can transplant the baby, since you want it.

If Nancy Pepsi mum had aborted her would she be alive to be shouting abortion yen yen
"go harder go harder deeper, I'm loving it baby put it on me baby" but when result of of "deeper baby" show you go wan comot am

Stupid argument. Nancy Pelosi mum did not abort her, because she wanted a baby, and was not forced or blackmailed to have a baby.

ralphelo:
Thats her Foster father. Chief Pius Akinyelure. Currently on the board of nnpc. The closest friend of Asiwaju Bola Almed Tinubu.
A lot of ignorance people on social media dont know the powerful people in the life of this lady.

What do you mean Foster father? The man has 8 children from 2 wives. I know all chief Akinyelure's children.

We4all:
The man isn’t her biological dad na. Her parents are late.

Which father? The person in the picture that celebrated his birthday on May 2nd with his family in Dubai is Chief Pius Akinyelure. Former Boss of Asiwaju Bola Tinubu and currently a board member at Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation

syntekelite:
My friend is yoruba,the wife is from the east..
As to paternity and the constitution,sharia is being practised in kano and parts of kaduna,is sharia in the constitution?

You friend willingly chose to abide by tradition of the east, probably due to love.He cannot be forced. I also have an example thats close to me.

One of my wife's uncle is is famed for being irresponsible as he is a drug addict, has 8 children from 4 different women. His live in lover with whom he has an 18 year old daughter died just about 8 months ago. Mind you this man is pure igbo and the live in girlfriend is yoruba. When she became critically ill, he was not even around yo take her to the hospital. He is often away from home for days at a time. He never even visited her at the hospital. When she died and was informed, he switched off his phone and could not be reached for days. No one told the family of the woman before they settled the medical bills and took her to her family house for burial. He never attended the burial. When we jokingly said, the family would come for him, he told us he will be waiting. This man is pure "jaguda ". The family only came one day to pack the woman's belonging.

This man would even gladly dash the daughter to the wife's family and has to be forced to pay her school fees.

What I am getting at is that the girls family is exploiting the fact that the OP is gentle and has conscience. If he was an area boy or "jaduda", they won't dare ask for bride price not to talk of threatening.

Yes, I agree sharia ( the criminal aspects) violates the constitution. But then it is only practiced in the North. Why do the easterners want to impose their own sharia outside the east?

Pertaining to paternity a man who never legally married a woman has no total claim over the child in a court of law,cos the court of law respects only the law which will be a marriage certificate or registry certificate which the man has neither so why will said child bear his name? The man can only be awarded joint custody with the family of the wife cos he was her boyfriend and baby daddy not her husband and thats after the court orders a dna test..
Has it even crossed your mind that the family can deny he is the father after all they were just dating as such the woman is free to date someone else since the man never bothered to do right by her..
Not supporting the family,am a realist that knows that anything is possible and so must respect some strange and unusual circumstances peculiar to diff tribes..
in all such instances have come across,the man involved almost never wins.. you see those uncles in the east never mess with them..

This is a fallacy. Please quote relevant sections of the Nigerian constitution or any law that supports this. The only thing a court needs to determine paternity is a birth certificate or a court ordered DNA test.

Now does this your fabled law apply through out the whole world, throughout Nigeria or throughout the East?

syntekelite:
Thats why its called tradition not constitution.. trust me the child will be taken by the womans family if he doesnt do what they want at least to an extent..

The constitution is above any culture or tradition.
There is no law in the constitution, act or edict that grants the child to the grandparents. If the girls family insists on taking the child, then the matter should be settled legally.

the main reason why it became an issue in the first place is cos she died in the mans house,there are baby mamas still living in their fathers house or their own apartment alone..if she had died in her fathers house or her own house such demands wont have come up..there is a distinct difference btw the two scenario's that you have to u.stand..

That he died in the OPs house doesn't mean he killed her. If that is the case then it would be a homicide and not paternity or bride price issue. He even said he spent over a million naira in medical expenses trying to save her. Where were her family when she was suffering and succumbing to the disease that killed her? How much did they contribute? She died and all they could care about is bride price.

also if you read the op's thread you will sense an arrogance or maybe ignorance of the way things are done in diff cultures.. imagine someone cohabiting with a child of another man just calls and says he wants to plan burial of their daughter...someone he has a child with,lives with for years but never did any formal introduction with her family,now wants to do burial....

I also did not agree with the manner the OP took in informing the family of her death, even though I blame the family for abandoning their daughter when she needed them most. They should not have left everything to the boyfriend. Even if my daughter is married and she fell critically sick, I will not be able to sleep. I will make sure I do all I can to save her.
As I said, the OP has no right to plan any burial since they were never married. He should have first told them of their daughter demise and asked how to proceed. If they need him to foot the burial expenses, he should gladly accept. What I quarrel with is the marriage and bride price thing. If you tell my family you want to go and pay the bride price of a dead girl, no one will follow you.

If as he is insinuating that the family is threatening him with violence and kidnapping his son, he should make a formal report at the police station. He should then get a lawyer to write the family officially informing them of the death of their daughter with the medical records and autopsy included. He should also inform them on the whereabout of her corpse and still ask how they want to proceed.

One of my man has 5kids with a woman he never married..they are practically married but not in the eyes of the law or God.. he just did the introduction recently,the reason... a friend from the same tribe with his wife told my man.. if your woman die for your house you no fit bury her and your children no go bear your name unless he travels to the east to do the traditional rites with her family..

As I said, both your friend and the woman are from the east. If the man is Hausa or a foreigner that Eastern traditional you are talking about will not apply, unless he willingly agrees.

syntekelite:
Thats my point all along,it aint an argument, its a statement of fact based on my years of experiencing such traditions.. i am not sayin this based on hearsay its based on eye witness account..as for the parents thats their way,they patiently watch and wait till something like this happens,trust me they would have told their daughter to bring the baby father for introduction,some dont..at the end of it all most cases have seen they take the child and change his or her surname to the woman's maiden name..

What i want you to accept is that culture is different. Eastern culture is different from northern culture or western culture. Eastern culture just like Shariah in the North should only apply to easterners and the east. I

Me, I am an extremely strict person person. I will never allow daughter to go live with a man she is not betrothed to. Thats why I work so hard to train and educate my daughter. I don't want the shameful situation of my daughter having to depend on another man for survival

If in the unfortunate situation my daugher gets pregnant by mistake for a random guy, thats a different matter. If the one responsible for the pregnancy is not ready to marry her, I along with the guys parents will dicuss how the child will be raised. If they reject their parental rights, I will get legally adopt the child and train it as mine. One thing I can never do is force the guy to marry my daughter.

Finally, you cannot take the child and change his or her surname to the woman's father's name without legal recourse, unless the father is not interested in claiming paternity. The matter would be taken to court. I don't see a court in the West or North granting paternity to the child's grandparents when the father is alive, willing and capable.

syntekelite:
Seems you know nothin about eastern culture.. u cohabit with a woman, no formal introduction, no traditional wedding, and they both stay far from the woman's home,she unfortunately passed away, tell me how the woman's family is supposed to react?? What if she was used, or beaten or many other scenarios to many to list, seems you dont know the meaning of marriage.... Its why prosecutors cant compel a woman to testify against her husband thats how strong tying the knot is.. if that guy jam better eastern folks he wont even have strength to type on nairaland .

Eastern culture you say.i am not from the east and I don't live in the east. So what concerns me with Eastern culture? Thats how one supposedly educated igbo person became my enemy because I countered the igbo archaic culture of not allowing a woman to inherit her father's property, even though supreme Court has ruled otherwise. I told him in my culture women are entitled to her father's properties.

Parents that should be ashamed of allowing their daughter live with a man for years without bride price are now crying and threatening all over the place because they want to exploit their daughters death to collect money. If its my place, the girls family will be ashamed and quietly bury their daughter.

You guys encourage your daughters to pack load into a guys house, get pregnant for him, and then start threatening him to pay bride price, dead or alive.

I have never seen where to marry a living person is by force, not to talk of a dead person

This law visually renders all African Traditional Religions illegal.

Even Miracles and healings by Pastors such as T.B.Joshua and Oyakhilome is unlawful.

HRprof:
For your information FFK paid precious bride price and for Davido his eye will clear if anything happen to Chioma like the case of OP. They have already told him that Ifeanyi is not yet his son until he paid bride price. Igbo’s tradition has no respect to your riches I’m sure you know that Igbo’s are more richer than the names you mention.
In the case of OP if the lady in question happens to be an Igbo women they might allow the law of the land deal with him natural if failed to adhere by the tradition before he bury his wife but if she is Akwaibom I bet you he will be buried together with the lady they will never spare him alife. You dey joke with deities

I will appreciate it if you can provide links to the traditional marriage of Precious where FFK paid her bride price.

What's stopping Chioma's patents? Why have they not gone to claim Ifeanyi as theirs since davido refused to pay chiomas bride price?
You want to leave your igboland and impose your igbo laws and custom in Osun or Lagos.

The law of which land deal with the OP? Will the dieties of igboland or calabarland travel to Lagos or where the OP lives to deal with him?

sanpipita:
A whole Chief Of Staff getting taken out just like that, even boko haram has barely touched our generals talk more of chief of staff, every day Russia military keeps getting exposed to ridicule.

Next thing we will hear Putin himself has been injured at the war front.

And you think the Ukrainian military were able to achieve all these on their own?
Its the British and US intelligence that is providing intelligence, logistics support and arms to sustain the war with Russians. All Russian troop movements and formation is supplied the Ukrainian military. I am sure even Russian communications is being intercepted and passed unto the Ukrainians.

Nnefada:
I actually wanted to read and pass but this comment of yours touched me. You now refer to the woman that bore your precious son as 'it'. It is now their daughter. After you have f-cked life out of her. Weldone sir.
Anyways if you need that your son, you must pay that bride price.... Igbos value it alot. Except she's not igbo

Igbos are beginning to sound like ISIS. Others dont have to abide by igbo traditions and religion by threats and blackmail. In my culture its a taboo to marry a corpse.

He fùcked the life out of her and she also fùck the life out him him. Fucking is notba crime and the Nigerian common law does not predicate paternity on bride price.

The guy is being blackmailed because the he is probably from a poor family. You can't try this shit with Davido or Fani kayode. Precious had 4 children for FFK without him paying any bride price.
You igbos should lead a riot to Davido's house or FFK's house now, to collect the children's as there were no bride price involved.

The events took place outside igboland and the guy is not igbo, so I don't understand how you guys want to impose igbo culture on another tribe or state. If you try this in kano, they will behead you.

syntekelite:
You are lucky they didnt charge you for murder...

Charge for murder? What evidence is there for murder? To prove murder, the family would have to provide evidence, motif and murder weapon or means of murder. The judge will throw out the case on second sitting.

So the family has evidence to prove murder, they would forget the case once he paid bride price abi.

Cheap blackmail.

DkJay:


The girl was 17 last year when he first made the post about the gifts he was receiving from her.

So what do you think? Will they prosecute him based on her being a minor or adult?

If she is less than 18 then legally she cannot be held liable for stealing her mothers money and items. It can be labelled grooming. Then if it can be proven he has had sex with her, he can be charged for rape.

dionma:
As a first step, send back whatever is remaining to her account. And then own up that you bleeped up and show yourself. The 201k you have sent will help your case. Otherwise you are a goner

He should not send any money without the agreement of the mother. If he did that he would have lost the only leverage he has. She could accuse him of receiving more money in cash and stolen items from her daughter.

Znation:
Please someone should tell me what to do please. Will it be safe if i sleep in my house, it's late already and i can't go to my house

Relax. Call her and apologise for what has happened. Offer to refund the N250k and maybe a little more for inconveniences she had undergone. Calling police is not cheap in Nigeria. She would have spent about N10k to bring police to your house.

The case is a bit complex, as you did not steal the money yourself. You cannot be prosecuted without involving her daughter as well as the money was transfered from her account, and she will not want her daughter arrested and prosecuted. Except they twist the story and alleged that you threatened her daughter.

If she agrees go with a senior family member or a lawyer if you have one that can follow you for free or cheap. When paying back the money make sure you use bank transfer directly from your account for record purposes. If you don't have the full sum now, transfer what you have and give a date to pay the balance.

If the case goes to police and subsequently to court, you and your girlfriend's mum would down a lot of money. She might even spend more than the N250k, as she will first be required to bail her daughter. Mention this to her if she refuses to cooperate.

Final issue. You will also need to settle the IPO to close the case. A minimum of N10k

One more thing - I hope her daughter (your girlfriend) is not a minor (under 18). If she is, you are in for a lot more trouble.

Znation:
i'm not a thief, what ever she give to me is from her mind. And i also give her

You are a thief. A person can receives stolen items and money is also considered a theif according yo the law. To make matters worse you were aware the stole money and items from hers mums shop to give, so you have no excuse to claim ignorance.

Agbebakun22:
what she did is morally wrong but doesn't warrant to be manhunt with our scarce resources. Misplaced priority

I don't even blame her. In a society that places acquision of quick wealth above any moral code, a society where criminals are the role models, this is her way of making it fast. If she Had not posted it online and just fùck dogs for N2,000,000 per round. She would have been praised and eugolized for being blessed. She would have bought big cars, built houses without anyone asking how she came about the money. If a few of us asked, we would have been shut down and asked " why did we not ask of the source of her poverty"?

We have not asked that yahoo boy, drug barons, agberos, kidnappers, ritualists and politicians about what they did to become president millionaires and billionaires, it is this small girl you are all manhunting.

Agbebakun22:
you're typing with emotions as long is not harmful to others no issues. There's freedom to live in the constitution. Black man always leave logics and mind you emotions don't win argument.

Imagine. Nigeria is going up in flame. We are not sure we will survive 2023 and Nigerians are wasting precious scarce resources fighting moral crimes. This is like someone's house on fire and the occupants chasing rats.

We waste too much energy on irrelevant things while expending little energy on issues that really matter.

dalass:
Okay, to you now... Once the cooking gas and electric aspect is fine, then the children can get to do any sick act with cats, dogs, chicken and it doesn't matter? Ten year olds have sex like pros and nothing is wrong

Which children are you talking about? The alleged girl is not a child. Doing any sick act with cats, dogs, chicken wouldn't have mattered if it was not posted online. The actual crime to me is posting it online for the world to see. People do all sorts of depravities in the privacy of their homes.

Buying cooking gas, petrol, food and finding productive work should be issues that attract our attention and energies and not what one immoral act a sick girl does for money.

In a country where people cut of heads, breasts and private parts for as little as N50,000 for money rituals, you are surprised a girl is sleeping with a dog for N2,000,000.
For the same N2,000,000, many guys would be prepared to kill their mother or siblings.

Futurethankgod:
Nairaland i know? hmm let me see.

Oga Seun has not significantly improved or upgraded nairaland since its creation. He only changed fonts and colours once I think. If nairaland was owned by an Oyimbo, it would have been competing with Reddit and Twitter by now. Still no video or audio allowed, no chat features, not even an app.

Also his revenue profile does not measure up to his close to 3 million registered members. Even with multiple monikers, I am sure the number of unique register users are up to 1 million.

No wonder someone was bidding $250k for it, while Twitter was sold for over $40 billion.

Just a friendly observation and advice.

ikeasogwa:
Where is the video?

You mean you can watch a video of a girl having sex with a dog? If I watch that, I will be traumatized for a long time.

Okhuadams:
They the police are simply after the money not her after all na her body

Don't mind the police. There are cultists, Agberos, armed robbers, Fulani Herdsmen, bandits, Unknown Gunmen taking over the country. But they are only interested in wasting their time and resources on soft targets like yahoo boys, expired car documents, blasphemy, homosexuals and lesbians and now alleged bestiality.

Imagine man hunt for one deranged girl who claim to have slept with dogs. Me, I can't even watch such a video and I hail those who have the stomach to watch it. To me the girl needs rehabilitation than lynching. I doubt the girl and her family can walk the streets and she would stigmatized for life.

vickydevoka:
Exactly. That's how homosexual started. N ladies are dangerous they want to normalize by saying is their body. Ladies have normalize many bad things like lesbianism using vibrators

So homosexuality, lesbianism and using vibrators are the crimes that are destroying the society?
What of massive corruption that has stolen your future and your children's future?
What of terrorists that kidnap, rape and kills women on a daily basis, including children? What of ritualists that kill and behead young girls everyday in search of quick wealth?

I think the white men and Arabs gave us their religions to distract us from the real development. They make us priotise and waste energy on irrelevant issues while they continue to exploit us.

No wonder France, China and even Russia had to ban religion before they could start developing their nations.

dalass:
Yes it is.

Little girls will do same with any available dog because they will believe it is okay and normal thing, even without money.

And that will give you security, bring down the cost of cooking gas or provide electricity to your house.
Talk about wrong priority.

tballeyy:
Instead to lunch man hunt for bandit and gboko harram

Don't mind them. Terrorists kidnapped young girls and women with one giving birth in captivity, the police did not launch manhunt for the Terrorists. Its a harmless deranged girl they are wasting police resources to manhunt. The police have not launch manhunt for fulani herdsmen who have been murdering, raping and killing people but they are always manhunting harmless and armless girls involved in sexual crimes.

Jsaviour:
Since you said you won't marry her, please give their daughter's son back to them. He is not your son since you didn't marry her. This is the danger of cohabitation. You are lucky they didn't frame you that you kidnapped their daughter. From my own angle, I wouldn't advice you to marry a corpse either but you can't eat your cake and have it back. Nothing goes for nothing. Give them the child because he isn't your son (you didn't marry his mother)

How I wish you listened to your mother or better still paid her bride price when she was alive. You didn't have to do all the ceremonies. Just the small payment and tell them you will come later for the main thing.

This is a very serious issue. Nobody will be happy for losing their daughter.

Since some people claimed you can use court to retain your son, please do that.

In your next life, you will learn to listen to your mother and also learn to do the right thing.

This is warning case to men who are keeping people's daughters without marriage

Give them their daughters son back? You must be very wicked. You want to punish the innocent child because his father cohabited with his mother without marrying her? Do you think the grandparents in the village are capable of taking care of the boy? Are they financially capable enough to take care of the educational requirements of the kid? They would just direct the anger that they have for the father to the kid. If you abandon the kid now, he will never forgive the father when he grows up. It's easy for you to move on, marry another woman amd have kids. But it would be very difficult on the kid, growing up without a mother and father.

Please don't abandon the kid. Fight to keep and educate him.

I don't understand why Nigerians love punishing innocent children for the supposed sins of their parents.

goziem1982:
You see mistake people make, bros this is not something to be stubborn on, even the bible is against your act. You didn't do the right thing, how would you live with her for a long time without doing the needful? even when she has given you a child. You would have paid the bride price only leaving the other ones pending. Tradition is brutal when you fail to respect it, they may mess you up if you don't take time.
Do this: go to any some elders in your family and explain this to them, they will direct you on what to do. The way you are handling this is childish, they may make your life miserable if you don't handle it wisely.

You people quote bible for every diabolical act. Did the Bible recommend anyone marrying a corpse?

PastorFire:
This is not exclusive to Igbo culture but a cultural norm everywhere. As far as her family is concern, he is a stranger and not a family member regardless of whatever transpired between him and their daughter. Moreso, something tells me, he is indirectly responsible for her death. He wouldn't go so far to loan millions to save a woman he is betrothed to. Neither will the family sit back and watch him take up all the responsibility.
There is something he is not telling us.

Which cultural norm everywhere? I have never heard any one marrying a dead baby mamma or girlfriend in Yoruba land, so also ijaw, itsekiriland and urhoboland. In fact in these areas, baby mammas are the order of the day. If you are to marry every girl that gives you a child, most men in warri or yoruba land will have multiple wives.

I also don't think this also applies in most northern tribes.