₦airaland Forum

MissingBudget:
Saraki should summon the senate. The president does not have such rights!

The Senate can't do anything. The CJN was not removed, he was merely suspended.

lordtriplee:
Don't be an ignorant fellow. Read.


The CJN holds office at the pleasure of the Nigerian constitution and can only be removed from office by death or on attainment of age 70 whichever occurs first or by impeachment by the Senate of the Federal Republic of Nigeria which requires a super majority of the members of the Nigerian Senate.

Technically the CJN was not "removed" from office, he was merely suspended. You do not need Senate approval to suspend a CJN or any other officer that required Senate approval. It was the same way the then CBN governor Lamido Sanusi was suspended without Senate backing.

kingmeme:
Am officially an atheist, any form to fill?

This seems like a prank. Someone does not officially become an atheist and definitely does not look for forms to fill. Who do you expect to give you a form?

Atheist is a personal journey, a journey of discovery. You are journeying to discover yourself and not what someone says you are. It takes time, years, sometimes decades. You start by having doubts of what you have been inculcated in since birth. Then fears starts creeping in and you cast those doubts aside. After a while the doubts starts creeping back again, this time much stronger. You make more effort to throw those doubts again and throw yourself harder into your religion to cover these doubts.
But one day, just one day, the whole facade comes crumbling down and you will be exasperated that the whole new world in front of you. That is when your journey to self discovery starts. You will then be free to unleash your true potentials.

frank317:
Yes, no known God exist. Whatever u call God is just in ur head

Yes Gods exist, but in the minds of the people or persons that created that particular God.

Now answer this question;
Who created who?
God created man in his own image.
Or
Man created God in his own image.

atiku4President:
After making mockery of It? You are not giving to man but as unto God. Your reward will also be a mockery.

But you other brother say God no dey chop okra soup, so who go chop the first fruit?

JasonScolari:
Lol, my brother, you've done well but God nor dey CHOP okra soup.

Carry your first fruit to the Imbe called Bubu.

But God dey spend Naira and dollars?
The imbe called Bubu also no dey chop okra soup, natural Fura him dey chop.

cocolacec:
Dr. Bernard Nathanson's classic video that shocked the world. He explains the procedure of a suction abortion, followed by an actual first trimester abortion as seen through ultrasound. The viewer can see the child's pathetic attempts to escape the suction curette as her heart rate doubles, and a "silent scream" as
her body is torn apart. A great tool to help people see why abortion is murder. The most important video on abortion ever made. This video changed opinion on abortion to many people.

Introduction by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, host. Describes the technology of ultrasound and how, for the first time ever, we can actually see inside the womb. Dr. Nathanson further describes the ultrasound technique and shows examples of babies in the womb. Three-dimensional depiction of the developing fetus, from 4 weeks through 28 weeks. Display and usage of the abortionists' tools, plus video of an abortionist performing a suction abortion. Dr. Nathanson discusses the abortionist who agreed to allow this abortion to be filmed with ultrasound.

The abortionist was quite skilled, having performed more than 10,000 abortions. We discover that the resulting ultrasound of his abortion so appalled him that he never again performed another abortion. The clip begins with an ultrasound of the foetus (girl) who is about to be aborted. The girl is moving in the womb; displays a heartbeat of 140 per minute; and is at times sucking her thumb. As the abortionist's suction tip begins to invade the womb, the child rears and moves violently in an attempt to avoid the instrument. Her mouth is visibly open in a "silent scream." The child's heart rate speeds up dramatically (to 200 beats per minute) as she senses aggression. She moves violently away in a pathetic attempt to escape the instrument. The abortionist's suction tip begins to rip the baby's limbs from its body, ultimately leaving only her head in the uterus (too large to be pulled from the uterus in one piece). The abortionist attempts to crush her head with his forceps, allowing it to be removed.

In an effort to "dehumanize" the procedure, the abortionist and anaesthesiologist refer to the baby's head as "number 1." The abortionist crushes "number 1" with the forceps and removes it from the uterus. Abortion statistics are revealed, as well as who benefits from the enormously lucrative industry that has developed. Clinics are now franchised, and there is ample evidence that many are controlled by organized crime. Women are victims, too. They haven't been told about the true nature of the unborn child or the facts about abortion procedures. Their wombs have been perforated, infected, destroyed, and sterilized. All as a result of an operation about which they have had no true knowledge.

Films like this must be made part of "informed consent." NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League) and Planned Parenthood are accused of a conspiracy of silence, of keeping women in the dark about the reality of abortion.

Finally, Dr. Nathanson discusses his credentials. He is a former abortionist, having been the director of the largest clinic in the Western world.

'Pro-life Action League' fights for children's fundamental human rights:
http://www.prolifeaction.co.uk/

Apologeet has written an essay on the subject. Highly recommended (do not forget to read the postscript):
https://www.apologeet.nl/studies/essa...

This is for your educational purposes only


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hb3DFELq4Y

This is simply emotional blackmail, I am sure the abortion was performed at the late period of the first trimester, if the abortion was performed before the 6th week, all these would not be experienced.

Whatever your personal views may be, you cannot force a woman who definitely does not want a baby to have and care for the baby by force. Various societies have tried to ban and criminalise abortion principally on religious grounds, it does not work. The latest to abolish the criminalisation of all forms of abortion is Ireland (a predominantly Catholic society). A more practical approach is to control abortion.

frosbel2:
I was pondering this morning about murder , you know , with all the disturbing front page articles on murder and the gruesome pictures shown. I started thinking , how can people be so heartless and lacking in empathy to the extent of not just killing a fellow being but doing so in a manner that is savagely barbaric. These murderers must have mental health issues, anger problems or just plain evil built into their DNA.

Murder is part of human existence or should I say animal existence, some will say it is inbuilt into our DNA. Murder is due to greed, aggression and survival instinct built into animal DNA. Now, murder also can be detrimental to the survival of a society if it is not controlled or at least reduced, so various societies evolve means of reducing it within its society.

Many societies especially in ancient times do not view murdering of others (meaning others of different races, tribes, religions, social status and even political views) as murder. Although today, the western civilization has greatly control murder, there are still murders going on on a massive scale in other climes without anyone raising eyebrows, ie Syria, Palestinian, Yemen, Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Following this thinking, I began to wonder, but what about abortion, is it murder and if yes, is there a difference between a murderer who kills a grown man or woman, and someone who aborts a fetus.

Abortion has never been equated legally, socially or even medically as murder. It is only the religious folks
( Christian fundamentalists) that attempts to forcefully equate the two )

Few things to consider about the Fetus

- The fetus is in a sort of oblivious state of being as it pertains to consciousness
- The fetus is not fully formed as a human being, so perhaps may not yet be a human being
- The fetus may be the result of a rape or unintended consequences ( such as intercourse between two careless people )
- The fetus may possess a deformity that if allowed to fully mature will result in a life of pain.

At what state is the fetus in a sort of oblivious state of being as it pertains to consciousness? At conception, one month after conception or 6 months after conception? Or are you insinuating that the sperm and ovum are also in a sort of oblivious state of being as it pertains to consciousness?

Legally a fetus is not person or a baby? A fetus becomes a baby the minute it is capable of independent existence. I am going to have a baby is not the same thing as I have a baby.

LZAA:
Was speaking about the actual shift in power ie the date

The actual shift in military power was July 1966 after lots of Igbo officers were killed or had to fled. Most Igbo soldiers went back to the east to join the Biafran army. The Nigerian army therefore became dominated by northern officers and soldiers.

LZAA:
Think u mean the july coup

The January 1966 coup led to the July 1966 counter coup.

LZAA:
Hope u know shodeinde was a colonel when maimalari was a brigader?
According to the seniority list u have 7 northerners as the middle belt and core north were lumped together at the time.
The jan boys killed anyone who could oppose or alert anyone of the coup hence the murder of unegbe (quartermaster general of the army) when they were already with arms to stop him from alerting maimalari
That igbos dominated the military corps doesn't mean they were the most senior
Far from it

That's the problem with you guys, you do not understand the dynamics or details of issues before expecting to be given position of power, else you play the victim card.

Yes shodeinde was commissioned officer before maimalari but maimalari was commissioned as a regular officer, while shodeinde was commissioned from the ranks. Even today officers commissioned after the regular course at NDA get more rapid promotions than officers that rose through the ranks.

“Now to the issue of the appointment of the first Nigerian GOC of the Army. Zakariya Maimalari and Lawan Umar were the first Nigerians to join the Army fresh after secondary school as officer cadets, and became commissioned as regular officers. Aguiyi Ironsi, Samuel Ademulegun, Ralph Sodeinde, Babafemi Ogundipe, Adeyinka Adebayo, Adekunle Fajuyi—and even Welington Bassey—were all commissioned from the ranks.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thecable.ng/gowon-maimalari-not-head-state-nzeogwu-coup/amp

The most senior army officer before and immediately after the January 1966 coup was an igbo man. From the list of senior officers of the rank of major or captain only maimalari was listed all the others were southerners. Igbos had two captains and one major.

How can you then say because igbos dominated the military corps doesn't mean they were the most senior.

It was the January 1966 coup that changed the dynamics of the army and allowed the north to take control of the army.

Just30:
check every measure of the progress of human society
and you will realise all the areas that Ghana is better

I asked to list one, and you are talking every. I said list one area Ghana is better than Nigeria.

LZAA:
Apart from ironsi,the most senior officers in the millitary were actually northerners
Maimalari,pam,largema and kur were not southerners
The igbo officers who carried out that coup were all middle ranks and maimalari actually disciplined an igbo officer for trying to cheat a hausa NCO and that officer took part in the jan coup

False.
These are a list of the 30 of the first officers and hence the most senior officers of the Nigerian army at independence;

Captain Robert Adeyinka Adebayo
Captain Philip Effiong
Captain Umeh Ogere Imo
Major Samuel Adesoji Ademulegun
Major Wellington Bassey
Major General Norman Forster (GOC, Nigerian Army)
Major Aguiyi Ironsi
Major Ralph Adetunji Shodeinde
Captain Zakaria Maimalari
Captain Conrad Nwawo
Captain David Akpode Ejoor.
Lt Igboba
Lt George Remunoiyowun Kurubo
Lt J Akahan Akaga
Lt Patrick Awunah
Lt Louis Ogbonnia
Lt Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu
Lt Eyo Ekpo
Lt Author Unegbe,
Lt Abogo Largema.
Lt Hillary Mbilitem Njoku
2nd Lt Macauley Nzefili
2nd Lt David Ogunewe
2nd Lt Shadrack
Lt Alexander Madiebo
2nd Lt Anthony Eze
Lt Yakubu Gowon
2nd Lt Sylvanus Nwanjei
Lt Yakubu Pam
2nd Lt Hassan Katsina.

How many of them were northerners?

LZAA:
Why this tin dy pain u like this
Just as the north dominated ruling positions due to the british,the igbos dominated the military and economy due to intelligence and were RIGHTLY the majority in the officer corps at the time
Hope u like as ur army now has arabic in it's crest in a SECULAR country

Which ruling position did the north dominate? Apart from the prime minister, which other position did the north hold that the other regions did not? In Tafa Balewa's cabinet there were only 2 northerners.
The most senior officers in the military as of then we're southerners.

oyebanji44:
well..to me,it was totally inconceivable that those who claimed to be fighting for unity and oneness could impose such hardsships,such terrible suffering,agony,privations on fellow human beings not to talk of fellow citizens.My broda sorry ooo Gud nite

That's the nature of war and is actually an effective strategy. Britain got Basra to surrender during the first gulf war without firing a single bullet. They laid siege on the town made sure nothing and nobody went in or came out. After one month the fighters surrendered.

See what is happening in Yemen today as the Saudis imposed a total air, sea and land blockage of the country.

gidgiddy:
I wonder why some people keep saying that Nzeogwus coup caused the civil war? That's like saying that the wright brothers are responsible for airplane crashes for inventing the airplane.

The civil war started 18 months after Nzeogwus coup so that was not the cause. Personally, I condemn coup plotting, particularly the one against a democratically elected government and Nzeogwus coup should be condemned

But this false narrative that Nzeogwus coup was responsible for everything wrong with Nigeria today must be debunked. Every country in West Africa, with the exception of Cameroon, went through a coup in the 60's and 70's.

Ghana went through coups, but they did not fight and the Regional structure did not change. Ghana is today the success story of West Africa

The reason the civil war was fought was because Igbos refused to willingly sumbit to Northern domination like all other regions did

Ghana success story in West Africa? How? Please state criteria where Ghana is more successful than Nigeria.

Northern domination of other regions, How? I thought the nation was practicing true federalism then, and each region had its own government and legislature.

The Nzeogwu coup was the chain reaction that led to the civil war, there is no argument about that. Kaunas Nzeogwu and his colleagues conspirators murdered senior military and political leaders of the other regions and the northerners decided to take revenge on the igbos living in the north, thereby leading to exodus back east and Ojukwu declaring independence and hence the civil war.

This same joke defeated Atiku roundly in the 2014 presidential primaries (which Atiku actually came third), and in a congratulatory speech he said;

“I am very confident that you will provide the needed leadership to turn this country around. I have no doubt that you will work with dedicated and qualified Nigerians to protect our citizens, improve our economy, create jobs, improve education, reform governance and fight corruption. You will indeed bring the change Nigerians have been yearning for. Once more, congratulations."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2014/12/breaking-news-atiku-concedes-defeat-congratulates-buhari/amp/

So if Buhari was not first to be a whatsapp administrator, what then does that say about Atiku.

Mandeyy:
He held unmerited posts for a long time. Buhari has been a mediocre right from the military. He wasn't qualified for any of them. They gave him those posts, not based on meritocracy but based on tribalism and nepotism. He failed all the military courses he attended both home and abroad.

And you have evidence he failed all military courses home and abroad? The way the military works is that you take courses and exams for each promotion. If you fail these courses you are not promoted and you might even be prematurely retired. You are telling us that Buhari failed all promotional exams?

You are insinuating that General Gowon appointed Buhari Governor of Gongola state Base on nepotism, General Obasanjo appointed Buhari petroleum minister based on nepotism, Shagari appointed Buhari GOC third armoured division, jos based on nepotism, General Babangida, Abacha, Dongoyaro, Idiagbon came together and appointed Buhari head of state based on nepotism, Abacha appointed Buhari PTF chairman based on nepotism and finally Buhari won the 2015 presidential elections based on nepotism.

There is no one, and I mean no one with a resume close to that of Buhari in Nigeria.

Please even though you hate Buhari, give the man some credit.

knightsTempler:
Based on academic record, Buhari wont even be hired to manage a @KFC outlet. Based on business record (150 cows that dont increase) he wont qualify for a bank loan. With his health condition criminals are still forcing him to run. He also failed as a military leader, Yet, Nigerians expect this man to prosper Nigeria! I’m sorry. Truth is bitter!

I also feel that Buhari at present is not fit to be President, due to health and age issues. But ... you guys are confusing and obfuscating the issues, thereby deflecting from the real issues, ie jubrin, certificate, clone, illiterate and other stupid arguments.

A fit young Buhari is more than fit to be a KFC manager, he would probably be hired as the CEO. This is based on experience and career. A military General who had held the post of a governor, a minister, a head of state, chairman of PTF and then a president without any scandal would be qualified to hold any position in the world.

He is a failed military leader but he rose to be a major general and a GOC apart from being military head of state? If that is your idea of failure, then tell me what your definition of success is.

Jiang:
Now go back & reread what I typed, and point out where is I said 90% of Igbos are against Buhari. Are you a police man or a lawyer, you seem pretty good at twisting statements to match ur own agenda

This is the koko of the matter.
Over 90% igbos already hate Buhari from the first day he won APC primaries in 2014, and nothing he can say or do can change that.

The figures are a bit lower in the south south. I would say about 70% already hate Buhari there.

In the south west I should say 40% don't like Buhari (I would not say hate)

braveboi4life:
Buhari on Gandollar, please I beg all his supporters never to bring up the issue of integrity again...just see how he dribbled around the question and scored an own goal, why cant you order an investigation just as it was done with Fayose.No body said you should prosecute him but investigate..

Buhari can't do shit about Gandollar. The power to deal with Gandollar lies solely with the kano state assembly for now, it is after he is impeached or his tenor runs out that he can be arrested and prosecuted by the federal government .

You don't expect Buhari to investigate a sitting governor a couple of months from an election he needs votes from the state. It would definitely affect his votes from the states. Then after investigation, what next?

JusticeSeeker:
This case has no bearing in anyway with the NJC. The judiciary has created immunity for herself when the constitution has not done that for them.

I know, but we are in a very peculiar and precarious position. The legislative and judiary had always been jealous of the total immunity granted the executive ( I also frown at total immunity. the executive should only have administrative immunity and not criminal). So the legislative and judiciary have found a loophole to grab total immunity also.

The problem is the CJN and the judiciary are ready to blackmail the whole country to enforce that total immunity on judicial officers.

JusticeSeeker:
The lawyers that brainstormed to produce charges against Onoghen are wonderful brains. They carefully avoided any charge that will mention or relate to administrative/judicial misconduct thereby making the case purely that of a public officer infracting the laws of the land. If not, here we are with a CJN that has close to 1 billion in his foreign accounts which amounts to unlawful enrichment. Kudos to them.

I don't think the lawyers went about it the right way. I feel they should have made the case both public officer and judicial/administrative misconduct. They should have first pursued the admistrative/judicial case at the NJC (even though they know the NJC trial would be a farce), and also pursue the public office misconduct at the CCT. They should waited a few months (and see how long the NJC would drag it's feet as they usually do in cases concerning it's officers), before dragging the CJN to the CCT.

They way they are going about it, all of the judiciary and the opposition party would vehemently defend the CJN. They are even prepared to launch this country into a judicial crisis. Most senior lawyers having case at the supreme Court or intending to go to the supreme Court will not want to be seen as being against the CJN.

Abeg my biafra brodas, helep me answer this question.
Which work kanu brother dey do?
How him go take pay bride price and other costs of the wedding?
How him go take rent his own house, provide for him wife and impending children, when all we know say the only business him and him wife dey do na IPOB.

Him dey do other job, him get shop or him dey do import and export?

Abeg make una no curse me say I dey poknose watin no concern me o.

pryme:
Sometimes you wonder how these lawyers become SANs, If more than 80 SANs can tell you that the CJN is untouchable as it stands then you know we need a complete overhaul of all judicial officers.

That's why I hate law, too many Grey arrears, and twisting of the constitution.

Nigerian judges are the greatest threat to our democracy. Judges have in the past issued very senseless and stupid judgements. It was the supreme Court that affirmed the 2007 elections, a election held without serial numbers on the ballot, which was clearly again to the electoral act.

It was the judiciary that granted Peter Odili perpetual injunction against prosecution for corruption.

It was the judiciary that asked Lucky Igbenedion to pay N2 million as punishment for stealing billions from Edo state.

It was the judiciary that IBB used as an excuse to annul the June 12 elections. He said he wanted to save the country from conflicting and confusing judgements by the judiciary.

If care is not taken, the judiciary will plunge us into another round of crisis.

lexy2014:
We aren't in disagreement as 2 who enjoys immunity and who doesn't enjoy immunity. D bone of contention is that despite d fact that judicial officers don't enjoy immunity, d constitution clearly states how they should b handled if they run foul of d law in d discharge of their duties as judicial officers. This is 2 ensure separation of powers& guarantee d independence of d judiciary. But when u now come& say there are exceptions 2 due process, how do u expect me to agree with u on that? That's y I asked u is there anywhere in d constitution that says there are exceptions 2 due process? Immunity against prosecution for sitting governors is due process. Going by ur argument, y has Ganduje not been prosecuted by EFCC using ur argument that "there are exceptions to due process?" If u support d executive waving due process cos of judges misdemeanor as it did in PH, then it should wave d same due process and direct EFCC to prosecute Ganduje. That will b seen as fairness& equity

The bonded is the key phrase. Can failure to correctly declare asset before or after assuming the position of chief justice be seen as of discharge of duty as a judicial officer.

In the Nigerian constitution, the immunity granted governors is clear and not subject to any other interpretation, so no due process can be waived.

In the case of judicial and legislative members, including their heads, immunity is not explicitly given, it is only implied under certain conditions, so it is subject to various interpretations.

lexy2014:
Where in d constitution did u c that there are exceptions 2 due process? For u to say that there are exceptions 2 due process, means u agree that it is unconstitutional 4d executive 2 arrest judges. Now if u say there are exceptions 2 due process, y has d EFCC not arrested Ganduje despite damning evidence against him? Y didn't they wave due process?

4d fact that a judge doesn't enjoy immunity doesn't mean that d executive can arrest them like they did in port Harcourt. D constitution doesn't make provision 4 that. Going to the constitution, Section 153(1) (i) created the NJC, when it provided: “There shall be established for the Federation, the following bodies: inter alia National Judicial Council”. Section 158(1) provided, in the exercise of its power to make appointments or exercise disciplinary control over persons, the NJC shall not be subject to the directions or control of any other authority or person.

Please define disciplinary and then define crime and tell me if the two words mean the same thing.

lexy2014:
But what happened 2d members of buharis executive like kemi adeosun& babachir? Y were their cases not treated with d same speed& vigour we are seeing in this case? Or there was no petition written against them? What of ganduje with video evidence? Did efcc need petition 4 that?

Whataboutism - a rhetorical device that involves accusing others of offenses as a way of deflecting attention from one's own deeds.

lexy2014:
Has onnoghen committed rape, murder or wife battery?

I responding to you guys proposition that a judge cannot be tried for whatever crime, except after being declared guilty by the NJC.

hedonistic:
The NJC is an institution. Insinuating that it may be "incapacitated" by bias or corruption brings us closer to the main reason why I would NEVER be comfortable with this whole charade.

If the NJC can be incapacitated by bias and corruption, what makes you think the prosecuting agencies (controlled by the executive, Buhari and his disgusting cabal) including the EFCC, office of the AGF, Police, etc are not even more predisposed to incapacitation by bias and corruption? Is that not why they have been unable to arrest and prosecute the likes of Abba Kyari, Grass cutter Lawal, and virtually any minister (can you imagine) and appointee of the Buhari government?

I'm not interested in the legal and constitutional arguments here about whether the CJN can be removed or how he should be removed. That's inconsequential at this point to me. I'm interested in the politics of it all. As long as the clearly compromised and biased executive and its institutions have been so far shielding its own people and only going after opposition figures, I will NEVER accept any stupid argument in favour of them investigating and prosecuting the CJN on whatever grounds. The CJN's fate shall be decided by the NJC, whether biased or not. Two wrongs would make two wrongs in this context, fair and square.

Wow, that's deep. You mean judges are next to God. Even the president and governors can be investigated, as Gani of blessed memory took the governor of lagos state over the issue. The judge ruled that presidents and governors can be investigated, but they cannot be prosecuted while in office because of constitutional immunity.

lexy2014:
If d constitution says its only d NJC that can discipline judges , then how's it constitutional 4d executive to arrest judges without d consent or approval of d NJC?

D constitution is straightforward & its not being manipulated. Its being disobeyed by d executive

Discipline judges in his official capacity for official duties, not for every crime under the sun. If a judge should commit rape, murder or wife battery, you do not need the NJC to adjudicate before he can be arrested and tried.

hedonistic:
Just how your so-called Buhari led FG and its institutions have shielded Buhari's people from prosecution. If not why has the EFCC not arrested and prosecuted countless Buhari appointees and APC stalwarts accused of corruption (Including the Thief of Staff Kyari)? If you can't address this question, then it is disgusting for anyone to rationalise prosecuting the Head of another Arm of government.

Please stop all these whataboutism, it is not helpful for building a society. If Buhari is shielding his friends and family today, he cannot be president forever. If he can help us get rid of some PDP thieves, the next President can help get rid of some Buhari's friends. But the bottom line is we are reducing the thieves in our midst, but to suggest that all thieves and criminals should be left alone because of whataboutism will eventually lead to anarchy.