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Since we are supposedly operating a federation, what about the states? Since governors enjoy immunity, should the state's speakers not enjoy immunity too? And since there are also 3 arms of government in the States also, should the state's chief judges not enjoy immunity too? In fact all head of political offices should have immunity, and not just them, their properties should enjoy immunity too (according to fayose)

I am utterly shocked that supposed lawyers including so called SANs talk like illiterates. I can excuse Fayose's ignorance but I cannot excuse lawyers who are supposed to read and understand the law.
The constitution never gave "absolute" immunity to governors and even the president. Here was what justice Uwaifo, J.S.C., who read the lead judgment of the supreme court in fawehinmi v IGP said;

Suppose it is alleged that a Governor, in the course of driving his personal car, recklessly ran over a man, killing him; he sends the car to a workshop for the repairs of the dented or damaged part or parts. Or that he used a pistol to shoot a man dead and threw the gun into a nearby bush. Or that he stole public money and kept in a particular bank or used it to acquire property. Now, if the police became aware, could it be suggested in an open and democratic society like ours that they would be precluded in section 308 from investigating….? The police clearly have a duty under section 4 of the Police Act to do all they can to investigate and preserve whatever evidence is available…. The evidence may be useful for impeachment purposes if the House of Assembly may have need of it. It may no doubt be used for prosecution of the said incumbent Governor after he has left office. But to do nothing under the pretext that a Governor cannot be investigated is a disservice to the society.
http://sebastinehon.com/a-dissestion-of-section-308-of-the-constitution-of-the-federal-republic-of-nigeria-1999-as-amended/


Most of the lawyers supporting fayose seem not to have read the judgement of the supreme cour .

dustmalik:
If i understand those supporting Fayose, they are saying that if Fayose imports a cargo full of hard drugs, those hard drugs can't be seized because they belong to Fayose and that he is covered by immunity? That seems to be the logic of the wailers and those supporting Fayose.

According to them, the container can only be seized after Fayose leaves office, as Fayose's immunity covers his containers too.

There have been lots of arguments on the legality or otherwise of the freezing of Fayose's personal accounts by the EFCC. Fayose and his supporters opined that since a Governor enjoys "absolute" immunity, non of his property can be seized until he vacates office, meanwhile, opponents insists that a governor can be investigated, and freezing of an account is part of investigation and not prosecution.

This is Fayose's quote on the issue;

“It was ‎when I got a hint of their move that I wrote a cheque to withdraw some money from the account and I came myself. I was denied access to the account as I was told the EFCC has placed restriction on it. That is executive rascality taken too far.”

“Section 308 of the 1999 constitution gives me immunity just like the president. I wouldn’t know why these people are intolerant of others and in a haste.”

“Let them wait till 2018 when I will end my tenure for them to do their investigati‎on. The other time the EFCC accused me of embezzling N1.2 billion poultry project fund, I was the one who voluntarily reported myself to the EFCC. When I had case with EFCC my properties were not affected.”

This is a very illogical reasoning, is Fayose and his supporters telling us that all his properties are covered by immunity? Are his Cars, Furniture, his family and even his pets covered by immunity?

Lets give 3 scenarios;
Suppose that a Governor's son, in the course of driving the governor's personal car recklessly ran over a man, killing him, the police on getting to the scene of the accident decides to take the car to their station for forensic investigations, is Fayose saying the car can not be impounded because the car enjoys immunity along with him? Does the immunity cover his son also?

The Governor himself used a pistol to shoot a man dead and threw the gun into a nearby bush. If the police should find the gun, is Fayose saying the gun cannot be impounded by the police for further investigations because the gun was registered in the governor's name?

If the EFCC has evidence that a GOVERNOR STOLE PUBLIC MONEY AND KEPT IT IN A PARTICULAR BANK UNDER HIS NAME, is Fayose saying that the police or the EFCC should not freeze the account pending the conclusion of their investigations. Will the money (evidence) be still intact after the end of the governor's tenure?

I am appalled that people use technicalities and legalities as an excuse to commit and condone criminality, if Fayose and his supporters says a governor and all his properties should have absolute immunity from prosecution and investigations, then nothing stops a governor or president from stealing all the state's resources and commit heinous crimes and use his remaining time in office to destroy and eliminate all evidences.

ellechrystal:
Hahahaahah, ipob? Really? Anyone who criticized d first family is obviously an ipob? Wao, how limited can u be?
Stand corrected, am not an ipob youth ok.
By the way, when Jonathan was being insulted, n mama peace ridiculed, I guess u were happy huh?
N now d tables turned u r crying? Oh oh, remember what amaechi dished out on Jonathan and the wife, u remember?
Hypocrite.

If you are not IPOB, you are obviously IPOB related. It is only IPOB youths that are still crying over Jonathan's loss and taking it out personally on the Buharis.
When Amaechi was dishing it out to Jonathan, did your Jesus - mama peace keep mute? When she insulted amaechi in return, did you shout shame?

Adaure4ever:
you must be a stand up comedian.
when the APC Zombies were abusing GEJ, you guys were ok with it.
When Buhari threaten that dogs and baboons will be soaked in blood, you guys were ok with it.
Fayose has touched many nerves in aso rock, its just the beginning.. More is to come

Eyaaa, Jonathan's loss is still paining you guys, I hope you guys do not get suicidal o.
If you are married, you will understand how a woman will react if her husband is insulted.

When Amaechi was attacking Jonathan ( Amaechi never called Jonathan a dead man or other personal insults), did mama peace not react? Was Amaechi and Patience not at each others throat during the Jonathan - Amaechi quarrel? Did patience Jonathan keep mute? You guys did not talk about shame then.

Fayose will eventually be cut to size, he tried the rubbish with OBJ and you know outcome.

ellechrystal:
Aisha, u are an embarrassment n a disaster to all first làdies.
I am ashamed on your behalf

It is you and your fellow IPOB comrades that are shameless. You guys and fayose have insulted this woman's husband continuously for two years now and she had kept quiet, you even carried his obituary in a daily newspaper, she remained mute. Now Fayose and you guys have decided to slander her name just because Fayose can hide under immunity and you still expect her not to react, then you shamelessly come here and talk about shame. Why not try that in the US and see if the Mitchelle Obama will not react worse , in fact if Fayose was a US governor, he would have long been facing criminal charges.
During the US campaigns, Donald Trump have insulted everybody, Obama, Clinton, Cruz, including his party members, he even called Clinton a witch and you IPOB people were hailing him, now you are talking about shame when Aisha decided to react to Fayose's madness.

FOLYKAZE:
Can Mrs Aisha Buhari please sue Fayose.

Someone need to put a stop to his madness. He thinks he is opposing the president but ignorantly digging pit where he will be buried. President Buhari should come in and protect his family. He belongs to his family and has every right to protect his family from any attack just like his responsibility to protect Nigerians. If Fayose can not restrict politics to government affair and policy, Buhari should sue his a s s.

Fayose cannot be sued now as he enjoys immunity. After he finishes his term as Governor (or he is impeached) then, Mrs Buhari can sue his ass.

Leopard2A7:
Keep deceiving yourself.

Then help enlighten us how Buhari's wife is connected to the story.

Fayose and his supporters must have noodles in place of brains. Did they read the report at all? The report talked about a Ms aisha Buhari, a middle aged woman (in early 2000s) living in the US, who claimed to be the daughter of a former head of state, and Fayose and his supporters ( fellow waiters) interpret it to mean Buhari's wife ( whom they also accused of being child when she married Buhari in 1989).

If anybody named Aisha Buhari is Muhammadu Buhari's wife, then the president must have dozens of wives. A simple Facebook search will show some of them

ettaetta:
you are just saying what you dont know, even as an atheist am sure you cant deny that the world would be a better place if everyone follows the teachings in the Bible

Greatest fallacy of the the last 20 centuries.

Leviticus 20:10
New International Version
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

[i ]Deut. 21:18-21 [/i]
"If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, 19 then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. 20 "And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 "Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.

Genesis 38:6-10
6 Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. 7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death.

8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother. ” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight ; so the Lord put him to death also.

If we follow these Bible teachings, the world would be a terrible place.

koboko69:
Are telecoms infrastructure attacked by terrorists? Are telecoms infrastructure affected by weather conditions? Are they getting oil from the ground under the same conditions as at when Babaginda?

I understand your arguments but I still feel a production cost of $29 is outrageous, considering the fact at one time Abacha sold the same barrel of oil for $8. (Production cost inclusive)

Why should Nigeria's production cost be third highest in the world. Do you understand the effect of a difference of only $1 per barrel for 2.2 million barrel per day over a period of 1 year?

fearless2014:
I thought you said key memberS, na only Diezani you see.
Moreover, she is being investigated for being in possesion of £27,000 and nothing more.
Oya, try again.

So Diezani was not a key member of the Jonathan administration. So you did not know that she was the 3 member of the quinity of Presidents ( according to OBJ). Everybody including Akpabio attested to the enormous powers she wielded under the Jonathan administration.

You must be the prosecution lawyer or the investigative officer. You seem to have the details of the case. Anyway, let's wait for the case to be charged to court, then we can see all the allegations.

koboko69:
so u expect the production cost to be the same from time immemorial?

No. I expect production cost to reduce over time. Just like telecommunication infrastructure, the cost should reduce as the investors would have coveted their investment costs within a few years of operation.

Remii:
the report can't be correct , even with all provisions for funding and taxes, cost of getting Nigeria crude to tank can't be more than £$10/bbl

My brother, the figure is correct. My friend in the oil exploration industry gave me the same figure last year.
I think this figure is grossly over inflated. With the technology employed and the fact that Nigeria oil reserves are relatively shallow (not very deep), the cost of extraction can't be more than $15 per barrel. A suspect corruption between, the oil companies, NNPC officials including DPR and some politicians.
I think Buhari should beam his corruption search light into the production cost of Nigeria's crude. It is way too high.

My main question is; if the production cost of Nigeria' s crude is about $29, how was nigeria able to survive low oil prices of between $8 - $16 under the Babangida and Abacha administrations?

fellis:
Na wa o.

I.6 billion dollars. Dollars o, not naira. What kind of heartless beasts are our Nigerian politicians? That money can work wonders in this country, maybe provide jobs or good roads or clean water supply. Yet people will hoard that amount and sleep well at night knowing other people are suffering.

Local government money at that. The same local governments with no roads, pipe borne water, hospitals, primary schools, etc. These people are heartless.

fearless2014:
Please state for the records the key members of GEJ's administration that are facing corruption charge anywhere outside Nigeria?

Am waiting.

Was Diezani Madueke Alison not and the key member of the Buhari administration? Besides, the alleged crimes were committed in Nigeria, so logically, they would be tried in nigeria.

fearless2014:
Your brain needs a serious readjusment from prolonged exposure to lies & propaganda, that is if you are not an Aisha rice eater.

Nigeria set up it's best anti-corruption dragnet in the past 5yrs ( subsidy removal, IPSS, BVN, TSA) & prevented corruption. What your APC & Buhari is doing is making noise & nothing more.
Nigeria had the most robust economic growth in the past 4 yrs despite the purported 'cancer' of corruption, which is against the law of living metabolism.

The world have come to realise sooner than most zombies that Buhari is the problem with Nigeria.

Your morals need serious readjustment. Some people stole you blind, so much so that your generation would suffer for decades to come and you are here defending them due to primitive primordial sentiments.

Which corruption dragnet did Jonathan set up? Did Jonathan implement any of them, the TSA is law in our constitution, under section 80 subsection 1 of the 1999 constitution, all revenue was supposed to be domiciled in a single federation account. Did Jonathan obey the law?

So how many peoples did your so called corruption dragnet catch? The same Jonathan that asked " how much did Jim Nwobodo stole' or ' mere stealing they call it corruption".

hucienda:
'Just' $1.6bn? Thought it was $1.6trn.

Enough with the media trials. Already stale. Charge 'em to court, prosecute them and quit the playing to the gallery.

"Are you better off now than four years back?" Professor Soludo enthused February last year. We're one year in the PMB administration and the results especially in the economy are self-evident (except to Lie M. and the horde of zombies).

Just quit the dilly dallying and get to work, already!

Just $1.6 billion , were were told Jonathan illegally deducted $1.6 billion from local government allocations and you ate shouting "just $1.6 billion. Do you know what $1.6 billion would do to local governments in Nigerian? Once Okonjo Iweala or Jonathan is mentioned in relation to any corruption Case, you people immediately enter aggressive mode, ready to fight and die to defend them.

This is just one allegation out of many against your Hero and heroine. There is the $2.1 billion arms fund, there is the $20 billion ( according to Sanusi) non remitted oil money, there are numerous corruption charges against key members of the Jonathan administration, even foreign countries like UK, US and South Africa view the Jonathan administration as fantastically corrupt, and someone here is shouting just $1.6 billion.

wowmenow:
When we are under corruption everything was cheap

My brother we love Jonathan type of corruption not the useless change we are experiencing now

You think like an autistic monkey. Do you think the effect of corruption would be felt immediately? You think if a billionaire suddenly becomes bankrupt, his family would go hungry immediately. You think if you are infected with a disease like aids, cancer or even malaria, you will die immediately? Nigeria was infected with economic cancer called corruption five years ago but the disease is only beginning to manifest now

Dejideji1:
Bro, are you a comedian? because i can't see the sense you are trying to make out of that comment above. Look at how you are speaking authoritatively as if you were there with him when he got the inspiration.

do you want to tell me that you don't know what it means to be "above the circle of the earth"? That statement means outside the earth. This was written in ancient times remember and the writer tried his best to put it down in the way he could understand the message. And I think that statement is explanatory enough you can give it to someone else and see how they will Interprete it.

You are only clutching straws. You are only attempting to bend an obvious view point to fit into your dogma. For someone to sit on the circle of the circle of the earth looking at people looking like grasshoppers below and the sky looking like tent above can never refer to looking at the earth from space. From space you would not see people below.

King James 2000 Bible
It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:

It is obvious the writer of this verse is standing on a very high mountain and looking at the surroundings below. If you stand on a high mountain, the ground below would form a perfect circle, the people below would look like grasshoppers and the cloud and sky above would resemble a tent covering everything.

Dejideji1:
What?

Are you trying to tell me that the Quran has no account of Jesus (isa)?

The Koran is simply a poor plagarization of the Christian bible.

Dejideji1:
I have tried to explain the conception of Jesus how it can be possible check it out @my reply to donnffd. I guess that is one of the scientific blunders you mean.

Now what can you say about the exploits of witches and wizards? And what about magicians? What scientific explanation can you give because their exploits are naturally and logically impossible.

Sorry, i missed your logical explanation for the (single sex) conception of Jesus, please paste the quote again for me to see.

Witches and wizards are vestiges of primitive societies attempting to make sense of mysteries around them (especially unexpected and unexplainable tragedies). It thrives on Ignorance and fear. Witches and wizards give way, when enlightenment and science comes into a society. Europe and Asia had serious problem of witches and Wizard during the dark days of superstition and religion, but today they have overcome these with science and education and have entered the technological and Information age. At one time it was thought Witches and demons were responsible for Leprosy, mental illness and sudden death. Today medicine has provides the answers to these diseases. Although in a highly illiterate society Nigeria most people still associate these diseases to Witchcraft.

buddwizer:
LOL...............They are obviously very inexperienced. Not that the act should be condoned but common if they wanted that, they should have made proper and discreet arrangements. No be today na

Exactly. Not that i condone their actions, but in advanced countries, you do not solicit for sex openly, especially important people. The lawmakers could have concluded all their negotiations online and just have their chosen ladies knock on their hotel room. There are thousands of sites selling sex online, all they would need is just a mobile phone. Most hotels already have free wi-fi.

Dejideji1:
OK, i can see most of what you quoted up there are from the Bible with the exception of the flying horse though. so are you saying that the Bible contains no truth at all? because you find somethings that are naturally/logically impossible in it. (when reasoned with human understanding)

Why not dispute the scientific blunders in your Bible instead of asking for any truth from the Bible. If something is naturally and logically impossible, which other understanding can make it reasonable?

but have you also forgotten that this same Bible gave a accurate description of earth in about the year 1473 B.C.E that "God is hanging the earth upon nothing"( job 26:7) the Bible's accurate statement predated Aristotle by over 1100 years yet Aristotle's views continued to be taught for some 2000 years after his death. It was until 1687 C.E that Isaac Newton published his findings.

But the Bible also made a contradictory statement in 1 Samuel 2 : 8
"8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.
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The Bible also described the shape of the earth long before voyages about 2700 years ago "there is one dwelling above the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22)

What Can you say about all this accounts? Despite all the false things that was being taught about the shape of the earth then, this two men (job and Isaiah) were not influenced. Don't you think it must have been revealed to them by the creator himself?

Nothing in the verse describes the shape of the earth (which is a spheroid). I am certain the writer of this verse see's God as sitting on a throne on a high mountain (like mount Olympus). From that vantage point, the earth below looks like a circle.

Please give me names and links to scientists who says the deeper you go in science the more less random it becomes.

I am telling you randomness rules the quantum level and even the cosmic level. The distribution of galaxies in the universe is very random.

Dejideji1:
Oga why are you in a hurry? Do you know what I want to post? And who told you that all the physicist i want to quote believe in God? I only want to give you some mind boggling questions that will challenge your thinking faculty and make you revise your stand on the issue of the existence of God. What i want you to know is that the deeper you go in science, the more you will begin to realize that all this things in existence couldn't have occurred randomly, there must be a creative mind behind it.

That is why i just laugh at the so called Atheists here on NL because all you read is theories postulated by some individuals. How deep have you gone in scientific research and practicals?

Those who have gone really deep (those that postulated those theories you thrive on) have come out to say there must be a creative mind behind everything in existence. I'm even thinking of creating another thread for this so that I can fully confront all of you.

The bolded statement betrays you ignorance of anything science. The truth is that the deeper you go into science, the more you realize that randomness rules the universe, the perception of order becomes an illusion. On the quantum level randomness rules, and you cannot predict position and mass accurately.

Know2020:
I believe this news. The day I found out that his daughter and his in law...a doctor, live in a face-me-I-face-you apartment in America with cheap furnishings that looks like a typical boys quarter or even gateman post. The fact he was comfortable and happy in it, tells me the kind of man he is. If these were the children and in-laws of IBBs, Abachas, Abdulsalami's they would be living in a mansion with gold furnishings everywhere

My brother, this your story get as e be. Even ordinary nurse would not live in a face me i face you apartment in the US, not to talk of a qualified medical doctor. My friends who are not even medical doctors but support medical personnel live like kings in the US. Medical personnels are the highest paid workers in the US.

What did Nuhu Ribadu say about Obasanjo?

Let me refresh your memory;

Out of the 13 allegations raised against Obasanjo by ex-Governor Orji Uzor Kalu and the Coalition Against Corrupt Leaders (CACOL) in 2005 and 2007, the EFCC under Ribadu said the ex-President was not guilty of abuse of office.
Some of the 13-point allegations investigated by Ribadu were the launching of the N7billion presidential project; fraud in crude oil sales from 1999 to 2006; owning of foreign accounts, including a Platinum Credit Card; connivance and obtaining of money in oil and commissions from defense contracts and purchase of 200million Units of Transcorp shares.

Others were the use of state funds for Obasanjo’s Third Term agenda; sinking of N521billion into power projects; exceeding 2005 budget by N133billion and collection of commissions over the sale of Ajaokuta Steel Company and Delta Steel rolling Mill, located in Aladja.

The report reads in part: "Investigations carried out could not establish a single source to show where the former President diverted public money to pursue anything of that nature (Third Term agenda) and three key public institutions: NNPC, PDTF and the State House Accounts were thoroughly investigated, including checks through the Financial Intelligence Unit which did not reveal any illegal use of public funds.

"Even when the Commission threw public challenges soliciting for evidence, especially from anti-third term forces in the National Assembly, nothing was secured and otherwise nothing in the nature of bribes or fraud could be linked to the prosecution of the third term process."

Concerning the controversial presidential library projects, the report indicated that Obasanjo is not a signatory to the accounts of Olusegun Obasanjo Presidential Library Foundation.

"Investigation has also revealed that the signatories to the Foundation’s accounts in three banks are HE (Amb.) Dr. Christopher Kolade; Dr. (Sen) Iyabo Obasanjo-Bello; and Mr. Nyaknno Osso."

On the 2005 budget, the report claims: "Investigations at the Office of the Accountant General of the Federation concerning the Federal Budget performance in 2005 did not support the claims of the petitioner who alleged that the former President exceeded spending on ministries, departments and government agencies by about N133billion.

"Further investigations showed that contrary to that argument of the petitioner, the financial statements of the Federal Government for the year ended 31st December 2005 indicate that all financial activities were within the budget framework.
http://www.thenationonlineng.net/archive2/tblnews_Detail.php?id=67484

Furthermore; Nuhu Ribadu had never thought Tinubu corrupt, that was why Tinubu handed him AC presidential ticket in 2011.
Nuhu Ribadu is a political prostitute, he sings the praise of anyone that can help his political ambitions.

ettaetta:
Five Questions for Atheists. l'l go straight to the point.

1.What caused the universe to exist?

Nobody knows. The universe exists, that us all we know. Scientist speculates that because the universe is expanding (inflating), it must have started from a very small point from which it has been expanding since (big bang), while different primitive societies speculates that an intelligent humanoid ( from their tribe) created the universe, for example, the Jewish religion and it's affiliates speculates that a Jewish man, spoke the universe into existence using Hebrew language.

2. What is the Evidence for Evolution?

Everything. Everything evolves, the universe evolves, the earth evolves, living things evolves. Even nairaland has evolved.

3 how do we account for the origin of diffrent languages spoken by humans?

Evolution. Different isolated groups develop different forms of communication and language. When a group of people of same tribe and languages migrate to another location, their language will differ slightly. After many migration, the new language would eventually be very different from the parent language.

4 Why do we not see humans being born in the zoos from monkeys if we came from monkeys or apes?

Stupid question. A monkey can never give birth to a human or vice versa, that is why they are different species. For your information, man is classified as one of 4 great apes.

5 what evidence can you offer that God does not exist?

Senseless. You do not prove a negative proposition. it will render sciences and human knowledge useless. I might as well tell you prove that a man does not live In the centre of the earth, and if you are unable to prove it, then it must be true. I can also demand that you prove that you did not kill Stephen keshi with Benin juju, if not, then you must go to jail for murdering Stephen keshi.