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emae009:
All these "why will I buy a phone without a charger" geng, did they ask you to buy it? Is anyone holding you at gun point to buy it?. They don't want to put charger, it's their headache, the ones that will buy will buy. Buy what you want. It's not a must to buy IPhone 12

Calm down. They are just airing their opinion. Everyone has their preferences and it's natural to want to justify yours. No big deal.

jaeyking:
They can laugh all they want but Xiaomi revenue is not up to 1/8 of Apple's revenue.

so they should keep shut

Lol...How does this help you as the consumer? Are you a shareholder? Why are you typing like those kids that say "my daddy is richer than your daddy ". (#Joke)

You are calling them fools yet their respect for human right is what you aspire to achieve!

Hypocrites. You want SARS to stop abusing you but you are quick to abuse others. SARS are Nigerians so I'm not surprised they are abusive.

Tonymegabush1:
The thing was even like a nollywood movie,
the guy was dating lady A, lady A and lady B were good Frnd, same department, same Klas and same lodge, lady A introduced her boyfriend to lady B, both the lady B and the guy hails from same community that was how church dismissed, he didn't even waste time marriage straight.... Na so lady A lost him bobo.

I wonder how they'd live happily knowing how they treated the first lady.

Yahksbiz:
endsar

Is that a new unit?

Lol... she gave reasons why she couldn't protest. People attacked her saying she should shut up cause that wasn't excuse enough! Now, she is protesting like others. People above are calling her attention seeker!

In this life, just do you.

The three guys above, we came late. Lol

@OP: could this be the moment we've all been waiting for the? The turning point?

Tonymegabush1:
Frnd too close can spoil things for you... One that I knw of even collect the guy from.the lady 2day they are married.

But why are you emphasizing on the lady alone? "She collected the guy", is the guy a piece of wood? The guy didn't want the marriage. People can't just 'collect' you.

@OP, the guy is an idiot. The bridesmaid ain't any better.

Virtually all the articles about the way Nigerian females think are written by Nigerian males who "don't care about them girls". Seems they know how women think or feel more than women. Lol.

Omoslim26:
dat salary na old tally constable dey collect upto 60k now

even if them collect 500k dem go still beg for bribe

it's in them

I disagree. Beginning for bribe got into them cause that was the only way to survive. Nobody really like to stand in the sun begging shamelessly. The police men are people like you and I, and people leave and join the force everyday. So when you say it's in them, who are the "them"? If you join the force as a a man with family and you earn that thing I'm seeing up there, it will be in you too. For the benefit of doubt, let the government do something about the salary of the men we give weapons to. Then we can criticize them if they continue begging. Kicking against it now is inhumane.

Davidganna10:
I am no comparing both currencies when converted sir. I am looking at the overwhelming gap between the top 1% income earners in Nigeria and the rest, vis-à-vis developed nation. It is simply human nature, the more I earn the more luxury I yearn, someone earning 500k may likely not fancy the less priced neighborhood, because of obvious reasons. Which can range from security to poor amenities, At the same time cannot afford to live in the top 5 priced neighborhood in the country. Do you know with 90k (3times minimum wage) in Lagos you will barely survive even in the mainland where one bedroom apartment is priced at 250k, why? Unnecessary inflation, from rents, to agents, to everyday goods and services.

No, bro. I made it clear in my first post that this isn't just a comparison of two cities in terms of how far minimum wage can take one. Nigeria can't even compare in that regards and the people this thread is made address aren't arguing that. I also said it that comparing rich to rich alone will hide the shortcomings of Toronto, a city for the rich and less accommodating to the poor. From my perspective, this is specifically a discussion about the decision of a 500k earner to leave Lagos for a $3,500 job. And I'm saying that due to so many moving factors involved, a better measure would be where he'd have more cash-at-hand after mandatory expenses, and that would be Lagos because Lagos gives more options than Toronto. A 500k earner might need a little more than $3,500 to make that move. That's my point.

Call SARS!!!

Tamm:
What is your definition of decent please? Neighbourhood, the building itself, amenities?

Most times, we forget how difficult it is for people to find themselves in a good income bracket in Nigeria. For you to earn a good income in Nigeria, a lot must have been invested in terms of your background or you must be part of the 0.1% who were just plain lucky.

So do you consider that such a person with a certain background would want to leave in a neighbourhood where 'a decent flat' costs 400k?

Wages in Nigeria are simply not commensurate with expenses! The higher you earn, the more 'decent' life you would want like living close to your workplace in a good neighbourhood, and the more the income-expense disparity!

I have been to Ago Palace. That's a decent neighborhood in Lagos and one can get a 2 bedroom flat of about 500k there. A 500k per month earner wouldn't be very comfortable there?

Besides, decent living isn't just about the location. It's more about cash-at-hand and that's the crux of my message. A 500k earner living in Ago Palace will have more cash-at-hand than a $3,500 earner in say North York Toronto. What's the point of living in North York where you share flat and look at the good life through the window but can't afford to live it cause of the absence of money?

The summary of my long post is, for a 500k guy to live Lagos for Toronto, a salary of more than $3,500 is required because what we should be measuring is cash at hand after mandatory expenses.

Iyoocartel:
Iyooooooo cartel

Increasing police salary won't change anything. Our politicians are one of the most paid in the world with a lot of add on but even anini dey learn work where dem dey

Don't say this. Whether it will change anything or not, this salary structure is still an embarrassment to NPF. Nobody deserves to live like this and we're talking about those we expect to put their lives on the line for us. Nah... not cool.

Iyoocartel:
Iyooooooo cartel

Increasing police salary won't change anything. Our politicians are one of the most paid in the world with a lot of add on but even anini dey learn work where dem dey

Don't say this. Whether it will change anything or not, this salary structure is still an embarrassment to NPF. Nobody deserves to live like this and we're talking those we expect to put their lives on the line for us. Nah... not cool.

Davidganna10:
for instance in Yorkville Toronto you can easily see cheap restaurant to eat with c$20 about 6000 naira but in banana island with 10000 naira you no go see food chop. I don't blame them though, services charges their are something else.

But when you do whole of Lagos vs whole of Toronto, the story changes. N270 can afford you a full meal outside downtown Lagos but it's equivalent (c$1) can't afford you that anywhere in Toronto. N500 can get you a good haircut in Lagos. c$2 can't even cut the hairs off one's nostrils in Toronto. Lagos is scaled out giving low earners more options. Though those in Toronto may not earn as low as those in Lagos, the city could easily make their income seem even lower due to lack many options. That's why men of above 30 years still share apartments Toronto. The rent has generally gone up that some people have gone back to their father's houses.

It's like iPhone and Samsung. Samsung is better scaled out to accommodate different earners while iPhone isn't. When two rich teams compare iPhone and Samsung features, the iPhone team might win. When two not-so-reach teams do that comparison, the iPhone team may not even have a phone to compare with.

I always believe one should move cause his calculations show he will be better off and not cause he believes he will surely be better off since it's abroad cause that might backfire.

Davidganna10:
1. My first comparason was solely on 750k a month earner, I had to rope in the 500k because I perused a thread where someone said 500k here is better than $5000 in united states. And as you can see, I used united states and not Canada which would have been c$4000 post tax in respect to my data above.

2. That is exactly the purpose of this thread.

3. The amount is after tax

4. The cheapest two bedroom apartment in Victoria island ranges from 4-6million, service charge not included so he cannot survive with that amount. With kids? Lol. likewise someone on c$4000 will not survive with kids in bay street corridor which is another priced neighborhood.

5. You do know Lagos mainland may not have social amenities and you will have to provide those, unlikely lets say New Toronto, where you can find a two bedroom flat of c$2500 including utilities per month.

Ok... I don't think 1 and 2 requires me to say anything since they could be considered not within the current context anymore. But I took note..

3) My submission would still be the same nevertheless.

4) I said outside Lagos downtown (Victoria?). That was me asking if Victoria is what Lagos downtown is called. I wasn't suggesting you should use Victoria Island for the comparison. Maybe I should have been clearer or even remove Victoria from the sentence.

5) I know. But a 500k earner in Lagos can afford a 2 bedroom flat and those amenities and still save very well. A decent flat of 500k/year will cost just about 40k per month thus creating room for other expenses and a good saving. Whereas a $3,500 earner who pays $2,500 per month is already cornered when you consider other monthly expenses.

Sunstorm95:
Go through the thread and read to understand.
Lucky enough the Convention Center is positioned rightly and will not have to be demolished for a planned 18 Miles (30km) coastal Avenue. The Tinapa movie studio will have to be demolished but can be rebuilt. in fact many oher film studios will be built. Another convention center will also be built at the planned city center.
The coastal Avenue is 700 meters from the shoreline. everything on that path has to go .

You guys in Nigeria don't have decorum. Everything burns down to insults. Sorry for commenting on your thread.

Lagito23:
Hmmmmm Nigeria never seize to amaze me

Ceases

Davidganna10:
are you saying c$500 for two a month is not doable? Remember cooked food no eating out.

I'll pin that at a minimum of $300, bro.

Lol... OP the OP! How can you feed with C$250 per month in the city of Toronto nah?

Thanks for this insightful post. Permit me to offer another perspective. LONG POST ALERT!!!

You worked based minimum wage but at the end, you called out those who kick against leaving a 500k job. That's already a disconnect. I don't think they would kick against leaving a minimum wage job. So if you want to attack them, compare directly with a 500k earner in Nigeria since that's what they are against leaving. I noticed you did that in your conclusion but the premise that led to that conclusion isn't supporting enough because data gotten from comparing the movement from minimum wage to minimum wage isn't sufficient to draw a conclusion for the movement from N500k and $3,500. Comparing minimum wage to minimum wage, Nigeria shouldn't even be in the chat. But if you're talking about people who leave 500k jobs to travel abroad, then there might be a discussion. And to be fair, it would be against the $3,500 earner you mentioned. So let's make this about N500,000 vs $3,500 (to better fit into the scenario our friends kick against).

First, people who live on Banana Island aren't earning 500k (they earn far more) and they are not the ones leaving their jobs to travel. So using banana Island to exemplify would be an attempt to further diminish the worth of the 500k and therefore favour the idea of travelling. You may argue that you also used expensive areas in the other cities but that's exactly where their strength lies. Here is what I mean, the different between expensive areas in Lagos and cheap areas in Lagos is extremely wide with a in-betweens. This is both a good and a bad thing. The only good thing therein is that it gives everyone the chance to fit in based on thier earnings. On the other hand, the difference between the expensive areas and the cheap areas in these other cities may not be as wide (they are generally expensive cities). So a $3,500 earner (whose net pay would be about $2,775) cannot live in a 2 bedroom flat in the city of Toronto and still save while a 500k earner can live in a 2 bedroom flat outside Lagos downtown (Victoria Island?) and still have enough savings. With kids, you'd still live well in Lagos with 500k. If you have kids and you earn $3,500 in any of these other cities, I can only say LOL.

So when you compare expensive areas like you did, you're hiding the shortcomings of these developed cities (cause virtually everywhere is expensive there). But when you compare cheaper neighborhoods in Lagos with the so-called cheaper neighborhoods in these other cities, Lagos will have an upper hand cause even a 200k earner will still live alone in a flat outside of downtown Lagos (I presume). Theoretically, when you compare the expensive areas in two cities, the more expensive city is likely to win cause you are pitching the poor earnings of the cheaper against expensive properties. But when you compare cheaper neighborhoods in two cities, the cheaper city is more likely to win cause even the lower earnings of the expensive city may not be able to cater for the generally expensive environment. So I believe the reason people call out those that leave their 500k job to travel abroad is cause of the choices they get in Nigeria that they might not get in the developed nations with their $3,500. The 500k guy living in a 2 bedroom flat in Lagos Mainland will hardly be able to save with $3,500 if he dares to live in a 2 bedroom flat in Toronto even outside downtown. So such a person might be going to share a flat so as to save.

Am I against leaving Nigeria as a high earner? Not really cause provided you find a way to save (even if it means inconveniencing yourself), you will get value. Prices of items tend to sit well with cash-at-hand cause these items were manufactured in costs calculated in a similar economy and expressed in the same currency as where you earn. So you can easily get an iPhone in the US not because you are rich but cause an iPhone isn't really as expensive as a Naira earner perceives. And when it comes to using cash at home, exchange rate still works in your favour so again, a little saving is worth much. So the question is, will you be able to save and still not subject yourself to so much discomfort? The truth is, there is no point living a 1st world country and living a 3rd life. So you should afford yourself the basic necessities. If you can save after these, then leaving that 500k job might be a great decision cause apart from money, there is more to gain abroad.

lymelyte:
exactly.. When lion see rhino or those bull with big horns, dem dey shele..lol

As apex predators, lions still hunt and eat buffalos even if it takes more than one to do it. Lions are killers. They feed on flesh and they are basically designed to kill and therefore are far fiercer than buffalos. Buffalos are ruminants. They are aggressive when threatened but aren't exactly killing machines. They don't command as much fear as a lion. Which of these two animals would you rather encounter?

Solosolojohquay:
Lions are are not king of the jungle go and watch nateo wide and see what happen when an equal number of lions met equal number of elephants on a stream drinking water they went to the extreme end of the stream to drink avoiding the elephants at all cost and one lion can't kill one elephant unless they are many

The point is, lions are killers and fiercer. Even if it takes more than one to kill an elephant, they still come together and do it. On the other hand, elephants are ruminants. They wouldn't just go killing or intimidating other animals for no reason. So lions command more fear thus the title. Which one would your rather face, a lion or an elephant?

The only problem is that they don't even live in the jungle. Hehe... I know the title has come to be a status than anything else "but king of animls" would have made more sense.

Chapter1vs6:
you have enough money already. you don't need a grilfriend

People get girlfriends to get money? Do girlfriends pay in Nigeria?

When Africans see whites taking live easy and trying to have fun, the always call them "mumu". Africans are way too serious but that hasn't gotten them anywhere. If whites were mumu, you wouldn't be rushing to get access to their countries.

Lol... I honestly wonder how some of y'all Nigeria manage to type with such hatred and passion.

TheGoodJoe:
My favorites of Aisha Yesufu aka Statue of Liberty.

But why using white people's images? Are Nigerians whites?

Lol.. Ok, guys! It might be him and not his female friend. We know how it goes here. But coming out here just to point that without any advice or suggestion isn't any bit helpful.

@OP, except you're saying your female friend avoids people cause she feels there would see her shortcomings/limitations, I'm not sure what you described up there could be termed "insecurity". Maybe your female friend is not sociable and there are millions of people like that out there. They are happy to see someone but then would want to have thier space after a short period of time. Everyone wants their special time alone. What differs is how long one can go without it and that's a function of what I'd term one's 'social fuel' capacity. Getting rid of bad habits is great but trying to reconfigure one's personality just to fit social expectations might have an adverse effect if not managed properly. When your female friend forces herself to be more people-oriented than she naturally is, she might end up being irritating herself cause it's hard to act friendly when you're irritated by people around you.

I think the most important thing is for one to know one's self and try not to put themselves in a situation where they'd struggle to fit in. Let her also surround herself with people that understand and accept her the way she is. If, after checking her priorities, being more sociable is really important to her, these friends are the ones to help her. I know this cause my own female friend's social fuel capacity is also low and she easily runs dry halfway through an outing. She gets irritated when her friends try to drag into having fun. Back then, she needed them to understand than keeping quite and being left alone was fun enough. And over a period of time, they eventually learned her. So instead of going home when she's low on social fuel, her friends would allow her to talk less and press her phone more. This way, she began to feel more comfortable and less irritated around them. She discovered that she had managed thier expectations and guess what, she would always re-ignite after being left alone for a while. And what's more, that lone time has reduced a bit. But it will probably never go away cause that's who she is.

Hope your female friend learns a few things from my female friend.

Is SWAT new?

DenreleDave:
FOOLISH COMMENT ALERT

One side of my heart is happy with you but baba, must u do this in the public.. What if irate police reach there shoot any of una gun, wetin u go explain to God for heaven

Don't you know that protest is a sin?

My other side of heart;

I hope in the next protest 5 to 10 years later, you wunt propose divorce court letter to her..

As u take propose for public, please kindly update and upload the divorce letter online


Nairalanders, G*y alert.. Moniker is Danielstainz

Protest is a sin yet half of the entire Christian community are protestants. Protest is a sin yet your post is leading a protest against gay people. Seems sin is whatever we don't like...

Nice.

Ogbomosho is Enugu

Sadly, the government will find a tool to divide the people once again. Disunity is the only weapon that can bring down such a force.

Cerveau:
oui?

Lol... Ok. So why would you call yourself 'brain'?