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bigfrancis21:


Your understanding of issues before jumping into them and hyperventilating is quite pathetic. Been busy since morning. I just had your time now.

I used Emmanuel Adebayor as an example to buttess my point of Yoruba migrants in Togo who have Togoloese citizenship, who many people erroneously claim as Togolese native. His parents visit their home town in Nigeria steadily.

Now, don't tell me what I don't know already. You think I don't know about the Ana or Ife in Togo? The Yorubas in Benin are considered migrants to Benin who, after several centuries, have adopted Benin as their home. However, they are still immigrants.

Please educate yourself below:





http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Benin-ETHNIC-GROUPS.html

Yorubas in Benin are not considered proper natives as in the Fon or Adja, rather they are considered migrants who settled in Benin republic. This is exactly the point I made when I first made my statement. You could have simply asked me for proof.

Your problem was not understanding the proper meaning of 'migrants' before making your comments. Next time, before I begin hopping around aimlessly, I would seek to put my brain into use to read and understand a topic properly before jumping into it.

I know this was going to be your line of argument. Now listen: Everyone is in a sense an immigrant, since no one grew out of the land that they now occupy, but got to it from somewhere. The Ashantis came from somewhere to the north and are said to have reached Ghana only in the 12th century. Are you going to say they are now immigrants, and not indigenous Ghanaians? What about the Ewes that believe they came from the Oyo area in Nigeria? They are immigrants in Ghana and Ivory Coast, rather than indigenes of these places?

The Yoruba believe their cradle is in Ife in Nigeria, so if you go far back enough in time, you could say the Yoruba groups everywhere else migrated from there.

But when you argue that they are Nigerian settlers, rather than indigenes and natives that is just wrong. These people arrived there long before there were countries called Benin and Togo. Long before there was a country called Nigeria. They never had Nigerian citizenship (as there was no Nigeria then), and thus describing them as 'Nigerian' immigrants is anachronistic and inaccurate.

They had occupied their present tribal homelands there and created their special sub-identities there long before anyone heard the names 'Togo' and 'Benin'. They have been part of the social, cultural and political life of Togo and Benin right from its beginning. Nobody, except Bigfrancis, describes them as Nigerian immigrants and settlers.

The word immigrant is only reserved for those who only arrived in such places during or after the Colonial era, like Adebayor's family. Not people whose ancestors have been there for centuries, like the Ana and the Isa.

By the way, the Adja have traditions that they descend from a Yoruba prince, Adimula from the Nigeria area. Guess by your logic they are also Nigerian settlers and not natives of Benin, huh?

And don't lie, you did not know about the Ana (Ife) and the Isà before now. If you did, you would have mentioned them, rather than talking about Adebayor's family. You thought every Yoruba in Togo were recent Nigerian immigrants like Adebayor's family. Admit it! Don't you dare lie!

bigfrancis21:


Aunty, I have proof. I didn't just pull what I said out of anywhere. If you wanted proof you should have simply asked and I'll give it to you.

Yoruba, as we know it, is natively spoken in Nigeria and Benin. Sorry to burst lies that has been paraded often such that it is believed to be true. Yorubas in Togo are immigrants from Nigeria. Emmanuel Adebayor is a Togolese-Yoruba immigrant whose parents are from Nigeria who still visit Nigeria often. That he has Togolese citizenship and plays in their national team doesn't make Yorubas 'natives' of Togo.

Again, you've exhibited lack of knowledge of the subject matter. Who is talking of Emmanuel Adebayor? Did you see me type anything here about Emmanuel Adebayor. That he is Togolese of Nigerian descent does not mean Togo has no indigenous Yoruba groups.

You have good Internet, yes? Good. Look up the Áná and the Isà (or Itsa) sub-groups of the Yoruba, then come back here and tell me in which countries they are found.

Your understanding of anything outside your own Igbo people is so so shallow.

babajero:
You sound childish, first you said slightly different from igbo that means there is igbo, second you said okparauku meaning big first son or old first son, and why won't you dress like them when youu co-habit with them and most part of east dress Like that also. Lets not just argue sef even ukwuani as a name is igbo meaning ukwu-leg and ani-ground, in summary ukwuani depicts a man who stands his ground. It Is a pity that the abokis has brain washed you to believe that you are not an igboman because I believe that before the war your forefathers won't have stooped so low as you are doing now, and moreover what is the name of delta state governor elect, my man you are igbo and you can't change that.

Okay, the bolded is funny....probably also wide off the mark.

bigfrancis21:


LOL. Keep deceiving yourself. Nigeria and Benin republic are the only 2 countries with native Yoruba speakers. Nigeria is Yoruba's main spoken territory while in Benin repulic yorubas are considered immigrants or settlers. As for the other countries, Yorubas are just ordinary migrants in those areas.

Okay, this tendency of yours to jump into topics you do not know jack about is becoming reeeally annoying. I'm beginning to understand why folks around here call you a bigot.

There are native Yoruba-speakers in THREE, not two West African countries: Nigeria, Benin and Togo.

Who the hell told you Yorubas in Benin are considered immigrants? You just pulled that out of your arse, didn't you?

Ketu and Sabe, are two of the oldest precolonial Yoruba kingdoms and subgroups, tracing their crowns directly to Oduduwa. They are both in present-day Benin. They had already been long established there before the Europeans ever visited West Africa.

So much for immigrants and settlers.

bigfrancis21:


It is possible. Though, they are an edoid people. It is left to them to decide where to stay. If they choose to remain together with their edo brothers, that's fine.

Please, do not even go there. The old Biafra did not include any part of the Midwestern Region (which is where the Isokos and the Urhobos belonged) and I do not know by what logic you want to imply that they could be part of the new Biafra you people are dreaming of.

Have you heard any Isoko or Urhobo man even marginally suggest that Isokoland/Urhoboland may be part of a future state of Biafra? Why are you even trying to make it sound like it is even open for discussion, by saying: "It is left for them to decide..."? There is nothing to decide. You might as well be saying it is left for the Nupes to decide if they want to join Biafra.

bigfrancis21:


You are clearly in the minority. You virtually have no say or right in the Nigeria you're currently in, no hope of ever producing a governor. You are not even in charge of your 'naturally-given' talents. You're being given the opportunity to handle your affairs directly and be in control of your 'naturally-given' talents, rather than think of ways to make it happen, you are still blinded by tribalistic thinking. Truth be told, you minority tribes stand no chance of ever producing a president in Nigeria. Jonathan, of Ijaw extraction, became president by chance, and upon his incumbency he was re-elected president. With a country of yours, you become more proactive and influential in the decision-making process of the country.

What makes you think the country will be an Igbo-only affair? If southerners were given the chance to vote to have a country of theirs, you'd be surprised at the percentage that will vote to leave Nigeria.

My brother, it is your country as much as it is Isoko's or Urhobo's. Do you know where 'biafra' would have been today assuming the war was won 40+ years back? The hatred and discord among SE and SS today comes from the legacy of the war lost. Nobody wants to associate with the 'losers'.
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Before I set you straight, lemme get one thing straight. Did you just imply that Isokos and the Urhobos were part of Biafra?

Ihuomadinihu:
I doubt some of the pictures are of Yoruba people esp The female graduates of Ibadan and the two women tying two george wrappers with a simple blouse. It's always good to verify and vet pictures before posting, unless the photographer said otherwise,those pictures i pointed out are not Yoruba.
On beauty,African magic Yoruba can be used as a standard for measuring beauty of Yoruba women. The fact is that most of the pretty looking women are mixed down the line or are from a different ethnic group,e.g :
Doris simeon - Edo
Helen Paul - Edo
Fathia Balogun - Delta
Iyabo Ojo - Yoruba/Igbo
Rachel Oniga - Delta
Mercy Aigbe - Edo
Toyin Aimakhu - Edo.
It is interesting how they come up to tell us they are not Yoruba or are mixed.
That leaves you with the rest and we know them.

Please, explain to us why you think the female graduates from Ibadan are not Yoruba. I'll really like to know.

That brother up there is Charles Novia, not Kenneth Nnebue.

This 50 years prediction is funny sha. UNESCO underestimates the use of Igbo language in backwater villages. The language is endangered, granted, but it is not dying out that soon.

^ I said It does appear to me Which means I am making a personal remark based off what I have observed, not stating empirical fact or quoting the report of an academic study. As someone who has moved around the country, I'll say I have seem much more of the former kind of unions than the latter.

^^ It does appear to me that Christian Igbo/Christian Yoruba marriages are a lot more common than Muslim Yoruba/ Muslim Hausa marriages.

Going by what I have learnt, Hausa Muslims often have difficulty accepting Yoruba Muslims as true Muslims. Perhaps this is because Yoruba Muslims generally tend to be less rigid about their religion than their Northern counterparts.

I remember a conversation that once ensued between a Yoruba Muslim friend of mine and an Hausa man he engaged to repair his shoe.

The Hausa guy simply refused to accept my friend was Muslim, even after my friend recited passages from the Qu'ran in Arabic. Probably, in the Hausa cobbler's mind, you can't be Muslim if you are not a Northerner.

This perception may account for why we see relatively fewer cases of Hausa Muslim- Yoruba Muslim unions.

Can someone resolve this issue for me once and for all: Is IBB Nupe or Gbagyi?

Knuckleheads be shouting: Where is Ataoja of Oshogbo, where is Soun of Ogbomosho, why is Alaafin listed before the Ooni of Ife?

Op clearly said list is incomplete, add yours... in no particular order

And we wonder why Nigerians keep flunking WAEC.

axum:



That girl is bantu, look at her nose.

Still you have yet to give me one link that i CAN verify. lol, you might as well just stop. How easy is it to post a link, so i can show you that your lying.


I feel offended that you posted that ugly bantu ape, and tried to say she was Somali. Somalis don't cover their hair like that, nor do walk around naked, nor do they have that huge nose and lips.

The nomadic Somalis don't even use that type of a house when they are building their homes.

These are pictures from a hundred years ago and even older. That you expect everything to be as they are now. Including housing and dressing shows how stu.pid you are.

axum:



That girl is bantu, look at her nose.

Still you have yet to give me one link that i CAN verify. lol, you might as well just stop. How easy is it to post a link, so i can show you that your lying.


I feel offended that you posted that ugly bantu ape, and tried to say she was Somali. Somalis don't cover their hair like that, nor do walk around naked, nor do they have that huge nose and lips.

The nomadic Somalis don't even use that type of a house when they are building their homes.

Do not be ridiculous. Everyone knows Somali noses aren't always as narrow as the stereotypical Somali's



Somali women. Not Somali Bantus. Ethnic Somalis. Look at their noses.

axum:



She is Afar, Somalis don't wear beads like that around their neck. Afar are very loose with their religion until recently (last 50 years).

You can't post any links, which proves my point even further, you would have been better served, if you never even brought up the topic, as now you look foolish posting Afars from Djibouti and passing them off as Somalis. Somalis don't wear beads, nor braid their hair, and they cover their hair.

Okay.

[img]http://www.bendav.nl/gif/ebay5/1435.jpg[/img]

axum:



Those are Afar in Somalia not Somalis. Some afars loosely practice Islam. Also the one that has the Somali in the name is clearly a drawing and not a picture. Better luck next time.

In Summary, you showed a picture of a drawing. The REST are Afar, and the last you admitted was Eritrean. lmao

Give links if your serious

Whatever you say, Somali.

Another Somali girl:

axum:



lmao, That lady in the black and white picture is taken 1800's, while the other one is clearly in color, do you know when colored pictures came out? in the 1960's, you dumb bitchhhhhh.


obviouly this Somali lady is breast feeding her child, and still in good shape, she looks noble.

mean while are butt naked in the jungle.

You uncover both brea.sts to feed a baby, who (by the way) doesn't look at all like he is breastfeeding? . Okay, I believe you. The following women were also breastfeeding their babies:



Somali woman from Djibouti.



Somali woman drawn from life by a Frenchman.



Yet another Somali.



Two Somali women.



Eritrean woman. Not a Somali, admittedly. Still a Horner, though. And Cushitic.

How much does Mogadishu owe to the local Somalis. Basically nothing. History says the it was the Arabs who established the city, and even its name derives from Persian.

Show me anywhere in Somalia where you can find the equal of the intellectual output of Timbuktu. :/

macof:


True but the differences are much more than the similarities. Efik/ibibio is one culture, Igbo is another
And Nsibidi has it's origin in the Efik/Ibibio culture

You can follow the link that was shared on this post (which Efik man Notob approved of.)

The link went into some detail about Ekpe and Nsibidi and its origin. Start from about page 28 or so. The Efik only adopted Ekpe and Nsibidi in the 18th century from the Ejagham people, who are neither Efik nor Ibibio.

In summary, the Igbo and Efik/Ibibio owe Nsibidi to a third group who they both borrowed it from. That group is the Ejagham/Ekoi.

ijawcitizen:
1. How come Ijaws are settlers in itsekiri land when they met Ijaws in the land before the foundation of the so called itsekiri nation? 2. Do you agree that the founder of the so called itsekiri nation, Ginuwa the exiled prince from benin was a refugee who seeked asylum within the ijaws of the same area, and himself and his co-refugees (about 70 people, all men) were all given ijaw wives ie itsekiris are maternally ijaws? Other than God Almighty Himself, we ijaws created the itsekiri nation, we nursed it from the very begining. I really don't know if you're all just some cursed and wretched ingrates or just acting like one. Ijaws settling in itsekiri land indeed!

Isn't this funny? On another thread where people were discussing the form of Igbo spoken in Bonny/Opobo and other issues pertaining to Eastern-Ijaw/Igbo relations, you showed up to berate the 'land grabbers' and 'identity thieves'.

Now, here you are claiming the land of the Itsekiri people as well as the people themselves.

It's amazing that people don't see in themselves what they see in others.

aljharem:


I think you are high !!!

The OP suggested his language (Efik/Ibibio). Someone with a Northern-sounding name suggested a Northern language (Kanuri). You suggested your language (Yoruba). Someone else suggested his language (Igbo).

But you made a beeline for the Igbo man's comment. Are you always like that?

GenBuhari:
Provide evidence that is independent of the influence of the whites, that proves Africans enslaved and traded themselves as slaves. To ensure that the evidence does not have any influence from Europeans, it should be a written historical document produced by us or other races that may have been in Africa before the arrival of Caucasians.

Dude, I need to ask you a question. Are you a troll or just don't want to be reasonable? Papa Africa has mentioned two books written in the Western Sudan by black Africans which mentioned local slavery in that area before Europeans came anywhere near there. For reasons best known to you, you ignored his presentations and continued to bludgeon on with your defeated arguments. What's your deal, bruh?

And why can't most people on this thread take a standpoint and stay there? This thread seems to be all over the place, and honestly it is difficult to understand what point or points is/are being debated.

simplemach:

Yes, i wont doubt that Hausa hausa has the most number of states. But when u go to those states and discover [bthat there are or may be more Igbos in each of them[/b] and also every other state in Nigeria and even other countries then i will know what u'll say. And dont forget that they say any where u go and dont find an Igbo man then u know that place is not safe for humans.so now u be the judge.

That "there are or may be more Igbos" in the Hausa states is honestly a very funny thing to say

It's funny how you said 'NO INSULTS PLS'. I wonder how you can say a tribe is the dirtiest in Nigeria without insulting them. That doesn't sound like an insult to you?

*smh*

Mustay:
It's so queer how Seun has changed "Ab0ki" for Northerner.

Someone viewing this topic for the first time would get lost with what the members are discussing.



At least, "my friend" would have been a better substitute. Moreover, the abuse of the word doesn't mean the originality should be replaced.

Like seriously. The word censorship on this forum is tending towards the absurd. "Ab.oki" is a genuine Hausa word with no harmful connotation. Because some Southerners use it to imply something derogatory, it has become a dirty word? So if an Hausa man on this forum types "Ab.oki, ina kwana?" to his fellow Hausa man, Nairaland will change it to "Northerner, ina kwana?" Ridiculous! How about the long list of derogatory terms used to describe Southerners? Nyamiri. Ofe.mmanu. et cetera. When are they going to be censored as well.

EDITED: Oh, I see Ofe.mmanu has been censored too. It remains Nyamiri.

kulkatty:
Mehn na mostly yoruba states...
Well Igbo people having no ruler since 1914

Yet another wankjob who sees Nigeria only in 'Yoruba/Igbo' terms.

tonychristopher:

the difference between itshekiri and yoruba is the same difference between a dog and a fox

the same difference between Esan and Benin is like differentiating 6 and half a dozen

the difference between ukwuani and igbo is differentiating aligator and crocodile

urhobo and isoko is like trying to differentiate boa constrictor from anaconda


ibibio and efiks is like saying that we have a difference between 12 and a dozen or trying to differeniate a rat from a grasscutter



these group of people know that they are the same but for political expediency they will want to claim that each local government is a tribe


mtchewwwww

Your attempts at drawing analogies actually failed woefully. A fox and a dog, a rat and a grasscutter, an alligator and a crocodile, a boa-constrictor and an anaconda....NOT THE SAME THING. AT ALL.

Atmmachine: Hausas are the problem of Nigeria since 1876

My question for u is simple: Why do ur comments always come with a picture that has nothing to do with what u are saying?

pazienza:

By Enuani,you mean Ika and Oshimili/Aniocha?

Enuani is just Oshimili/Aniocha. Ika is different.