@OP I agree with aljharem in that your thinking is kind of shallow.
The issue is bigger than N65 price of fuel. Unfortunately, corruption which is the big issue is faceless. It comes in so many forms and a strike of the dimension we've had so far has to be directed and focused on something that the simple/common man can feel/relate to or else it would have failed right from the onset.
It is very likely that the strike/protests might end if the price of gas is reversed but that doesn't mean that the fight was all about gas.
Beaf: Our markets are like that because, anything goes in Nigeria; the markets are surely not so out of corruption, rather it is through chaos. And anything goes in Nigeria, because we are chaotic. The fact that you do no see anything wrong in the situation of the markets only puts clothes on my argument. The average Nigerian cannot see that life could be better organised and existence more humane. Just as our markets where we obtain food to sustain our souls are like a cesspit, so it is that there are sights one would never behold in other countries (see attached pic).
The country lacks a foundational framework of existence. So, its like a huge unweildy building, balancing on thin legs, and each time the wind blows we have to add new legs in the direction of the current wind; when the direction changes, the building begins to tip the other way and we have to find bricks or mud to shore it up. Its a never ending cycle of patching leaks, propping up, repainting, rewiring etc, all depending on whichever way the wind blows, cos there is no durable foundation.
You wouldn't find this sort of picture in an ordered society. This is not corruption, it is chaos:
These things happen not because we do not have laws. But because the people who should prevent the chaos have been corrupted. Chaos and corruption go hand in hand, however, you need to remove the corruption to cure the chaos. And not the other way round.
Let our laws be enforced, and not pushed aside by exchange of ghana must go bags and we will get rid of the chaos.
Beaf: Ndu chucks, forget about the funny politics you are playing, cos you were rooting very loudly that GEJ should not back down obn the subsidy removal, suddenly you have changed like Tunde Bakare! lol!
Anyways, the bolded answers your question. If the people had gone out protesting against solid wrongs, instead of progressive policies like the fuel subsidy removal, then the protests would have made sense and would have reaped huge success. Right now, NLC is winding things down, cos they are not interested in battling the system which they are part of. NLC does not even need the people to fight corruption, cos they control the civil service, so who is fooling who? Who has been fooled, except thoose who rode their bandwagon to nowhere?
Today, you are asking for a National Conference (just as you called for the subsidy removal) whereas, in the past, you have doggedly fought against it each time we brought it up. Why are you being a chameleon?
It is only right, that now that we have Nigerians interested in making the country work that such energy be fed the truth, which is that Nigeria's true problem is chaos. And that chaos stems from the lack of a defining framework of who or what a Nigerian is; what Nigeria itself is and what binds its citizens to it. You can summarise the problem as the question about if Nigeria is just a phucking piece of alien land on which you and I happen to find our villages, or if there is more to it.
Mr. Beaf, People only protest against things that directly affect them. "Solid wrongs" do not directly affect everybody, even though everybody sees them happening. Human beings are generally selfish.
However, the increase in fuel price despite the unbelievable allowances enjoyed by our politicians affects almost every Nigerian in some way, and that is why i think it was really stu.pid of our President to have made that move. He either isn't thinking straight or he stands to benefit from the situation personally.
newsnaija: Hi guys, I've been seeing this question asked in many quarters and i just thought i shed some light on how subsidy is calculated and how the 2011 subsidy amount was arrived at, its just a simple calculation of volume and price
Products subsidized in Nigeria - PMS and Kerosene Demand PMS - 35 million litres /day Kero - 8 million litres/day
Prices PMS Open market Price (OPM) - N145/L ( this number varied from N125 - 165 in 2011 because of crude oil price in 2011) Kerosene Open Market price - N150/L (this also varies)
Subsidy Per Liter PMS Subsidy per liter = 145-65 = N80/L Kerosene subsidy per liter = 160-50 = N110/L
Subsidy Per day PMS = N80/L* 35,000,000 L = 2,800,000,000/day = 2,800,00,000*365days = 1,022,000,000,000 = N1.022 Trillion/year Kero= N110/L * 8,000,000 L = 880,000,000/day = 880,000,000*365days = 321,200,000,000 = N321 Billion/Year
This is a very good estimate on how 2011 was arrived at.
Why the change of subsidy value from previous years, the average crude price for last year was largely above $100/bl, coupled with exchange rate differentials and increase in energy demand due to population growth, GDP growth & increase in smuggled products across Nigerian borders.
I hope this helps
I modified the posting based on questions asked
Example of Subsidy Calculation for August 2011 - A Bit More Detailed
Let me give more clarifications on how the Open Market Price (OPM) which determines the subsidy per liter is arrived at. The OPM is the end price that arises after all the players in the product value chain are being compensated. It is PPPRA that sets the benchmark compensation (margin) for each player in the value chain. Below is actual detail computation of Subsidy for the month of August 2011 for PMS showing the players in the value chain, their margins and thus the Open Market price and finaly the subsidy per liter.
This implies Subsidy for the month of August for PMS only will be based on 31 days in August with 35 million Litre of PMS per day = N87.97/L*35,000,000L/day*31 days = N95,447,450,000 ie N95 Billion Naira for August 2011 for PMS only.
Computations for Kerosene are similar, the major difference will be the international Kerosene price and the Pump price of Kerosene, and volume of 8 million litres per day
Brief Explanations of the Cost Elements/Players
PMS Import Price - this is the international price for PMS for a refinery offshore(mostly Europe) as quoted on Platts. Also includes the traders margin. Freight - Cost of shipping it to Nigeria Lightering - Cost of Ship to ship transfer to bring the product to berth at the Jetty. It includes demurrage allowance of 10 days NPA - Nigerian port authority charges Financing - Interest incurred by the traders or marketers on money they got from bank to buy the product Jetty - provides a platform to pipe the product from the ship to the depot on the land Storage - Cost of storing at the depot Retailers - This is the person buys bulk from depot and takes to a dealer or his own petrol station Transporters - sure u know these guys, they drive the truck from the depots to the petrol station Dealers - the person running the petrol station Bridging Fund - this pool is created to compensate longer haulage trucks with trucks travelling shorter distances Marine Transport - provision for marine transport Admin - administrative charges Final price - this is the open market price and is the sum of all these on top Pump Price - this is the regulated price at the pump price which was N65/L. Subsidy - THis is the difference between the Open market price (real cost of delivering the petrol at the pump) and the pump regulated price of N65/L.
Anwser to a question on Why Smuggling increased over the years from 2009
This is how it works the Higher the difference between the Open market price (OPM) and your regulated official selling price of N65/L, the higher the opportunity/incentive for arbitrage (arbitrage is the practice of taking advantage of a price differentials between two or more markets). So what this means is that the incentive for arbitrage has increased over the years. (an incentive is any factor (financial or non-financial) that enables or motivates a particular course of action (smuggling))
From the above looking at the subsidy(N/L) column, you can see that the incentive/opportunity for arbitrage has more than tripled from N25/L in 2009 to N80/L in 2011 (320% precisely). As the incentives (rewards) increase more investors (smugglers) take the risk of smuggling to take advantage of the arbitrage, its a Risk/Reward thing. This naturally pushes up the demand volumes that could be diverted to markets of economic advantage. The lower the incentives the lower the investors that will take the risk, the higher the incentives, the more the investors that will take the risk. Its is basic economics.
You can cross check some of these figures from PPPRA, website its public information though they might have removed some of historical numbers due to the change in the pricing regime. You might also need to process the information to make more sense of it.
They make it seem like Naija is filled with rich people who can afford even the cheapest "fuel guzzlers"
Majority of Nigerians depend on public transportation. People are stuffed into small buses and cars which makes for even better efficiency in terms of fuel use.
Also, our road networks have been more or less the same since forever, so where are all these cars being driven? In the parking garage? Point is no matter how many cars you own, you can only drive one at a time.
About the generators? Is it our fault that our Government can't generate enough to sustain the population?
Kobojunkie: [size=13pt]@Poster, when do you plan to get over this serious hard-on for this dude that you have had since you joined Nairaland?[/size] Every freaking thread you go on and on about him as if you could not do without him joining you on there. You try so so hard to engage him on every single thread you get on. Really, all I want to know is when this crush of yours will be handled, so those of us who are sick and tired of these your 'rendezvous' and bickerings will be able to open threads without being needed to scroll through what has become the usual?
You and so many others have been obsessed with it for so long now, and complain as if it is being forced on you. [size=13pt]it's 2012, ain't it time for you to give up on stalking it? I mean if this is some gay thing going on here, let us know so we at least understand this need of yours, and so many others on here to constantly seek out it's attention, no matter what. [/size] https://images-3.findicons.com/files/icons/1039/manto/128/despise.png
People are talking serious sh.it you are bringing all these useless talk.
Abeg go back to your personality research. Introvert vs extrovert. I think that is the only meaningful post i've ever seen you write.
PointB: What rights do the protesters have to block inter-state highways; and to what extent do the have the right to prevent movement especially of those who don't share in their protest? Now more lives are needlessly lost on this unproductive protest.
my the soul of the deceased rest in peace. But the protesters have a joint culpability in these deaths alongside these trigger happy police men.
it is time to call off these strike and protest to avoid further bloodshed!
The loss of innocent lives is sad, but i was just wondering at your statement in bold. Why is it not time for the Government to reverse their unreasonable order so that things might normalize.
Why do they not prosecute the police officers that have used unnecessary force on the protesters? Shooting live ammunition in the air, and not expecting people to be hurt? That is irresponsible!!!
Unfortunately, that is a dream. Because they do not value the lives that are placed in their care. They are our leaders, but they do not own Nigeria more than any one of us!!!
PHIPEX: If I tell you that I can answer these questions, I will be a liar but am still certain that these are questions that NLC can table at the negotiation table and get a concrete answer after which they can come publicly to air their findings rather dwelling in ignorant speculations. Let us all look for how to hold our govt responsible for their promises henceforth, this could be our best opportunity to form a new ideology but lets remember that subsidy will do us more harm than good.
It is unrealistic to expect NLC to try out negotiations now. After all, the FG made a big decision that would affect almost everey Nigerian in some way without even trying to negotiate the best way for the "subsidy" aka magical money removal. Return to status quo, and then negotiations can be considered, which is what should have been done in the first place.
And these are people we elected to serve our best interest
In life, what u give is what u get. The FG declared war on the people, and the NLC and the people's reactions are justified.
Logic Mind: I am now starting to like the president. Stop complaining: Good medicine is always bitter.
Those in favour of subsidy, have you asked yourselves where the subsidy money come from? Other countries without subsidies are doing better than us. I wish he should start taxing fuel and petroleum products to generate more revenue. Maybe then Nigerians will start appreciating the value of money instead of all the waste that is going on right now.
Mr Man.
What are you saying there. How can the common Nigerian waste what he doesn't have
The waste is from the government. From all of the unnecessary expenditures for themselves, their wives, children and their friends.
Beaf: Firstly, you're mad; secondly, I am not Reno.
That settled, the removal of the subsidy is a very painful adjustment, but one that is necessary and urgent. It is certainly not worth protesting over, definitely not worth risking health and life for. It is only beggars that recieve free money and blackmailers that demand free money.
The subsidy was a drain that had to go, even more importantly, it was a cheap bribe to keep each and every one of us enslaved.
The biggest drain is our corrupt government. Therefore, it is unfair, greedy, selfish of them to expect Nigerians to sit back and take this when they are in fact the ones receiving/stealing/blackmailing for free money.
Just watched the video. I saw Police officers in anti-riot gear marching and chanting. . . Not sure they were protesting. Please verify this link before you create false news!!!
1025: i wish these influential men of God can talk to our own jona to stop spending N1b on his and his vice's food only. nigerians are facing serious hardships in the midst of plenty. someone must talk sense into jonathan and let him know the truth. there can never be peace anywhere in this world without justice. corruption has become a normal way of life in his govt and none of these men is telling him the truth. nigeria will see more boko harams if these devils go ahead and remove the fuel subsidy. it is really unfortunate that innocent and same poor masses are the targets of the so called boko harif am otherwise, who will stop me from joining boko haram. if we want to solve this problem, let us start from the root.
How can you expect "these influential men of God" give such advice. They are doing the same thing that the Naija politicians are doing. . . Acquiring wealth at the expense of poor Nigerians. . . Spending lavishly in the midst of poverty. . . Oppressing the poor.
Araysay: Just trying to show you what normal human beings do with their stolen wealth honey. Did you miss it? Don't be jealous huh? Just crawl into a hole and bury YOURSELF alive out of shame for your Nigeria. You don't need help abi?
See? Both mother and father present. . . IN A PRIVATE ROOM! WEY FASHOLA OWN FOR AJEGUNLE?
If you are suggesting that the resources spent o the Ajegunle hospital should have been used instead to build a hospital where "mother and father present" for the common man in any Nigerian city as currently is. . .
Then, i don't think you deserve to be sitting with a computer on the internet!
Araysay: 1. No crash cart. 2. No gloves. 3. No sheets 4. No biohazard RED bags!
WHERE ARE THE CR MONITORS TO MONITOR THESE PATINTS VITAL SIGNS? DO YOU SEE ANY BLOOD PRESSURE EQUIPMENT IN THAT FASHOLA'S HOSPITAL? WHERE ARE THE FETAL MONITORS?
Wetin this guy dey talk sef
I don't even know where to start with you.
So na gloves and bioharzard bag u dey find for inside picture.
Fetal monitor ke would you recognize one if you saw it in the picture. What sort of people we get for Nairaland sef
He spewed nothing but rubbish. What's so professional about his light and window nonsense.
1. The picture up there is from one of the best University teaching hospitals in the world and that's where they train their doctors real life and light is shining through the window as seen in the picture. The equipments in both rooms looks almost the same. So what's so professional about that worthless piece of info?
2. He yelled about scrubbing down when we all know it's standard everywhere, even the lady in the Lagos maternity picture had on protective gears.
Talk about shallow minds,
Lol. Which kain medical professional.
I'm sure he just googled something something just to find something to criticize.
BTW. i have no problem with criticism. Only thing is, critics are expected to be knowledgeable about what they criticize.
Not these ITK critics wey just dey bring up irrelevancies.
Pifa: Sinachay has already listed the deficiencies in the OR, but I'll reiterate. __________________________________________________________
I’ve purposely refrained from criticizing the architecture, which in itself is another subject altogether. So, for now, I will stay with the operating room.
Operating Rooms generally should be windowless rooms where outside noise can be kept to a minimum. I certainly hope that they keep those windows closed at all times.
ORs, during operations, generate what is known is a sterile field around the operating table. The sterile field is a curtain of filtered air controlled by High Efficiency Particle Air filters (or HEPA filters to techies among you). Hospital-grade HEPAs can remove particles as small as .3 microns1 or will allow so many of the said sized particles to pass through for every large volume of air. Techies sometimes refer to this as part per million or PPM. This OR fails short in that regard. All I see is a wall-mounted AC unit that will re-circulate airborne pathogens through its vents back into the OR.
If you’ve ever witnessed an operation (I’ve seen about 3 in my lifetime and that’s not counting the births of my children), you are asked to scrub and gown up (you wear the same type of smocks and booties doctors and nurses wear) before entering the operating room. Once you’re there, you must stay behind the sterile field and keep quiet. I do not see what creates the sterile field in the OR shown. I can only assume that C-sections are not performed in this hospital or they do C-section without a sterile field.
Solutions I would propose:
1) block off all the windows. They will prove a distraction when the doctor is operating during rain storms and high winds. You don't really want lightning to distract the surgeon when he or she is operating on a patient, do you? 2) fix the sterile field issue by installing a roof-mounted HEPA system. 3) to accomplish 2), the ceiling may have to be raised. The ceiling of the OR seems a little too low to me. You can see that by looking at the relationship between the windows and the ceiling.
So, there you have it. I just gave you three basic fixes for the OR which really shouldn't take a genius to figure out.
Eko Ile,
The next time I criticize any of Fashola's projects, please ask me for what would be my solution. I will welcome that challenge.
1 As a perspective for those who are not of technical bent, the diameter of human hair is about 40-90 microns, depending on race, health and age. So a 0.3 micron particle is very, very small.
Well, i can tell you are trying to be reasonable here.
But truthfully, we should be looking at the big picture and not pettiness.
The minor changes/ modifications that you suggested can be added on as time goes by and should by no means be a reason to sh.it all over the project like people have been trying to do.
Matter of fact. . . Even the "best projects" in the world will have deficiencies pointed out by critics.
However, a true critic will still look at the big picture to be able to pass judgement and not judge based on a few petty issues!!!!
Kobojunkie: PLEASE STOP RIGHT THERE!!! I know it is typical on these thread to try to throw other Governors under the bus so we can UPLIFT Fashola once again but here and now, I tell you that you need to STOP LYING!
Other governors are mostly building similar units as the one you have in the picture there. Yes, Abia State, I don't know how much you know of the state, has similar units like the one in the picture, distributed all over the state. Imo State has similar, Rivers, Enugu, among others. We were told similar -- actually some of the best diagnostic for kidney diseases, were built during the time yar adua was Governor of Katsina( na so I read am oo lol).
So you might want to go back, reshuffle your thought there and come back with something more in touch with reality here. Otherwise, if you are going to clap for this, then CLAP FOR EVERYONE ELSE . . . I am asking for fairness here at least, and the guilty ones know themselves.
I tried, but it is just too difficult to ignore your bull.sh.it. How does everything you just said make the Ajegunle venture a waste of whatever you want to call it.
Fairness for what? You think this is about competition for best state Governor.
We are saying someone did something great for the health of people but you are dropping your biased and sentiment filled cr@p all over the thread.
Kobojunkie: Those were the some of the very same lot of excuses where given back during the Babangida era when the many of the old batch of 'make-shift' units were replaced the old ones. Many of the old buildings could not be refurbished(even with the millions spent on the units), so we demolished them and built up new ones.
Those same excuses were offered up back during the Marwa years as reason why Lagoscians ought not expect so much from their government, and we gratefully submitted. These same excuses popped up again during the Tinubu years in Lagos . . . . Lagosians should not expect much. Now, more than 7 years later, the same excuses for why Lagos cannot build better. Why don't we work harder this time to at least come up with something different, a better reason why Lagoscians should not expect EXCELLENCE from their government?
I will try as much as possible to ignore your comments coz i already know that i'll only be wasting my time.
manny4life: Dude calm down, geez so much venom, people have a right to criticize whom they wish. What has waste in the U.S. health care system got to do with the issue at hand? As a matter of fact, the moment they eliminate federal sponsored medicare programs, and everyone is mandated to purchase insurance, now that will be the best corrected mistake in U.S history.
The US problem is more complicated than that bros, but that is not the issue at hand.
The issue at hand is i don't understand what people are making the negative noise about.
Pifa: It's an intellectual copout to suggest that this is all about hate. This is about setting a higher standard for yourself and for your community.
I am always amazed at how deep some of you will dig for excuses to avoid any aspiration to higher standards. How do you expect to motivate your younger generation when you are readily accepting of mediocrity as your standard?
First of all, i don't know where to start.
But generally, i think people like to make comments without understanding matters at hand.
Nigeria has one of the worst maternal mortality rate and infant mortality rates in the world.
A major problem we have is access to "any type of healthcare" . I have that in bold because any type of health care will save lives!!!
There is no means of transportation to the "Big" hospitals we already have that some people are suggesting should be refurbished. We are still building roads and we lack good communication and ambulance support!
Now, someone builds a hospital with surgical capabilities that can accommodate as many as possible in the middle of the community where it is needed and people are talking sh.it
What should be our priority right now in terms of healthcare? Quality or quantity
Bottom line, i think people who don't understand what is on ground should stop making unnecessary arguments.
Politics › Re: Attack Your Own Ethnic Looters Not Ebele by ziga: 2:15am On Jan 15, 2012
