₦airaland Forum

The thing is, people go on and on about democracy but have no clue per the true meaning of democracy, it's requirement and method of application, democracy means fairness and due process.

I didn't say Fashola should not be investigated. The fact is, just because we want and have democracy doesn't mean we shouldn't practice it the right way. Democracy is against throwing accusations and investigations at people without due process. You don't drag people through the mud, destroy their good name and investigate them because of hearsay and word of mouth. That is not democracy, that is what they do in banana republic.

Democracy calls for grand jury investigation where concerned parties shows up and forward all available and credible proof of wrong doing, you don't go to the people and assert to them that you heard their Governor did this and that and we're investigating and impeaching him.

Till this very second, we still don't know what exactly they have against the Governor, the incompetent legislators didn't ask the accusers to show proof of wrong doing before asking Lagosians to go along with the investigation and impeachment of their Governor.

Don't they owe the people of Lagos state who voted the Governor into office some kind of proof and explanation to justify their actions and possibility of taking their Governor away from them?

This is the kind of crude and backward ways of doing things that we're trying to get away from. I really don't think Lagosians love the prospect of instant investigation and impeachment without due process and fairness. All sane and democratic societies have process to protect everybody's rights including public officials. They are sure not above the law, but they are citizens just like you and me. I can not accuse you of something and take you to court without providing evidence to justify my legal gripe against you. Doing so opens me up for counter charges, libel and punitive fines, people get away with unprofessional behavior like these in Nigeria because we don't have standards, we don't play fair and we thumb our noses at rule of law.

About Fashola opening up. What do you really want him to open up? The legislature has all the power in the world to subpoena any document from the contractors and the executive. They obviously don't have anything incriminating against the Governor and ot explains the reason why we have not seen anything incriminating on TV and the national dailies.

The burden is on the investigator to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, not on the accused, the accused can not do the work of the prosecutor. The man is a lawyer and he said he'll respond to their allegations in due time, meaning till they come up with credible evidence of whatever they have against him.

I personally applaud the Governor for not getting down and dirty with these professional clowns, the best thing for him to do is to go on about his business till they come up with something meaningful against him, not petty and silly nonsense like he overspend on this, he gave the contract to that?


We all want democracy, we just need to do it the right way, not the jungle way we've been doing it.

Source: babapupa of Nairaland

If people still can't make sense out of this, then I GIVE UP!!!

Alxmyr:
Why are you blaming Turai? When you have a lame duck as acting president who would be so dunce to announce to Nigeria that he will go and receive instruction from the wife of the president and the whole fec meeting should not hold, Mumu man,

This is exactly the problem we have.

Our leaders are not our own. They think they own Nigeria, but one day (very soon) wind go blow!!!

And that yansh will be a very sorry sight.

I just pray it doesnt get bloody.

otawa:
Her husband is the executive President of Nigeria.

She can refuse access to anyone to see him.

She can pass any message to anyone and says it is from her husband.

That is why when you voting for President, you are also voting for the WIFE!

They are called 'First Family'

Thinking like this will continue to set us back into the prehistoric years!!!

Now that Yaradua has returned, they really need to go thank the king os SA for a job well done.

Stoopid nincompoops wasting our money and still opening their mouth to talk foolishness!!!

Dede1:
What a display of mature articulation from Katsumoto, Mikeansy and ndu_chucks. It is refreshing to read the display of your innate intellectual ability. Sometimes a gem could be found in the rough.

The same loose cannons that are purring insolences on the ministers especially Ojo while praising Johnathan could not discern, even if their lives depended on it, that Johanthan has been the acting President and supported every trip to Saudi Arabia

If you re-read through, you'll see that nobody is supporting goodluck or jonathan or fec or the ministers.

I am only saying the rubbish situation in Nigeria has gone on for too long. It would have been better if Mr Ojo, had just kept his mouth shut!

Only a wise man knows when to talk and when to keep shut.

I speak for myself.

Forpeace is here again!!!!

All your posts seem to be about the same issue.

You have to justify your mega paycheck abi

How long do you have to deliver

I'm sorry, but the time for diplomatic moves is over. 90 days and still counting and the best we can come up with is diplomatic moves?

The truth is that we have people in Government who think the whole of Nigeria is their property, and they insult us with their stooopid comments.

Ojo should save his stooplomatic talk for the king of SA and Yaradua. We don't need to hear any more diplomacy.

I don't blame them sha. With all the difficulties in Naija, we have learnt to be patient about everything.

Nigeria - the most patient people on earth ;the happiest people on earth!!!

MsTom:
Wanna add that the police can have access without subpeonas when it is related to a crime. It can be given to federal officials who are conducting national security and intelligence activities or providing protective services to the President or other important officials. This is the case of Yaradua. There is the case of a crime- the signing of the budget and also the case of national security- the president is missing or whereabout unknown. Dont know if Hippa laws operate anywhere else though

True. Patient confidentiality can't apply in every case. And for yar'adua, if the Nigerian Government takes a diplomatic stance against Saudi Arabia, they would have to divulge his information.

ola4yinka:
A level 6 officer who's on a N15,000 a mnth salary was so happy when a new Govt came into power in Lagos, with da hope that a change in Govt. will atleast make his life more worth living, they were told loads of lies as to their welfare(salaries) will be greatly looked into. Years after, these hapless civil servants still lives on these poor wages, suddenly, he discovered there are now good roads and BRT busses passing thru Beautiful and well decorated parks and busstops, happy he should be, you think?, what good is the road to a man who's finding it hard to fend for his family?, what good are the beautiful flowers to a man who has been blinded by Hunger to even see hope tomorrow?, now am short of what else he has done to make the man in the street(common man) get a life, who's at the door?.oh! its the Landlord, u know the rest, i refused to be Blinded by roads and beautification,

O ma se ooo!!!

Naija and sentiments. The story really had me moved. You want to listen to my own personal life story?

ahidjo:
I have always prayed that Nigerians living in Nigeria will always continue to find ways of surviving the severe and unbearable hardship in Nigeria. After reading people's comments on this forum, my mind just can not help but wonder the manner of mentality Nigerians have. Totally disgusting and hopeless. Everybody in life (not just Politicians) face allegations. It is left for the individual involved to dispell such allegations and take appropriate actions. Fashola has so far not done that to redeem his image. He instead chose to attempt to stop litigation. Any where in the world when weighty (very very weighty as in this case) allegations are raised, it is usually investigated irrespective of whether the official involved is an assumed angel. Civilized governance (that is what is obtained in civilized countries) is a system of governance where every dime budgeted is spent on what it is meant for. Any body who is suggesting or continuing to suggest that should be allowed to inflate or steal (even 1 naira) because he is doing a good work is being criminal ( no apologies). It is this type of thinking and reasoning that has kept us as a castrated nation. Just because Fashola is doing better than those before him does not make him a good governor or above the law. Nigeria has since independence been cursed with criminal leaders that anybody that constructs few kilometers of roads and does few other things that do not improve the social wellbeing of the people (the primary purpose of governance), will always be regarded as extra-ordinary. Let me remind people of the saying that 'he that settles for lowered standars, celebrates mediocrity'. My last visit to Lagos made me ask the question :"I thought they say that Fashola is doing wonders in Lagos" for the Lagos I saw looked like a glorified town.

I completely agree that doing a good job is not a reason for stealing.

However, even in countries with better democracy, you can't just publicly make baseless accusations against anyone.

Therefore, nobody can judge the Governor guilty until the accusations have been proven.

Therefore, rather than throwing rumors in the air ( Nairaland) mr. Poster should submit his findings to EFCC or the appropriate bodies and let them investigate.

The reason why the court stopped the probe is valid. Please read!!!

http://news.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=14824

Beaf:
Really? How many are doing business in Bangladesh?
Ok, I'll put it in another way; life in Zimbabwe is better than life in Nigeria. Period.

And I believe that is your personal opinion.

Beaf:
Zimbabwe is in better shape than Nigeria. That is the sad truth.
Have you ever seen a bad road on TV in Zimbabwe? I can bet that nobody here has.

If anybody challenges the above, let them post pictures and their sources.

This has nothing to do with the issue. Even if we had the best roads in the world, Nigerians will still be doing business in different parts of the world.

The chinese and indians are doing business in poorer nations than theirs.

The world is a very small country! I wouldn't argue that governments should make laws that would favor their locals but at the same time, they have to be internationally tolerant.

@Poster

The reason why your post received a lot of attack in the beginning was that you made judgement based on allegations that have not been verified.

That happens a lot in Nigeria, even though it is not the right thing to do. Irrespective of your position, you are innocent until proven guilty.

And because none of our politicians in the past have ever seemed to do the right thing, we all join together and judge them based on personal prejudiced sentiments.

But for the case of Governor Fashola, he has given hope to Lagos, so the reputation he has built so far stands for him.

Therefore, you have to be sure about what you are saying about him before making judgement, or else you might suffer big consequences for defamation of character.

So, if you are providing information, let us know about its credibility.

Hardtalk:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-399538.0.html

Then let EFCC do its job, find the man guilty before you start accusing.

NONSENSE!!!!

I won't be surprised if that is Mr Hardtalk's ultimate mission.

My guess is he is somebody in Fashola's administration who had his undue privileges removed from him.

And he wants to get back at his boss by taking his job.

And that is the reason why Nigeria has been taking so long to move forward.

Bad bele people will spoil anything good that will benefit the general population as long as it doesn't allow them to fatten their personal accounts!

I guess nairaland is getting beyond putting foolishness on the home page.

At Mr. Hardtalk, how long did it take you to type up your allegations?

How did you come about your information?

Are you working with his government?

Did someone give you a list of the allegations?

Please stop all these cat and mouse games you've been playing.

You are becoming a buzzing mosquito.

If Fashola wants to prove anything, who is he going to prove to that he is innocent?

Who is accusing him?

Have they reported to EFCC?

The man has a job to do abeg.

The accusation is by faceless people. I won't be surprised if their sponsors are people who wine and dine with the man sef.

For the people concerned about the allegations, I know his government has been very transparent so far, and i believe you can request for any information you want rather than just slinging mud online.

And if you are not satisfied, go to EFCC or sue him to court.

Let us (fashola worshippers) hear word jor.

Hardtalk:
Indeed, another Fashola follower, waka make I pass jare. I have nothing against Fashola, but all these are begging questions, seeking answers, even if the write-up is full of lies, let someone please help us. We know how much people pay as taxes on monthly basis. In fact, N14billion as confirmed by Fashola, is no small money in our economy bro!.

Who will help you!!!

After helping you finish, you go come turn around start to dey accuse dem.

Abeg, make you go siddon if you no fit make sense for ya accusations jare. Me sef fit siddon for my computer type out nonsense numbers and claims.

EzeUche:
You need to go to sleep. Biafra will never sleep as long as the people who survived that war are still among us. My father survived that war and the stories he would tell me allows the hatred in me to burn bright.

All I want is REVENGE. Not an apology but sweet sweet REVENGE!

LWKMD ooooo. Revenge against who!!!

Hardtalk:
There is not point castigating without making any point. You have not made any point as far as I am concern. No one has the right to speak ill of anyone, except he or she has personal grudge with the person. I am totally disappointed in your post. I am really ashamed of your kind. Really.

Mr. You brought the ill talk here. And like tpia said, anybody can cook up any amount of lies he/she wishes in Naija.

If you really have something to say, or you have proof beyond reasonable doubt, then let us know so we can prosecute our Governor.

But if you don't have anything meaningful to say, then don't say nothing.

whiteroses:
arm robber infested city kmt but i grew up there and luv it tho. btw why is brasil not on that list

I think the list is real suspicious!!!

I'm sorry, but i don't swallow everything i read. Anybody can come up with any rating he likes.

They even say Nigerians are the happiest people on earth!!!

Lagos news is always headline news!!!

These are the characteristics of a champion.

And because somebody says so doesn't make it true, doesn't make it false either.

So, i wonder what all the talk is about.

Anyway, lots of research/statistics are biased. What reputation do the publishers have?

browncocos:
dear doc
i dont know if this is the right place to write this
my baby who is now 6mos old has been having serious spit ups since like 1mos of age
any one i talk to say its just normal
but is it normal to spit up almost 1oz of bosom milk after feeding like 4 oz of milk?
its really strange and i dont know what to do
at first i thot she might have a milk allergy or some gastro intestinal issues pls advise

my first 2 kids had regular spit ups as infants

p.s i make sure i burp her for about 15mins every time i feed her
and i dont put her in a lying position for about an hour after eating
do i need to be worried about anything?
expecting a reply soon thanks

Spit ups (regurgitation) may be normal in children less than 1 yr old and they are usually a cause for concern for many parents. It may take longer to resolve in babies who are born premature.

Severity of spit ups may be a perception of the parent especially those who have other children that didn't have that problem. So, we must bear in mind that each child is different.

However, severe spit ups may be a sign of gastro esophageal reflux disease and will be associated with excessive crying, irritability, inadequate weight gain, inadequate mental development.

I got an article on gastroesophageal reflux disease that might be helpful.

http://www.parenthood.com/article-topics/baby_spitup_whats_normal_whats_not.html

With the kind of politics and lawlessness of almost every individual in Nigeria, it is impossible to have a one-man saint.

I know it will be very hard for Fashola to be a complete saint even if he wanted to, otherwise, he wouldn't be given the chance to do a tenth of all the things he has done so far.

A lot of Nigerians still appreciate all that he has done and he has integrity on his side. Therefore, these allegations have to be proven before any sane person should regard them.

We have evil nurses, doctors, Lawyers, law makers, governors, bankers, salesmen, saleswomen, lab scientists, gatemen, policemen, lastma, politicians, journalists, nairalanders, actors, musicians and the list goes on and on and on.

My point is that, the world is a circle, everything we do unprofessionally will affect some other person in some way that will make him do something hurtful to somebody else. And we need to break the chain.

If each person tries his best regardless of occupation, the world will be a better place.

I guess am just dreaming.

@Post

For those saying the carnival will not be beneficial to Lagosians, go ask the people from the little islands in the caribbean.

During carnival, people fly in from all over the world and that brings business to the people. This is one of the reasons why the caribbean is a famous tourist destination. And for your information, many of these islands' economy is totally dependent on tourism.

If you do not look beyond your nose, you will never see the bigger picture.

And i am sure oworonsoki raod will be fixed. Just channel your complaints to the right authorities. I don't think Nairaland can help you with that.

@post

Mr. Governor is only trying to use makeup to cover wrinkles.

Instead of providing 108 30kva generators, why not work at improving electricity supply.

bamboke:
Pls I know I should go to d gyneacology section,but I didn't get a response in a long time.

I really want to take in,want to know if it is possible to conceive on the first day of menses.

Its the 30th day now,but no menses yet since last month 25th.

I am still waiting though,but been having cramps for a week now.

Thanks 4 anticipated responses

Pregnancy occurs when the female's egg (ovum) which is released during ovulation (ovulation is approximately 14 days before the begining of the next cycle) is fertilized by the man's sperm cells (spermatozoa).

Even though it is possible, the chances of getting pregnant while having your menses are very slim.

Fogman:
Hello doc, pls i need your assistance. My cousin suffers from typhoid infection every 2 months or less and we are tired of injections, etc. we re considering taking a vaccine for it, reputed to last 5 yrs. What do you advice.

Because he has been having typhoid fever frequently, getting vaccinated might be a good idea.

However, you should know that vaccines are not 100% protective, so he needs to avoid getting exposed to typhoid organisms (salmonella spp.) which are present in contaminated water and food.

You can get more information about typhoid vaccines by searching on google.

BTW, i hope these frequent episodes of typhoid fever were diagnosed based on reliable lab tests.