₦airaland Forum

Azibalua:
Conveying materials to other parts of the world

Only a fool would believe the plane is being used to convey materials to other part of the word

I am also interested in knowing the nature and volume of materials that is being transported. You are using oyedepo's private jet to transport materials to other parts of the world abi it's like a trader using a Rolls-Royce to convey tomatoes from Kano to Lagos or Dangote using the Benz s-class to supply cement

Joagbaje:
They were criticising tithing and asking what benefit of my tithing . I only gave an example of what give tithing and giving does. A giver will always recieve,

Joagbaje:
I will rather boast in the goodness of giving than have some unbelievers run down the benefits of giving.

This might just be another lie, and please dont even attempt to play the victim card here I dont think i have seen anybody here, believer or unbeliever running down the benefit of giving. One issue i do know has to do with your inability to provide evidence that there are benefits exclusive to tithing That does not amount to running down giving.

Joagbaje:
That's not true, having churches everywhere doesn't make people hear the gospel. Do they enter the churches? Do you know how many people play football on Sunday morning even in lagos ?.

This is also not true. The fact that people play football on sunday morning dont mean they never heard the gospel. A good number of them have been church goers in the past, they probably play football on sunday mornings because their pastor did not deliver the right goods.

coogar:
you are the one missing the point. the gospel has reached everyone in nigeria. there's no living soul in that country who has not heard about the gospel. that issue has been overflogged already. even a domestic animal in nigeria knows the gospel with about 6 different churches on every street you turn in lagos.

Pastors/churches use a good chunk of their resources making belivers out of believers Jo will claim he is spreading the gospel on NL religious section. I doubt if any of the regular posters here can say they never heard the gospel, whether Atheist or even muslim

dare2think:
The bolded is what I find puzzling. Liberate the world from oppresion? The last time I checked, Palestine is still oppresed, Somalia is stateless, poverty in kenya, Libya in turmoil, various forms of oppression still occuring around the world.

He did succeed in liberating himself

Joagbaje:
Why is everything about cash to you guys? [s]Are you so afraid of money that you worship it[/s]. I preach Jesus and salvation prosperity . But MONEY is all you see. Just like the Pharisees of Jesus day.

Haba Jo, this na false accusation i dont know why you are saying this. You know it's not my fault It's the impression you succeded in creating here na But talk true, are you saying you dont like cash anymore

Jo 7:12
There was a lot of discussion about him among the crowds. Some said, "He's a wonderful man crook," while others said, "No, he's duping the public."

Joagbaje:
Are you so afraid of money that you worship it.

Na wa for you Do i look like a cash worshipper

EarsWide:
How can someone who can raise dead people have so much time to spend on internet forums - you should be busy 24/7 raising dead poeple, abi ?

You have to understand, Jo is a big boy He will not be too keen on raising more 'dead bodies' if the 'returns' from the last transaction was not encouraging Jo is not spending time on internet forums for nothing, i am sure he's making more cash from 'living bodies' here

ufofi2003:
NOW THAT GOD HAS SO BLESSED ME FINANCIAL, WHERE DO YOU WANT ME TO SOW MY FINANCIAL SEEDS? IS IT IN AN HERBALIST SHRINE OR IN A BEER PARLOR?

It just that you've been brainwashed You've been sowing your financial seeds all this while. . . . . .

ufofi2003:
I PAY OTHER CHILDREN SCHOOL FEES WITHOUT ANY STRESS, I HAVE SET UP A LOT OF LESS PRIVILEGED PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING WELL TODAY

. . . . . .without knowing it please do more of this.

Joagbaje:
Why don't fed ex use Nigerian airways?

is winners in business for monetary gains/profit? What has FED-EX using planes got to do with Oyedepo buying private jet Is oyedepo in the business of moving goods for monetary profit goods that need to be delivered to the recipient within 24hours if he is, he need to get large cargo planes for efficiency , not luxury planes

EarsWide:
@kris2glo

I hope you are joking - you surely cannot think a 2 year old can speak in tongues!!

What do you expect from somebody that reasons in 'tongues'

KunleOshob:
@mabell

Even you that is supposedly older than to 2.5 year old girl has consistently demonstrated on this forum that you understand absolutely nothing as far as the scriptures is concerned. How much less a two year old.

True talk

Kx:
Just thinking out loud;

Is this is any way related to the saying[i] " the more u look, the less u see''??[/i]

It all depends, if its your regular prosperity p.i.m.p pastor pointing it out to you, i think its 'the more you look, the less you understand'

Joagbaje:
No rather , the more you look the more you become

i think it's the more you look, the more what you see aligns with what you want to see, the more you become Learn from zikkyy, Oyaks no teach this one

Joagbaje:
You don't have to be a 419 to prosper. Prosperity is your inheritance

Inherited from the congregation

newmi:
You see its called "THE MIRROR PRINCIPLE" The word of God envelops the true picture and image of who we truely are thus it is "the manual of the Christian" so when we look into the word we see God's perspective of us and then comform to it by the ministry of God's Spirit

You dont understand. What people see is what they WANT to see

newmi:
You see its called "THE MIRROR PRINCIPLE" The word of God envelops the true picture and image of who we truely are

Who are you then? you think everybody is the same BTW if the late Osama Bin Laden had looked, do you think he would have seen what you saw am sure he looked

Joagbaje:
There’s a transformation that takes place in your life as you meditate on the Word of God; you’re transfigured, and you become what you see in the Word.

I agree with oyaks You are what you see. for e.g if you see money, you probably end up a 419 prosperity preacher

Joagbaje:
The principle is “as you look, you are changed!”

Yes o what you change into is all down to what you see and this varies with people

Joagbaje:
Why does FED-EX need plane ? . It's just a vehicle .

nuclearboy:
"Giving" (not tithing) is the principle that over-rides dispensation.

Do NOT put tithing, seed sowing and giving together - one is based on "law"and "inducible compulsion" while the others are based on "love" and "freedom". That is the difference.

Madam Azibalua will have some difficulting understanding what you wrote. You will need a pastor to process the info on her behalf

Jo, you forgot you started a thread with this same sermon somewhere No crash NL server with unnecessary duplications abeg

Joagbaje:
the Father’s love in you should compel you to give your all to the Lord and dedicate yourself to the expansion of His Kingdom. It should motivate you to preach and give big-time for the propagation of the Gospel!

If you need money from the congregation, just ask. Its that simple You dont need go this route to squeeze money out of members

Image123:
If Melchisedek could receive tithes, i believe Jesus Himself receives ours.

You had to rank the man Melchizedek as Christ equal just to justify your tithing activity In fact reading this post all over, it looks like you consider Melchizedek superior to Christ If Melchizedek received tithe, Jesus should When & if scriptural acrobatics becomes an event at the olympic games, we'll ensure you represent Nigeria (alongside Jo), we are sure of claiming all three medals here

I am yet to make up my mind, but its likely i will vote 'YES' why? cos pastor can curse members that dont tithe

Joagbaje:
But if I have some money to help empower people finacialy for business , I will first look at brethren, some are involved serving God but needs a job or capital. I will help the brethren first before going to others on the street. Paul sent relief to the brethren in Jerusalem and not to every man on the street of Jerusalem .

Okay i am happy to see you dont plan on neglecting the people on the street. I am sure you will do more if you have more resources I guess that's the issue some people have with churches; that they can do much better (for the brethren & also those on the street) with the resources in the church coffer

mabell:
Joblessness!
I think you should focus more on your service to god,am sure you will yield better results

Na wa oo even this 'godlet' dey flex muscles for here

Anyways, i am doing just fine, Thanks. i'll stick to harrasing scripture twisting (die hard) pastors like your oga. I find it more rewarding

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=665253.msg8313517#msg8313517 date=1305295656]No need to sympathise with anyone, I for one believe in tithing, no pastor convinced me to do so, it is something i strongly believe in and I practise so at least in my case no one is fleecing me.[/quote]Good for you. It the money loving, bible twisting pastors we are after, not you.

Joagbaje:
I will take the two people.

i thought brethren should be given priority

Joagbaje:
This is not the same thing.

It is the same thing. Your priorites does not take away your duty to others.

Joagbaje:
The dying man I rescue was not a born again. We are talking about the duty of the church.

But our top priority is the the brethren.

On lighter note Jo, if there had been two people lying on the road in similar condition, one a cec member the other an 'unbeliever', and you have room for just one person (ignore the possibility of getting additional help), who would you take to the hospital

Joagbaje:
The term "World" refers to the natural men, umbelievers. Who are not members of the body of christ as yet.

I know

i asked because you stated in your post that the purpose of the church is to preach the gospel to the world, knowing pastors spend a good chunk of their time preaching to same people every sunday; the church members

Joagbaje:
Most churches if not all ,have a helps department ,welfare department etc. By which members are catererd for as I said in my first post.

You sometimes refer to the church as the registered entity and sometimes as the members. The church helps & welfare department is still the church sir.

Joagbaje:
It is not church duty to be handling hamburgers to every man on the street.

Duty I dont expect to see you or the pastor giving Dangote or Otedola a packet of biscuit if you see him on the street. Let take the case of the young chap that was badly burnt and lying helpless on the street. What made you stop and help? was it because you were in a good mood or because it was what any good christian should have done. If you come accross some other person in a similar state today, how will you respond

I also like ask (and you need not respond), we read on this forum cec donating to charity and even buying equipment for the police force. what was the motivation? too much money? the church want to look good in the eyes of society? branding? it's not the church duty, so why do it?

Joagbaje:
I don't know what you mean.

This from your post . . .

Joagbaje said: The purpose of the church is to preach the gospel to the world, that's what we owe them.

. . . I wanted to know if love is not part of the gospel. Maybe i should have asked what you meant by the gospel. If  christian duty is restricted to loving fellow christians, its okay for a christian to see an 'unbeliever' in a state of distress and not lend a helping hand.  

Joagbaje:
And when the crisis hit. Did the church send relief to the whole world? No.rather  Paul raised money in his churches and send to the brethren in Jerusalem churches. Not to people on the street. That is my point. We may do all that if God allows but the brethren comes first.

Okay. but can you provide some clarification on what you mean by 'if God allows'

Joagbaje:
If this were done today ,critics will still attack it. It is a spirit . As one critic once wrote "why would pastor be collecting money to reach the needy,why can't the brethren take the money by themselves to the needy"      nothing can satisfy a church critic.

Not really. I think it because the pastor cannot be trusted to use the money solely for the purpose of helping the needy

Joagbaje:
The first proof that a man has come to know Jesus is by loving the church.

Joagbaje:
Some people tske delight in criticising the church and brethren .

So who do we love, the building or the people

Joagbaje:
We must consider the church in all we do. We are one flesh with one another . We take communion of the blood together. We can't say we love the church and at the same time tear the body apart in open shame.

True.

Joagbaje:
It is so bad these days that even a sin that someone has repented of many years ago are still bring published here on the Internet

Maybe they dont believe he truly repented probably from the manner he conducts his business.

Joagbaje:
We may have doctrinal difference . God is working on that.The early church had some doctrinal difference. But Doctrinal Walls are being broken down till we reach the unity of the faith. There may be faults and offences. These should not get us out of the arena of love into carnal and fleshly action . Insulting and cursing one another all in Jesus name.

i like this bit

Joagbaje:
. . and there they go again.

Jo, maybe it's due to the issue of trust or confidence in the church leadership. It's the leadership that get hit most times. Since they believe only Jesus can rebuke them (afterall members are suppose to submit), members have no choice but to use public forums like this.

Joagbaje:
There is notjing physically attractive about the land of isreal. No crude oil like other arab nations. It is not even big .But everyone wants the land of israel. The small land has become the center of world crisis. Why ? There is something special about the land spiritually.

What has this got to do with the pastor fleecing the flock

Joagbaje:
Why does satan attack the giving of tithes 'money loving pastor' fleecing the flock.

Good question

Joagbaje:
Why does satan attack the giving of tithes. People of God give lands, cars and even empty their bank account to God and to his work .it looks ok.

People practically give their lives to God and his work. How come satan refuses to attack those that gave their all maybe those that (sincerely) gave their all are immune to satan's attack, maybe it's not satan attacking Be smart

newmi:
Please coorect me if am wrong, the tithe is 10% of an 100% leave us with 90% someone needs to convince me that 90% is enough but to make a man go into dept

For some people 100% might not even be enough, i think this what frosbel was saying.

Joagbaje:
Church is not a charity organisation

Joagbaje:
The purpose of the church is to preach the gospel to the world, that's what we owe them.

So the purpose of people coming together every sunday (and other times) is to preach the gospel to the world I like to know, who you refer to as 'the world', are refering to the people sitting right in front of the pulpit every sunday (listening to the pastor)? the people watching via t.v? or the man (or woman) not even aware of the activities going on in church (minding his business somewhere)

BTW what gospel are you preaching then I dont see how you can excise love from the gospel. I used to think its a total package.

Joagbaje:
but for the church, we have the responsibility of building one another spiritually and helping one another. So the charity part is for members of the church.

This is confusing, how do seperate the church from its members I get the impression your idea of church is the PLC or limited liability organization with a CEO (pastor), it renders services (physical & spiritual) to the 'members' and get paid for the service.

What i read you saying here is that the church teaches, members practice thats okay

Joagbaje:
It should motivate you to preach and give big-time for the propagation of the Gospel! The Father’s love in you should compel you to lay your all down for the Lord and live unto Him:

E be like money no dey come as before. Business must be bad

Image123:
but why do we exert so much on nothing.

Enigma:
1. Unfortunately it is not "nothing"! Experience teaches that those who say the kind of things in the piece in the opening post are working a different agenda which is to drag Jesus down and turn people away from "remaining in Him"!

Joagbaje now believes he is 'him' (Christ). Jo and his people have taken the doctrine of trinity to another level; membership have been extended to include Jo & co. now we have multiple persons in one God

Joagbaje:
You are right. They speak for him. They speak his speech ,his language and do his will. And that's what we are talking about. We speak his language .

Yes they speak for him, but it does not make them president. The fact that christians have authority does not make them Christ.