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Joagbaje:
God accepts me on the bases of Jesus in me. He sees me as Jesus . That's eternal life. Christ in me. Jesus is divided into all of us.
That's what God sees. That's what the devil sees.

How because you look like Jesus abi i think God only sees the Jesus in you (if any ). the devil knows you are not Jesus so, dont deceive yourself

Enigma:
Funny also, they can say people should go to the father directly but when it comes to "tithes" they don't tell the people to go to God direct; that one can only get to God through the "pastors"!

This i find interesting. how come i need to rely on the pastors' anoiting to send the devourer on his way or go through the pastor to get my blessings

Joagbaje: We have the right of attorney to function in His stead, the same way a delegated member of a presidents cabinet can represent him at a state function.

Representing a president does not take away the responsibilities of the president. The delegates ensure they don’t misrepresent the president as he takes ultimate responsibility for the outcome of the function.

[quote author=Tee_Jay link=topic=654946.msg8221961#msg8221961 date=1304000472]I think to suggest that any part of the bible is now irrelevant because of Jesus is very incorrect. He even confirmed in Matthew 5:17 that He has come to fulfill the law and not to abolish it. We also know from John 1:1-12 that "In the beginning was the Word(Jesus)" so and "For ever oh Lord thy Word is settled" Psalm 119:89 so cherry picking one aspect of the bible and claiming that other aspect is no longer relevant can't be right[/quote]So, is burnt offering still relevant

Joagbaje:
Several pastors have approach tithing in different wrong way. Some also have said if you dont tithe God will put a curse on you.etc.

I gree with you Jo but reading further . . . . . .

Joagbaje:
You may not know what you're missing. Cup don't get filled overnight. Some things takes time to show .

i see you making similar threats i guess it okay for me to say you belong to the group of pastors that have 'approached tithing in different wrong ways'

Joagbaje:
tithing preceeded the law and also outlive the law. The levitical priesthood is over. The church has become the ground of truth. And God expects us to fulfill obligations in the church as men did under the OT.

What obligations? if you say tithing preceeds the law, then provide here evidence that this tithing obligation to the church also preceeds the law. You dont need the law to justify your tithing practice

Image123:
Genesis 1:31  And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

That was Adam, what about Image123 Kindly confirm if Image123 was born, perfect

KunleOshob:
@Image

What is the purpose of life on earth? And why is there a promise of a better life to come?

I like this question i hope Image will be able to provide an answer Image123, where are you

Enigma:
^^^ Whoever wrote the above is an i.diot and a dumbass.

Azibalua:
Luke 22:35-51
35 Then Jesus asked them,"When I sent you out to preach the Good News and you were without money, duffle bag, or
extra clothing, how did you get along?""Fine,"they replied.
36"But now,"he said,"take a duffle bag if you have one and your money. And if you don't have a sword, better sell your
clothes and buy one! 37 For the time has come for this prophecy about me to come true:` He will be condemned as a
criminal!'Yes, everything written about me by the prophets will come true."

Anticipating evil or so you would say, at this time he asked them to procure swords

38"Master,"they replied,"we have two swords among us.""Enough!"he said.
39 Then, accompanied by the disciples, he left the upstairs room and went as usual to the Mount of Olives. 40 There he
told them,"Pray God that you will not be overcome by temptation."
41- He walked away, perhaps a stone's throw, and knelt down and prayed this prayer:"Father, if you are willing, please
take away this cup of horror from me. But I want your will, not mine."43 Then an angel from heaven appeared and
strengthened him,
44 for he was in such agony of spirit that he broke into a sweat of blood, with great drops falling to the ground as he prayed more and more earnestly. 45 At last he stood up again and returned to the disciples-- only to find them asleep, exhausted from grief. 46"Asleep!"he said."Get up! Pray God that you will not fall when you are tempted.

47 But even as he said this, a mob approached, led by Judas, one of his twelve disciples. Judas walked over to Jesus and
kissed him on the cheek in friendly greeting. 48 But Jesus said,"Judas, how can you do this-- betray the Messiah with a kiss?"
49 When the other disciples saw what was about to happen, they exclaimed,"Master, shall we fight? We brought along
the swords!"



Interesting they could remind him of the real function of the sword he asked them to buy
Why do you think he ask them to buy swords,was it to make them function in their culture more? Definitely not

50 And one of them slashed at the high priest's servant and cut off his right ear.
51 But Jesus said,"Don't resist anymore."And he touched the place where the man's ear had been and restored it.


At this point it was time to be taken and he had been strengthened and so there was no point resisting the arrest, but at the time he knew it was not yet his time to be taken, he figured out a way of escape.

More proof that cec have zombies for congregation. No evidence to show you made any serious attempt to process the bible verses you quoting here. Maybe it because you believe Jo is always right.

TCD:
Sorry, just a quick question. What do U̶̲̥̅̊  mean by Jesus was "Rich" then became poor. What where D̶̲̥̅̊ riches spoken of therein? Are you saying that in heaven there exists aplenty dollars, pounds, yen? Gold,silver? Is it that they possess many designer clothes/accesories in heaven? Do they even wear clothes in heaven? Or maybe there is soooo much food hence D̶̲̥̅̊ riches but, do they eat in heaven?

Even if such where present in heaven, of what monetary/currency value is it right there in heaven for it to be qualified as "riches"?

Bear in mind that even if you give a truck load Of Gold to a bush man in whose society gold is ηọ̥t  recognised as something of value or currency, you have effectively in his mind given him worthless junk.

So please, can you clarify D̶̲̥̅̊ riches you spoke of Jesus having above. Thanks

newmi, where are you

Gombs:
i reverence him,because he's the custodian of my blessings,my prosperity is tied to him

i honestly think this harrassment is not necessary. if Jo claim to have raised somebody from the dead, good for him maybe it's just for marketing and the only risk is that people will be queing up in front of his office for their own miracle (with consultation fee starting @ 10% ). but we dont have enough evidence (yet) to prove otherwise. I dont think we need to insult him

Joagbaje:
Were the disciples richer than Jesus? He was feeding them?

MrBible:
Judas one of the disciples had the money bag and not Jesus

Luv the response i would really luv to know who's in charge of the money bag joagbaje's church

flourishfx:
wat re d proper way dese principles can be applied to get a desried result.

What result

obamat:
yet this man is running scholarship for everybody that pass the requirement into the new university whatelse do you want him to do,

One good way to create awareness for a new product; you run a promo Its all marketing, he needs to get the school up and running as fast as possible. The promo stops as soon as the school is recognised and able to attract customers.

efisher:
[size=14pt]Buhari has no Future for Nigeria. All he has is a past![/size]

If you really want a future for Nigeria, you should be looking the way of GEJ or Ribadu. Buhari had his chance to stand behind Ribadu to form a formidable opposition but he failed to do so. It is time to move on.

My view: I dont think a Ribadu presidency is sellable in the North. Ribadu can only win in the southwest (being ACN). I doubt he will be able to win Lagos free & fair. I think GEJ will take Lagos and do well in other SW states.

JaaizTech:
But I see you are quite naive, the voting pattern experienced last saturday will be very different next week, just as we expect PDP to get more votes in the South-WEst, so also is CPC expected to get a lot more votes in the North.Whatever, the case the people voted for their choice (personality) and not party. So come next week people will also vote for their choice, those that like rogues will vote for rogues and those that like honest people will vote for honest people.

Very true. PDP will be getting more votes this saturday especially in Lagos. Even CPC will get more votes in Lagos. The voting pattern in the north will change as well. CPC lost Kano cos the people were not interested in the NASS candidates.

Zikkyy:
Even the writer of the Hebrew letter did not see Melchi as Christ 'in the preincarnate state', and i am very sure he was better informed.

Joagbaje:
Hebrews 7:2
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

I am afraid you have to do better to be convincing This not saying melchi and christ are one and same.

Also consider the following:

Verse 11 (KJV)
11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Verse 15
15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

Verse 17
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

190:
if i come out would you vote for me

Show yourself na let's have your credentials

190:
[color=deeppink]Exactly deep down in your heart you know he's not the right person afterwards

He is the best, till you are able to present somebody you believe can do better

OLAADEGBU:
[size=14pt]If one takes the Bible literally, such statements could be true only of God Himself, appearing briefly in the preincarnate state of the Second Person, as King of all peace and righteousness. Now this same divine Person,[/size] "because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him" (Hebrews 7:24-25). HMM

Mr. OLAADEGBU, how did you arrive at this conclusion Even the writer of the Hebrew letter did not see Melchi as Christ 'in the preincarnate state', and i am very sure he was better informed.

190:

Its better no body sits on that seat than have a THIEF sit there

Talk with one mouth and do something with another HAND!!  

F[i]uc[/i]k it, i wish osunbor was given the chance the fool took away from him

Every sees this  beast as the prince in shinning amour,

he gives good speeches to deceive the Hungry masses of edo state

The dude is always in ABUJA chasing women around or clubbing and ruling edo state from abuja

That naughty person should know that people have studied him too well

( watch it ) 2weeks to the governor elections he would come out and share brooms among benin women and they would

vote for him and then hunger and salivate for another 4years  

I got this feeling you are a close relative and beneficiary of either Osunbor or Aneni (maybe both)

Come to think of it, both names remind one of the famous duo; monday osunbor and his guy Anini my brother/sister, stop supporting criminals The day you are able to produce a better candidate, we will kick out oshiomole

190:
That man is up to something again, Look at his face ( TAKE A VERY GOOD LOOK @ THAT FACE )

does that face look like someone that can bring change to edo state,

do you have a better candidate in mind

SirJohn:
Naah! I doubt if the guy attends CE, his views on tithing differs from Jo's, a divided camp I'll say

I dont quite agree. Jo is just inconsistent, that's all. You need to take another read at Jo's defence of tithe since his first post on NL to understand what i am talking about. Jo very much agrees with Snowwy but play safe by sticking to Melchizedek.

Snowwy:
Thanks sirjohn,
for pasting the response of another author's interpretation.
Cheers.

This all you have to say i think you can do better I advise you read more of the bible, (and reduce your dependence on RoR )

Snowwy:
P.S
If those that are hailing you for your right up are focusing on what you highlighted as 1%, it shows how 'brilliant' they really are. If giving the portion due to the Levites and Priests now translates to 1% then you guys are sure showing poor understanding indeed.
Those that serve at the altar are both the priests and the levites. Chei! understanding sha

A priest is first a Levite before he is considered for the priestly position. But priests don't receive 10% of the peoples tithe, they receive 1%. That's what they are entitled to It is the (non-priest) Levite that receives 10% of the peoples tithe. There is nothing wrong with debosky's post jare

The levitical tithe does not even get to the altar, so i don't know what you are talking about. You need to do more reading to discover what was offered on the altar.

nuclearboy:
That is one reason why I really like Joagbaje - when he sees he is out-matched, he calls in the 1st "idiotic" Brigade to come scatter the thread to hide his shame and discomfort. SHARP GUY!!! I will gladly shake his hand before slapping him when I meet him.

debosky:
As for tithe not being mentioned 'explicitly' - this is another form of subtle deception. It was not mentioned AT ALL.

Thank you jare

Snowwy:
@Zikkyy,
You have told me the 'word' you are comfortable with and you obviously know that tithe i am speaking about is what is used to support the preachers today. I do not know what dust you are raising again. You have failed to back up your posts with scriptures or 'see' the scriptures I have given and shown yet you are asking questions and making various statements. Sorry, I am convinced by Holy spirit-interpreted scriptures.

I see you are waving the 'white flag' No wahala

Snowwy:
@ Zikky,
Your feeling was misplaced.
Paul gave a hint here below. I have actually responded in response to other posts the reason why God gave the Levites the tithe. It was for their service and also so that they could focus fully on their calling.

This what you mean by 'spiritual intent' your interpretation paints a picture of a well paid job with enough perks to enable you focus on delivering your services. i was expecting something much more 'spiritual'

Snowwy:
The Lord gave it to them as an inheritance, if you have a problem with how they spend this you can petition God in prayer. No need for a fit.

What about the pastors was the tithe given to them as an inheritance please provide good evidence and don't come back with the 'right of support' and 'Ox threshing' gist that's no evidence.

Snowwy:
Hope you won't be annoyed then, if like Paul, preachers say please bring my 'right of support' cheerfully when coming next week.

There is no way I’ll be annoyed, knowing his right of support does not include a private jet, a luxury mansion in an exotic location e.t.c. At least he is sincere, and if there is a need I can meet, I’ll glad to give

Snowwy:
God's laws are not arbitrary rules. They are based on spiritual principles. We should keep the laws of God not with arbitrary exactness, but accordance to the spiritual intent.

Snowwy:
If we insist only on a literal meaning, we miss the more important spiritual intent.

Snowwy:
You said you are sure I had no clue now? Now I ask candidly that you assist my understanding since to you God's giving of the tithe to the Levites had no 'spiritual intent'?

What do you want from me Snowwy You are the one that said we should adopt a spiritual approach to interpreting God’s law. All I’ve asked for is a spiritual interpretation of the law of tithing. I wanted you to educate me, but i had that feeling you were just quoting your pastor (on the spiritual principle bit)

Snowwy:
15Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

16For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

Snowwy:
Philippians 4:14-19

14Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.

15Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

16For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.

17Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.

18But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

19But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Yep I know you will come and say that 'tithe' wasn't mentioned explicitly but remember it was the Macedonian church that 'supported' Paul when he was speaking to the Corinthian's that he had a 'right of support' for preaching the gospel as he was 'robbing' other churches to service them.

How come it was only the church at Macedonia that was giving to Paul I am sure if tithing was mandatory, the Corinthians would have been tithing or contributing to Paul In fact, if there are benefits that can only be derived from tithing, the Corinthians would have been tithing Or are you saying Paul did not teach them the benefits of tithing Maybe Paul was not aware of the benefits as it was only recently discovered by the prosperity MOGs Your post here provides enough evidence that tithing was never part of the giving equation back in the days

Snowwy:
If do not like the word 'tithe' as I said earlier, please give 'support' to the preachers of the gospel. Feel better?

Now you are talking ‘Supporting’ the preachers of the gospel is what I want to hear. We don’t tithe (or give 10%) to the preachers of the gospel, we support them (based on our means, and cheerfully too) That’s what Paul was talking about. I do feel better Snowwy