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Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Bishop42: 8:41am On Sep 17, 2014 |
CFCfan: I guess so considering it is a private sector project. |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by chidekings(m): 8:45am On Sep 17, 2014 |
tandj: Enugu to say d truth is very slow in development. The neboring towns r still very locals. hope u were not high on some cheap weed when u posted this. 4 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Bim42: 9:08am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Nnewi1stSon: Those two groups are utterly useless! What good can come from a Gov's Forum run by an Imbecillic M0Ron as Orji? Ohanaeze is more interested in flying to Abuja every week to sell Igbos out to Jonathan! Would you rather want them to sell us out to Almajiri Peoples Congress(APC)? 1 Like |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by LasGidiOwner: 9:16am On Sep 17, 2014 |
That is the problem I have with some of you guys here. This is no longer regional government operations. These are federating units. You want economies or industries developed in other SE states to locate their head office in Enugu? Rivers developed its state with what it has- OIL. Delta State is developing itself with what is has- OIL. Anambra is presently developing OIL resources and first indigenous private refinery and after doing that you want the state to relocate the headquarters of Orient Petroleum from Awka to your state? Or Delta State relocate its own also, assuming they are part of Eastern states? It will not work. What has Enugu State done so far to develop its own resources and then site its head office within itself? Every state is presently on its own and should develop at its own pace. It is high time Enugu state leaders start thinking straight to develop their state economically, to make it viable and self sustaining without having to have the same old mindset of the old "regional system of governance" because it will not work. We need to start asking questions why the present and past administrations have not been able to develop coal resources and other numerous resources in Enugu state to give the state a broad economic and investment outlook than where poorly paid civil servants reside. I want to see the state government attracting investors to change the economic fortunes of the state for economic good than this "civil servants economic statuesque". Innovator90: 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by biafrandream: 9:59am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Handsomegod: Great insightful contributions all through. First,who said Enugu cannot have a boulevard filled with high rise sky scrapers in Okpara Avenue which is our CBD? Enugu as a prime city needs the balance and I know it will come to that in due time. Talking about developing our clusters of emerging cities,it is suprising that no one spoke about the role a seaport will play in imploding the promising economy of d South East! Already,all the micro-indicators(thriving middle class,massive pool of entrepreneurs,innovators,educated populace,large markets and a very mobile population,to name but a few) are evident and waiting to be tapped. Igbo land of today is akin to the American society during the mercantile era.My point is that a seaport will be a critical catalyst to the boom we all desire and until the unity of purpose exhibited in this forum is translated into reality.......The slavation of Igboland can only come from Igboland.Nigeria is our cancer! One cannot underestimate the importance of seaports and international airports in the economic development of Igbo land. However, I refuse to concede the validity of the argument that it is a condition precedent. I lived and worked in Nnewi after my college. Then Nnewi was an emerging industrial and economic hub of Nigeria. A lot of factories were been established, like G. O .D Group of Companies, Ibeto , Curtis Wires, Life Vegetable Oil and a host of others. Did those brave Nnewi guys wait for seaport or international airport before establishing the multi billion naira companies? No. There's nothing we cannot achieve economically in Igbo land even in the absence of both amenities. We only want to justify the stupidity of leaving our land desolate, to go and develop the land of people who hate us. Today we are paying the price and would pay more in the future. The reason international airport and seaport still top our agenda for economic and social development is because we still depend so much on importation of consumable goods. How many seaports are in Ogun and Kano states, yet our brothers establish all manner of industries there. Our problem is predominantly that of lack of faith in our God given potentials and self hate. By self hate I mean hating our own brothers. Everyone rushes out of Igbo land, thinking everyone is smart, but everyone is plain stupid at the long run. Yes, airports and seaports are important but we can do without them. 10 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Abagworo(m): 10:06am On Sep 17, 2014 |
Bim42: You sound like one of thembrainwashed Igbos that have no love for her fatherland. Ohanaeze is useless. The only group that made some noticeable move to me is BZM. Igbos should never sell themselves to anybody whether Jonathan or APC. |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by biafrandream: 10:16am On Sep 17, 2014 |
cjrane: Lol. You know us nah. I live in Lagos or Abuja syndrome, even when the guy sleeps under the bridge. 1 Like |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by kmariko: 12:39pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
biafrandream: For a modern economy you cannot do without airport and seaport. Yes Nnewi and surrounding are trying in the Nigeria context of very low industrial base but it is still very nascent with products limited to local consumption thus a limited value chain with low employment and tax base. Airports and seaports add to increase the pace if industrialization as goods made say in nnewi are shipped all over the country and subregion at competitive prices and time. 1 Like |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by kmariko: 1:01pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
LasGidiOwner: That is the problem I have with some of you guys here. This is no longer regional government operations. These are federating units. You want economies or industries developed in other SE states to locate their head office in Enugu? Rivers developed its state with what it has- OIL. Delta State is developing itself with what is has- OIL. Anambra is presently developing OIL resources and first indigenous private refinery and after doing that you want the state to relocate the headquarters of Orient Petroleum from Awka to your state? Or Delta State relocate its own also, assuming they are part of Eastern states? It will not work. What has Enugu State done so far to develop its own resources and then site its head office within itself? I think its a bit of a stretch to think that the idea that a state government developing an industry is a good thing because it is not. Which investor would like to compete with the state government. Secondly companies locate their offices based several factors least of which is primordial because companies are businesses not charities. |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 1:03pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
kmariko: You absolutely can not do without an airport , but you DO NOT NEED A SEAPORT. I can list 100 countries without seaports that have built great economies. In USA, Canada,Brazil,Japan, South Africa, China etc, there are plethora of key economic and industrial cities without sea ports. Infact in USA and China, there are huge economic centers without seaports at all. What you need is a reliable railway link from those cities to the sea. 6 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 1:34pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
I always tell this pep story to buttress the superior roles of airports over seaports in attracting major investments. Consider that you are the CEO of a company. Now you want to begin manufacturing in a certain South American country called Colombia. The chances of making it big in Colombia are all very attractive- big economy, close to Brazil,Argentina and Venezuela. Now you are considering two cities to site your factory. 1. Bogota - The capital city has security because the President lives there. It has an international airport that has direct flights from Enugu,Abuja or Lagos where you live. Also, it has a reliable and railway line to very cheaply haul your goods to the coastal seaport at Buenaventura for export. 2. Buenaventura - Is a regional city in the west coast of colombia with a seaport but no airport at all. In order to get to Buenaventura an area teaming with separatist insurgents who are protesting for a fair share of the natural resource from the Central government, you have to first land in the capital Bogota, then take a 12 hours bus travel to Buenaventura. Your bus must pass through two states Quindio and Tolima which have a very high rate of highway armed robberies, kidnapping of foreigners for ransom and the corrupt Colombian Policemen on many roads blocks that could easily shoot you if you didn't pay them the bribes they demand. This example is a true life scenario for these two cities in Colombia. Those who have visited that country can attest to this. I have not made anything up. Knowing the above, where would you site your factory in Colombia? Is there any surprise then that most of Colombia's economic activities happen in their capital-Bogota, which is landlocked? If you substitute the name Bogota for Abuja and Buenaventura for Yenagoa, you could very well be talking about Nigeria.! So the advantages of airports to attracting investments are a worldwide phenomenon. 2 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Ikengawo: 1:48pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
centje: ah! My dear you seem to miss something. Investors follow the government. What that means is that government's policies, commitment to providing basic amenities, including security lures investors. The idea of decentralising power is bourne out of repeated failure of the federal govt to put into good use the exclusive powers at its disposal, state government is closer to the people and appear to be doing better hence the agitation for more power to the states. A smart and honest governor can easily utilize such power to create enabling environment that will make investors want to invest in his state. New York has 0 federal presence, and Washington DC is 100% federal presence. You can't compare NY to DC. The difference is with Nigeria the government was in Lagos because that's where the economy was, afterwards they went to Abuja but you can't say that Abuja's superior federal and government presence has made it more economically viable than Lagos. 2 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by kmariko: 1:48pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
cjrane: Sorry should have read Airport OR seaport |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 2:09pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
Ikengawo: I think making an overly simplistic direct comparison of America's Federal Government to Nigeria's Federal Government without considering the realities of Nigeria will make you miss the point. In USA, the federal government resources are from royalties,taxes and specific federal investments. The states are free to use whatever resource they have within their states to fund their budgets. If Rivers state or Akwaibom were part of the USA, they should and will be more developed than anywhere else in Nigeria. In Nigeria, the Federal government collects 100% of the states' resources and only recently it began to give back only 13% for mineral wealth mined to the states that own the wealth. The taxes are collected centrally and only a minute fraction is disbursed to the state. Key infrastructure projects in any state such a refinery, power plants, trunk-A road bridges or flyovers etc must have exclusive permission from the central government to happen, and the permission can be withdrawn anytime by the FG before any state can do it. In the light of the realities of Nigeria's unitary system of government, of course any state that hosts the FG will have the benefit of encumbering funds derived from other areas for it's development.Add this to the fact that Nigeria is a highly tribalistic place where the capital will of course be sited in the preferred areas of the country and whoever controls the FG will use the opportunity of the flawed system to develop his area at the expense of the other places in the country. Abuja is a shining example of this unjust system. A thick bush was converted into a shining city within a space of 15 years, yet places like Warri, PH Oron, Eket until recently had remained isolated sorry places without good roads,electricity nor pipe borne water for decades. 5 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 2:12pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
kmariko: I missed it. Sorry Sir! Now i get your point.Yes both are very important but I still think functional international airports before the seaport. |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Handsomegod(m): 3:05pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
kmariko:@Chief Kmariko.Thanks a lot for your input.I was about responding to our brother when I saw your response. Currently,what we see are pockets of individual entreprenueria and corporate excellence.A seaport will open up the untapped drive in the millions of micro units littered all over the southeast and be an added motivation for these medium and micro units to expand their operational capacities and give exportation a big shot! While a seaport will not be a universal panacea to all our socio-economic challenges,its impact is still critical to our comprehensive development more so when you consider the total cost of depending on APapa and Tincan over the years.I wish us well! |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by IGBOSON1: 3:24pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
cjrane: ^^^Even nearer home here in Africa, we have good examples with Botswana and Rwanda; both landlocked and lacking seaports yet are doing quite well in many developmental indices! What we need is for the governors of the 5 South East (SE) states to meet with their South South (SS) colleagues (like Delta, Rivers, Akwa Ibom and Cross River) and move from the level of will-do-will-do by setting the ball in motion for the construction of a high-speed rail line linking state capitals and other major cities in the SE with those in the SS! We would need something in the neighbourhood of 5 billion dollars for this, and the finance can be part-sourced from the stock market! A functional and efficient high-speed rail line can pay for itself within 8 to 10 years, and can also serve as a catalyst for other economic activities like tourism, commerce, hospitality/conference hosting, and feeder industries (like stock/track maintenance, catering, station retailing, ticketing supplies/management, ticket/revenue inspection, advertisement on trains/stations, etc-etc-etc); also, from the aforementioned it's clear that employment figures will also be positively impacted! This was why i wanted an egg-head like Soludo to join the SS/SE Governors club; so he could bring in some bold ideas and initiatives! We need to take a gamble and think outside the box for a change, and turn the SE economy into a multi-billion dollar one within say the next 5 to 8 years, and make it a safe and comfortable destination for all.....tourists and investors alike! 3 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by spyder880(m): 3:31pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
IGBOSON1: Same here, I was disappointed when Soludo did not win. He is an asset to the south east. 1 Like |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Abagworo(m): 3:53pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
spyder880: For Southeast or Igbo Governors to work together, there must be a link. It does not take a soothsayer to know that if Ngige had emerged Anambra Governor, he would have worked together with Okorocha not because of Igbo interest but because they are friends. The Igbo man has an independent mentality and believes in absolute division and not amalgamation. Even within States, people clamour for zoning and within the zones people still clamour for sub-zoning. |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by IGBOSON1: 4:03pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
spyder880: ^^^Obiano seems to have started well though! I just hope this isn't the initial gra-gra most new governors are known for; and that his enthusiasm for the job is maintained at these same performance levels! He's done ok with security. Now i'd expect that the economic blueprint he has for the state is already being implemented; we should have some feelers as to where the state is heading after his first year in office! I want to see much more from Anambra than the usual building of roads (though i wouldn't mind if more urban roads are built in the inner streets of Onitsha, Awka and Nnewi).....the usual donation of security gadgets and APC vehicles to state police commands; the usual buying of computers for schools; the usual renovation of classroom blocks and rural clinics; the usual donation of keke-nape, sewing machines and block-making equipment to 'alleviate' poverty and unemployment; the usual giving of small grants for business start-ups! All these (though commendable) have become the hallmark of governance in our states today! I want to see a whole lot more from Obiano in Anambra! He's done well thus far, but like Oliver Twist.....i want some more sir! 9 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by spyder880(m): 4:16pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
A project is going to keep me away from Enugu for some time, but whenever I come in, weekends maybe, I will supply more Enugu pictures, more pictures coming today. See link....https://www.nairaland.com/1907636/port-harcourt-luxury-flats 4 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 4:19pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
spyder880: A project is going to keep me away from Enugu for some time, but whenever I come in, weekends maybe, I will supply more Enugu pictures, more pictures coming today. No wahala Bro. Go and make the money first. When you get back, you will have enough money to run around and support this thread with latest new pictures from Enugu. 5 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 4:22pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
IGBOSON1: Abeg, What happened to the Anambra Malls at Onitsha, Nnewi and Awka? Why the dearth of activities there since Peter Obi left? Is Obiano having second thoughts about these key programs the people desperately want to see completed and commissioned? 1 Like |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by oneeast: 4:37pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
Cj minister of misinformation. The 3 malls are all ongoing including the 5 start Agulu Lake Resort and Onitsha Resort. I will be going on my annual leave next week, I will go round the 3 cities and get current pix of all the projects. When I passed the site of Awka mall last month I saw serious construction work ongoing though I didn't pull over! cjrane: |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 4:42pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
oneeast: Cj minister of misinformation. Bros, believe me: I AM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. Obiano should hasten the pace and complete those key projects. Has he broken ground at the Nnewi site? I want Anambra malls to be completed quickly, Abia Malls to be completed and perhaps Rochas will have some pity and build a real mall in Owerri too. Who knows, Abakaliki may get one if the people there press their governor to tow the line of providing modern shopping and entertainment mall in the city. Bia Chino, Ihe a burukwa eziokwu ! Biko, post picshures soon o! So that I'm not dancing limpopo for nothing 5 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by spyder880(m): 4:46pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
Some works 2 Likes
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Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 4:47pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
spyder880: Some works Which bridge is this? On Abakaliki road towards the airport? |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by oneeast: 5:00pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
Cj, I am not bluffing we shall start shopping realtime in those 3 malls in the next 7months time or less from now.
Cj, I am not bluffing we shall start shopping realtime in those 3 malls in the next 7months time or less from now. cjrane: 1 Like |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by cjrane: 5:05pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
oneeast: Cj, I am not bluffing we shall start shopping realtime in those 3 malls in the next 7months time or less from now. I read this story at Obiano's 100 days in office: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=72703 Now it is 6 months in office, so something should be available since the last time abi? i want to be optimistic and believe the 7 months timeline for completion. Once I see those malls completed and shining, I will make special postcards of them and paint NL with "Anambra OOOOOOOni Baje ooo! written on my postcards |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by asha80(m): 5:06pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
one can only believe chino when he actually posts pics not all these 'i passed there and i saw massive construction','i will get you thepics' stories |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by Handsomegod(m): 5:07pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
cjrane:@CJ looolzzz@limpopo! @Spyder! Remember ur promise o! Kindly find time out of ur busy schedule and create the Anambra thread so we can launch it officially with Chino's expected pics of projectws in our Omambala cities. Enugu thread is a moving train and the trendiest topic on NL! Time to divest the brainstorming and mutual jabs. @Chino,endeavour to get close and clear pics so we can better disect the quality of work done on them.Interestingly,the PR team of 2 south eastern states(names withheld) are ardent followers of this thread since men started discussing ingrated and inclusive regional development plans for alaigbo. By d way,there was a certain enignmatic dude known as" smartalk" who created a series titled "preparing the east for post-nigeria future" and he captured all we have been discussing here even to the point of philosophical foundations of the future igbo land.d dude was so on point and I wish he will jump in as well. 7 Likes |
Re: Enugu, The Pride Of The East. by oneeast: 5:09pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
What are you talking about? This report was in July precisely 18th. Go through the report, that was when he extracted from the contractors to complete the project within 10months and this is September. cjrane: 1 Like |
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