if they come take light for night that day, to go get lamp and matches na war.

Nice one

Kobojunkie:
I believe you have the wrong Jesus Christ. You see, Jesus Christ never told you that Pastors are His messengers, and He certainly never told you to give money to His Church. That is not what He said.

Who are His apostles as far as Jesus is concerned? Every single one of His followers is an apostle as each submits to be lead/send out to accomplish the will of God as far as spreading His teaching and His Gospel. There are no special people separated by Jesus Christ for this.
As far as His Church is concerned, it comprises all those who belong to Him(His followers), and only He has authority over them. No man has any authority where Jesus Christ's followers are concerned.
Becareful that you are not deceived by spirits pretending to be from God. For one thing, the Spirit of God will never do is lie... He is the Spirit of Truth and will never send you a message that stands in contradiction to that which Jesus Christ Himself said.
My guess is by the "church" you refer to, the buildings built by men who claim to be of God. God has called on no man to build any churches for Him here on earth and He has certainly not called His followers to give money to the goals of ordinary men. These churches are government-licensed businesses that operate on the whims of those who own them, and as stated in Jeremiah 17, only God knows what is in the hearts of men.
Jesus Never said anything about giving to churches or synagogues. He called on His followers to give directly to those who He has commanded them to, and that would be to neighbors (including enemies). His words are specific about what He wants from us. So trying to introduce another angle does not work because nothing is hidden about what is meant.

Read the verses below and learn what Jesus says you should do, as far as giving to Him. Read it and see for yourself How Jesus Christ wants you to give to Him -- giving that will earn you a place in His Kingdom in the end.

He wants for you to give to the poor for by doing so, you do it to Him. He did not tell you to give it to a church or pastor somewhere. For you see, there is no mystery as far as what Jesus Christ commands us to do. The problem is why do we have a hard time obeying his exact words? Why do we instead chose to obey the words of ordinary men which run contrary to what Jesus Christ stipulated?

I castigate them because they do not speak the truth of Jesus Christ at all. If you pay attention, I also point out what it is they do wrong, pretending to do so in the name of Jesus Christ.

Well done bro.

With the way some of them defend things that are wrong, I wonder if they go to church to serve man or God. Wrong doctrines everywhere and they can't even make use of the bible they have or be patient to learn the truth and accept it.

Nephilim:
hahaha this is hilarious!! Lmao. I see where you're problem is coming from, the bolded right? So every pastors in the world doesn't speak the truth of God abi? You better repent before you let that hatred send you to hell lolz

You never knew how to actually give to Jesus Christ. You were making blind presentation. And when he finally showed you how Christ said we should give to him in Matthew 25 vs 31-40, you started laughing like what I have in my mind which I won't write. Clearly, because you have made up your mind to be disobedient and ignore the teachings of Christ, and stand with what your Pastors teach you.

Someone said he can't stand lies and those who don't teach the truth and you tag it hatred. Are you the one that will send him to hell? He has already shown you how to get your ticket to the kingdom of God. The judgement in Matthew 25 vs 31-44. Miss it and you know where the angels will dump you.

The Pastors that have turned everything to their self gain, despite their miracles, casting out demons in his name, and thinking they are winning souls for Christ, will also get their reward as it is written in Mt 7:21-23... depart from me... They're in church always and you are not. They can't save themselves and they will not save you.

Obedience to God is better than sacrifice.

Truvel:
Alright, It's Ur Choice.

Bro the things you are likely going to tell me I know. I just want to know what people have to say about this questions about the teachings of Christ that everybody is running away from.

JourneytoEL:
many went through worse in the body of Christ, some were even raped as kids by clergymen. There are weeds in every farm, so it is also in the church. Their work is to distract and frustrate you like their master who comes to steal, kill and destroy. It is our duty to stand firm, put your focus on Jesus and your goal and ensure we don't become tools of the enemy like the other pastors.

Thanks a lot dear.

Truvel:
Bookmark, Asking Alot Of Questions Is Not D Issue D Issue Is Asking D Right Questions. What Do U See Urself Doing In D Dream, Perhaps With People Or 2 People? I Av A Reason 4 Asking U Dis.

Are the questions I asked wrong? From something Christ taught? Those are the answers I need. Many who go to church are running away from it because they know they are really selfish.

Truvel:
Bookmark, What Do U See Urself Doing In D Dream? It May Give U Clue Of God's Plan 4 Ur Life.

Bro please can you answer the question I asked you up there. I have asked a lot of questions and never get answers.

JourneytoEL:
Haven't you heard that gold passes through a furnace before getting purified? Young man, why are you failing your test?. It took Joseph 12yrs of prison time after his dream before he finally became a prime minister. Jacob had to labor for more than 14yrs before setting out on his own, what of Abraham? Even Jesus had to fast for 40 days and nights before starting his earthly ministry. What am I saying? Every genuine Man of God today passed through a very tough time in their life. God uses tough times to groom you into your call. Being a minister isn't about wearing fine suits, driving a good car and going to the best bible school. You need to develop a personal relationship with God.You need to pray so hard that you can hear his voice clearly and differentiate from other voices. Can you ask a beggar for business advice? so why sharing your challenge with lukewarm christians. Go and find out how successful ministers started out. David Ibiyomie once said he and his wife were so poor when he left his job to answer his call that they slept on Mats and drank garri continuously, same with Oyedepo, Idahosa, Joyce Meyer. Do you think it was easy for Paul Enenche to leave his profession as a medical doctor and answer his call. Kenneth Hagin was bedridden for about 4yrs waiting for death when he built his faith. The list is endless. Go to NDA and see the kind of tough trainings cadet pass through to become Nigerian soldiers than imagine yourself that has been called to be a spiritual soldier battling powers and principalities. Between a businessman or a gambler, who's more likely to use a million naira better if they win it? Between an ajepako(street broughtup) and butter(posh kid) who is more likely to survive in a war torn country? God is only making you rugged for the journey ahead. What you are passing through is not your pastor's fault or that of the church, it is only God's way of training you. And, it is sad you are failing. This is just the beginning sef. A time will reach when friends and family will join and laugh at you. You'll even question your sanity. So stop complaining and put on the garment of faith, prayers and praises. He is a covenant keeping God. If he has promised to use you, so he will. I will advise you to do the following:
- Stay away from every known sin including lying and unforgiveness.
- Delete worldly songs from your phone and replace with Godly songs and messages. You can download Apostle Selman's message on Protocol of an encounter for a start. and as many messages on Holy Spirit, ministry, developing your prayer life etc.
-Look for something doing to fend for yourself unless directed otherwise. But, bring out quality 3hrs daily best at night strictly for worship, praises and prayer. Use this time to also read the Word of God with your personal jotter and pen highlighter in hand.
- Read, read and read Christian literature. If you don't have money to buy download as many available online. You can start with Kenneth Hagin, Smith Wigglesworth, John Lake etc.
- It seems you are single, making it even better. Take out time to do vigils in very quiet places like wilderness. Pray to God that you want to hear his voice. Be careful, however to avoid attracting demonic voices. Read on how to differentiate voices before doing this.
- Evangelise as led, nairaland, whatsapp, fb, ig, YouTube or on the streets.
- sow seeds to ministries that inspire you, give alot to the poor and make sacrifices in both time and money. In all ensure your intentions are pure. Never seek to be a powerful minister because of cars and jets.
Been a minister is serious business. There is a time to sow and a time to reap.Now is your time to sow, please sow good seeds to reap a bountiful harvest. The worst thing any man can do is to disobey his call. God loves you and will never forsake you. He wants you to groom yourself into an instrument he can use. Don't be silly to think God resurrected your thread for nothing. Your time is ticking. best of luck.

Thanks a for advice.

But none of these pastors where put in such state by those that call themselves men of God. Something like apostle Paul or Peter being used for putting someone down to a low state.

I can't do such a thing to anybody and still have the guts to preach Christ even when am being reminded of it. Not to talk of those that call themselves pastors. That shows the kind of heart they have.

mentored:



What I understand from what you wrote is that you need a job

Shikena

Go get yourself a job.

Not white collar ooo or blue collar ooo

Start somewhere

Sugbo?

Thanks for your advice.

Biko try and acquire knowledge or sense. Anyone that is easily accessible to you. It will help make the world a better place.

Inugo?

mentored:



Nothing to point out

It’s a stupid story.

Blaming people for your failure

Blame woman

Blame resident pastor

Blame church

Christianity Is not stupidity!!!

Engage your brain

Even Bishop said recently that he refused the prophecy of a pastor who said God told him to go to Bishop for a seed, because God did not tell him (Bishop) so.


You — WHAT DID GOD TELL YOU?

Follow follow Christian

I knew right from the first word of your comment that you know nothing at all except insults. The type that go to church every day and come back empty. Even this morning when you came to my mind, I was like the only thing you can say is anything insulting and nothing meaningful.

I knew you can't point out anything and that was why I didn't ask you. Let those that can figure out something do the job. Remember I asked you if you didn't understand what I wrote because I have dealt with a lot of people like you and they give same result. So I know your type very well.

I have already learnt to reject every lie from your bishops and pastors and follow the truth in the word of God. Nothing good comes out of them. Thanks for reminding me.

I will not reply you if you don't have anything meaningful to say.

timisquare82:
My brother i understand what you are passing through now I was once in this kind of condition so many pastors and prophets told me that i have the calling of God and that I can never secure a job with my bsc certificate unless I surrender myself to their ministries so that can train me to become a prophet some even gave me some palliatives. But i chose not to be deceived , to the Glory of God the father today am gainfully employed with that same certificate, got married, bought car, and building my house. Bros does it mean am not serving God? Even now that am gainfully employed? Wake up bro! don't be deceived and allow anybody to write the journey of your tomorrow for you.

Thanks a lot bro for your encouragement. They make things look as if the call Christ gave to all who believe in him as priests is null and void. If you don't answer a special call that you know nothing about you will suffer in the hands of God. Thank God for you and where you are now.

NoBones:
Your story does not add up.......

Please point it out.

Kobojunkie:
I will be honest with you here. These churches are businesses and are not really set up in such as way as to help those in need. so you are probably better off Finding God Himself than continuing to seek the help of these people in the way you have stated. Find God so He can help resolve your situation. Leave these world-churches to God as God is not blind to all that is done in His name.

Thanks a lot bro. It has always been God and I. It is just that whenever one wants to join them in gathering (of brethren) they become willing tools in the hands of the devil.

Truvel:
Don't Just Conclude Dat U Av Been Decieved By Winners Chapel. Again, Let Me Be Blunt & Frank With U, If Truly U Av Been Called By God & U Refuse 2 Obey D Call, Either By Ignorance Or 4 Whatever Reasons, U Would Suffer. Dat's D Truth. 4 4da Advice & Help, Ask Me In A Topic I Av Created Dat Has 2 Do With Spiritual Gifts, Ministry Or Call 4rm God.

Are you saying God is the one punishing me when I didn't do him any wrong? That he is the one that sent lying and deceitful spirit into the pastor and church leaders deceive me when I went to them for spiritual development? Was the purpose for him to send me away from the midst of wolves or to bring me closer to him? Does he take delight in punishing those who accepted Jesus as their Lord and saviour over something they knew nothing about?

mentored:





Mtchew

You can come here and spew rubbish because its Christianity.

Go to muslim thread and do same


This is my discovery on nairaland

You can not make any comment on the muslim section until you declare this


Pics ------


Go to this thread and try


https://www.nairaland.com/6011692/sultan-declares-friday-sallah-day

What business do you think I have with Muslims, or you don't you understand what I wrote?

You have failed already by not knowing the right things to say.

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Bodydialect57:
Thank God you are not Lazarus and l don't think your case is as terrible as his was.

My only advice for you here is that you seek the face of God for his help, and stop looking unto man for help. Man is limited, but God is not.

Oftentimes, when our eyes are fixated on getting a window opened for us, we may be denying ourselves of God's wide open door of blessings cos we aren't looking in that direction.


Take time to read the scriptures quoted below,
they will be of help to you.

Peace.


Psalm 108:12
Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.


Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.
7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

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Bro I never said I was trusting any man. The topic is clear and it is about how Winners Chapel pastor lied and deceived me which resulted to my heart issue.

Your advice should be on telling winners pastors and members to stop lying and deceiving people who came to church to seek to know God.

"Thank God you are not Lazarus" sounds like what Jesus taught there is just useless to every other person except for a certain Lazarus and that particular rich man. Thank God I am not a Sameritan, so everything Jesus said about the good Samaritan has nothing to do with me. Thank God I don't rear animals, so everything Jesus said about the good shepherd has nothing to do with me. Thank God Jesus' brothers died long ago, so the least of his brothers are dead and buried long time ago, i have not seen them, etc.

James 2:15-17
New International Version
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

The rich man must have read something similar to this and said, thank God Lazarus is not my brother. He should go and focus more on God and stop looking unto man for help. He is not prayerful that is why he is still like that. He must be doing something wrong that is why God is not reasoning him.

You have not answered my question about Lazarus. thank God you are not the answer.

Another one.

Why didn't God come down from heaven to help Lazarus since he knew Lazarus had a need but chose to punish the rich man?

We are pastors and church members that go to church every day but does not know what it means to be Christ-like. Christianity is not equal to prayer. Muslims and other people pray.

How many times has God come down from heaven to help you and those that you know?

Bodydialect57:
I don't think you need to speak I'll of any person at all even if they deny you of your needed help. If you have sincerely directed all the energies exerted on making your life better, focussing on God, you would have been here to give testimony and not complaining of being neglected after several appeal.

Did you join them purposely to have your needs met?

Was God not there when Lazarus was suffering and died? Was he not praying to God for him to be taken to be with the Lord? When you answer correctly I will know if my prayers are waste of time or if there are things he expects of humans to for the least of his brothers.

I developed the issue after joining them and after doing WOFBI. if the pastor had told me there won't be any welfare when I told him I had little to sustain me through WOFBI, I won't bother joining in the first place or come here to say anything.

This just like telling someone to come from come from Port Harcourt to Sokoto that you will give him transport fare. And when the person got to Sokoto, you made him believe you will do as you said. But when he exhausted the little he has left, you left him stranded. This is an illustration of what caused everything.

Kobojunkie:
But that is exactly what many of your so-called Pastors/ preachers/ prophets/ GOs/ Bishops/ Deacons/ Priests really are. The false prophets Jesus Christ warned against.
If you read the book of Matthew, you will see that in almost every chapter where the words of Jesus Christ are found are warnings against people falling for the deception that is there fellow man. He talked of the devil but 90% of the warnings uttered by Jesus Christ were against falling for the lies and deception of men who claim to come in the name of God.

Jesus Christ never said you had to attend church to fellowship with Him or the Spirit of God, nor did he say you needed to mingle with other believers in order to do His will. If Jesus Christ is who you want, you find Him by following His truth in your own life. You have heard of Him. Obey His commandments to you which you can find in the Gospels.

Thanks a lot bro. I went back after this posting this topic to see if I can make things right but another round of dribbling started. From May 2018 to late 2019, we were planning to write a letter of application that was never written. The coordinator in charge rejected the one I wrote and said she would write a more presentable one by herself. She started come today come tomorrow and I was patiently coming today and going tomorrow to avoid being blamed for not coming. Until ending of 2019 it dawned on me that I was in the midst of wicked and heartless beings that go to church. Their Pastors inclusive.

A pastor that will ignore you the more if you ask him "would he ignore you if you are Lazarus seeking his help" is more heartless than the rich man. He even blocked me when I told that I don't know why they did what they did to me.

I now understand better and those supporting them here who knew nothing about what happened are just willing tools in the hands of the devil.

A great man.

Less informed people who celebrate mediocrity and party will not know.

I have seen the deceptive under one year roads which Rochas constructed that have red mud potholes here and there, which Ihedioha has marked for reconstruction. For the first time seeing road constructed with stones filling of more than one foot thickness. That is quality and the contractors were very serious. Those that travelled from Aba to Owerri last December will attest to what I have written.

And for the one that wants to build airport in Abia state, smh for him. Abia people will continue to remain in bondage until Efcc deals with all those that have governed Abia state or another party takes over.

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tomtween1:
The Op @enthronedbyGrace spoke about Jesus multiplying in a page I can't really remember now.

I had a similar dream last year that I'll like to share too. It was so real that I wrote it down in my diary.

In this dream, I was praying for someone and Jesus appeared and was looking at me in a loving way. Then all of a sudden He (Jesus) began to multiply and fill the church. He was on my left, on my right, sitting almost on every pew in the church, he was standing at the back, in fact, he was literally everywhere and I was im awe.
I woke up amazed and confused so I wrote it down.

Note: I am not a preacher, neither am I a pastor or an outspoken person, I don't even consider my self as being spiritual, hence the confusion.


Let me share 2 more dreams I had a little boy of around 7 years old.

I slept and saw a mine in white shiny robe which I knew was Jesus. I couldn't see his face because it was so bright and so much light radiates from his face and that made it impossible for me see his face.
He took me to a place where an Empty throne was. There was no one on the throne but I heard a voice from it which I knew was father God. I can't remember everything he said to me now because I was too little to even think of writing them down. The only thing I remember Him saying to me was that, "I'll be with you always "...
Because of this dream, my parents casually told me that I'll join the alter boys but I never did.

Truly, God has been faithful despite my unfaithfullnes. I mostly tell people that bad things don't happen to me because of this dream.



Again, around that same age (7 or , I went to church in a dream and as a catholic, we mostly bow our head before entering the church the church.

so before entering the church, I bowed down my head and when I raised my head up, I saw the stature of Jesus bowing down to me too.
What amazed me was that the stature which was made of concrete became flexible enough to bow down to me.

After that dream I realised that impossibility before God is just a word; there's no impossibility in Him.

It is impossible for God to bow to or worship man. Demon's can happily possess anything that have mouth but cannot speak so as to be worshipped. God dwells in the man he created not in the cement and sand formed by man who are trying to make money out of sculpture business. God is a spirit and they that worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.

Ask God guidance and study his word. Things about and against this kind of thing is written there.

LilMissFavvy:
Sorry to interrupt you, I know your message isn't for me, but I was the one worried about the dragon issue. Psalms 91:11....... thou shall tread upon the lion and adder, the young lion and DRAGON shall thou trample under thy feet. It's like the dragon whenever mentioned in the Bible denotes evil. It is mentioned as something to trample on. It is mentioned along with adder which is a serpent. As for lion being mentioned among them, I believe it is symbolic that lion can both represent a strong friend or enemy, I say so because Jesus is atimes referred to as the ''Lion of the tribe of Judah'', (I could be wrong anyway). I know some church denominations do not recognize the book of Psalms, I myself used to avoid the Psalms and Songs of Solomon, till God began speaking using book of Psalms. thanks.

If you don't mind you can share a bit of your experience with the dragon, only if you wish, I would appreciate.

Satan did not create anything and owns nothing. Whatever God created belongs to him. If lion is of the devil, whether literal or symbolic, it will not in any way be associated with Christ.

If Satan or mamywater appears like a fish, will you stop eating fish and call it unholy or demonic? What if he appears like someone you know or like angel of light, will you condemn that person and the holy angels?

Mind you, Satan can choose to appear like anything and you will start staying away from even chicken.

Incompetence of the highest order - What you don't know you cannot handle.

Real boko haramhas been defeated.
Fake boko haram are the ones killing people and you can't protect the innocent lives lost daily.

Real Leah Shaibu has been saved.
Fake Leah Shaibu has been killed and you allowed it happen.

Real herdsmen move herdsmen move about with cattles
Fake herdsmen have killed more than 2,000 people in the last four years and you didn't make any single arrest.

Real electricity is in every household in Nigeria.
Fake households are claiming they don't have.

Real 500,000 jobs has been created in the last four years.
Fake 20 million jobs has been lost in the last four years.

Please add yours. What we are seeing in the hands of this incompetent government is too much.

This is what is likely to come: for daring to reject Ruga settlement, many will be massacred, houses burned, people driven from their home, but nobody will come to their rescue. This is the price they will pay.

They will use this to show Nigerians why they must accept Ruga.
I laugh at people who are rejoicing and praising the government for suspending Ruga. This is not the end. Mark my words and be vigilant.

Those dancing owambe over June 12 naming ceremony and were oblivious of the evil already taking place at their backyard will be the ones to be overrun even as they continue to sing praises of that man. They don't know those they are dealing with.

Ebonyigoodnews:
Sense no go kill you bro.
But hope say they will not extend the territories

Hahaha. It will be met with stiff resistance. They should just colonize those that welcomed them.

Abeymills:
Fulanis n thier cows are 1st class citizens they can kills rape kidnapp steal loot grab ur land just because of thier cows after destroying ur farm lands they rape ur wives kill d children yet they are foreigners coming into Nigeria territory to kill only blood suckers evil people still support buhari ipob are terrorists but Fulani herdsmen are good people deserve radio frequency station as if its government business I pay tax vat for my children cars etc

Please let us not cry more than the bereaved. We should encourage them to have there Rugs settlement. When they are converted to Fulaniyo, we should encourage them the more. You don't want to be seen as an enemy on something that does not concern you.

It is very unfortunate that those who claim to be sophisticated are only sophisticated on the moronic side. I didn't mention anyone's name.

SayDeeJay:


Don't worry about that just PM me here. I will get back to you.

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I sent you a pm

currentprice:


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Hello currentprice.

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Maximus69:
Are you now taken over the responsibility of his parents by teaching him what his JW Papa and Mama supposed to teach him?

What I know today about the scripture I didn't learn from my parents.