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Godmystrength:
who says the good gook is not beautiful? because she is tying a scarf and with no make up? wash off the beautiful wife's make up and dress her up like the cook and see what she will look like... do likewise for the cook and see....

Exactly!
Me I will go for the good cook. That beautiful/sexy/exposing all her breaast lady looks too much like a feminist to me

MygeeZ
Your thread is about to be derailed. If I were you I would take advice from the first twelve(12) comments you got and move on, ignore the rest. This is for your own good.

EfemenaXY:
I didn't start this. You did, with this thread of yours.

It was an observation. And you could have simply ignored it but noooo, your love for arguments got the better of you.

Is it? Obvious, I mean? I dunno about that.

Fact is: you met just one lady dressed in er...unconventional wear whilst travelling, and you used that one instance to judge all women and the West. So, if you can claim that men dressing the way those pics depict is not commonplace, the same analogy applies to women too.

Pls refer to the next set of pictures below, quite different from the ones I posted two pages ago of girls displaying their unclothedness in public. And yes there were more indecently ladies at that park but the gym woman's own was simply outrageous.

Why is it shameful for me to put up the last two? If I didn't, I'll get people like InvertedHammer saying I should focus on our people, not foreigners. So, there, you have it - a very fat black man doing his thing butt n.ak ed.

cos those are people in their natural habitat. 'Uncivilized' as the west would put it. They don't know any better. But then again you were grasping at straws so...

In your dreams, man.

Make thunder strike my keyboard if I PM you or anyone on this forum.

Of course this would be your response. Anyway, like I said, if you need my attention you know what to do.

EfemenaXY:
So many contradictory sentences in just one post!

Right, I'm not into abbreviations but I take it that by ISIS, you're referring to the Ancient Egyptian goddess of rebirth? And your MABTW means Men Are Better Than Women? I'll go with these assumptions but do correct me if you meant otherwise. Now, you claim:

~ Men don't attempt to dress seductively? Says who? Whether fat or thin as you can see from the pics below, men are also pushing the boundaries in exposing their internal whörèdom Now do you see women attacking them?

~ You say men have self-worth, yet it's these same men that can't take their eyes off women and given half the chance, would commit sèxual atrocities against women such as rapè. They have self-control yet for every encounter with the opposite sèx, they shamelessly rush to create new threads, regaling everyone unfortunate to read their posts about how they nearly lost self-control like our dear 5minsMadness.

~ If men are really that much better, more in control of themselves, have more self-worth than women, then why should women worry about being attacked by these same men, simply because of what they decide to wear?

~ Men aren't half as sèxy as women (you got that bit right) and you say they can't degrade themselves to be used by musicians? Strippers nko? Nor be men dey do am pas for hen nights?

Even man dey follow woman drag buttcrack.

Yeah, I can "see" just how much MABTW. Wharra a joke.

Jeeeez, you love to argue. Its obvious those pictures you put on display are not commonplace dressing for men anywhere, not like the skimpily clad females we see all over the place. No man in his right mind would be caught dead wearing pics 1,2 or 3 in public and the last two pictures are obviously African folk having an innocent time. Shame on you for putting the last two!

And while we are at it dear, pls stop mentioning my name, I know you crave my attention but I've had a really long day and am dead tired. PM me instead OK? Thanks dear.

InvertedHammer:
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LOL. Welcome to my world.

carefreewannabe' s case is out of this world. She is not even pretending to make sense.

Just ignore her.

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I don't think she n her cronies really mean what they type. (At least i hope not). I think they simply enjoy winning arguments, no matter how absurd or illogical or emotion laden their points sound.

Mondisweets:
Oh wow i didnt know theft can ever have a good excuse. Even if your wallet is left in the open, it can never ever serve as a good excuse to steal it. Its really sad that we keep producing African men with such a mentality. Raising feeble excuses for committing crime.

My point being whether its rape of a child or an older female. Rape is this rape and it can never in anyway be justified!
Learn something called self-control!

Ok.

carefreewannabe:
According to you countries such as India should have very low r*ape rates, right?
See logic.

According to you, I should wear a hijab because there are sickos out there, right?
See logic.

According to you, it is my fault that sickos cannot control themselves, right?
See logic.

According to you, there must have been many ra*pes in tribes, in which women used to or still do not cover their br*easts, right?
See logic.

And this right here is you being illogical.

(Sighs and uncrosses fingers.)

[quote author=Mondisweets post=27513897]rape has never had anything to do with what a woman is or is not wearing,[/qoute]
Yeah, keep believing the lie sister.

thats what rapists always want to use as an excuse. Shifting the blame and putting it on the next person.

Did it ever occur to you that they always say that because it is the truth?

U get children under 5yrs being raped.

These people are in a special group. They are a set of adults attracted sexually to children. They are called pedophiles. A pedophile is not interested in raping an adult even if he has the chance. Its an entirely different ballgame and yes it is a psychiatric problem.

It clearly never has anything to do with how a person is dressed. It has everything to do with someone who is sick in the head and doesnt have self-control whatsoever!

This is you ranting and being emotional. Rrape is a terrible physical and psychological crime, yes. We shouldnt blame those being raped, ok.

But since it is such a horrible experience isn't it better that the woman does all in her power to avoid being a victim of such a heinous crime? If you were given certain safety precautions to take to avoid being raped, wouldn't you do it? If you knew walking down a dark alley was more likely to get you raped, wouldn't you avoid the alley at night? If you knew being decently dressed would reduce your chance of being sexyalIy molested then wouldn't you do it for your peace of mind?

Trying to justify rape because of what someone was putting on it just like a thief justifying stealing someone's wallet because he is hungry and hasnt had anything to eat all day.

Well, for a thief , that's a pretty good excuse. However a person that leaves his wallet hanging out of his pocket carelessly has a higher probability of being robbed. Thanks for proving my point.

EfemenaXY:
Durrttyy man.

Ever heard the expression "to keep one's mouth zipped"? As per to make NO comments?

But we BOTH know that's not what you meant now don't we?

As long as you remember to keep it zipped. And I mean this in every sense of that word

EfemenaXY:
Good boy.

As long as you remember to keep it zipped. And I mean this in every sense of that word.

There you go again
Two quotes haven't gone by and you are already referring to my crotch
Efemenaaaaaa
Willy whipping v0yeur! I hail ma!

And for those clamouring for 'freedom of dressing' please feel free to take a cue from these ladies exhibiting their 'freedom'.

Really I don't know why I was complaining in the first place, its a free world, afterall

EfemenaXY:
C'mon sharrap there jor! Just stick to the sidelines and be a good boy, okay?

Oh I intend to my dear. I only chip in when its absolutely necessary

carefreewannabe:
You have conducted a research, interesting, can you share it with me, please?

Its simple logic really. You can reason with your brain without resorting to Google. Hopefully.

A man is aroused to a woman's body; the more of her he sees, the more sexually aroused he is. That arousal increases manifold while viewing areas like the woman's breasts, nippIes , groin and buttocks. Its basic biology and what drives men to have sex with women and thus propagate the species. Women too are drawn to areas of a man's body like facial hair, muscle, baritone voice etc etc. Its basic biology.

It only stands to reason then that the more a woman exposes her 'private regions' the more men around her are going to get aroused. Now in a sane society those men have to deal with their sexuaI urges, they have to have the 'self control' you ladies so often lack in your indecent dressing but are quick to throw in men's faces. So the men control themselves and try to meet your eyes while talking with you instead of looking down at your nippIes.

Unfortunately, not all men have this self control. Not all men are gentlemen. So some of these men will like to act on thier urges. Since society frowns on forced sex, they stalk their prey and act out these urges when they get the females alone. They are called rapists.

Rapists exist in every society. They are among Christians and Moslems alike. However, a woman who exposes her 'private regions' is more likely to ellicit male sexuaI arousal at a higher frequency than a woman who is properly covered. It doesn't mean the woman who is properly covered will never get raped but the probability of it happening is much less than for a woman who for instance wears a bikini to work everyday.

In fact this is the main reason Arab females wear hijabs. To cover thier privates and appear decent. It is more of a religious thing than, say, an adaptive habit.

Once again, someone with logic on their side should be able to follow this simple line of reasoning. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Be reassured I will do whatever I want.

No you won't. Not really. You are only typing that to feel good. No matter how hot you are right now you won't go to work stark naked although it would be more comfortable to do so. Just saying.

carefreewannabe:
Poor woman. Really sad.




5minsmadness and InvertedHammer, how comes her hijab did not protect her?

Protect her from what exactly? Being raped? Women that wear hijabs get raped yes, but skimpily clad women get raped more. Its simple logic.


But of course your response to this post isn't going to be logical so what's the point. Walk around naked if you like. No one will rape you. Hopefully.

pickabeau1:
According to your thread the consensus is that there is nothing like irresponsible dressing

So that means there is no issue.. No blame

All izz well

And do.you know the funny thing? The same set of people that were falling over themselves to defend women's freedom of indecent dressing came out to condemn a woman for dressing indecently to her wedding! The inconsistencies and iodicisms on Nairaland is amazing!



https://www.nairaland.com/1967160/outfit-made-grooms-parent-walk#27458511

InvertedHammer:
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I believe you are not in kindergarten.

I cannot spell everything out for you.

You keep pretending that you don't get the point by playing with lexical semantics...I have no time for unbridled logomachy.

Next thing may be you asking me to un.dress a lady to show you what a clitor1s looks like.



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It looks like someone finally lost his patience

Ourselves.
We see indecency and say nothing about it.
When we keep silent we give consent.
We say its nobody's business.
Well, one day it will be everybody's business.


We will reap the consequences.

Dcmg:
If i see that kind woman i for happy o.But all the ones i encounter are desperados.They dnt av a life,they believe you should give them attention 24/7
Like seriously,where are all the independent ladies when you need them?
I only see them shouting on internet,but i'v not met any physically.

Interesting views from people all around. Some with good levels of understanding, others with amazingly low IQs. Oh well, que sera sera.

bukatyne:
I think it is inappropriate too except one is going for a sport function in a group but it is not indecent.

It is however inappropriate and indecent to wear those stretchy butt track revealing types.

It was exceedingly stretchy and exceedingly revealing.
But trust Nairaland to turn everything upsidedown.

carefreewannabe:
Just in case you have missed it the OP thinks that it is inappropriate to wear track suits on journeys, any track suits.

Dont misquote me. I said gym suits, not track suits. I wouldn't have created an entire thread if she were half-decently dressed.

carefreewannabe:
... or like this ...

https://i.imgur.com/NVixk2j.jpg


Either way it is about taste and elegance and not about cultural differences.

I rest my case.

carefreewannabe:
It is your logic.
You are saying that wearing a made in the West track suit corrodes our morality.

No no no, you are getting me all wrong.
I am saying our ladies now wear indecent clothing without shame. And the 'without shame' part comes from westernization.

i.e previously someone would have been able to correct her or at least she would have cautioned herself, but nowadays she would wear it knowing fully well how openly indecent it is but use phrases like 'haters gon' hate', 'its my body, I can do with it as I please', its none of your business' , 'its modern/western dressing-get with the program' etc to wave away the fact that she isn't properly dressed.

EfemenaXY:
Who said so? Do they not still dress like that for special ceremonies? Even in your village? Afterall, you did state in your earlier post that it still happens in the [size=15pt]remote[/size] parts of your village, yes?

Remote being the operative word! And like you said special ceremonies! Or wait o...Em, efemena talk true. When last did you visit Nigeria? You don't think we still dress with leaves do you?

You seem to have some fixation with whites. Does the Nigerian entertainment industry not do exactly the same? Are they forced to do so with a gun held to their heads? If people like you stop buying papers like the PUNCH to browse at the top.le.ss page 3 ladies on display, wouldn't that discourage the industry from indulging in "indecency" as you so eloquently put it? And what has this got to do with the poor woman you couldn't take your eyes off, at the bus stop?

I'm not aware the Punch newspapers has topIess nudes. Will definitely check it out Thanks!

But I'm quite sure they must have copied it from their counterparts abroad!

I don't really watch Nigerian home videos either. So...
But if they are doing it they are most probably copying their western counterparts too.

But they're still in existence all the same - just like the naked nub.ile girls in your village.

Deep sigh.

You brought up the example of male and females bathing together at your village stream - not me. Does both sexes bathing together not constitute communal bathing? If not, then kindly educate me pls. [quote]I brought up communal bathing to explain that in the past men could view fully grown women naked and see it as normal but westernization changed all that. It is no longer normal to see a grown woman nakeeed and so anyone giving an example of it being how we used to be in the past is giving a moot point.





[quote]Your opinion means nothing to her. It didn't stop her from going about her business, neither did it make her lose a wink of sleep that night, did it? So you obviously are the one with the problem and you therefore need to address your se.xu.a.l frustrations, rather than lash out at unsuspecting women, 5minsmadness.

It didn't because I said nothing. I chose rather to air my views anonymously on a public forum. Much better than cautioning/embarrassing her in public. I hope she reads this and at least realises not everyone was OK with her choice of clothing(or lack thereof). If anything I have spoken my mind against what I regarded as blatant lewdness and indecency on her part. Silence means consent and I am NOT consenting to indecent dressing.

Sure, I've mentioned this thing before because it's something men like you did in the past, still do, and would most likely continue to do. I don't see anyone critizing you lot for whipping and shaking your third leg in public for all to see. You lot proudly show your na.kedn.ess when you sight a tree by the roadside, and yet, you have the boldness to come down heavy on a lady that was completely covered up with her vitals all under wraps.

So who's being hypocritical here?

And for what it's worth, I find the act of a man shaking out his Will.y absolutely disgusting, contrary to what you think.

Would you like to see men criticized for whipping out their Willy's in public? Does it bother you that much? Then speak up about it!

Nah, I know when someone is writing about what he/she finds disgusting and what he/she secretly loves. I can tell. You find pleasure in the act of guys whipping out their Willy's, don't you? It touches you somewhere in your core so much that you keep obsessing about it. I suspect you are a v0yeur at heart my dear! Don't worry, its nothing to be ashamed of, let it out, its a free world afterall

carefreewannabe:
You are a hypocrite to claim that Nigerians have higher moral standards than other nations.

Dafuq? When did I say that?

Do you wear Adidas, Nike, Vuitton, Dolce&Gabana, Hilfiger, Diesel & co?

Bahahahahahaahahha. In this case your trap caught nothing because NO I DONT! I have never been a fashion person.
Having said that, what has that got to do with anything for goodness sake? So I should watch p0rn and walk nakid because I use things westerners invented? What kind of illogical reasoning is that? Why don't you post unclad pictures of yourself online or make a sextape since you use a phone, an invention of the white man? After all, western ladies do it all the time.

Me, I am not a zombie. I have the intelligence to know right from wrong and chose that which will benefit me while discarding as rubbish that which will not. Just because you wear dolce and gabbana doesnt mean you should make the westerners your god.

EfemenaXY:
Er...you were og.li.ng all the same.

Er...no I wasn't. I have no appetite for celulite infested asses.

Its a gym workout suit. You know, the kind new-yorkers wear, extremely fitted and very tough but light fabric that leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination. Absolutely nothing. Her buttcrack is [size=15pt]very[/size] visible and her gluteus is covered in celulite as evidenced by the subtle bumps on her posterior. The front...OK I tried really hard not to look but curiosity got the better of me and yep; the cameltoe was on easy display for all to see. The top was better off, or maybe because I'm used to seeing skimpy tops I don't really know

VERY being the operative word. And the mention of 'subtle bumps' from her celulite is supposed to portray to your mind just how tight the outfit was. There was no need to oogle anything, she might as well have put herself on a walkway with shining lights everywhere and expose her wares. You'd have to be completely blind not to have seen her! Such a person is obviously seeking attention, not expressing her freedom.

Seems pretty obvious that you had a proper eyeful, and in quite a rude, lewid, way too.

You obviously have little or no respect for women. None at all. Not with the way you blatantly lusted after her the way you did. Probably turned you on too...

I think it turns you on to imagine men turned on by staring at women. You've used this line of attack before, when accusing a guy of lusting after a lactating mother who opened her breaasts in the full glare of the church all in the name of breastfeeding.

Tough luck. Won't work on me.

@carefreewannabe

Yes, the OP.

He claimed that Westerners corrupt African culture by making African women expose too much of their bodies when it was his culture that was more tolerant of na*kedness for a much longer period of time

WAS being the active verb here. It is no longer the norm for Africans to go about naked. Do that and you risk being seen as a lunatic(like the lady of this morning). There was no way I was being hypocritical there.

Hypocrisy
behaviour in which somebody pretends to have moral standards or opinions that they do not actually have

Yes I have moral standards and opinions. No pretense there. And I will not be made to shut up because it is not 'modern' to speak up. What is bad is bad. The west has brought bad moral influences and it needs to stop.

EfemenaXY:


Gathering ammunition, more like.

Not at all. Anyone who passed the lagos-ore route this morning will tell you the hell they went through.

EfemenaXY:
^^ There's nothing hypocritical about what we've been saying all along.




Well, given the choice, I know which I'll prefer when presented with either of these clothes as worn by the The Dahoman Captive Egbado Omoba (from the Yewa clan of the Yoruba tribe) renamed: Sarah Forbes Bonetta - Queen Victoria's black goddaughter (1851):

***Sorry I won't be pasting the link here as the spambot has a nasty habit of banning unceremoniously - but a google search of the names will pull up the relevant pages...***

My choice? 1^st pic. It's a no contest hands-down win!

So you are saying as you are fully grown you will choose to wear the first picture that exposes your left braest? Efemena! Pics or you are talking dust!

SAMBARRY:
You dey mind am.oniraru okunrin.gbeborun.if the place he was going to was really important, he won't have time noticing what a lady was wearing let alone scrutinise the outfit. Na their type dey strip woman nakid for mind.jeez!



what a perv

oniraru okunrin.gbeborun.
Because you ladies think your nakldness is so important. Mtcheeeeew!