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Rexology:
INEC 'Discounted' APC votes to arrive at the new valid votes cast.

Yes, what do you expect before?

Discounted APC votes then add APC votes to invalid votes. That has been the argument. The spread calculation involves valid and invalid votes.

Can you point their calculation?

I did the math myself and PDP won.

The spread is to follow LG by LG. Take the new winner PDP scores and divide it by Total votes cast (including Invalid where APCs votes are). Multiply by 100 to make it percentile. The result must be at least 25% in 10 out of 14 LG of Zamfara. From my math, PDP passed the spread to about 12 LG.

The Twitter screen shot you posted means you never even understood my argument.

Rexology:
Bros howfar? Hope you have read the latest from INEC? you were very WRONG.

Did INEC nullify the APC votes?

Pls quote specifics where i was wrong.

Before INEC came up with this press conference, i wrote severally that PDP will be declared because out of 14 LGAs PDP had 25% of total votes cast in more than 10LGAs. The magic number was 5 but PDP had enough. My argument is about the total votes cast. Tell me what INEC said about it.

PaChukwudi44:
There is nothing like indirectly.Stop speaking rubbish.Only valid votes will be taken into account in declaring a winner

I am bookmarking this statement, since you are beyond redemption. You will be ashamed of yourself soon.

For starters, keep this one in memory

PaChukwudi44:
They will go to court and lose as usual.Void votes do noy count in elections.

BTW emotions has no place in law

I wont forget your ignorance in a bit. Last time, i called you out after you argued upandan about the CJN and you fell flat. Now you are still arguing blindly as usual.

Unfortunately, it is you who is using emotions.

PaChukwudi44:
You are the dumb one.Whether you call it void,invalid,wasted or deleted votes they all mean the same thing.There are recognized by the electoral act as having no input in the election and are thus not counted in declaring a winner

There are counted as spread which is indirectly. Are you still arguing that?

PaChukwudi44:
Is my name a northern name?

Why you dey chew onions with another persons mouth?

ihatesycophant:
I tell you my brother. Some of them cannot even think straight again because of political difference. I don't blame them, I blame the type of system we are running. They're even terming votes for APC as wasted and non-existence. Meaning, those citizens of Zamfara state that voted for APC have no right to vote in the first place by their analogy. These people are pathetic and need deliverance.

Leave them, INEC would not make that mistake if not, na court cases go start till thy kingdom come.

PaChukwudi44:
Dont be so sure northeners will be moving to the PDP in 2023

Are you 1

PaChukwudi44:
Well the votes have been deleted by the supreme court.Go ahead and do your worst

Are you this dumb?

Electoral law does not recognize any deleted vote

Its either a valid or invalid vote.

lanrecisse30:
you know in first instant APC is not eligible to participate in the General election. That's what supreme Court is saying, exactly like that of Rivers.

Even if APC should not be on the ballot, AGREED, the votes of Zamfarans that voted APC cannot be deleted. The only way not to disenfranchise them is to place them on invalid list. They are considered to have voted but does not count for any party.

OGHENAOGIE:
which ever way pdp will still win...Wat ll happen shd be a rerun...and even if Apc tries to sponsor another person it ll fall flat...d parties involved shd learn dier lessons and move on and some youths shd use dier head make dem no die for politicians...mattawale was in apc before today im de pdp...no one knows wee im go enta tommoro...

No one doubts that.

But i believe if the rerun should take place today, PDP will lose. You never underestimate the power of the voters. Any party can be mobilized to win elections if given time, resources and credibility.

Personally, i feel the that in the end Justice was done however at the expense of true democracy where majority carries the day. Just like Kogi where Kogites are disappointed in their accidental governor, Zamfarans would also sit and look how their mandate was taken by rule of law.

Funny enough, i am sure before 2023, the new PDP governor would have gone back to APC to solidify his chances.

ihatesycophant:
You're olodo, was it the APC that voted or the people of Zamfara. The votes cast by people of Zamfara for APC cannot be cancelled from the main votes by your analogy, their votes still part of vote cast but does not benefit APC.
Think like someone that passed through school.

Walahi, the comments on this thread shows how the Nigerian educational system has failed.

Those APC votes are votes of Nigerians which is their right. No court can take it from them. Those votes were taken away from APC and placed in an invalid box but they count among the total votes cast. These guys cannot use common sense.

When INEC comes with the official position, they will start shouting INEC is biased. Me i tire for the educated illiterates on Nairaland.

DabuIIIT:
Shut up,thank you

Children of nowadays

bbxxxxxx:
Full result of Zamfara governorship election

1] Bakura LGA
PDP – 15,331 (87%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 17,540.

2] Anka LGA
PDP – 8,292 (77%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 10,743.

3] Gummi LGA
PDP – 13,418 (78%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 17,198

4] Bukkuyum LGA
PDP – 12,010 (74%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 16,216

5] Maradun LGA
PDP – 18,868 (88%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 21,477

6] Zurmi LGA
PDP – 13,194 (68%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 19,431

7] Talata Mafara LGA
PDP – 12,691 (71%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 17,875

8] Bungudu LGA
PDP – 18,379 (56%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 32,892

9] Kaura Namoda LGA
PDP – 14,647 (79%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 18,439

10] Birnin Magaji LGA
PDP – 7,880 (79%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 9,974

11] Gusau LGA
PDP – 22,441 (60%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 37,269

12] Maru LGA
PDP – 9,830 (39%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 25,325

13] Shinkafi LGA
PDP – 5,707 (60%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 9,577

14] Tsafe LGA
PDP – 16,764 (48%)
Reversed Accreditated Votes – 34,747

Mr Bello Matawalle of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), who scored 189,452 votes, is now presumed winner of the election courtesy of the APC vs APC Supreme Court Judgement.

What the f is reversed accredited votes?

TGM2015:
Invalid or wasted votes?
Supreme Court holds that all votes casted for APC are wasted votes and not invalid votes. So, let us how INEC will interpret the wasted votes and "the requisite spread" for the second highest political party with valid votes.

In electoral law, there is nothing like wasted votes. The legal term is invalid or rejected votes.

dizon:
All votes cast for APC automatically become invalid votes so u have to subtract them from the number of valid votes

True for the invalidity of APC votes.

But the electoral law says the winner must have a simple majority as well as have a 25% of total votes cast in 2/3rds of the LGA.

The problem is that APC's invalid votes count in the total votes cast. This is what INEC will analyze in their meeting.

Zamfara has 13 LGAs and 2/3rds is 9 LGAs. So PDP must have wont 25% of the total votes cast in 9 LGAs to qualify as a win, else a rerun must be done.

For example for an LG
APC 100k
PDP 20k
Other parties 5k
Invalid 1k
Total votes cast 126k

With the judgement

PDP 20k
Other parties 5k
Invalid 101k
Total votes cast 126k
Now the PDP must win 25% so 20/126=15.87%

At 15%, PDP didn't win. If up to 5 LGA has result like this, a rerun will be held without APC.

The problem if PDP doesn't scale through, there will be no governor on May 29th which is 4 days away. There is no Governor, no deputy, no speaker which are the line of succession. INEC cannot conduct a rerun in time and there cant be a vacuum in that office, the result is a Lacuna.

PaChukwudi44:
When a vote is nullified it does not count and has no legal significance

No one, can nullify a single vote as long as you are a Nigerian and above the voting age of 18, you have a PVC and you showed up at the specified voting time. It is a right enshrined in the Constitution and every finger that touches a ballot will count in the total votes cast. Your vote can only be valid or invalid and both will count in total votes cast.

I repeat, no one can nullify a vote. A vote is either valid or invalid.

It will be disenfranchisement to nullify a vote and unconstitutional for any court to do that unless you are below 18 or not a Nigerian.

Get your facts right PaChukwudi44

PaChukwudi44:
An invalid vote is not counted as votes cast Stop making a fool of yourself

You wont fail to disappoint.

You moniker is associated with falsehood and strong arguments based on either biased opinions or complete lies.

Take this result below for instance. Taking Ondo, can you explain why if you total APC, PDP and other parties votes you get 555,994 votes but the total votes cast is 582,827. What acoounts for the difference?

In fact, what is an invalid votes column doing there.

I am dissappointed that a person as popular as you in the politics section dont know this basic fact that invalid votes is a vote count among the total votes cast. It means you have been misleading alot of young and naive Nairalanders who see your arguments as reasonable.

Buckubuck:
Your initial post seemed to imply that invalidated votes form part of 25% required by the law. That is what I'm referring to. 25% of valid votes is what the constitution requires, not 25% of total votes. The issue of valid or invalid votes occur when there's a need to determine if the number of invalid votes is larger than the margin of victory. In this case, this will not be considered because the votes invalidated by the courts are no longer counted as part of total votes. Again, check Osun 2010 judgement for more info

Cause you didn't read it.

Am surprised that you have decided to act knowledgeable but still isnt.

The bolded is a big lie.

Look below.

An invalid vote is also a vote cast.

Please learn.

Buckubuck:
Get information before you contribute on a public forum. The candidates are declared based on total VALID votes not just votes. Go back and watch the video of inec issuing certificate of returns. Nobody considers invalid votes in declaring winners. The invalid votes are to account for total accredited voters statistics to show no mago mago. Understand?

Very funny.

You obviously have seen your mistake and have changed the goal post.

Are you insinuating i said invalids vote count for the winner? If i didnt say that then what did you contest in my initial comment?

Read yours again

Buckubuck:
All this ur long grammar. How do you declare something invalid and come back to say it counts? Which village you for com self?

I ask you again, what are invalid votes done with?

Thrown away?

Discarded?

Deleted?

Or given to PDP?

You dont seem to know by the quote above.

emmasege:
You still didn't get it that APC votes were null and void.

The new results will be based on how many non-APC votes, and it doesn't matter how small it is. Your guess is as good as mine that PDP will score not less than 90% of non-APC votes.

This means Zamfara House of Assembly could be homogenously PDP. In the same vein, PDP will gain three more senators and more members in NASS.

S'oro mi understand e?

APC is extinct in Zamfara, at least for the next 4 years. So, live with that reality.

Watch and see, by 2023, 90% of all the PDP members that will benefit from the judgement would not be in PDP.

Buckubuck:
All this ur long grammar. How do you declare something invalid and come back to say it counts? Which village you for com self?

How old are you?

Have you ever seen an election result?

Are invalid votes counted among total votes cast or not?

Your village people are calling you back home for not knowing anything.

Rexology:
The Election in Zamfara State was between APC and PDP. If you remove APC vote,it means that anything LGA PDP scored only 500 votes,that 500 votes can constitute up to 70% or more of the total vote cast in that LGA.

You cannot classify APC votes as invalid because those votes were NEVER casted in the first place

What you are talking about is disenfranchisement. Those people who voted APC actually voted. That they voted a party that is disqualified makes their vote invalid just like if you vote twice on the same ballot. Those votes still count and cannot count for PDP or any other party. They cannot be deleted either, they have only been declared invalid. The total number of votes cast in the election cannot change.

xpool:
Required spread index when APC was not supposed to contest at all.
Their votes are for the second runner up .

Very dumb of you to say.

APC votes become invalid.

tuniski:
PDP met the constitutional requirements as emphasized by the supreme court. The valid votes across the entire offices contested are now over 90% pdp's.

My first thought was to insult you but it is not necessary if you find the right path.

How can PDP win 90% when the main elections was not even the case supreme court ruled. All APC votes is null and void so PDP still have what it got.

To win governor you must have a simple majority plus must have won at least 25% of the votes cast in two 3rds of the local governments in the state. Invalid votes count here. If for example total votes cast is 100million and apc won 50million votes, PDP 45 million, other parties 4million and invalid 1million. With the judgement, invalid becomes 51million. So PDP win on one condition, that they won 25% votes of 2/3rd of the local governments. That is if there are 10 LGA, they must have 25% in 8 LGAs. If they dont have 25% in 3 LGAs, they wont be declared winner.

My problem is that there will be a constitutional lacuna by May 29 which is 5 days away. There will be no governor elect and the tenure of the sitting governor will expire in 5 days. The line of succession is Governor, Deputy, and speaker. None of them is available on May 29th unless PDP qualifies. What will happen if PDP doesnt?

The fact that she cheated isnt a big deal but the fact that she did repeatedly is the problem.

If you dont trust her not to cheat, you should never consider marrying her.

Lucky her she wasn't born in Nigeria. She would have been relegated to begging for alms.

keepingmum:
dear house, my project is at almost at the stage of ceiling - and i am VERY concerned to read few pages previously that ASBESTOS is still been used in construction, especially with the confirmed links to Lung cancer, in a country that has very poor and inadequate medical facilities.

The fact that there are people even justifying the use of it sends shivers down my spine.......anyway, please whats the name and the other names its called so that when/if my guys mentions something remotely similar i can start to shout and scream, please, help me with it
WHere is this asbestos, almost asbestos, mixture asbestos ingriedient, whatever asbestos family member needed cos i clearly need to on alert when we get to that phase

thank you

You should make an effort to understand.

Asbestos products have been banned in Nigeria and most parts of the world. It means production of asbestos based products has seized long ago so whatever product that had asbestos as a constituent of the product has replaced the material with another suitable option.

In this case, asbestos ceiling and roofing sheets. Asbestos fibre in these sheets serve the purpose of reinforcement. The old asbestos sheets used to be majorly cement-asbestos fibre which is the binder-reinforcement bond. The new sheets has asbestos fibre replaced with cellulose fibre. The new sheets is now cement-cellulose fibre which is the same arrange as before, binder-reinforcement.

People still call it asbestos cos it still physically resembles the old asbestos which actually has the same major constituent, cement.

If i am to recommend to a client this ceiling or roofing sheet, if i say cellulose fibre, he will demand for explanation but if i say asbestos, he knows exactly what it is only that there is no more asbestos.

Its like calling all magerine blue band or all toothpaste maclean or all aerosol insecticide sheltox or all seasoning cubes maggi or all cotina shoes bata. Nigerians are fond of that. We have not stopped calling NEPA or PHCN even though they are both defunct. Just know at the back of you head that new asbestos ceiling has no asbestos in it.

The only asbestos you will find are the pre existing houses with asbestos ceiling or roofing. Inspite of their existence they are not dangerous to live in the house until saw or break it in a way such that the asbestos becomes like dust and you inhale the dust, thats where it is dangerous.

KenOne:
Justice Bulkachuwa husband was a PDP member and house of rep.member representing Bauchi under PDP in 2003-2011 and same Bulkachuwa was presiding over opposition parties cases.

Justice Mary Odili a PDP staunch member's wife sat on Rivers APC matter in 2015 that looked into relocation of tribunal to Abuja.

Mary Odili sat on a matter in a case between Ali Modu Sherrif PDP faction and Wike's PDP faction, and Wike happens to be Peter Odili's boy same faction of PDP with Wike and Peter Odili is the husband of Justice Mary Odili.

Justice Anwuri Chikere is the wife of Hon Ken Chikere a PDP member representing Port Harcourt federal constitutency 2 presides over APC matters.

Hon Austin Opara former deputy speaker house of rep. and Wike main man a PDP member, his wife is a judge in Rivers and havie been presiding on matters involving APC members.

Wike's wife is a judge and presides on APC members case in Rivers.

Am dissappointed in PDP walahi.

They are showing all signs of a defeated, defective and demolished party.

They resort to using very very cheap propaganda which in their minds worked for the APC but is now working against them.

Ayemileto:
Any Update?

No, they stiil charge same thing.

Johnsonkeyz2019:
Just changed my lower all Bushings and front Driver side and linkages for smoother driving
Honda Accord DC

But my steering still turns to driver side while driving but not like before I changed those stuffs

[/b]So now I guess the remaining thing to touch is Tyres[b] coz I v done alignment after changing those parts on the hand but it still slides to the left but not like before when it pulls itself and u feel it while holding the wheel then

So I'm I right with my Conclusion?

Yes tires would tilt you one side if the brand is not the same or if one is worn more than the other.

Politicowizard:
I can sense a party laying serious ambush

Actually, you are disappointed that they would not do as you expected