₦airaland Forum

funmisticqueen:
you still didn't point out where i insulted you. you are just here writing epistles that make no sense and still barking up irrelevancies like a rabid dog

I just pity those unfortunate ones dat would subject themselves to ur type who are so full of themselves and cannot conduct themselves with decorum. I do not need to insult you to make my point. Those who have no meaningful thing to say only have insults as their way of escape. Not everyone on social media is a tout. I might be barking like a rabid dog but this barking has taken me to places beyond your imagination....

funmisticqueen:
AlphaT1 let me demonstrate to you what i know will happen once JOHESU members are given consultancy. i saw this message written from a JOHESU group page.

*JOHESU.COM Discussions Activity*

*Need to brace up to do the NMAs jobs whenever they are on strike*

Dr Kelly Nwagha fpsn

11:48AM in General News & Information

We heard that the doctors are doing everyone's job at some hospitals. We should not worry as they have thrown the first stone. We will wait for them. Whenever they go on strike, we will also do their duties, which we are very capable of executing and excellently too, thanks to Pharm D. and consultancy status in other professional cadre, and refer surgical cases only to friendly healthcare facilities. If patent Medicines vendors prescribes and treats patients in their localities and make their money to build 1,2,3,4 attorney buildings, the Pharmacists are there to consult, prescribe and treat with better medicines as the only experts on medicines. The Optometrists are there to handle all eye challenges. The nurses would have to add to their curriculum Nurse practitioners course to enable them prescribe medications for patients. The Laboratory scientists are always there to assist with the diagnosis. The Radiographers are there as well. What s it that we don't have. The Physiotherapists nko? All on our side. Dental technicians are d people that do the work of the dentists and even do it better. Its only Surgical procedure only That we will refer as I said earlier. Period.

*copied*

Quoting someone who is making no reasonable point is no demonstration of any fact. Consultancy cadre for JOHESU has been in practice in Niger state for more than three years now and there has been no single case of patient confusion or a JOHESite pretending to be a doctor. I have well travelled and I have seen what is obtainable in other climes, i do not argue based on sentiment. Again, it's the govt dat would design d job description for d cadre and not JOHESU so an opinion of a sentimental JOHESite is a no demonstration of fact Likewise a sentimental opinion of a NMA member. These are mere ego-rooted opinions. Just like dat bias JOHESite opined that they can do d work of doctors, the same goes for the doctors who also say they can do the job of others-these kinds of myopic reasoning are found only in Nigeria and that is why we are where we are today with the worst health indices in the world. The healthcare system cannot improve with these kinds of stange practice alien to international best practice. I hope you are not one of those doctors that believe they are all-knowing and above errors/mistakes (it will limit ur growth if you are one). A humble house officer, for instance learns faster than those arrogant ones. Where you are not so sure of certain dosage, dosage form, strength or brand, the pharmacist is there to quickly help out. My cousin (F) who is asthmatic was prescribed cocodamol by a consultant O&G but on getting to d pharmacy, d pharmacist spotted ventolin inhaler and cocodamol tab on same prescription, he called d attention of the consultant who eventually changed it to celebrex. No human is all-knowing and no human is above errors no matter how intelligent you are, and committing an error does not reduce your intelligence. Two good heads are surely better than one. Team work gives better outcome, makes the work easier, faster and less stressful. This is d norm in saner climes.
You cannot continue to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.
This was the kind of strange argument that NMA had put forward for years suppressing others to the rank of deputy director, no non-medical doctor was allowed to get to the peak of his/her career (director) that if you have other directors (like director of nursing services, director of pharm. services etc) it will confuse the patient with the Medical Director. JOHESU went to court and won the case just few yrs ago, now you have these directors in the hospitals, have you ever heard of patient being confused or any of the directors pretending to be the Medical Director?
You are probably not a civil servant, you would understand that there is almost no way that a pharmacist, for instance, would pretend to be a doctor in a public hospital setting and get away with it easily. Where is he going to consult from, his office? And with which folder? How is he going to admit? How is he going to get paid? How would he charge the patient? Even a first time patient would ask the gatemen where to go first not to talk of regular patients that know the procedure very well.
You mentioned rural settings, professions like MLS, pharmacist etc do not operate at primary healthcare level, you find them from secondary level (like general hospitals) which is also very organized with SOPs.

Just so you know, I have a postgraduate diploma in Leadership and Management in Health (USA) so I am not here to fight JOHESU vs NMA fight. If you need to know the standard world over, I would give you d design.

[quote author=funmisticqueen post=67912373]you are obviously not living in nigeria, you are ignoring the elephant in the room that other healthcare workers are pretending to be doctors and patients are still dying. So yes, it is affecting patient care. You do not argue objectively at all. i am done. Good day[/quote
Pls don't quote me again, you sure can't communicate effectively without insulting people. you are a female and yet so quick to insult, it's very bad....work on ur attitude as you relate with others.

funmisticqueen:
it doesnt but it butresses the point that a patient can assume a nurse is a doctor, and when that happens, espcially in the rural setting, quack practices can take place. i have personally heard a patient say a doctor gave his son 'blood transfusion' at home. only to find out that the blood in question was probably what i think was iron sucrose or iron dextran in normal saline solution. He finally presented his son to hospital in hypovolaemic shock due to ruptured viscus and it was an auxillary nurse that gave it

There are quacks everywhere and in every profession. The case of mistaken identity due to patient's ignorance can happen but does not affect patient care. Again the public health setting is designed in such a way that a pharmacist cannot do the work of a doctor and the nurse cannot do the work of a doctor whether you call them doctor or not pls leave sentiment aside. I have discussed this erroneous assumption with my colleagues (medics) including our able boss who is a consultant (family medicine) and they have all kept sentiment aside to agree with the real facts. There is a kind of strange medical practice in Nigeria that d doctor assumes he knows everything and he is above error, the consultants also oppress the juniors doctors even when he is wrong you dare not point it out to him (he is all knowing)..it's all about ego ....this training is not good for medical practice and by extension, patient care ...ask any of your colleagues who are practicing abroad to gist you more about the practice over there...

funmisticqueen:
NMA has a point saying that the title of consultancy would mislead patients because it is true. remember that majority of the population in developing countries are educated while the reverse is the case in nigeria. For crying out loud, many nigerians dont know the difference between a doctor and a nurse, especially if the person is female. Ask most female doctors, especially those that work in the public setting, a patient has referred to them as 'nurse' several times, meanwhile i have personally seen a lot of male nurses being called 'doctor' by patients.

How does calling you a nurse as a doctor affect patient care? It is your duty to educate them that you are not a nurse but a doctor or vice versa. Thank God you made reference to public setting, is it possible for a pharmacist to go into d doctor's consulting room and consult because he is a consultant? No. Every professional has their area and office of practice which cannot be substituted. Even a paediatrician for example cannot just go and consult say in opd just because he is a doctor. Public settings are organized settings with rules and regulations and sanctions as well.

ozo13:
most of all u said are true but I don't agree with some of ur assertions.
MPH (master in public health) is offered by non MBBS holders in Nigeria. U can check unilorin website.majority of the MPH students are not medical Doctors.
Also What some of ur senior colleagues that want to be addressed as a consultant want is jus base on year of service/experience and not necessarily going to your post graduate schools .i stand to be corrected anyway cos I stand for the truth"in senator dino voice
On the hospital administrator, I think JOHESU have an eye on it too .that's why JOHESU is asking for deputy CMAC position or so.on this I think d NIgeria constitution gave Doctors this position/advantage.my opinion: d thing should be given to an administrator and other guys can be asked to join the committee as it is done in saner clime.
Solution to all ds health sector fracas is to invite all stake holders both medical Doctors and JOHESU guys to the table let all find a lasting solution.
But I jus dey laugh guys wn dey have to gang up with cleaners ,gate men , generator guys in this fight.that's telling u how things have degenerated in this our country.

Yes I know of Unilorin offering MPH, they started offering to non-medical doctors barely 4 yrs ago. When MPH started in Nigeria, it was exclusively for medics. I lectured for a short time in Unilorin before moving to Unilag and then leaving the classroom. Again sometimes you need to enquire before making assertions, there is West African Postgraduate College of Pharmacist for instance, (not even established by Nigeria) offering fellowship programs and only graduates of this college can be appointed consultant and not yrs of experience as you opined. Nigerian hospitals would be much better if NMA carries everyone along. I don't think JOHESU are mad people not to agree to cooperate. For instance I am working with medics and other health personnels as a team of HSE officers in a firm. Our bond is so strong dat no alien can come inbetween us. The doctor who is our head does not go and fight alone for the salary or other benefits of medics. We have one salary structure with different percentages for call, shift, hazard allowances etc with d medic having highest percentages followed by pharmacist, MLS then the nurse. The head medical officer goes to top management meetings to defend the course of HSE and not medical doctors alone. You need to see him fighting for us, a leader of all, a father of all. He has also affirmed that NMA is not a good leader.

freeDR:
It is unfortunate that an illegal gathering of purposelessly disgruntled health workers are the ones holding the entire health sector in ransom. Quite sad.
The kind of things you see in an emerging economy where the govt is the largest employer of labour.
The only practicable solution is for the government to conceed the running of all public hospitals to Public-Private Partnership arrangement.
Allow private employers of labour to determine who is important in the hospital. Let private employers also determine who earns more.
Aberrations like JOHESU are the hallmarks of a failed state. Nigeria needs a change in structure.

I told my MBBS colleague of mine some days ago that if not for people like him I would think reading MBBS in Nigeria makes one myopic and stupid that you can't even use google to get information. We are both HSE professionals. We discussed at length objectively pointing out the issues, JOHESU has its blame no doubt about that but NMA as the head of the health sector has really bastardized the health sector. From the ministers of health to commissioners of health, CMDs, MDs, boards of health institutions etc. are all doctors yet our hospitals keep deteriorating only for NMA to turn and blame JEHOSU instead of holding their colleagues (who are leaders of the sector) accountable.

Whenever I hear NMA saying 'international best practice' I wonder whether they have their own definition of the phrase. Because in developed world like UK, US, and Canada hospitals are headed by administrators who can be anybody with requisite administrative skills, the doctors and other health workers concentrate on offering clinical services as a team with mutual respect for one another. The USA surgeon general for instance, is a nurse, NMA cannot allow this happen in Nigeria yet still quote international best practices. The head of WHO is a biologist from Ethiopia.
The consultant cadre issue, according to NMA would confuse the patient, as if Nigeria or JOHESU invented it; this is obtainable in the UK, US, and Canada that are ranked among the top 10 ..so which one is NMA's international best practices?
NMA also does not allow any non-medical doctor to do MPH in Nigeria, only doctors are qualified to do it; a program that any science graduate can do even at Harvard and the likes. This is pathetic. You cannot continue to suppress and oppress someone and expect him/her not to react at some point.
It is the right of every civil servant to rise to the peak of his or her career (which is director) but NMA oppressed other health workers for many years saying that if others get to the director level, it will confuse the patient. I dont know how! JOHESU had to go to court to get judgement some few years ago.
I can go on and on and on ......
The crisis in the health sector is as a result of failure of our leaders aided by the NMA who has refused to carry the others along as the head of the team. Just recently the Canadian medical association rejected their pay increase insisting that the govt must increase that of allied health workers first. The opposite is d case in Nigeria.

funmisticqueen:
i won't bicker with you, it is as degrading as jumping from your massive ego to your mentally retarded IQ

That's what you are looking for; attention. A shameless LovePeddler coming here to insult me. Go find where to open your smelling pussy that has become public toilet for agbero to Bleep. Drooling slowpoke! I am not your mate, go find your ashawo mate to Bleep.

funmisticqueen:
that is a lie

Who is this little one seeking attention here?

MrBigiman:


Johesu want the same salary scale with Medical Doctors. It's easy to claim entry point distinguishes them but let's look at exit point. A lab Scientist at 55yrs probably now at the highest grade does nothing but order Juniors around, yet a General Surgeon who has put his life on the line still does rigorous calls and theatre sessions at 58yrs. The stupid, insane and unbelievable new demand means that a lab scientist, Nurse and neurosurgeon at the same grade level should earn the same, despite not having the same responsibility, this is a shame, and the Country will pay for considering these Buffon's and clowns called Johesu. Nowhere in the world is this stupidity condoned. The average hourly work rate of each professional the world over can be browsed, in all cases the doctors' comes top.

My advice for Junior doctors is to run as far as ur legs can take u, this is the best time. Don't look back, doctors are hot cake and don't limit yourself to a shithole country.

Peace

Mr Bigiman.

People who have no useful point to make often times just insult people and that's their point. Why don't you use Google to at least educate yourself before coming here to display your ignorance. Doctor's call duty is 4% of basic salary per unit while pharmacist or MLS is 2% . Now maximum units of call per month is 40 and in most cases others are not allotted max call units only doctors but let's assume all of them are taking maximum units of 40 at same grade level, say 17 (director) with basic salary of 400k. 4% of 400k per unit is 16k, for 40 units is 640k while 2% of 400k is 8k, by 40 equals 320k. How is 640k and 320k the same? This is just one example. Pls try and read wide and be enlightened. Ignorance makes even an intelligent person behave stupidly.

Elueme:
I wish u could digest the NMA position before posting this crap..
NMA is not against pay rise for anybody but ask that relativity be sacrosanct according to international best practice.. A doctor with several academic battering and fellowship struggle cannot be on same salary scale with a nurse or pharmacist.. forget the age and all, the quality of service isn't same irrespective of how old one has been in service. We must learn to respect professionalism in this country.
Johesu was formed to hang up against the doctors in the health sector because they feel with their strength they can arm twist the government.. Some of it's demands ate briddled with ego, jealousy and desire to reap where one didn't sow. The door is wide open for any who wishes to study medicine. No following short cut, go back to school and be accorded same status.

As a seasoned public servant, my heart bleeds whenever I read what you young ones with no experience come to social media to post. I am not a member of JOHESU but look at this objectively, a fresh medical officer enters the public service at grade level (GL)12 while pharmacist and lab sci enter on GL 10, nurse on GL 8....how can these salaries be the same? doctor's call duty allowance is 4% of his basic salary while pharmacist's call duty is 2% of his basic salary...now how can 4% of GL 12 be same with 2% of GL 10? Nurses collect shift duty allowance, how can a meagre shift duty allowance of GL 8 be the same with 4% of GL 12?
A medical officer who enters on GL 12 as resident and becomes a fellow after 4 or 6yrs is upgraded to GL 15 ..it takes a pharmacist minimum of 12 yrs to get to GL 15 and nurse minimum of 18 yrs to get to GL 15. NMA is really not helping the Nigerian health sector.

Margy:
I wish he knew how to swim...


Swimming should be incorprated in our school curriculum

Survival techniques in the sea are completely different from just knowing how to swim.

Duggedised12:
and cough syrup with codeine is an over the counter drug and is not illegal, the only problem here is the rep wanted to use the back door without proper documentation.

The only thing I see here is for drug retail outlets to request for prescription before selling it, simple.

Cough syrups with codeine are not OTC drug in Nigeria. It is a POM (prescription only medicine) that should be dispensed only on prescription from a qualified medical personnel. Our laws are weak and our system is bleeped that's why you can buy it anywhere on the street.

Proudlyngwa:
Bad habits and poor social input are killing our youths, those drugs didn't jump into their hands, they youths embraced them.

You can't take away something good because a lot of people are abusing it.

Tramadol is a high level pain reliever and should not be over the counter.
Rophynol is a hard drug and should be banned
Matijuana is illegal and has always been.


But codeine is the active ingredients in cough medicine, this article will only make it more difficult to get, there is a reason why some drugs are over the counter,

Like hell, there was a time people were addicted to kolanut, cigarette is more harmful and most people abuse nescafe.

Codeine is an opiate narcotic, it is a restricted substance that is not sold over the counter, and by extension cough syrups containing codeine are therefore POM (prescription only medicine) and should not be dispensed over the counter. It is illegal to dispense it OTC without a prescription from a qualified medical personnel.

MotorGuru:
Provide the gearbox serial number and post it here. This number can only be viewed when the air filter box is removed and it is etched on the gearbox casing. Check if it starts with FB or FA.
I might have a replacement at a very very good deal for you.

Will check it tommorrow, it's quite late now.

MotorGuru:
Sorry boss... That gear is gone.. Prepare for a replacement. Where are you located?

Cc. Kashif

Warri

MotorGuru:
question sir, did you at anytime experience a huge jerk at high speed before this happened? Did your gear indicator indicate being stuck in gear 4 when put in manual mode? Is it only engaging in reverse? Has your fliud ever being changed( and what was its condition? Black?) Do you hear whining noise when drive or reverse is selected and you rev the car?
Finally, you may need to scan the vehicle to ascertain the real cause... Pls let me know of any of these ever happened.

Yes the jerk at high speed happened while travelling,
it's stuck on gear 3 in manual mode,
yes it's engaging well in reverse,
the fluid has never been changed, the Mechanic checked its condition ad said it was ok.
There is no whining noise neither in drive nor reverse mode.
The vehicle was scanned and according to the electrician it was the gear sensor that was bad and he replaced it but the issue still persists.

MotorGuru:
Free and unbiased consultations on vehicle diagnosis and fixes.

I am ready so Fire on!

hyundai Tucson SUV 2013 model; the gear is not selecting, the electrician said it's the sensor which he changed to a new one but yet it's still not selecting. What could be the issue?

danilmo:
my bro, loved the way u addressed this

the thing is that this country is a bleeped up country from the scratch, down.to the student, non medic just hate medics for reason best known to them.

I was pained this evening wen I choose to read in a nursing hostel library. and i was told non nursing aren't allowed, I asked what about medic, they said yes especially medical student ...
( electrical transformer supplying medical hostel environment got burnt yesterday) ..

me with my innocent mind now already carry the revenge taught,

and the cycle continue like that... till hospital ..

u see the funny stunt eating.us.deep...


nigeria factor, everyone is bleeped up and our blood is already hot to do me I do u things not only in health system. every where just that health is a matter of life makes it so obvious to all..

all thesame, am a calm guy who respect others sha o but the calmness is just getting bleeped up

I understand, Nigeria really needs help. If things were better, I believe the situation with medical workers also would have been different.
All the best though.

danilmo:
pls pls, we dnt need u biko..

leave NMA alone

follow ur Johesu and be well, fight ur battle alone..

I know very soon govt will force u guys to leave lab and office keys, right there sharp sharp medics will take over, medical student wont fail to help senior doctors to carry out the job in ur absense..

and wen I go on strike, tell govt to get my office keys, lets see if u can function in any consulting room ..yan yan yan.

beside, pls how much u dey earn self wey make consultant dey reapect u according to ur old post...

lol....

consultant amara.

lol..

It is really disheartening to read such comments with myopic undertone coming from a supposedly educated individual-a medic. I am not a member of JOHESU but I expect Nigerian doctors to lead by example, what do you gain by suppressing others? I don't know if you have ever been outside the shores of this country to see how things are done, it would change your mentality about others. I work in a multi-professional team/firm (Drs, nurses, pharmacists, engineers, lab scientist, computer scientist, radiographers, seafarers of different fields and nationals) yet we don't have this kind of disharmony. By God's grace we have been sent on courses and have seen what is obtainable in other climes, I just wish the young Nigerian doctors would both be educated and enlightened and not toe the line of their older counterparts.

Daree88:
Good afternoon nairalanders. Please, I need information on the universities with the fastest M. Sc programmes in Nigeria. I major in the Microbiology field. I would appreciate useful info, please. Can this be pushed to front page, please?

U can finish your MSc in UniLag in 9 months depending on your pace.

BiafranDel:
rubbish. abeg go sidown jare. which money do you have. do you need to compare your finance level to those of your friends on social media.

Why e come d pain you pass na? Oya go take panadol take cool down d pain....eyaaa sorry ehn.

booqee:
Please I need the assistance of a professional who knows how to write a cover letter.
I confuse the difference between a cover letter and an application letter.

I had to submit one recently, and I was told that it is not a cover letter but an application letter.

(Affordable ones please)

Thank you.

Go to Google and download one and modify to suit ur competence and professional experience.

icewinz:
Medicine and Surgery; Is It Truly Worth The Attention It Gets?

I woke up at about 6am, said my prayers and exited the room only to find a flock of birds flying past the roof. Amazingly, the hens and cocks were stretching their feathers and feeling awesome not minding nor even noticing the height of their counterparts.

I logged on to facebook to see if she replied the chats I sent her last night but NO, she didn't. It's obvious she is sad. It's her third year of applying for Medicine and Surgery and this time, she was offered provisional admission to study Food Science and Technology. I could guess, she felt her dreams has been shattered again.

I care for her a lot but I just couldn't find a means to pacify her so I kept my cool.

I've had the privilege of meeting prospective undergraduates on various occasions and their clamour for Medicine and Surgery is alarming. Sometimes it's very difficult to ascertain what fuels their desire.

Why do you want to Study Medicine? Most of them don't seem to have any answer.

They either grew up in an Igbo family where the parents so much believe that the way out of poverty and lack is for their ward to become a medical doctor or while in secondary school, they belonged to a class where 90% of the brilliant ones kept singing Medicine and because they didn't want to feel less than equal, they joined the bandwagon.

Every year, thousands of students apply for Medicine, yet, very few get admitted.

11,130 candidates applied for Medicine and Surgery in UNN alone and not more than 200 will be admitted.
It's is already clear that more than 10,000 will be denied admission.

Same with other 24 FULLY accredited Medical schools in Nigeria.

Only about 1.6% of people who apply for Medicine in Nigeria get admitted yearly.

And only 56% of the admitted students end up becoming doctors.

If you successfully scale through the 6years spent in school, getting a placement for housemanship within the stipulated 2years becomes another bridge to cross. If you eventually end up not getting a place, you will have to resit your final exams this time conducted by the Medical body not your school and you will have to pay plus the high failure rate involved.

Looking at the stress in the journey to becoming a doctor, one should be able to vow that these guys should be the most successful set of people in the society but unfortunately, the reality is different.

Failure in Marriage:
Whatever business, ministry or profession that takes a toll on your family life has made you a failure and that is the predicament of most Doctors. I read an article where an American Medical Body reacted to a medical divorce research by saying only 23% of Doctors have a failed marriage as against the 27% earlier proven, what difference does it make?

I don't have a problem with the statistics because in Nigeria, you will rarely find any divorce case but I've been to Doctors' houses and to be sincere, their wives suffer lack of attention and so do their kids. But the Nigerian culture has taught ladies to tolerate till Jesus comes. In the book 'for men only', 80% of the women interviewed said they would rather suffer financial insufficiency in their homes than lack of attention from their spouse.

He goes to work even on Sundays, he never thinks of taking his family on a vacation, he comes home by 9pm and is so exhausted to chat with his wife and as he lays to sleep, two hours later, the nurse is on the phone 'Doctor there is an emergency' and he rushes out by 11pm and that is the profession that thousands of deceived Nigerian students wants.

Financially:
Doctors are not poor but very few of them are rich. 300k per month, you have a wife and children, you have house rent to settle and have other family members who has a perception that you are rich so they make demands on you. I've never seen a Doctor riding a Range Rover, you only see them on Toyota Camry, Corolla, Honda and other 1-2million naira cars.

Business:
If they invest in other businesses, maybe things will be better. I was with a Doctor in the Medical Centre here and he began lamenting that even if he wants to do anything like business, he won't have time for it and people will end up taking advantage of him. Moreso, if at the workplace, they realize that you have investments, you will be denied certain financial privileges.

I am not despising the medical profession, as I can't deny the fact that the society can't survive without them. I am only worried that an individual spends 7years resitting Jamb simply because he wants to study Medicine.

Come to a gathering and introduce yourself as a medical doctor, nobody will bow to you, outside the school setting what speaks is your
Success in life not your A in Pathology.

How many less privileged kids have you given a reason to smile by sending them to school? How many homes have your existence deleted poverty from their lineage. Therein lies fulfilment.

We need doctors, don't get me wrong but our quest for the medical profession is not worth it. It has crippled rich minds, buried companies that would have been providing 10,000 jobs today and hidden business potentials and leadership models in the chocking atmosphere of the hospital.

So guys, don't feel bad if you not admitted to study Medicine, settle for anything. It's your imagination in life that counts not your IQ. Make the best out your life wherever you find yourself.

Share your opinions please.

I refused to apply for medicine in my JAMB against my dad's wish, it wasn't an easy battle but eventually I won and when I showed him my acct balance just after NYSC, he had to apologize and admit that he was wrong to try to force me into what wasn't my interest. Interestingly almost all my guys who went for MBBS are now consultants or senior registrars (we were intelligent boys and girls) and they are all my 'boys' 'for account balance level'.

OgaInnocent:
I was prompted to script this piece when I read yesterday from the comment of certain moniker here called amarabae, that the problem the Joint Health Sector Union (JOHESU) put themselves is being orchestrated by the Nigerian Medical Association (NMA /Doctors) .
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Inasmuch as the veracity of such claim by such an anonymous online user remains inconsequential, I still wish to educate the unsuspecting public on certain things of paramount and topical significance.

Before I continue, I thought it worthwhile to introduce myself, so that you take cognizance of my biases, if any. I am NOT a medical doctor, at least for now, thus, suffer not yourself in trying to tag this as "espirit des corps" game.

Now, it is no longer news that JoHESu is on strike for reasons bordering on salary and hospital hierarchy.
The news is here:
... https://www.nairaland.com/4456282/federal-health-workers-under-umbrella/3#66805229

ON SALARY:

I wouldn't comment on that because that is the business of the the govt. But let it be on record that if someone should complain of salary, it is the doctors. Nigerian Doctors cannot talk in the presence of their colleagues practicing abroad. They are the most underpaid persons with relation to the value offered. You can imagine the amount Canadian doctors are paid that made them to protest last time. An average consultant doctor in canada receives about 500,000 (about 180 million naira) dollars yearly. A consultant in nigeria is struggling with 10million naira yearly. Hence the reason 90% of Nigerian doctors are jetting out of the country, with many on the way out also. Even the few that are staying, are doing so, due to some supplementation coming from private practice. Otherwise, with the rate at which other countries are ready to issue visa to doctors, Nigeria may soon run out of doctors.
The truth is everyone needs a salary increase because cost of goods have increased, starting from teachers. However, the issue of salary still remains their business with the govt, but note that if your salary is increased to that of a doctor, the doctors will seek their own increase. It is natural to act that way.

ON HOSPITAL HIERARCHY

I heard they want to be given consultant nurse, consultant physiotherapist, consultant Med Lab Scientist etc.

People need to understand something. The hospital is structured in such a way that every treatment /instruction must be directed from the Consultant Physician or Consultant Surgeon. No patient receives anything in the hospital unless the doctor says so. The reason is not far-fetched. It is in the best interest of the patient, so that he/she is not malhandled. Imagine when we introduce a consultant nurse, a doctor will give his own instructions and the nurse will also like to execute his own consultancy expertise by giving his own instructions, at the end, the patient, is at the receiving end. The practice is that the doctor is and must be the head of the patient management team.

Most nurses are clamoring for consultancy because of the knowledge they acquire by virtue of working in hospital for years. They feel they can now challenge the doctor.

I will give an analogy: In Catholic church, we have the parish priest, we have the catechist. By virtue of working at the alter for about 10years, the catechist can comfortably celebrate the mass. Infact he can even celebrate more than the priest if given opportunity. He can also be more prayerful than the priest. But no matter the condition, the catechist can never celebrate mass or be equated to the priest simply because he can do what the priest can do if given the opportunity. There is formal way of becoming a priest, and it is open to everyone, thus, if the catechist wishes to be celebrating mass, he should simply enroll into the seminary, and boom, he becomes a priest. That is the formality.

Nurse vs Nurse Dichotomy

There are two types of nurses, we have those that attended school of nursing(Registered Nurse. RN). we also have those that are studying nursing in university (B. Sc). The truth is that the BSc holders are paid far higher than the RN holders. Why is it so? In terms of work, I need not tell you that, the RN holders are the ones that do the major suffering in the hospital, and JOHESu will not harmonize their salaries so that all nurses are paid parallel amount. But they want to be paid what doctors (mbbs) are paid. That's hypocrisy.


Medical Laboratory Scientists vs Medical Laboratory Technology

The way Medical lab scientist (Bsc) discriminate against the Med lab technologist (HND) is another case study. You and I know that those polytechnic guys are more practical oriented and cannot be equated with university counterparts. But yet, the Bsc holders still lord it over the HND holders. They claim superiority over them, and yet want equality with doctors. Another hypocrisy.


Med Lab Scientist vs Microbiologist.

I happened to study microbiology in my first degree. As a microbiologist, you cannot have a lab on your own. You must work under a med lab Scientist. Even when the knowledge base is the same among the two disciplines.

Last time on Facebook I saw some graduates of med lab from ABSU hanging stethoscope on their neck, calling themselves diagnostic doctors. Thats so laughable. And that has been the delusion that has been making them think they are equal with doctors. That you can see bacteria in urine in the lab does not make you diagnose a patient of infection. A doctor makes 95% of the diagnosis from history and physical examination, just right in the consultation room. The lab tests are to confirm diagnosis and also check for the other systems that the patient may not be complaining of. Also every med lab Scientist works under a Consultant Chemical pathologist, consultant micro biologist, consultant Histopathologist, or Consultant hematologist as the case may be.


The Way OUT

The truth is that, there should not be the need for all these fracas if everyone remains to his job description and prescription. There is already a job description for doctors, nurses, med lab Scientists etc. If you are not comfortable with the job you do, you can switch and follow the formality laid out for that profession. There shouldn't be need for being a nurse and wanting to do the job of a doctor, or being a doctor and wanting to do the job of a nurse.
A doctor needs a nurse, a nurse needs a doctor, a med lab Scientist needs a doctor and vice versa.

In addition to that, every job has a salary scale, most times the salary does not justify the work they do, but only justifies the time and process it took to get there. The people that take the highest salaries in Nigeria are the people that do nothing. They only go to offices to enjoy the AC and go home at the end of the day. When the month ends, they collect millions. Its unfortunate society has made it that way. Let us have a rethink, and be human. Everyone needs salary increase, starting from teachers to doctors to JOHESU (except our senators ***winks***). The problem is getting it right at the electoral polls.

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Who is dis paid job seeker talking trash here?.....I am also not a member of JOHESU but I am a public servant and can authoritatively state that you are talking trash...rubbish write up to mislead the public...I couldn't just continue reading the rubbish up there....
Who told you that BSc nurses are paid more than RN? Nurses are on CONHESS and the payment is based on grade levels. For instance, a RN and a BSc nurse on same grade level, say CONHESS 10, do not have different salaries....I don't know where you got dat nonsense thought from. The entry point of RN is grade level 7 while BSc is grade level 8. You don't expect grade level 7 and 8 to receive same salary. However, a RN on grade level 8 will receive same salary as a BSc nurse on grade level 8.

lalasticlala:
A Nairalander who seriously needs advice sent in this mail. Please read and advise her. Thanks


"I Am still in love with my ex but I am married to a stranger


I wish to seek advice from nairalanders. I will accept insults. I just got married 2 months ago.

Let me start by saying I dated my ex for 4 years. We loved ourselves but you know as the year went by, my ex started showing some attitudes like hiding his phone when sleeping. Also his parents came up that we can't marry, simply becauss I am not same state with him.

While all this played out, this friend of mine connected me to a guy whom came back from abroad to marry. I saw the guy but didn't like him but before we met. I already informed my parents about this guy from abroad who likes me a lot. Without seeking for my approval. My parents got carried away and insisted that it's him they want, not my ex anymore. Out of fustration and pressure I married this new guy but I feel no love for him. My ex also wants me back and I want same because I love him.

I plan to divorce my husband because I can't stand that he Will be my husband for life. I don't love him.

Please advise me."

You either marry who you love or love who you marry....Is your husband beating you? Is he good to you? Does he love you? Ur only reason for divorce is dat you don't love him, what a baby brain! Who told you dat the man you claim you love will make a better husband? I have seen couples who love themselves turn to cat and dog and eventually part ways.....Go and love your husband and forget distractors!

Aboguede:
That didn't make her a saint though.
We always judge by people's judgement and as long as people believe we are doing well, we pretend to be too.

But don't forget that life is personal

No one is talking about being a saint here, "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God",.... however God's grace and mercy endureth forever pleading our cause that we may live a righteous life. David was a man after God's own heart yet he was a terrible sinner. No body is a saint but we are all working on ourselves to get better. It is possible for a genuine church girl to fall to fornication but then realizes she has sinned then repents and refuses to indulge in it again...
It is only a deceiver/pretender dat would consistently engulf herself in a particular sin (fornication for dat matter) with no repentance whatsoever as in the above story....
As a matter of fact church girls don't joke with the issue of fornication....They are not saints but majority will not indulge in fornication and so if you see any lady pretending to be a church girl and yet swimming in "pornia", biko run for your life!

912:
You thought she was a "church girl" - Dude are you for real? How can you think she was a church girl when she was giving you her p***y to chop raw up to the point that she could even make you believe she was pregnant?

This was exactly the first thought that came to my mind while reading the story.....Bros was too blinded by love....A church girl committing "fornication" of all sins and yet you still believed she was a church girl.
My wife as a church girl never even allowed me to hug her not to talk of fornication, she visited my house only once (throughout the 16 months of courtship) in company of her two brothers.

HigherEd:
You are a proper fool with a gutter throat.
What part of this does your porous brain not understand
. And no universities are NEVER judged or ranked on the research work of their graduates but of the university they work at because it is the student at their current place of work that would benefit from whatever research breakthroughs that they have. But I don't expect a slowpoke like you to understand because your village people must have buried your sense inside evil forest.

You are still pathetically using your mucus filled brain trying to explain what you lack understanding of, I advise you to let this stuff be coz trying to explain it exposes your foolishes more and more. Unfortunately, I can't go into its details with you, it's beyond the comprehension of your paedo-CNS and I would only be wasting my precious time to teach a dummy!

HigherEd:
Where you born with a brain defect or is your head filled with mucor that you cannot understand or comprehend my post... What is misleading about the fact that the unirank rank has nothing to do with academic relevance or are you simply trying to be foolish.
You keep mentioning "acheivements" of universities you know. I can tell you of Prof Christian Happi of redeemers university who developed the Ebola rapid testing kit which was used during the Ebola crisis of west africa, i can tell you of Professor Adebiyi of Covenant who developed the "Evolution proof" insecticide using computational biology. I can tell you about the CAVA projects of FUNAAB. But do we rate those universities in isolation of those singular projects - Absolutely Not!

Universities are ranked using metrics such as Research, Teaching, Citations, Internationalisation, Industry Income and Employability of Graduates.
So get your head informed before quoting me with ur useless comments.

This guy are you really a graduate or you don't understand simple English? I cited some few quality research works and also told you that it's one of the metrics for ranking universities (in my previous post).....your mucus filled low brain does not understand that and tags it 'personal achievements' and still goes ahead to list research as a ranking criterion! Your low brain also does not understand that I named graduates of UNN (Dr Omalu) and ABU (prof Nok)...is prof Happi a graduate of Redeemer's university? Or prof Adebiyi dat of Covenant? I don't even want to go into discussing their works with a dumb brain dat wouldn't comprehend ..Go and check the past winners of Nigeria Prize for Science and Literature; there were no winners from 2011 to 2016 due to low quality research ... Ebola outbreak was in 2014....
You know nothing about university ranking; even the copy and paste from Google you still couldn't do it well, so pathetic.

HigherEd:
And I don't know what nonsense you are trying to prove. That one man's accolade can define an entire university's usefulness or relevance?

I have nothing to prove to low brains, you have no idea on how universities are rated and you come here to spew trash to mislead unsuspecting public...i only cited some great works (one of the criteria used in rating universities) of products of d universities you are calling garbage .....make a list of research works from those your so called 'Covenant Harvard' and let's compare....
Also list the criteria you used in arriving at your conclusion and let's compare it with international standard.
If you don't know how to research for quality information on the internet you can as well ask those who know to educate you rather than coming to public domain like this to display your ignorance.

HigherEd:
Unirank or 4icu is a ranking of universities according to how many people clicks the website of those universities. You would do well to disregard the rankings as it has no bearing on the quality of a university in anyway...


There is absolutely NO NIGERIAN UNIVERSITY that comes even remotely close to University of Ibadan in academics with the exception of UNN and Covenant. And I am talking as someone who has deep knowledge of SCOPUS, Research gate, WoS, Google Scholar and Thomson Reuters and I can assure you that any ranking in Nigeria that does not place those three to be top of any academic ranking must be a complete pile of trash.
You may do well to rely on webometrics because it is an academic ranking but the ultimate ranking system is ARWU, THE and QS.

However in the area of available academic facilities UI would be the only public university that would/might manage into top 5. The remaining position would be filled by private unis like covenant, AUN, PAU, ABUAD. However what UI lacks in some facilities it made up with in a good human resource base. UI still produces and retains academics like Gureje Oye who are well rated globally.

NB: I am not affiliated to UI in any shape or form. Just saying the truth.

I don't know where you got this rubbish conclusion from but I know great works of people like Dr. Omalu from UNN who was the first to discover and publish findings of chronic traumatic encephalopathy in American football players, prof Jonathan Nok of A.B.U Zaria who worn the Humboldt award for his discovery of the gene for trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness), just to mention a few. Just try and read about the above mentioned works and the international awards they got and stop spewing rubbish ......