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Etrusen:
Oga ogiso was just in form of Oba title given to any one who is crown but they have their own name added to the Oba e.g Oba Erediauwa and Oba Ewuare are they not two two people entirely ? but they have the "oba" added to their name to show who they are.
that is how it was in ogiso dynasty we have 31 ogisos before oba dynasty among whom are
Ogiso Igodo
ogiso Ere
ogiso Orire and so on.
please I hope this is clear ?

and for that of "erhinmwidu" you said
it is the ancestral alter for the past kings till date handled by the isekhure of Benin.
the erhinmwidu is always regarded as the number Oba of Benin deity because it's the mark of his fathers and father's fathers.
just like the name stands
erhinmwin_spirits
idu_ Edo
but because the Oba is Edo pillar all things revolve round him thats while have names like
obaredo
obarisiagbon
obayangbon
obaradesagbon. etc

please I hope you understand?

I am trying to understand what the argument is.

We always had obagodo. But Idu was the progenitor of Edo race. So both Obagodo/Ogiso, omonoba n'Edo and shortened form Oba and aboriginal Benin origin people descend from Idu.

So whatever name his descendants later became known by, he is their ancestor and rightly so that earliest Oba godo or Ogiso or Oba rightly had an ancestral shrine dedicated to him. Even families have own ancestral shrines with family ukhure unless those forming holier than the pope.

Our history is not dictated by others and we are not here to impress outsiders but portray it as accurately as learned traditional and modern researchers can honestly decipher.

macof:
so are you a troll or a bastard? You still didn't clear this up

Only a raving bastard without any respect for his mother can contemplate calling anyone any bastard.

TAO11:
You weren’t mentioned, neither were you quoted. I’m not then sure why you feels so convinced that you were the lizard.

Actually you’re a maggot. Now face your co-maggot before I open my eyes.

Lol. Maggots from your she-male pussy make you see maggots even in your dream.

gregyboy:
How did ogiso change to obaship then

If indeed as you illustrated if indeed ogiso existed then they were humans claiming divine royalty but not to forget,

The earliest document from the Europeans recorded on benin describing the ogiso rulers ruling in the time of no sun or moon

The ekaladeran history i believe never had any connections with eweka

But how did the ogiemen treaty come about if indeed ekaladeran story ended at ughoton as stated in 1903

Ogisos were already called Obagodo. I didn't think I should be explaining this again. I have since 2011 here on NL.

Omo n'oba n'Edo. The shining child of Edo.

A French prince used to be called Fils de France. Therefore a precious prince, the hope of ending an interregnum deserved many appellations.

TAO11:
Interesting!

Clash of the lizards.

Your fellow worms have fallen asleep in their mothers' beds already, perhaps suckling still. .

At least we are not zombies that follow one way even if it leads into the abyss.

We do not do cover up on tribal basis. Where we believe truth lies we say so, argue it and learn from it.

gregyboy:
You said the leader became ogiso (sky kings).abi does ogiso have another meaning again or maybe ogiso was the name of the oba

Ermwrwidu you mentioned possibly was an obabut have lo
And nothing more

Is this story new to you? If so try to know than dismiss it. I made example that various civilizations introduced myths later along the line. The Asantehene King of Ashanti said himself that the golden stool didn't come from the sky. That some chiefs around Osei Tutu wanted to give him divine right to rule by introducing that myth. I keep citing civilisations because humans do not exist in a vacuum but have lots in common. I was querying stories by the age of 12, surrounded by manuscripts for publication.

Ask yourself this: at what point were original rulers called "ogiso"? Couldn't it have been much later as rulers got more powerful and grew in mystic? We cannot say. But they all had personal names like Igodo, Ere, Obioye, Ediae, Iredia, Ogbomo, Ighido, Efeseke, Odia and so on in no particular other.

Attempt to curry divine right, ridiculous to us today, but quite powerful to ancient superstitious people, is what has muddied the water today. I quoted the literate and quite smart Greco-Roman antiquity having such myths too.

Whatever we think of ogiso today is irrelevant. Fact is the tactic allowed them to get a centralised government that gradually brought order, organisation and civilisation.

gregyboy:
You believe sky kings came from sky and ruled edos....

Did you even read my post at all?
Where did I say they came from the sky? How do elders from various quarters of Igodo, all descendants of Pa Idu, come from the sky?
At least take your time to read before you comment.
The English have the legend of king Arthur. But they also now know the likely origin of Britannic tribes from DNA. Not to mention English that came from Germany and Denmark to replace the Romance.

But it has not diluted the popularity of Arthur legend even though nobody believes it's true.

gregyboy:
Lol, you still talk in myth please dont mention me with this rubbish

You can debate TAO11 with it, not me

Am pissed you still think like this i had suspected
Anyway

You guys can debate TAO11 with the myth but dont fucking mention me when you do

OK. Put your own version here. Because I grew up in a house with scholars in Edo history. I have mentioned this years ago here already. People who actually write the books. Debunk my version with a better version.

I will also refer you to a young scholar tutored by the best Scholars of Benin history. Among Palace chiefs.
In my case one now a Palace chief and an uzama chief descendant.

I do not care about any other person when writing what I know to be the truth. This is separating facts from fiction. My version is far more real.

Prove that you know it better. I don't mind flying into 9ja to prove it.

Na wa o.

gregyboy:
Tell me my edo brother, which benin research have you done, because the research i see you carried out was on pure oral benin history.....

You believe on the Oduduwa craps right.....

Ok

Ogiso were sky kings which you think their of origin may have been false but you still insisted they ruled, when the name actually says says rulers,

So you mean sky rulers came to rule men and they became mortar and died then oromiyan came to replace them as oba.

You be yoruba man stop pretending as an edo person

Agabado market is the oldest market how did you come to this evidence oral accounts i guess, how do we know the oral account is correct have there been any archeological evidence stating so, or you just want me be to believe in the oral account because it says so, abi

What if ere was called an oba not ogiso,

Is there any tribe who once or still refered to benin as igodomigodo

Because history also made it know that eken who ruled uselu in the early 1800Ad had to be killed by the oba of benin to fully extend his rule to uselu, meaning not all benin were united 200yrs ago not leaving udo behind

Not forgetting

The Europeans also documented that benins believes the ogiso had ruled when they were no sun or moons

So what happened to ogiso and how come the oba in benin

Well, every civilization has some myths. The very smart Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had theirs.
Be it Horus, Amun, Hercules, Romulus or whatever.

In Benin we also knew that kings have some myths that surround them. Just like the golden stool falling from heaven in Ashanti kingdom.

Progenitor of Edo people was a man called Idu. That is the consensus.

He was later deified as "Erimwindu". His shrine is in the Palace.

One of our neighbours the Igbo still call Benin Ndi Idu. Children of Idu.

Idu children become Igodo with many quarters. Various quarters had a senior man or Odionwere. So Odionwere of various quarters became the gerontocratic elders council. A leader of this council became the first Ogiso. So it was initially rotatory upon death of one Ogiso.

Oliha, Edohen, Ero were elders by the time Ogiso changed to hereditary. Maybe Ezomo too. To get support for hereditary Ogisoship, I believe it was Ogiso Ere who offered those elders, his Co leaders hereditary eldership or Odionwere. Later to be called Uzama with others like Eholor Nire, Oloton and crown prince/Edaiken added.

With an oath that Uzama must ensure hereditary obaship and Oba must ensure their children get their inheritance too. To fulfil that oath at Erimwindu, led by the Oliha, the Uzama must crown or at least be present when the Oba is crowned at night. They are among the very very few allowed to be present at coronation.

Though an old post but an eye opener to men.

If you die, the woman doing Lovie Lovie today can consider wiping out or compounding your name of and from your children if another man she meets is rich enough and wants her to.

Let's pray to God for long life so we can raise our kids and enjoy our kids till old age.

History555:
And all hell will break loose between osho and iyamu should iyamu win. Firstly who will control the house of assembly, iyamu will neva let osho do that, just like obaseki he will use divide and rule tactics to cease control of the house starting with removing the speaker of their faction

Sadly Tinubu people don't care if Edo State burns. They want another state to boost Tinubu 2023 Aso Rock scheme.

If Iyamu wins, in 4 years he won't step down in 2024. Unlike Obaseki who is a refined gentleman, the cultist Iyamu will fight Oshiomhole very dirty in 2024.

Edo South and Edo Central won't be happy to see another Edo South person extending the senatorial zone rule to 12 years.

Instead of letting Obaseki rule jeje for 8 year and go, Oshiomhole is causing problems from now till 2028 in advance.

Guestlander:
And you believe if you marry someone in Nigeria you are not bounded by the marital laws in the US or other countries?

Let dem dey talk. After they will complain that things don't work in 9ja. Whereas they are the ones that flout the law and dabaru everything.

@ Trumptweet
A good woman can be raised in Tibet, Wuhan Province of China, Lebanon, Sweden, USA, Sambisa forest or anywhere. Same as a bad woman.

What 9ja people call a good woman is a mugu dey can use anyhow.

Study the woman, if she seems good, then try to be a good man and and pray over the rest.

TAO11:
I can’t remember when Nigeria started producing phones and Italian shoes — anything to help your bruised and battered self though.

Stolen Benin artifact?? No! Those were actually spoils from a punitive expedition at Benin kingdom.

It must be really tough on you to remember the ugly incident of how your Oba Ovonramwen was expelled and disgraced from his own kingdom.

Yet, the oracle of the Oghene of Ife forewarned him of the impending disgrace. ~ Egharevba cited in R. Horton p.128.

Well, I have never seen Itel or Tecno unveiled with fan fare in UK, US or Germany. Only in Africa.

Your own is Mr Ajala Oghenekevwe. Ask Delta people.

At least Benin had the guts to face the British. Not cowards. Well, Britain called taking slaves from Africa business. Whatever Britain called the burning and looting of another people's land and property is irrelevant.

Important is that Hitler attacking Britain believing Germanic superiority exposed the hypocrisy of colonialism based of colonial master superiority.

Hitler made colonial masters lose the moral argument for colonialism as exploited by Mahatma Gandhi.

Whatever name the pilfering British called it is only relevant to you low self esteem lot who need British validation.

Valirex
Ghostwon
Gregyboy
Etinosa

Dude, PSG Marseille game is not a Derby o.

Paris is about 700km from Marseille.

Too bad that these rich players cannot behave themselves.

TAO11:
The Ooni’s phone and the Prince’s shoes will go missing.

cc: AreaFada2

Local phone and local shoes.

Oba of Benin enjoyed the best of material stuff in Scandinavia and other places when he was an ambassador. Not to talk of his time as a student in UK and US. Not a local champion servant of Elegushi family.

Oba of Benin didn't need Elegushi money to buy his throne.

By the way while others were scrambling to sit close to one oyinbo mumu, Oba went there to ask the albino to return stolen Benin arts.

RedboneSmith:
Lol. So the only traditional rulers you rate are the ones with connections to Benin. Such Edocentrism.

Oh you are smart a bit.

I have no business with others. If they like let their ancestor come from Jupiter or climb down from Mount Everest. Let them rank themselves among the Shoguns of Japan. Ko Kanye.

Etrusen:
this thread is to relate everyone to the height of Benin as a kingdom.

now to the list of the day DID YOU KNOW THAT:


Benin is also called Igodomigodo historically

Igodomigodo's first ruler is Igodo ?

That Igodomigodo means " kings give birth to king"

The ceremonial Edo Ada and Eben sword was initiated by Ogiso Ere who was the second Ogiso after Igodo at about 66AD

That the known oldest quarter in Benin is Ugbekun quarter because Ogiso palace was in this area


that the last Ogiso of Benin is Owodo about 1130


That there was 31 Ogisos before the Oba monarchy

That the Ogiamien family is the son of Evian

That the Ogiso family greet Laiso as their morning greeting

That the Oba family greet Lamogun as their morning greeting

that the Ogiamien family greets Laire as their morning greeting

that the Oba monarchy start about 1200

That Oba Eweka 1 was born dumb

That some chieftaincy titles is older than the Oba monarchy e.g Oliha and Ero

that the Oliha family greet Laogele as their morning greeting

That the Ero Family greet Lamosun as their morning greeting

That the Oba palace was brought to Ogbe by Oba Ewedo ( the Sixth Oba of Benin )

That the word " Omonoba n Edo uku akpolokpolo" means " the child who is king over the great kingdom of Benin/ the child who shines to the great kingdom of Benin" depending on the way you pronounce the word.

That Oba Ewedo is considered the second greatest Oba after Ewuare 1

That the brain behind the Benin moat was brought by Oba Oguola

that the greatest Oba of Benin ever was Oba Ewuare 1440 to about 1485

that the longest time Oba of Benin is Oba Akengbuda 54 years

that Oba Ezoti is the short time Oba of Benin 14 days

that Oba Ehengbuda was born with both male and female organs

That the word Edo became a general name in 1440 ( done by Oba Ewuare 1)

that 3 Oba of Benin was not buried in ogbe
Oba Ewuare1: isi
Oba Orhogbua: drawn in Lagos lagoon
Oba Ovoranmwen Nogbaisi: Calabar

that Oba Ewuare 1 balanced the chieftaincy system in Benin

That the unnoticed "City" always added to Benin I.e Benin city was done by the early explorers of Africa at about 1500

That the Portuguese were the first to visit Benin in 1485

that the Holy Aruosa church of Benin was built in 1516

That Idia is the mother of osawe A.k.a Oba Esigie

That Idia is the first queen mother to see her son crown king

That Esans have been the most queen mother of Benin

That the giant Arhuan is the elder brother of Oba


Esigie

That Oba Ozolua is the father of both Arhuan and Oba Esigie

That Arhuans mother was Okhomi

That the Benin moat was fully completed by Oba Ewuare 1


That the first Ezomo of Benin was an Esan man (Ehuan)

That the Ezomo family greet Lagiesan as their morning greeting

That Benin kingdom is more than 2000 years old


That the Benin empire started in 1440 and ended in 1897

That Oba Ovoranmwen Nogbaisi was crown in 1888, exiled in 1897,transit in 1914 in Calabar

That the current Oba palace is four times smaller than the way it use to be before 1897


that the current palace was built by Oba Eweka 11

That Orhionmwon LGA is the home to all Benin queen mothers

That Benin have recorded 40 Obas since inception

That the current Oba of Benin is Oba Ewuare 11 crown 20/10/2016


OBA GHA TO KPERE
EDO GHA TO KPERE

ISEEEE

I see!
Slight correction. Oba Ewuare reigned from 1440 to 1473/74. Certainly by 1475 Oba Olua was ruling. By 1480 the son of Oba Olua called Prince Iginuwa was sent to the seaside to become Ogiame or Lord of the Seas in what is now Ode Itsekhiri.

Oba Oguola began the building of moats and ramparts around Benin. He reigned from 1280 to 1295.

Oba Ewuare extended and improved them from 1440 AD.

Benin moats are long considered the biggest civil engineering work on earth. Until more part of Wall of China was recently excavated.

benzion72:
Who Nigerian Presidency help, Oduduwa Republic here I come to your tenets all tribes

Oil dey your head.

Las las they will gather from all tribes and siphon the money.

mayklef:
i think that debate should be between Oshomole and Izeyamu, because Oshomole has been the governor of Edo state 4 d past 12years

Between Oshimhole & himself.

He has been speaking for Ize-Iyamu since campaign began.

When Obaski began to assert himself half-way through his tenure, by replacing half of the commissioners (Oshiomhole had imposed all of them), all hell broke loose.

azmanaty02:
Obaseki flogged POI d fake Pasta hands down

Nairaland mods na APC people na.

Have you ever seen any news positive about Gov. Obaseki on FP, especially since the spat between him & Oshiomhole became public?

I bet you haven't.

Afam4eva:
I don't know if i'm the only one who has this.

But i always feel sick whenever i get into most cars. I always feel like throwing up and it has been a problem i've had right from childhood. I don't know what exactly causes it but it makes it difficult for me to travel by car because i get sick throughout the journey.

Has anybody experienced this?

Afam, the Afam Gburu Gburu of Umu-Afamofia Autonomous community, the only American Eze in Ala Igbo. I greet you.

You see, it is motion sickness. Though more prevalent in sea and air travel, it happens in cars too.

A popular antistaminergic drug is a quick fix but not a cure.

I won't mention it because I cannot say if it's OTC in your jurisdiction. But a qualified pharmacist will guide you if you do not want to see a doc for it.

gregyboy:
Dont mind the mugu rating ooni who was a native doctor in ife, to alafin who ruled an empire , this is one reason they need the benin history to survive because they cant get their fact right


When alafin was made the chairman of western chiefs councils the other yorub monarchs revolvated because they feared alafin rankings on them, but they supported the fraudulent ooni ife conspiracy which says they are all sons of oduduwa, because with ooni narrative no one will be ranked but all of them will be seen as equals

Last last they were still ranked, they fell for it,

When alafin saw he had lost his support he settled for second displacing the oba of benin who was initially second to third, but the oba of benin didnt even complained because the position he was given even tho he didnt speak yoruba made him glad

At the time EWEKA II had little choice. In fact it was his doggedness and tenacity that made restoration of monarchy possible. He had to learn diplomacy very quickly without the benefit of a father in the Palace to learn from or Western education.

But Oba Akenzua's education at King's College Lagos and knowledge of Yoruba language prepared him for the battle with Yoruba that was to come. He must have been incensed by claims of Yoruba supremacy right from college days.

Therefore he got his way leading Midwest out of Western Region.

As smart as Oba EWEKA II was, he must have foreseen a time that Edo and Delta would again be on its own. Maybe not as two states today but still.

Oba Erediauwa had even more access to the knowledge of SW ways working as Perm Sec of Cabinet Office in Lagos in Gowon regime, ministry of health and others before that.

The current Oba has synthensized all the above along with foreign diplomatic service. We are even in a better place now.

gregyboy:
TAO11 can i have your nunu to night, d last time we had it, it wasnt sweet lets try it again....

Oh boy I dey warn you o. Na cross dresser o. Anyway we dey here to hear the tory of Rod wey go dey dangle for there.

gregyboy:
I know you, more than anyone else, you're currently digging and researching to prove me wrong, i want to be proven so take your time,

Make sure anything you find, make sure you bring evidence and not just writing articles

gomojam
DonCandido
Amujale
macof
Sewgon79
lx3as
nisai
2fine2fast
Aphrygian
Olu317
Obalufon
geosegun


AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Davidnazee
Prolog
Samuk

You all should bear me witness as i send her on a research

She is still at my mercy....

She must be on 'Aimiuwu' TV program kind of quest by now. Just dey give them work to keep dem busy. You are doing well.

Etinosa1234:
U dey mind that boy

It’s no longer Oranmiyan is Yoruba, it’s now oranmiyan is a white man

Confused set of people

Soon they will say he came from Tokyo. Which by the way used to be called Edo.

Their confusion nor be here.
Wetin Oduduwa and Oranmiyan nor go see for self acclaimed over educated people hand?

They must have also accommodated Tokyo people long before accommodating Meleszenawi people.

Benwallt:
Where is Oshiomole there and why is ounsodima face always looking like fried plantains (dodo)

The supreme Court governor must like dodo very much.
Oshiomhole must have gone to look for his Runaway imported albino.

skyblueking:
Omor see crook oo... This is corporate begging..
Make im go meet Buhari na ..
Hungry don knack am.

Lots of Buhari regular supporters are people who have made a strong covenant with poverty.

That is why they cannot see that they are in bondage.
Regular never do wells. Either roasting vultures for BBQ, agbero, haters of progress, religious and tribal bigots, very bitter people, GEJ haters, etc.

Xisnin:
Different groups displaced the local population and took over the lands operating fairly independently.

Who are the whites and who are the immigrants?
Irish, Spanish, Socttish or English?
Perhaps it is the pilgrims, the lutherian or baptists?

By the time the country "United States" exists along with its laws, it is as diverse as any modern country at the time.
Some of the so-called US states were formerly Mexican.



If "whites" were some disinct united group, we would have had a united "white" empire in history
but we didn't. That is telling.

It doesn't matter who call the shot in France. The majority are in charge, that is fair enough.

Despite the OP labelling the white citizens of France, French.
There are still separatist group who are whites who wants to become independent.

The man who attempted to unite the true "whites" of Europe is the most hated person today.
No one thought to give him a pass that many of them are descended from the Germanic tribe, therefore
should be one nation.


The question you should ask is where are the "original" Romans today?
Why we did they abandon their proud history and unity according to the OP for lesser names?

Are there pure Italians with no admixture of disparate ancestry DNA?
The so-called original Romans is a farce as the "original" Rome was forged in blood.



It seems you now agree with me that British, Americans and other appelations mean squat in the scheme of things.



Czechia is as artificial as Slovakia despite the outcome of their split.

Every single country, nation or ethnic group is an artificial creation
regardless of their ethnic composition.
There is nothing divine or supernatural about their existence.
It is not in human nature to want to ruled by others even if they are from the same family line.

Immediately you move out of a village settings with few population, we can no longer
be talking about a group as if they are one.

It takes political, warfare or religious manipulations to get people of two originally different towns
under one leadership even if they belong to the same ethnic group.

Slovakia may fragment in a century time for whatever reason despite them being "Slovaks" today.

My point is that an appeal to ethnic or superficial brotherhood is an invalid argument for secession.
And such request should be outrightly dismissed.

I am not against a group seceding but it must actually work and fight for it.
They should not expect that the present political arrangement would
just dissolve itself because they belong to a different ethnic and cultural groups.
When in reality, there are several faultlines among the self-acclaimed united front.

Your epistle is a tacit support for status quo in Nigeria. Something common in SW and Northern region. SW baffles me the most. A fairly homogeneous area better served as an independent nation.

Whatever difference exists between Caucasian countries, religion and shared culture marked them since 1000 to 2000 years despite clashes and wars in between.

But people currently called Nigerians from Niger Delta to Chad Basin had nothing in common by 1914. Even now they only have poverty and an artificial nationality in common.

The difference between a German and an Englishman is far less than between an Ijaw and a Berom. Between a Italian and a Portuguese if far less than between and Hausa and an Efik person. Between a Czech and a Slovak is less than between and Okun and Igbira within same Kogi and touted as both Yoruboid. Yet these Europeans realised that homogeneity is key to harmony.
The walloons and Flemish of Belgium have tension between them. Francophones of Canada only lost independence referendum by 2 or 3% few decades back. Not to mention Scotland recently. These countries have high chances of separation within next 40 years.

It's talking from all corners of the mouth thar betrays many people from certain parts of Nigeria not ready to move on and forge a path for themselves. I do not want to be forced to be in a country with people I do not identify with. Our ancestors were forcefully lumped together.

Therefore IPOB and other groups will begin to spring up. Preventing peaceful separation makes a violent falling out inevitable. Especially as a comprehensive restructuring remains lip service.

This is a fact. I know hypocrites that people are will make them call it supporting secession.

Nigeria has citizens originally from India, Lebanon and others but it is still a black country.

Olu317:
Lol. Pained over your ignorance that Alaafin is historically lower to Oni? Let me allow you continue to wallow with your shame because give or take, you have a Yoruba name . This, is the, power of Yoruba language as Franca lingua in Edo land.

Oviedo in Spain and Oviedo Edo land are false cognate because , Spain's Oviedo is not a demonym ��� but a city which amongst others has a football (Soccer) team. Don't cry over spilled milk.

We dont need lecture over Spain's city's because we are familiar with history and cities.So stay put and bear your ancestral identity . After all, even Oba Bini 1896-97 acknowledged the fact that Oranmiyan, was a white man!���. See people, see inferiority complex.

Chai. You still didn't get my ridicule of you for the name. I now see for real that you are not really as smart as you like to claim.

Despite clearly putting your goofing to you, you still did not get it. You are talking of dymonyms.

Nor be only franca lingua Na Jennifer Lingua.
Abeg do not use big words you do not know.

It's the other way round: lingua franca.

So a Palace holding/deputising babalawo (Ooni) is greater than a full king (Alaafin)? Only in your part of Yorubaland.

We are not fooled by modern politics to try unite Ya. Riba. Count Ado-Akure out.

Etinosa
Gregyboy
Etinosa

Benbellamor:
Time to play the million Dollar in babanriga video....on large screen

Hahahahaha

Lamasta:
Okun people should fight for their right if they feel cheated on their land...

Kogi and Kwara should do the needful that emir for kwara nahim me no even gbadun self na Oba suppose dey lead them

Well, if Afonja hadn't done his trick that turned out to be premium mumuism, Alimi people wouldn't have taken Illorin for Dan Fodio's jihadists.

They should join Ekiti. To make it more viable. Okun state is a non-stater. Unless they create Anioma, adada and maybe Boko Haram State too.