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sesan85:
What exactly does this Ago Enibode have to do with Yoruba land, Mr. Bini?

You cannot question the amount of information I can give to reasonable silent readers. I know sorting in 9ja education has produced many lazy and narrow minded readers.

Let me spoon feed you a little. Ago Enibode was added to show a previous lazy poster like you that just like Eko is camp, Ago is also a camp and both were used by ancient Benin depending on purpose of the camp.

So Mr Tapa claiming Yoruba, I hope that breakdown is simple enough for you to chew.

sesan85:
Lol, what is Ago Enibode? This silly Benin revisionists have started again.

Sentry camp is the meaning.

It's not even in doubt that people in that area, a large number were followers or people affiliated with Oba Ozolua.

Others were people of his son Oba Esigie. Luckily a Portuguese letter written in 1516 from Benin to Portugal still exists. The Portuguese writer succinctly described the Benin war with Idah.

If you have any knowledge at all, you will know which part of Edo Benin army fought the war from and the subsequent sentry and espionage after the war.

Ignorance might make things sound strange to you. But truth remains same.

What Benin didn't write down were depicted in bronze castings seen in museums around the world today. If you have the privilege like me, try visit British Museum London, Amsterdam Museum, Quai Branly Museum in Paris, Berlin Museum, etc.

Rip.

Karma will visit them if anyone has a hand in it.

Sirmwill:
Ondo people
Abeg
Did any storm happen over there?

I called home. Not even a cloud gathered in the sky. Common breeze dem nor see o.

Iamgrey5:
Sir there is nothing like Benin /Edo Diaspora, the earlier you realize the better.

@ emboldened is actually very mutual as most Yorubas don't want to have anything to do with Edo people in particular.. We prefer people from Delta state.

Eyeing oil and dreaming of alliance with Itsekhiri like Igbo eye Anioma.

We all know the trick. Kikikikiki.

Dream on.

The same Itsekhiri matter that Awo used to cause Wahala in Warri Province. It had to be changed to Delta province to pacify non-Itsekhiris. But later it all made Urhobo, Isoko, Anioma and others to readily follow Behind Benin to leave Western Region. They were all able to see the shenanigans from Awo/Yoruba side.

People like me look at history to see what is coming ahead.

Yoruba better fight for Oodua Republic. Not form Amotekun to prevent Fulani slaughering people in SW.

SW can survive on Ugboland oil and import some. Not follow Jihadists nyansh up and down.

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened You protected them by killing the Deji of Akure because he wanted freedom from Bini kingdom?

By the way, no one in Ondo or Ekiti today feels affiliated to Edo more than Ife or Oyo empire.

Don't deceive yourself.

After over 100 years of British oppression and punishment of Benin (for uncommon resistance) and WAZOBIA smokescreen? Not surprised.

But in 1914, it was different. Benin still chose in the past from Edo diaspra in Ado-Akure to become traditional prime minister, called Iyase. a position that is non-hereditary but very powerful. Being second in command to the Oba. Real people of Eastern Yorubaland know their historical links. Not those with grandparents from there but born and bred in Lagos-Ibadan axis.

Today Benin look more inward and if looking out at all, towards Niger Delta. Since 1963 creation of Midwest in fact. A move spearheaded by Oba Akenzua II of Benin. Edo & Delta distanced themselves from the West, not the other way round.

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened is fake history

It was ibadan that actually liberated Akure and most of Ekiti from you Binis.

What you forget about loyalty is once ingrained, it takes another generation at least to remove it. Of course Benin protected Eastern Yoruba from Oyo invasion for a long time. Many were grateful for it.

The so called Ibadan intervention has been totally embellished with Ibadan seeking to upstage in relevance due to Kwara and Afonja fiasco.

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened is fake history

It was ibadan that actually liberated Akure and most of Ekiti from you Binis.

Lol.
The only footnote relevance of the new kid on the block, Ibadan, is helping Oyo fight off Jihadists of Dan Fodio.

Though not before Afonja had done enough Yaribaristic damage.

macof:
The hatred you have for Yoruba will not make your brain function properly

Yoruba don't claim what does not belong to us. That we claim many things only mean we created many things
If you don't like it you can run far away to a place Yoruba culture and influence won't reach you

Ayelala is now Bini wonders shall never end.

I have no hatred for any human being. But some of our Yoruba people baffle me with their ignorance despite many degrees. I have seen Yoruba people with PhD in diaspora lump Benin with Igbo people.

To begin with, you yourself do not have more stake in Yoruba story more than me. I dare say you probably don't have a Yoruba pedigree as high as mine. Another guy argued it with me some days ago here. I wanted to show him proof. I have not heard from him since. He disappeared when he realised I was serious.

Iamgrey5:
You are a terrible lair.

Didn't Bini people kill a Deji of Akure and installed their own stooge until Ibadan chased them out.

Even when Oyo rulled over Baribas and Dahomey, Oyo neither forced them to Speak Yoruba nor force leadership on them.

Regardless, the facts still remains that Oba of Lagos has no Land or strong claim to any land in Lagos. if he tries any nonsense, he would be detroned at in a second.

And Finally Yariiba has no meaning in Hausa or Fulani Language. I challenge you to ask any Fulani or Hausa the meaning of Yariiba in their language

Yes, Deji Arakale was beheaded for this reason: by custom, three traditional years (two calendar years) after coronation, a new Oba sends instrument of confirmation to all rulers under the Oba of Benin.

Deji of Akure was one such rulers under Benin. This was in 1818. The envoy of Benin called Chief Osague was killed by Deji.
Of course Oba of Benin asked for Deji's head and got it.

The story of Oyo or whoever in the matter is mere embellishment.

It did not change the fact that the boundary between Oyo and Benin empires remained at Otun Ekiti in Northern Ekiti until 1897.

People bearing tributes from Akure to Benin in 1914 upon restoration of the monarchy were physically turned back by British authorities. I prefer to argue with dates, not just speculate.

I am at home both in Benin and Eastern Yorubaland. So I know both sides.

Again, it is for silent readers following.

codemaniacs:
Egba is a kingdom/town/village within the Oyo empire same with ife, Oko which binis corrupted to eko, abeokuta e.t.c...

it was not about 'unity', Oyo empire always granted autonomy to some villages/towns/kingdoms, the same autonomy was granted to the binis to establish their kingdom/town/villages...

Yorubas are never ever about unity, they believe every person can be and should be allowed to be independent and work peacefully with others...

OK I will wait for others to come and confirm their being part of Oyo empire.

Oh boy you sabi lie o. Lai Mohammed Na apprentice for your hand. Chai.

Eko is an ancient Benin word for camp. Another word is Ago. Which also gave rise to Ago Enibode or sentry came that is today Aganebode in Edo North.
Benin territory names of old are littered with military terms of old.

Iamgrey5:
@ emboldened shows you know nothing

There is no such thing as Yariiba or Yoruba in Hausa or Fulani Language.

The Yaribaza slag which roughly translates to " Yoruba bastards" was formed when Awolowo played opposition to the coalition of Hausa and igbo government in the first republic. .

I repeat Oba of Lagos has no Land of his own in Lagos. Hence, he needs to form political affiliations for relevance.

Because Benin were not looking for Lebensraum. Everywhere Benin went to rule, they had no interest in land grab. They didn't even want Benin Language spoken by New subjects. Benin also resisted mass migration of Benin people. Even introducing Iwu or body tattoo to identify Benin people.

Abeg stop lying. Ya.riba is far older than recent political issues between Awo and Hausa/Fulani.
Perhaps it's your Yoruba writers that know nothing. Public place is awash with how Yoruba came about.

codemaniacs:
now you have reduced yourself to insults because you have not proof or points..

during that era there was an OYO identity.

the term Yoruba or Yaruba comes from the Yoruba deity Oya. Yoruba is a combination of Ayo/Oya and oru and Oba.

it means the Joy of God/Goddess/Kings/queens.
it also mean the work of God/Goddess/Kings/queens.

Yorubas always combine words and they existed in the Oyo empire which had many kingdoms within it.

That Ayo Oya story to remove stigma of traitor. Never heard it from my people in Eastern Yorubaland. Why did Egba resist such a name for so long and used to write Yoruba and Egba if the name is so wonderful?

It became acceptable out of pragmatism for 'unity' and as the awareness of traitor tag waned.

Of a truth, Yoruba initially referred to Oyo. Of course they had the most contact with Muslims up North.

codemaniacs:
if all this is true then binis will be speaking portuguese. so it is a big lie to make you guys have a false and fake sense of history.

all African towns had organized villages and huts... the same portuguese that enslaved black brazilians in that era would have enslaved the binis if they ever had contact with the binis. every european was interested in the slavery and colonialism of black people especially in that era..

Oh actually Benin elite people spoke Potuguese pidgin until late 19th century.

How do you think a word like sabi or over sabi came into pidgin English? Why do you think Niger Delta still shape pidgin? Because pidgin European languages have a long history there.

Sabi comes from Portuguese saber, which is "to know". From old Latin that today is Saber in Spanish, savoir in French and Sabere in Italian.

Many of us don't just speak pidgin in SS. The words were known to our ancestors hundreds of years back. Of course English later displaced Portuguese. Until 1918, end of First World War, Togo, and much of Cameroon spoke German as German colonies. French has since displaced German.

I write my epistle not for those who argue blindly but for reasonable people silently reading.

codemaniacs:
they do not born any benin king, queen or person well to take over lagos due to the large population of Yorubas in that area.

note that people in the country benin republic are also yorubas. any attack on any yoruba village or town in that era will have resulted in the surrounding villages taking revenge and yorubas in that era had the strongest military force in west Africa.

Yoruba is where you see educated people but not enlightened. They assume they know better and thereby rush into arguments.

At that point there was no Yoruba identity in 16th century. It was Awori, Ijebu, Egba, Oyo, Owo, Ekiti, Ife, etc. Hausa people later called the above group of people Ya.riba, meaning traitors, untrustworthy.

Go to Idugaran and find out about history of Lagos.

LASG might the have the history on its website. It had it during Fashola regime.

codemaniacs:
the Yorubas taught the binis everything they know today...

the british were not here to trade or any useless missionary work..

what did they have that the Africans did not already have

the british and their e:uropean friends came to Africa to steal, to kill and to destroy Africa and replace the indigenous population.

Educate yourself better. To avoid embarrassment publicly. The Portuguese initially had no interest in colonialism or slavery in Africa.

America that later needed slaves to work plantations was not discovered yet.

The British only reached Benin in 1553. It was their surprise at the organisation and superb administration that they penned it down as Benin City.
No Yoruba town had anything close around that time.

When Benin had an Embassy in Lisbon, produced a priest trained in Lisbon, the prince who later as king founded Eko, was trained as a priest too, Navigator/sailor at the Royal Military Academy in Portugal.

CMS founder of Yoruba schools was not even founded yet in UK yet, let alone reaching Yorubaland to bring Education.

Iamgrey5:
So Yorubas never existed in Lagos(Aworis the true owners of Lagos Aka Aromire), Ilaje Land, Ishekiri or Port Novo to be involved in those trade?
Bini Kingdom is not a riveraine Kingdom.

How organised were Aworis? Poor organisation made Benin taking over the area easy. Benin brought the organisation, central administration long established in Benin to Eko. Even Eko that Benin gave the area stuck until Portuguese later came and named it Lagos for the lagoon.

Almost everywhere would have had aboriginal people, from America to Australia. Today date Ottawa, New York or Sidney were founded are not given as dates aborigines founded them, but when the organised Europeans arrived.

As Benin not being a riverine place, an important River in Delta State is still called Benin River. Ughoton or Gwatto River Port from where Oba Ovonramwen boarded a ship to exile to Calabar is near Benin.

Remember by this point in history, riverine people still considered the inland Oba as their father. Especially the Urhobo who left Benin area not quite 150 years earlier

Iamgrey5:
What were Bini trading with Europeans in 1480?

Pepper, Benin cloth, ivory, etc and of course they Brought European goods. Europeans were shown in bronze castings back then. Benin way of documenting things.

At that point Europeans had twin motives in Africa : Trade and missionary work. The foundation of West Africa's oldest cathedral, the Holy Aruosa Cathedral in Benin dated from 1470s

The Americas (North, Caribbean and South) were not even discovered yet, so no slave trade yet.

MrOjay1:
i have always thought it was the yorubas(the ones living in Lagos) that first came in contact with the Europeans.

And the Europeans also lived long in YorubaLand(Lagos) before permeating other regions.

They stayed long enough in Lagos to establish the first mission school(Badagry and CMS)...so why weren't their surnames influenced?

When Benin, some Niger Delta Coast were already trading with Europeans from 1470s and 1480s, Lagos was not even founded yet.

Benin soldiers founded a military camp they named 'Eko', in the 16th century and did not become that relevant till later. Especially slave trade from Badagry more in the late 17th to early 19th century.

With Ode Itsekhiri founded in 1480, Itsekhiri also gradually became major middlemen in business with Yoruba.

Clearly Ijaw and other riverine people had more sustained contact and trade with Europeans.

The European names common in Lagos are due to slave returnees especially from Brazil and others via Sierra Leone. Many returnees later totally gave up European slave names and not recognisable today.

MrOjay1:
i have always thought it was the yorubas(the ones living in Lagos) that first came in contact with the Europeans.

And the Europeans also lived long in YorubaLand(Lagos) before permeating other regions.

They stayed long enough in Lagos to establish the first mission school(Badagry and CMS)...so why weren't their surnames influenced?

When Benin, some Niger Delta Coast were already trading with Europeans from 1470s and 1480s, Lagos was not even founded yet.

Benin soldiers founded a military camp they named 'Eko', in the 16th century and did not become that relevant till later. Especially slave trade from Badagry more in the late 17th to early 19th century.

With Ode Itsekhiri founded in 1480, Itsekhiri also gradually became major middlemen in business with Europeans.

Clearly Ijaw and other riverine people had more sustained contact and trade with Europeans.

gregyboy:
In the other thread am currently following a Yoruba guy included edo in south west maps, na the issue i dey solve there,

The problem with yorubas is mist are not educated

Lol which thread is the map on?

While Yoruba have many educated folks, it is the poorly enlightened, half educated or non-educated ones that show themselves so ignorantly in public.

But in Nigeria nobody originated anything except Yoruba.
As much as I like our Yoruba people to excel and create many things, not everything should be hurriedly and condescendingly claimed.

Other tribes were not looking at Yoruba ayanyan all these millenniums doing nothing.

I trust to see one Nupe or Gbagyi person claiming Yoruba rush here huffing and puffing like puff adder soon.

gregyboy

Pr0cter:
I ran into this thread to see the video of ex finance minister dancing naked but video I no see?

JidennaJason:
Your type will encourage all sorts of immoralities and betrayal of trust....

Learn how to live upright.

Na normal thing for them these days. It may shock you but does not surprise them. Many are at it.

That is why about 35% of first born kids belong to another man outside.

@ Whiteball hope you will be happy to potentially raise kids that are not his.

JidennaJason:
Your type will encourage all sorts of immoralities and betrayal of trust....

Learn how to live upright.

Na normal thing for them these days. It may shock you but does not surprise them. Many are at it.

That is why about 35% of first born kids belong to another man outside.

@ Op, hope you will be happy to potentially raise kids that are not his.

Greenbirth:
No is not a good idea to move on just like that as many of you are saying. Sometimes is good to show these vagina girls some strange things they have not seen before.

A man will do all things for them but when it reaches their turn to reciprocate they will back off.

Abi?

Moving on is good. But the lady needs to be divorced properly and property issue sorted. Not dagbo dagbo divorce. I pity the new man she has married in a bigamous marriage.

As for church, Just forget. Business centre.

Lankybaby:
All the best

Amen!

But young lady you can trust me.

OK.

Make una look well o. Before dem carry low grade Novichok mixed with supposed vaccine give una.

Newerakings:
This is a comedy na... A persons there are comedians. Not real pls

Will they ever look b4 they display their normal primitive bigotry and tribalism?

SoccerUSA:
As seen in the topic, I have two friends that travelled to the U.S, One travelled 2014 and the other one 2017, though before they left we had a good vibes we were both close if not best friends before they left.

The one of 2014 stopped texting me at 2018 or so even when I wished him birthday wishes and same with the other. I knew this because I only texted them on Facebook and you will know when they read and not reply.

I don't hold any grudges against them though
Did you guys think it's normal? Like if I leave Nigeria, Would I also ignore my friends text even if they do not request anything from me?

Please can someone just explain to me so I won't see my friends (maybe former friends) as bad ones.

Listen carefully. They now have many other things to worry about.

You are not the only friend they have. From experience with their other friends, most eventually become demanding. They take the beautiful pictures to mean that those abroad have made it. People just trying to settle down.

Those who complain most certainly won't admit how demanding they are. Those demands become overwhelming. With so many demands, some can decide to turn their back on all but a few understanding ones. We have all been there.

Leave them alone if not responding. If you were good friends back in 9ja, water will eventually find its level.