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POTUT: Must say these are quite witty answers from the sheikh.

I'm not a muslim. I have often wondered the reasons behind some customs in Islam. I imagine o could ask the same questions if I were to meet the sheikh. Below are further questions to the sheikh:

1. Not everyone is allowed to approach or shake the queen Elizabeth, but she may choose to shake our honor whomsoever she wishes. As the british queen has been introduced into this logic (even though Islam is older than the emergence of the british queen as a powerful monarch in the absence if a make successor to the british throne), are women in Islam allowed to utilize this privilege too?

2. If sweets can used to symbolize women, does this mean they are consumables? Especially as no mention of the covering or exposure of men was made.

3. I agree with the logic that the glory of God is too bright that when out of present, you do not require the sun. No man has seen God.

4. If the wine is forbidden, and is at the same time referred to as the "daughter", does this imply that muslim men are not allowed to marry muslim girls? Or conversely, that muslim girls are meant for non muslims to marry?
This arises directly from the sheikh's response, because he rejects the wine (daughter) that came from the grape (wife)...but the wine (daughter) must get married some time.

I'm not in any way ridiculing Islam, I'm simply responding to the specific analogy used. Perhaps there are better answers out there to the non muslim's questions.

Exactly. The answers dont quite match the questions.

1. Queen Elizabeth is a monarch and she actually waves and shakes ppls hands. Ppl have met her from the average crowd and a few have even been invited to have tea with her on occasion so that is not a good description.

2. You can gaze at the sun with UV shades (even just shortly) and you can see the sun if you partially close your eyes. So that is not even a suitable excuse for the lack of ability to gaze upon God. In fact that is the most stupid of all the answers.

3. I have nothing to say about the sweet situation. Comparing women to sweets is just WRONG. To be devoured and consumed And where do womens rights come in? What about men? Why arent they subjected to such indecent dressing laws like women?

4. The wine-wife-daughter analogy doesnt even answer the question. A more appropriate answer would be to address the alcoholic content of wine and the dangers of drinking as opposed to talking nonsense about wives and daughters

The cleric was talking nonsense and everyone was creaming their pants to this . He was probably high on shisha

vedaxcool: Yep, in essence it says a man appreciate women who dress decently, people tend to respect nuns without knowing who they are because their appearance gives us confidence on what to expect from them, likewise our musilmah are respected even in places like America,the sweet analogy indicates people have less regard for women who dress indecently compared to women who present themselves well covered!

maclatunji: Her attractively coloured wrapping is her intelligence, her aroma is her decorum and so on and so forth.

Maclatunji said it has to do with intelligence, you state it has to do with decent dressing

Perhaps the cleric wasnt clear in his description

So much for dumb bunnies

But if he had used Mohammed there would have been all out riots and fatwas declared on him etc.

All muslims know why he didnt use Mohammed. He is a hypocrite.

obadiah777: PROVERBS 28 VS 9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

I thought you guys all agreed that the old testament had been abolished... so why do you keep quoting it to atheists

vedaxcool: I hope people don't get hypertension over what they read here, as the clerics provided simple analogies that can easily be understood even by the most dumbest bunny in dumbs-ville!

Really? Dumbest bunnies eh!!!! So what is your explanation for the sweets example?

Loving this

So are Xtians actually Jews or not

Also, if the old testament is abolished, what about tithing

No one is buying your fraudulent propaganda. Another tithe robber in the making.

Rapmoney: The manner in which some people practise their own version of Christianity makes me wonder!
This applies mostly to the pentecostal groups. Why should somebody stay in church doing one thing or the other
all in the name of working for the Lord all through the day, 7 days a week, 30/31 days of the month and 365 days of the year?
These people don't go to work and most of them look so wretched. The funny thing is that their pastors who they seem to do
'eye service' for live better than them in all ramifications. God that created man commanded man to work...in Acts of the Apostles,
Apostle Paul made it clear that 'he who does not want to work, let him not eat'. In Ecclesiastes, it is also made clear that there
is time for everything. What this means is that there is time to be in church, whether sweeping or cleaning the premises, praying
or what have you and still a time to be working so that you can earn money and take care of yourself and your loved ones. I know of a relation some years back who spent all her time in church, 24/7, 365 while others were working. Today, she can't even pay her bills - common light (PHCN) bills!!!

Why do some Christians equate Christianity to Laziness?

Maybe they are not lazy but misguided. If they are working in the church then that shows they have the capacity to work. If they can channel that energy to something more fruitful they might be more successful.

Also, they might be intellectualy lazy. I see ppl abandoning logic and reason for the spiritually carnal pleasures of the church

They spend in excess of 40% of their income and a great deal of their man hours in the church yet they wonder why life is getting harder and finances tighter. All the time spent fasting through the night and praying fervently could be better used to develop their knowledge in certain fields and other practical skills. How many have read non-religious books. They have no time to take training courses in their professions. How many even know the history of xtianity itself, how it came about, the council of nicaea and other ecumenical councils, the great schism, the crusades, protestant reformation, genesis of their church? Some dont even know the doctrines of their church.

musKeeto: Welcome back, u and cyrexx just miss for sometime....

Yeah. I was planning to quit nairaland due to heavy schedule but I will be on very lightly.

nuorlah: He dodged them only becauae you are not reasonable

How am I not reasonable?

He didnt answer one question. He just gave some tales by moonlight analogies with no REAL discernable relationship with the topics at hand.

maclatunji: Her attractively coloured wrapping is her intelligence, her aroma is her decorum and so on and so forth. Go out more, you will see different sizes, colours and styles of Hijab.

Obsession with women being covered is something else amongst Non Muslims.

Really? Intelligence? I got the impression it was more to do with dressing style and being objectified as a sex object. Being covered means you are not being viewed in a dirty sleazy manner and hence have better value... or something along those lines.

There are some different styles etc but some Islamic countries tend to be radical with their application of these. Black is the most preferred colour because it attracts the least amount of vitriol and criticism.

And where does the woman come into all of this? At what point do they decide if they want to wear it or not?


The reason there is an obsession is because we believe it is an outdated law. It does not apply to the modern world.

aurenflani: Pity what a sorry life; what a lost soul.

Well why dont you give us some answers without using silly stories.

The person asked good questions and expected solid answers.... not esoteric babble.

And why would anyone marvel at such stupidity too?

To compare a sweet to a lady? Hmmm. What about the wrapping of the sweet? It can be wrapped in any appealing colour... so why do muslim women have to wear black hijabs etc.

None of the silly stories answer any of the questions asked... neither do they make sense.

So who were the recipients of his "sacred milk"

ooman: There are fake believers because the whole idea of God is fake and genetically engineered by early men. You still follow primitive thinking and live in the primitive way of life.

When will you wake up to the truth that there is no God. There is only us and things that we can see and work with.

Good to see you back. Where have you been

Do you still worship the flying spaghetti

@OP

Sounds reasonable. But with the diversity within Xtianity how do we know what is real and what is not... or who is genuine and who is not? It is getting harder and harder to differentiate between the two.

Your focus should be more related to the appropriate practices of true xtians and how to encourage such.

timifakay: @ Frosbel Matt. 5: 10- Blessed are they which are persecuted for rightheousness sake for: for thiers is the kingdom of heaven.

Arian was persecuted for righteousness sake . Is his the kingdom of Heaven?

@OP
To be a xtian you need to first believe in God the almighty, creator of the heavens and the earth.

Also, believe in the son of God. Christ.

And finally believe in the Holy GHOST.

Not to mention Heaven and Hell.

The devil and his evil.

Those who obey Gods law through Abraham (the old testament) and Christs law (The Testament) will go to Heaven.

Those who do not will go to hell.

I think the Catholics during their baptism ceremony summarise the basics.

The tithe robbing pastors and their followers will not be pleased.

toba: Beautiful. What does Jesus represent? If u can answer this, then u'll understand my point. What was Jesus' Message? Who is Jesus? who is a christian? What is Jesus' message to the world? Did he come and established himself or the principles of God? Ans and you'll see why im very correct

It sounds all JUICY but I think you are in the minority here. I have been told that I am going to hell regardless of my actions.

Ubenedictus: be kaiful oh, are u God? Though i don't condemn pipo to hell, i dont claim to know they wont go to hell. Dat matter is for God to decide in both justice and mercy, quit predicting d eternal destiny of odas.

Ok. Suppose they were righteous in all manners and actions except their belief in Christ, would they be heaven bound or hellbound? Dont you Catholics believe in purgatory? What is that all about?

striktlymi: Good morning Atheist,

You have missed quite a few "best sellers" but I hope you went through Logigic's 'Atheist letter to Muslims'? If you haven't then you have missed a lot!

Really? I might have to check out the old threads.

I have seen Logicboys atheist letter thread. A good solid letter that I believe should be used to tackle key issues in Islam relating to extremism and violence.

maclatunji: *Yawns*

So I take it you agree.

vedaxcool: ^
Islam has condemned extremism from day one of its existence, till this very moment muslims have done a lot in refuting extremist views, it is ignorant people like the op et al, that would wake up one day and begin speaking out of reality when in fact they need to prescribe solutions to their uncontrollable ability to manufacture lies and distort reality (just like you are doing), before one goes running his mouth on a problem, he needs to know what has been done, I am least surprised knowing the antecedents of the op!

Have YOU condemned any of these types?

What can be done to make Islam a more tolerant religion?

I am a practical person. I dont believe in lip service. What you see is different from what is on ground. Ppl are being killed in a lot of countries in the name of Islam. It is time TRUE muslims stood uo against this nonsense. NO MORE EXCUSES.

@OP.

The real debate is related to how it is applied. Go to Yobe, approach 10 mosques and preach this jihad sermon.

If you return safely we might take you more seriously. Ppl are being killed in the name of jihad. This lengthy sermon has little relevance until the killings are addressed.

Logicboy03: I dont know why blacks still follow this slave master religion. Furthermore, the hate of simple science that shows that all humans came from africa and were originally black is beyond me.

DNA testing and archaeology has confirmed this. Where the hell did the bible get the garden of eden story from?

vedaxcool: www.nairaland.com/1180438/blasts-el-rufai-jesus-comment-twitter

Bigots can go over to that thread and like CAN some more! Atlest the man tried involved apologized over a comment that was clearly misconstrued and wasn't meant to be a joke about Jesus but a criticism of how govt. Spokes persons behave when criticized, but trust the atheist op and his christians cheer leaders to take things out of context! Anyway it was wrong thing to do bringing religious personality into such discourse!

I think the OP is 100% right. Some muslims say vile things about xtianity and Christ (as well as other religions) but it does not lead to their deaths or deaths of other muslims. The violence associated with Islam is an issue to be addressed by the moderate muslims. So rather than trying to dodge the question you should admit that some muslims take these things too far and start discussing how we all can address this. Also add extremist race hate preachers to the topic too.

striktlymi: Yeah thanks! Welcome back!

What have I missed?

Why dont you take the lead

striktlymi: ^^^
Long time friend! Hope you fine?

Im fine, hope you are ok too?

@OP

Maybe you need to give us more info on the situation. Maybe take and upload a pic too? There is no way to know one way or another.

tbaba1234: Can I answer with scriptural quotes? It is more awesome that way...

If you prefer. You can add your interpretation along with it.

Mavrick2012: Atlist we were born into earth b4 we bgan xplorin it,maybe wen we get their we wil get to undastand d answers 2 al d questns u posted above.4 now lets remain inside d womb(earth).LOL

But you must have some sort of expectations of heaven right

Pointless and silly.

None of these are reasonable explanations. The Imam is just using rhetoric to dodge the questions.

tpia@:
youth and innocence can be two totally different things.

nuff said.

So are you in support of or against her popping her cherry?