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cmoney22222:
Op. Pls suggest sch that does this conversation/top up pls.

Thanks

Most of the schools that do it are in South West, like Southwestern University of Nigeria, Bells University of Technology etc

hakeem4:
First hnd people are trained for industry not academia, so they can’t become lecturers. Except they get their advance study

2) hnd are qualified for Coren. It’s just that they’d be registered as technologists (which is what they’re trained for)

3) maybe those countries don’t require their skills set
4)because they’re are trained to be on field so I don’t see the reason why they’re to be placed in managerial positions

We're saying the same thing!!! All what you listed here are the limitations that HND Graduates are attempting to avoid by opting for a Bachelor Degree through Top Up program.

Myer:
I had to re-read the OP. You're right.
I misconstrued the meaning of conversion.

Since it's simply an opportunity for HND holders to get a BSc through an added program, then it's a very good idea.
I thought the implication was for FG to simply convert the paper/document from HND to BSc.

Thanks.

So you can see that NUC is over reaching this time, Overtime HND Graduates have suffered uncontrollable limitations in their careers for no reason simply because they don't have a Bachelor's Degree.

And it's never been about Inferiority complex, it has always been about career limitations within and outside Nigeria, it's time to break barriers, HND Graduates go and get your Barchelors Degree and be at par with your counterparts.

Myer:
That is not the only solution.
You want the benefits of BSc, then get a BSc at a University.
You want the prize without paying the price and sacrifice.

The country no doubt failed the HND holders by not providing the suitable industries for them to thrive and prosper as they used to. But the solution is not to convert the degree since they are different degrees.

The solution
On the part of FG/SG- Is to fix the industries for HND holders to thrive.
On the part of the HND holder- get admission into University to get the benefits of BSc.

We're saying the same thing, conversion means securing admission in an accredited University and obtaining your Bachelor's Degree.

Myer:
And the solution is to convert it?
Who does that?

Of course yes, the only solution is to convert it and enjoy the benefits that BSc holders get too.

BoboNogoDie:
Lol
Ọdẹ olodo
Na inferiority complex go kee u

Whether you like it or not, HND Graduates will obtain their Bachelor's Degree

If you like call it Inferiority complex

Myer:
Well said and powerfully instructive points.
HND holders who take their courses seriously usually fair better than BSc holders on the field because they are more grounded in the technicalities and hands-on practicals.
While some BSc courses like wise afford technicalities and practical, the focus is ually more theoretical.

So converting HND to BSc is actially ludicrous and asinine to say the least.

To idea alone reeks of intellevctual decadence and high sense of insecurity of the minds that conceived it.
But then again, this country has been upside down since the 80s and writer rightly noted.

By God's Grace,Nigeria's name is changing from Ichabod to Greater Glory in Jesus name. Amen

Please be realistic, HND Graduates have so much limitations in Nigeria, e.g

HND Graduates can't become Lecturers in Nigeria even if they Obtain PGD and MSc.
HND Graduates are not eligible for PTDF Scholarships and all other federal and state government scholarships for MSc studies.
HND Graduates are not eligible for COREN.
HND Graduates are not eligible for the various Job Seeker Visas introduced by many countries.
HND Graduates don't go beyond Level 14 in Federal and State civil service.

So you can see that it's not about inferiority mindset, it's about opportunities passing you buy in the Nigerian system which you can easily make right by opting for a Top Up program

OLULAW:
There is no where in the world where parity exists between HND and BA/BSc. They're two different programmes with different learning outcomes. If you cannot be admitted to a university and you went to Poly to gain ND/HND, to gain a unuverdity degree in the same subject, you'll have to undertake prescribed number of units before being awarded the degree. This is what overseas universities call top up. But you simply cannot convert HND to BA/BSc, it's not a currency.

Conversion and Top Up means the same thing.

I'm currently running a conversion program and it's 4 semesters so there's no argument here.

It's like some people are not Happy that HND graduates now have a Pathway to obtain a Bachelor's Degree and enjoy the benefits that comes with it.

MadamExcellency:
A Technical school craftsman is better than a University Engineer in an Oil company. That is the experience of 85% of Expatriates.

Why should HND convert to a Bachelor of Engineering?

Is it your conversion

Let HND holders convert to BSc in peace ✌️✌️

advanceDNA:
HD holders are the one making themselves feel inferior... Both certificates are not the same.....

...I don't understand why diploma holders want to be seen degree holders without going to a university ...

Oga there's Top Up degree are recognized everywhere in the world.
Do you know the barriers that HND poses to it's holders??

doghorp:
Thats my only option that sue my job( Working and Learning) and the cost is what i can afford. it is also close to my current career i would have done my masters in Applied Geophysics.

Spot on

Zoey1:
There are several schools in the UK that accepts HND.

That's the problem, why should a HND Graduate limit his options just to UK, with a BSc you can study Masters in any country of your choice.

Encourage HND Graduates to obtain their BSc in Nigeria in 1 or 2 years so that they will have ample options for themselves.

doghorp:
Getting a degree matter even where I am currently working as Technician when you see the Salary of HND Graduate and Degree Graduate, you will know why you need a Degree I already have OND Mechanical Engineering, HND Mechanical Engineering Bsc Physics but currently doing NBTE Top up Degree Mechanical Engineering.

Nice one, you have faced the reality!!!
There's no point living in denial, I don't know why Nigerian Universities don't want to introduce this Top Up program, now the Indian Universities are cashing out with it.

Even the NUC has so much disdain for HND Graduates

erad:
Ignorance is a disease.
Especially to people who ought to know better.

islamics:
Did you try the current conversion programme by NBTE? That is, changing the HND to BSC. It is a year program I think.

I'm running it in Southwestern University of Nigeria Ikeja Campus,

The NBTE option is expensive, it's a minimum of 1,100 USD.

visaclick:
The op is right. Think of polytechnic as a back yard way of saying “hey you, the uni rejected u right, well come we can get you something equally as better but promise us you won’t tell anyone you got it from us”😁🤣🤣🤣🤣

True talk

littyprincess:
5 months isn’t feasible. Budget 10 months- 1year minimum if you don’t want to waste your money.

Very True, I didn't want to say this in order not to discourage anyone but littyprincess just hit the nail at the right spot

Even for people that immersed themselves in a francophone country, it took them a minimum of 6 months of studies and preparation to ace TEF exams let alone someone living in Nigeria, give yourself a year at least.

Being Bilingual is a life long skill that can even enable you to get a Job Offer abroad from Nigeria.

ihatebuhari:
i think you should be the one that needs a better life not me.


You live in shithole lol

Offpointng:
We have a family friend who travelled to Canada August. Before she was bout leaving, she wanted to resign from her work (she had a good FG job actually), wanted to sell her Car and landed properties just to spons her travel to Canada. She was advised strongly not to do all of that. Thank God she listened and never sold any of her properties, instead of resigning, she applied for a long leave and settle those she needed to settle and left her Kids behind.

Guess what?? She called after a Month to jist us how overhyped Canada summarily is, seeing lotta Nigerians and other Africans sleeping on the streets. to even get a $10 per hour job gan is very hard. House rent nko? on the high side and the job she managed to get a cleaning job with pay that can only pay her monthly rent with little or nothing left to cover the long monthly expenses. Those she's staying with atm sef don dey give sign pe how far, when you go fit comot?

Anyways, she's coming back to Nigeria December to come and pick up where she stopped. Just Imagine for a moment she sold all her worth bfr relocating??

Allah ba, Abroad can never amuse me no matter how rosy it's painted or how worse Nigeria might seem. I still believe there are possibilities to make it here.

First of all, tell us the type of Visa she used to enter Canada

If she entered with a Tourist or Visit Visa then she would definitely suffer because that's the same thing those homeless Nigerians in Canada are facing!!! Tourist or Visit Visa doesn't entitle you to any working rights in Canada so you go suffer

My sister Canada is not over hyped, those that came in as Permanent residents or other types of residence permit are living their lives happily.

Secondly, In developed countries If you're not a Medical Doctor, Nurse, Pharmacist, IT Professional, Radiographer, Medical Laboratory Scientist, Welder, Carpenter, Truck Driver, Certified and Experienced Engineer, Highly Skilled Sports Professional etc
You will only be left with survival jobs like factory work, cleaning, construction laborer, cemetery attendants, waiter/waitress etc. But if you have a residence permit you can learn a relevant skill so that you take up a professional job.

Nigerians don't like to publicly take responsibility for their actions or inactions She probably entered with a wrong Visa or is not skilled in any of the above mentioned professions.

I know hundreds of people that migrated to Canada and are living happily, but going abroad is not for everyone actually, if you don't have what it takes to thrive there, just remain in Naija.

Fahvvy:
I like this OP ...

After some people had called him all sort of names, he was able to convince them otherwise ...

OP, please demand an apology from those people ...

Justice for OP💪


But on a serious note sha ..
There's so much truth to what the OP is saying ...

They don't know that I'm very grounded with the way things work in Nigeria

Things have changed unlike back in the days.

I don't see any reason why anyone should even go to a Polytechnic in Nigeria now, we have a lot of Private and Public Universities everywhere now With a minimum of 180 Jamb points you're good to go.

saheed2002:

What of a degree bachelor that cannot practice his/her profession? 

It doesn't Matter, the bottom line is to have Bachelor's Degree so that you can properly fit into formal system in Nigeria and across the world.

Even if you are self-employed you keep your Degree certificate in a box somewhere

https://www.pulse.ng/news/local/remove-hndbsc-dichotomy-or-scrap-hnd-programmes-nbte-boss-tells-fg/qgnsst8

Dracula123:
Thank God you know about ACCA

Guy I don tey for this Naija system

System202:
U are right op, but what about Btech

Btech is fine.

Btech, BSc, BA or BEng are all fine.

HND Graduates should find a way to add any of the above to their profile.

visaclick:
The op is right. Think of polytechnic as a back yard way of saying “hey you, the uni rejected u right, well come we can get you something equally as better but promise us you won’t tell anyone you got it from us”😁🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dracula123:
I have HND
I am a chartered accountant
I can earn as high as the market offers
I got admission to study MBA in uni Abuja with my HND and ICAN.
Don't mislead people
A Bsc graduate can't earn more than me because he went to a university. He can only do so if he has more experience.
Be guided

Guy you need a BSc to make your profile complete, let's not start the earning part please.
Zenith Bank, Stanbic IBTC, UBA, Wema Bank, GTB, Access Bank, Sterling Bank, MTN, Glo, 9Mobile etc don't employ HND graduates as core staff, they only employ HND Graduates on casual or contract basis so what do you have to say about this.

Please I'm not disparaging you or your career, I believe you are matured enough to absorb a strong feedback, you obviously have a good career going on for you, please abandon that MBA and get your BSc, it's just a year or maximum 2 years, you can later go for MSc or MBA.

Better still, you can become ACCA certified and you automatically be awarded Bachelor's Degree from Oxford Brookes University.

Even Tech professionals that work remotely are obtaining their bachelors degree.

ItisWell22:
Same way I strongly advise young kids against going to schools of nursing.

Just go for BNSC straight up.

Except for those who have already found themselves in the system, like I was many years ago.




😢

As in!!!
Nigeria is just unbelievable. There are certain things that we can change even without breaking the bank.

Why can't NUC and Nursing Council come together and create a Pathway for Graduates of Nursing and Midwifery Schools to obtain their BSc even after becoming Registered to practice

NOUN Abuja and ABU Zaria currently run BSCN distance learning program for registered nurses only. Within 2 years you will obtain your Degree.

PinkNature:
Didn't go for HND. Everyone thought I was a mad man when I decided to get a jamb form to restart from scratch.

Radiography is a smart one, Radiographers are in high demand all over the world

PinkNature:
Only a few will understand. Some even go as far as selling the lie that polytechnic graduates are well grounded in practicals.

Hahaha, a 2.2 university graduate have the probability of getting more pay than the best polytechnic graduate if they're both employed in the same place of work.

NB: I attended a polytechnic, but currently running a university program because I know what's up.

We're in the same shoes, I'm currently running a degree program too after many years of holding a HND certificate.

The talk of HND graduates being grounded in Practicals is just self consolation and a narrative to make innocent parents to keep wasting their hard earned money on their wards for the Polytechnic system.

Even COREN that certifies Engineers only certify university graduates.

franchasofficia:
Now you have made great points which I strongly agree with you, and the more reason Nigerian government needs to change Polytechnic academic structure and stop it at OND.


They need to scrap HND, let the Polytechnic stop at OND.



I understand you better now, but the manner you wrote your first post was dehumanizing and demoralizing to those who already have HND or in the process of obtaining one, which isn't fair to them

Intending HND graduates will still face Dehumanization and Demoralization in their future Academic and Professional pursuits anyways

That's why I'm awakening whoever cares to listen to act now, The government will not resolve this issue for you, As a HND Graduate, just look for a Private university nearby and continue with your studies, in 2 years you would have obtained your Degree which is equivalent to any Degree across the world.

Better still, NBTE has introduced a Top Up program to help HND graduates, It's just a year program, If you have the Money do it and eliminate the dark days of being a HND Graduate in Nigeria.

2cul2care:
The way you guys openly display your ignorance, even universities abroad recognize HND, and is accepted for master studies

Only a few Universities in the UK and US accept HND for Masters, and such HND graduates must have significant work experience.

For US, they must do WES Evaluation.

The Whole of Europe, Canada, South America, Australia, Asia, Africa etc don't accept HND for Masters.

franchasofficia:
Tinubu your current President doesn't even have a verifiable certificate to talk of diploma cum degree.


Kwankwaso is an HND holder.


Olusegun Obasanjo is an HND holder.


Your former President Buhari is also a Diploma holder not a degree holder.



Don't demoralize those with HND because thousands of them end far better than Bsc holders at the end of the day.



You just acquired a Bsc after your HND and feel you have arrived or that you now have the right to shame your fellow HND holders, don't you know that's sign of someone who will not go far in life?

Contrary to your assumption, I'm actually trying to save a generation here, but I need to make them uncomfortable and awaken their minds with a piercing sharp arrow.

Nigerians are too docile to develop themselves

Remember that once you choose Polytechnic Education you have forfeited all STEM professions, You can't even be an Academician.
This is why we have a generation of unemployable youth in the country.

You can't advance STEM education with the Nigerian Polytechnic system, it's just a SCAM.

It's a lie to say HND Graduates fare better than University graduates in Nigeria, The Medical Doctors, Pharmacists, Radiographers, Nurses, Engineers, Professors, Top Management of Companies, Permanent Secretaries are mostly University Graduates.

Enough of making anyone feel better, Go and get your Degree.

ihatebuhari:
lol okay sir. I hope your life is better than all HND graduate.

I guess your former president buhari had a first class degree in law from the University of kastina.


I understand your point but this should be directed to the federal government to scrap Polytechnics and make them offer B.Tech just like what the UK did in the 80s


You shouldn't laugh the people obtaining ND or HND results i guess life happened to them.


I lived here in LA for over 8 years, i didn't even attend any tertiary institution in Nigeria but now I've a degree here in Cali


I must tell you Nigeria and Africa is a shithole compared to los Angeles but i would never laugh the people i can only insult the politicians do you know why because after their tenure they run to the western world. So be considerate when addressing HND graduates. Nigeria is already hard, you can push many to depression with your laugh.


I'm tired of this useless forum it's filled with tribal bigots and unintelligent kids like you. Some of us here just want to laugh and have nostalgia about our birth country so be reasonable

Nigga, Life didn't happen to anyone and I ain't laughing at no one, I mentioned it here that I'm a HND Graduate myself.

But the nail has to be hit at the right spot.

The Federal and State government are using Polytechnics to SCAM citizens with worthless certificates, I want the citizens affected to understand what's going on, they have an option to avoid Polytechnics and choose University Education.

No one is under compulsion to study in a Polytechnic, I wasn't forced to study in a Polytechnic either.

The government has obviously refused to upgrade Polytechnics to award B.Tech degrees, I expect the Citizens to use their intellect and avoid Polytechnics.

We don't need any protest to change things in Nigeria, we just need to avoid being scammed by our Government.