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@image123
You are a confused enemy of the Cross that preaches doctrines of men and of demons. You reject the verses of God that I have quoted. You reject the truth. You reject giving John 3:16 its true meaning. Get ready for judgement day.

@Joagbaje
You blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying everybody's name is in the Book of Life. Again this is heresy.--- EVERYBODY'S NAME IS NOT IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE.

2 Peter 3:9; 1 Tim. 2:3-4 shows that God wants everybody to be saved; but everybody will not be saved (wanting is different from ordaining). God did not want Adam & Eve to eat of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, but it was within His Divine Plan that man will Fall & the Christ slain from from the foundation of the world will come into the world in time to give himself as a ransom for many (but thats another topic).

Man cannot will to be saved my friend because the will of man is corrupt in Adam beyond repair and cannot will salvation!!!

I implied that anyone/everyone can have a go at salvation.

Yes, but true salvation happens when the Holy Ghost puts the desire into your heart to have that go. Again, men must preach the gospel to all nations; God then saves whoever he wills (and will save all if He wills - its all up to Him). But current scriptures show only few shall receive the inheritance. Now you say that everyone can have a go at salvation? think again:

John 10:25-29

"Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me,

but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand."

When we prepare for an outreach, we pray and fast for souls to be saved, If we dont prepare well ,God would only touch few according to our preparation prayerfully. one person may make altar call and thousands come forward , but another person that has lesser grace makes altar calll and just one or two respond.

I agree with you the bolded part especially, but God still foreknew that or else He will not be God.

So We are responsible for the result

Joagbaje, Let me say that this is against the Word of God. We must not reject the truth to meet human standards. To say that we are responsible for the result is to deny God's foreknowledge, omniscience, omni potence and that is BLASPHEMY.

Acts 13:48
    And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Joagbaje, if you notice, I dont want to talk about Hell and this is for a reason, human beings must not speculate the destinies of men. My purpose is to defeat the false teaching that men "Choose Christ"; thats all I am going to talk about. It is undeniable that John 3:16 says that the salvation is available to all but in Act 13:48 we see that only those so ordained received it. And all of you arguing, I will give you more blatant verses (& I am sure you will start arguing that the translation is wrong lol).

"He hath not ordained us to wrath but to receive salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ."

Hebrews 9:15
And for this reason he is mediator of a new covenant, so that, death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, the called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Remember in Ephesians, it says "who saved us and called us". Who saved us [not all] and callued us [not all]; here above in Hebrews 9:15 - it makes reference to the "called". Therefore it means that not everybody is called and by inference saved (it makes reference to those who are called - specific).

"But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:" 2 Thessolonians


Psalm 2:8
    Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
And here is the glorious truth, you ask because your name is already in the Book of Life!!! This is why the Bible says: "No one can come to me unless the Father who hath sent me draw Him"; Jesus repeated this.


I therefore maintain that before the beginning of time, God that Father, God the Son & God the Holy Ghost had a meeting and wrote down in the Book of Life, the names of everybody who MUST be saved (note that I said MUST be saved). These individuals in time, will be drawn to salvation by irressistable grace that the scripture may be fulfilled: "All the Father hath given to me I have lost none".

Image123
Salvation is available to all (John 3:16) but is only effectual for many (not all). This is the truth. To say that everybody will be saved is against the teaching of the Bible. Let us remain on topic scope which is - "Not ordained to life eternal."

@mudley
only post meaningful contributions. do not derail the thread. its mind boggling how retrogresive you are; please remove your rubbish from the thread - what is wrong with you guys. if you are an atheist concentrate on atheist posts - i dont want to waste my time replying to your nonsense - this will be my final response before it degenrates to name calling.

Davidlyan, deepsight, your comments are particularly welcome.

merriam webster dictionary defines "whosoever" as a synonym of "whoever"; i dont need to be a english guru to let you know that "whosoever" & "whoever" does not mean "all".

Image123, read this:

"To God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2[b]who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father[/b], through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:" [1 Peter]

>> "who have been chosen" - implies not all; foreknowledge implies there was no "accepting or choosing Christ". How were they chosen? "Through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and sprinkling by his blood".

Jesus said:

"This is the Blood of the New Covenant shed for many for the remission of sins".

image123, the problem with human beings is that they think they have a standard of righteousness above God; God has the sovereignity to elect[b] certain individuals to life [/b]. False teachers who oppose this truth normally use John 3:16 to back up their doctrine. Please note that "whosoever" does not mean all, in fact, "whosoever" means "not all". "whosoever" is the synonym of "as many as". That is why it says in Acts "As many as were ordained to life eternal believed"; thats why God said to Paul: "I have much people in this City".And when all the specific people were saved, Paul left.

However, men must seek Jesus still and not have to bother about the above, for it is "Gods good pleasure to give you the kingdom". The above doctrine should not discourage men to seek God but is surely taught in the Bible - this is the point I want to get across. My goal is to silence free will apologists and false doctrine teachers.

image123

the difference btw this & what you have just typed is that your oil company example is random while the eternal ordainment of specific individuals to life is specific. they received (not accepted) Christ because they were ordained to receive Him before they were born; what glorious truth!

Contrary to the thinking of false teachers and false prophets on this forum, the Bible is very clear that not everybody is ordained to eternal life & therefore not everybody will be saved. Wicked freewill apologists preach the anti-Bible doctrine that Christ is preached so that men out of their "freewill" "accept" Christ. What these wicked men dont understand is that the names of everybody that must be saved was written before they were born according to the everlasting covenant. men must stop spreading the lie that everybody will get saved.

What province are you based?

Since you are here on a Temporary Visa, you do not need to send your application to Accra. Please for the love of God, do yourself a big favour; some of these questions are easily answered by doing a little bit of "Googling". You need to read thru these program guides and understand the requirements before you submit your applications otherwise you may end up wasting your resources (time and money). Please go to www.cic.gc.ca; this website is probably not new to you, every info you need (including the mailing address) with regards the Quebec program is there. Goodluck!

Delta thanks a lot; but you know Quebec runs their own scheme; they say you must apply to country processing applications for nationals of your country (accra) or place of residence (defined as where you have been legally admitted for 1 year); but I have emailed them to find out.

Guys please I need urgent help. I am in Canada as a student and want to apply to the Quebec skilled worker program (I qualify). I have been in Canada less than 1 year. Do I submit my application for Quebec Selection Certificate to canada office or to accra office? I caanot fly to Accra for the interview. And also, do I need to submit proof of language skills (i.e. TEF) at time of applying for Quebec selection certificate or later?

if i were to get married, the woman gets NOTHING in the pre-nupt agreement for any of my assets; is that allowed by law?

@ Hotstepper im right here in Ottawa! Where you at?

@ aieromon Masters

Guys, just to let you know that exclusively based on advise from this forum; i eventually got my permit & in canada now! first impressions - nice country nice ppl. Hotstepper, Delta 007 and other highly esteemed forumites too numerous to mention - thanks for the great help! feel free to hit me up here in Canada.

people of nairaland, please i want to find out general visitor visa processing time - reliable time frame - how ong does it take after submission of documents to get a general visitor visa decision. thnx.

guys, please how long does it take cdhc to decide on study visa apps? I hope it does not exceed 30 days from your experience does it exceed 30 days. I may ask them for some documents back oh if it exceeds 30 days. nairalanders pls advise on the procedure for doing this.

Hi guys, please I have a question.

1.) When CDHC says DUPLICATE COPY OF BANK STATEMENT, does it mean one original bank statement and submittance of photocopy of the same statement?

2.) What proof can one submit to show he/she has strong ties to home country? I intend to say I am coming back after studies to manage family business - is this enough?

@dogice & jamie55
thanks a lot for the confirmation.

Two questions - MUST Police clearance for Study Permit be from CID HEadquarters in Abuja? Because I went there and they said they only provide Police Clearance for Abuja residents so I obtained one from my home city - do you think this will be acceptable to the High Commission?

@jamie55 can you post a link to a place on their website where it says fee is now 16k?

Thanks.

catsil, gbopemi, lekpa

Please can you tell me the tesst content or how best to prepare: john.goodchild08@gmail.com

urgently needed pls help your brother.

can somebody please confirm for me urgently the CURRENT fee for study permit application in Nigerian Naira and if it should be made payable to "Canadian Deputy High Commission"
thanks.

can somebody please confirm for me urgently the CURRENT fee for study permit application in Nigerian Naira and if it should be made payable to "Canadian Deputy High Commission"
thanks.

nairalanders, does any nigerian university offer distance learning in computer science or related?

@Cristalz

some people do show psychopatic tendencies,

Duroe and all

I couldnt agree more.

Now I see that God is truly all knowing about creation and that the world today is under His control and that Biblical assertions are true and accurate and that God is fair in predestination.

if i were God, i really wouldnt have bothered. just look at the world today. pls no deep religiou stheories. God has predestined everything.

dont talk about what you dont know!

interesting topic, i think Vista is better too.

http://www.amaderforum.com/showthread.php?t=99695

has some downloads including ides, ecc etc. i hope this is not pirated versions?

please where/how can i obtain application forms for UNILAG - Masters degree. thnx.

@Hotstepper
Yeah i know, the issue is that I am applying with 1 year experience and getting 6/8 for french to make the 67 points; in case I am refused the permanent residency application, then if I apply as a student again for study permit, I will most likely be refused since I had already shown immigration intent, its a risky venture, but I think I will proceed to apply for the permanent residency - life is either a daring adventure or nothing. wat do you think?

guys, really need help. want to apply as a student but cant afford the fees. I qualify for the federal skilled worker category now with 67 points (french at 6/. My course starts in january 2010 and here is my dilemma - i want to apply for canadian permanent residency now, hoping it will be processed before december and i will have my PR card; i will then go to canada and pay local fees. But if the permanent residence application is refused, then i will not be granted study permit as i have what they call "dual intent" and immigration intent - proving that i will come back to nigeria becomes difficult. so dear people of naira land, do you advise me to apply for the permanent residency now and take the risk, or to just muster enough money for the masters program.