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obadiah777: AND I REPEAT, BOOKMARK YOU ARE A SCRIPTURAL ILLITERATE

2Cor 11:13-14

13 For such are false
apostles, deceitful
workers, transforming
themselves into the
apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for
Satan himself is
transformed into an
angel of light.

satan can quote the scriptures more than you do and can use of it well more than you are doing now.

He shall cunningly make his followers believe he is for Christ so that when he brings up iniquity, they will certainly not know it.

I know such trick. No matter how long it takes, you will shine the light and bring forth darkness when you have already captured them.

All this man is saying is that the temptation of Christ by satan, the quote and the warnings in the bible makes no meaning cos they are all staged.

This will certainly gladden the hearts of atheists and make them laugh from ear to ear. Not knowing that the angel of darkness is at work.

obadiah777: AND I REPEAT, BOOKMARK YOU ARE A SCRIPTURAL ILLITERATE

The Lord rebuke you!

advocate666/777.

JOB 1 VS 7 And the LORD said
unto Satan, Whence comest
thou? Then Satan answered the
LORD, and said, From going to
and fro in the earth, and from
walking up and down in it. <<
SATAN REPORTING TO THE LORD
AFTER GOING TO AND FRO UP AND
DOWN THE EARTH

The Lord rebuke you!

Were you the one that gave satan an assignment to report to God? What are the millions of God's doing? That satan has the privilege to visit heaven then does not mean he was told to present situation report.

obadiah777: HAD TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE

COLOSIANS 1 VS 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: <<<< RIGHT HERE KILLS YOUR POINT

You made no point here brah. Satan has his purpose which is different from God's. God didn't create anything evil right from the beginning. Seriallink has explained things to you. Study them deeply.

Please oo! Are these people...the Truckpusher and his customer, Diaper, male male abi female female?

Ubenedictus: hahaha, wen u don't address honor and prayer to the image, the image is never an occasion for idolatry. If i am in a prison and d jailors put d physical image of d devil b4 me and i address my prayas to christ and bow my head during d prayer does that mean i worship satan? No it doesnt. In that case d said image is immaterial, if d image help me in recall what i am in christ it is simply a prayer aid.

So you must face the image of the devil and bow to it before you pray to your God? And you must use the image of the devil as a prayer aid to remember Christ?

You can't even think again. Since bowing to any image is now part what catholic teach, it doesn't matter.

When God said "make no image of anything and bow to it..." He didn't say "make no image of anything and pray to it". Making such images in the first place is a disobedient to God not to talk of using is as prayer aid.

LemonBoy1: D trinitarians / catholics in ds thread need nt waste their strength nd time xplaining the HOLY TRINITY, reasn because " Its beyond Human reasoning nd comprehension" nd dts y here in Catholic Church its called "the Mystrey of The Holy Trinity" sch dt even His Holiness (The Pope) himself won't venture exhausting ds issue for fear of blasphemy sef. So my fellow trinitarians, GOD'S ESSENCE can't be fully comprehended evn by angels nt 2 talk of humans sef

What the Pope believed and is afraid of is not what the bible teach. It is not what the apostles who are filled with the holyspirit taught us. Beware! Evil spirits are everywhere putting fear in people.

But when you have the word of God, you can stand the devil and his agents anywhere and wount fear them. Christ rebuked every of satan's temptation from the scripture.

magmegas: Jn 1vs1
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God and through him all things were made and the word was made flesh.
Christ is the word made flesh, the flesh is with God and the flesh is God. therefore Christ is God and the Spirit is God that comforts and edifies.

It all happened in the beginning but God has no beginning. In that beginning the word WAS and the word was with His God.

That is why He is the beginning and the firstborn of God's creation. Col 1:18. God the Father is His God, Col 1:3, Eph 1:17, Heb 1:9.

Trinity opposes what the Holyspirit inspired.

Any question or do you disagree?

Oahray: Quantity: God gives Jesus authority and elevates him. The Son subjects himself to his Father (1 Cor 15:27, 28). So the Father has more authority.
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Value: Jesus called his father the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:3)
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Rank: The head of the Christ is God (1 Cor 1:3)
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Degree: The Father is greater than I (Jesus) am (John 14:28)
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Ability: Jesus said the capacity to decide who sits at his right or left hand in the kingdom wasnt his but belongs to his Father (Matt 20:20-23).
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From the above definition of equality, they are not equal.
Got any other definition?

Excellent!!!

He will have to manufacture words to define equality.

@tevinsolt and trinitarians

What if one of the Pharisees had said that "he is equal to Jesus Christ just that Jesus can do some miracles he can't do but in terms of equality, he is equal to Christ."

Would you agree with him?

Jutresbien: You base your believe not one what Jesus said, but on how the Jews UNDERSTOOD him? Isn't that risky? What if the jews misunderstood him(like they obviously did)?

Please don't stop at 33, read down to verse 36. Clearing up their MISUNDERSTANDING Jesus said,"do you say I blaspheme because I say to you I AM GOD'S SON?"

He can also follow what the Jews believe about Him and join them in the killing.

They don't want to believe whom the bible referred to as ONE GOD(THE FATHER) but what trinity referred to as one God(Father, Son and Holyspirit).

This is how obvious trinity contradict the will of the Father. Some of them will come here and say "i believe in trinity", "i have faith in it" without knowing anything about it but just what they were taught to believe.

If we should start from your definition of trinity to analyse it one step at a time without cherry picking of scriptures, i promise you that your belief in trinity will quench after few posts.

Chuksxp: What's your point?

The Father also calls Jesus God: "But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;" ~ Hebrews 1:8a

Ephesians 1:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 I keep asking that the God of
our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious
Father, may give you the Spirit [a] of
wisdom and revelation, so that you
may know him better.

his point is that Jesus Christ have a God, who is the Father. Does any one of you disagree?

tevinsolt: God is a being not a person, in that being there are three persons. He is God, you read your bible, early churches acknowledged him as being God in Human flesh, even Muslims know this and it's their Qur'an.

and also when God told Abraham to go and sacrifice Isaac at Moriah, Isaac asked where is the lamb that will be used for the offering, God will provide Abraham said....on that same mountain was where Jesus was crucified and it was God that gave himself for mankind....these archeological historical verifiable facts

So trinity is based on archeological historical verifiable facts which goes against the inspired word of God. I see.

SMH!!!

nne3870: yes! they are three personalities in one God. we pray to the almighty God by the power of the holy spirit through Jesus christ. they cannot be separated because one cannot do without another like i illustrated with the sun. you cannot sholve the spirit behind as a christian for he is the one who helps us to pray to God, and you cant ignore christ when praying to God cos he is God and the son of God.
we need wisdom from the holyspirit to fully understand the mystery of the holy trinity

I said one person who is called God. You said yes and your telling me 3 personalities in one God. Be consistent with the definition na.

Each of them is a God and the 3 of them are also one God?

nne3870: verse 26 of genesis 1 says: let us create man in our image and likenes....., definately there are 'people' the scripture was referring to who verse 27 pointed out as one God that cannot be separated.

So God was saying to one God "let us make man in our own image"?

frosbel: But man was made in God's image, is he then part of the trinity.

Go look for the meaning of image.

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." - Genesis 1:27

The Son also is the image of the Father. That is everything is in the image of the Father, the only true God.

Ubenedictus: it is quite simple veneration (honor) and intercession can only be given to beings wu are believe to be alive like the saints in heaven!
Oh! I forgot u have a different perspective of d after life and u dont believe d physically dead are alive in spirit!
In a word NO, i gat no biss with a snake!
Are u happy?

Why No? Was it not God that asked Moses to make the bronze snake for the israelites to look unto it and get healing? Anyway you answered well.

There are so many lessons to learn from my question and your answer.

It is always good to wait for God to instruct you before you create anything, if not you are making an idol and He will not associate Himself with it. You might making your self the instructor of things He does not approve.

Since images are being made @ random, lucifer that desire worship like say tomorrow no dey will take the opportunity and make his own image to be bowed to. He is very cunning. You can't say whose image you kneel and bow to, even though you name it jesus.

Please let us carefully examine these things.

nne3870: let me use benny hinn's (a protestant who believes in the trinity) illustrations in one of his book to explain the trinity to you.
the sun for example is one, but it has 3 special functions, the round shape you see, the light rays,and the heat that emmanates from it to keep the earth warm.

the trinity is like the sun, the father,son and spirit all in one God performing different functions but still as one God.
you cannot separate the heat from the sun nor the light from the sun cos all makes up the sun that is how the father cannot be separated from the son or spirit cos all of them are one.
its though confusing but believe it. someone gave me the book to read after i saw a post here talking about the trinity. may be you should get the book too(good morning holy spirit) and understand the mystery of the trinity.

Are you saying that the Father, Son and Holyspirit are just one person who is one God since they cannot be separated?

frosbel: You cannot base truth on implication.

Truth is based on explicit facts , not assumptions.

let them keep assuming. Trinity is based on imagination.

Most of them don't know how to define trinity yet the are proud of it. What the bible did not teach.

Law-confessor:
"So God created man in His own image.
In the image of God created He him;
Male and female created He them"


Yeaaaaaahhhhhh?

Christ is also His image.

Yeaaaaaahhhhhh?

seriallink: Mr. Ube, the Pope's follower and defender!!! I hope you also believe that 'WITHOUT THE POPE, THERE IS NO SALVATION'. At least, that is one of the traditions that was passed on by mouth to Catholics by one of their infallible Popes!!!

All Non-Catholics who do not believe in your Pope are hell bound!! Smh

I'd really like to know your take on that!

You might wanna go through this thread again: Salvation is only possible through the Vicar of Christ (The Pope)

That is why they are ashamed to mention one of the oral traditions because they contradict the scripture at full glare.

chukwudi44: How do we know the bible is God's word?

Ans:simply because the church fathers told us so.

And also what is written there is true. Any one that saw it will know.

When they became corrupt out of pride that they compiled the scripture and feeling that they own the scriptures, we are quick to detect and we will break every wing they have grown due to corrupt practices.

When the Israelites built temple for God and left Him to worship idol, He also left them.

Food for the brain.

Ubenedictus: the 3 pope a name did so u still havent told me abt "d pope"!

When you answer my question i will answer yours.

Ubenedictus: dear italo,
this wasnt necessary, bookmark learnt a type of christianity where he doesnt even know about the church fathers and the role they played in transmiting the Gospel. Your advise was ok though but the way you put it makes it problematic.
Peace dear!

My dear am following Christ not church fathers. You can go ahead with the traditions of men which they have given you.

I have my bible and i read it. You have your bulletins and you read them.

italo: @ Boomark,

There are many anti-Catholic threads on nairaland where you can go and display your stupidity as you always do.

This thread is primarily about The Apostolic Faith Church and its teachings and practices.

But as you go on to vent your stupidity, try to find out what we mean when we say "Church Fathers" and read about them.

It won't make you less stupid, I'm sure...but it will make you more informed.

Hahaha.
If telling you to quit the oral tradition of worshiping idol makes you see me as being stupid then i will be stubbornly stupid.

You want to tell me what your church fathers said instead of the apostles which we are focusing on? I have not even told you what my church pastors said.

Would you mind telling us some of the oral traditions.

abbeycial: Arrant nonsense,capture dem only to give dem executive treatment nd allow dem to escape at will. Wen wld dis c*nt suckas stop toyin wit d brains of nigerians

Na wa for u sef. If they release him and you catch him again, you have made N100m. This is what you should be praying for.

At least 3 escapes and 4 catches will give you N200m. Then you give me 25% for the info/advice.

OLAADEGBU: It is not a presumptuous saying, I believe what God says I am. I believe in His promises.

(Luke 10:20).

If our Lord Jesus says it and I believe it that settles it for me. My name is written down in the book of the Lamb in heaven.

Until Jesus settles it, keep working towards it so that no one gets disappointed as these people.

Matthew 7:21-23
New International Version (NIV)

21 “Not everyone who says to me,
‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom
of heaven, but only the one who
does the will of my Father who is in
heaven. 22 Many will say to me on
that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not
prophesy in your name and in your
name drive out demons and in
your name perform many
miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them
plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away
from me, you evildoers!’

One of the things Our Father wants from us is that we have Him as the One God we serve. That is His will.

That is why He sent Christ, so that Christ will bring us back to His God and Father.

italo: You should read the whole verse. It says "hold fast to the traditions we passed to you EITHER BY WORD OF MOUTH or by letter.

So the tradition is God's word, part of it passed onto us by letter, part of it by letter.

It is easy for you to accuse other people of following "unscriptural" traditions but examine yourself first, Which of the trdition passed by word of mouth do you hold fast to? NONE.

You are the one going against scripture.

Which oral traditions do you want us to hold unto? Tradition according to the scriptures or according to ur church.

*Bowing to and kneeling before an exact image of someone you don't know?
*Praying with the rosary? Etc.

Seems the oral tradition you are referring to is the one from you church fathers not from the apostles.

italo: @ Boomark,

Go and read the Church Fathers.

I don't need what your church fathers said. Cos i don't know if they might be doing things that made Christ said He will vomit this church @ Rev 3:16. That church might be confident in what they are doing but not knowing they are wrong.

Isaiah 63:7-9

7 I will mention the
lovingkindnesses of the LORD And
the praises of the LORD, According
to all that the LORD has bestowed
on us, And the great goodness
toward the house of Israel, Which
He has bestowed on them
according to His mercies,
According to the multitude of His
lovingkindnesses.
8 For He said, "Surely they are My
people, Children who will not lie."
So He became their Savior.
9 In all their affliction He was
afflicted, And the Angel of His
Presence saved them; In His love
and in His pity He redeemed
them; And He bore them and
carried them All the days of old.

@plappy

v7 shows that it was Isaiah speaking.

v8 For He said, "Surely they are My
people, Children who will not lie."
So He became their Savior.

who is the one that said this and became their saviour? Is it the angel? I don't think so. Angels command and protect the people of God.

v9 if you read from v1, you will understand that God is the one who has trodden down the people in His anger, He is the One who is afflicted by the affliction of His people.

If God does not want to save them, He will not send the angel of HIS presence to save them. No one loves these people like God does. In His love and pity, He repurchased/redeemed them.

If you read v10 down, you will see how it is making reference to the Father not the angel.

OLAADEGBU: This is the reason we should take heed to Ecclesiastes 12:1 that says:

"Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when you shall say, I have no pleasure in them"

I hope frosbel remembers his dream and gets right with his Creator.

What shall ye have him do?

italo: When I said "recordings," I didn't mean 'tape recordings." You obviously didn't figured that out.

What type of record is that?

Is it jotter?

grailife: Images are powerful. Images penetrate our souls and often remain there. Images shape our minds and souls. Whateever images enter your mind become a part of you

I hope you have the image of lucifer? No? Since images are now made at randomly, lucifer's blacksmith would want him to also be represented and bowed to.

Ride on with your ''imagenation.''