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truthislight: so christ will go borrow a voice that is greater than his own when he has been made higher than all person in heaven and on earth to resurrect the dead, Abi?


Will christ need to borrow the archangels voice or the archangels voice is his own because he is the archangel?

No. The greatest voice right now is the voice of the arch angel's and it is the voice of christ not because he borrowed it but that it is his own voice.


That is the truth.

BARRISTERS: if you really know what an angel is, you dont need to ask the following again;




firstly,

Douay-Rheims Bible 1899, is one of the oldest translations, i wasnt born when this translatn was made, and i think 'they'(Douay-Rheims Bible) are in the best position to answer that! you can direct the answer to them.

moreover, what of the other translations? Darby Bible Translation, also rendered jesus 'angel'

Secondly,

you can open another tread on angels, then i will contribute,we are getting more focused and will not continue to go in circles to satisfy an already made-up mind,

you guys will not respond but continue to accuse JWS that they are the ones behing jesus being rendered angel,but [size=14pt]are Jehovahs Witnesses responsible for Darby Bible Translation,or Douay-Rheims Bible 1899? both bibles are not jws! and this further exonerates JWS [/size]

you can read my write up on angels (scroll back), the greek meanings and how they are first spirit beings before beign delegated.

we cant change an already made up mind who is unyielding in the face of bible facts presented.

you think im here to convince you guys? of what relevance or significance? but only for something im doing this, sincere and objective readers, thanks.

obadiah777: LORD DELIVER ME FROM THIS UNLIKING PHARISEE

seriallink: I like that your logic LWKMD

truthislight: am not really aware of the virtouseness of this statement!

Likes did what?

"Like" pains you?

*sigh*

what sort of mind is in you!

truthislight: now lets see how you do in the scale of honesty.

This is the post you use in accusing me and Serialink, it will show how and what sort of person you are:



Did i say in this post that "God needed to give Adam time to proof" something or it was satan i had said?

But RCC Ubenedictus that learned from satan the liar has twisted my word to say that i had said that God needed to Give Adam more time.

@Serialink

you now can see what satan has done to some so call christian that the resorted to lies as to proof their lying stance.

Now you know and can see the sort of person he is and we are dealing with here.

This is my words against Yours in black and white.



compare that to your lies below:



you see your life?

Like father like.

The father of the lie is satan.

baby_123: When I can share my favorite suya with you, or let you put your hand in my plate while i am eating. That is love.

lagerwhenindoubt: Jesus lived in harsh times bruv. Economy was harsh, Romans were harsh and people were very poor back then - even for the rich a private donkey was no easy buy

Willzkid: Now I am fully convinced that you are at least one of the following:
1. An atheist on a mission to mock christianity and christians, while pretending you are one of us
2. An alcoholic
3. Musiwa's younger brother
I place my bet on 3

BARRISTERS: @Boomark



your question answered! you ban us from translating,that we should show bible verse that
renders jesus an angel.that is it below, while john still rendered 'my messenger' it is another thing to start jumping to john issue now, but see the translation below,


mathew 7:10-11 Darby Translation (DARBY)

10 this is he of whom it is written, Behold, *I* send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee.

11 Verily I say to you, that there is not arisen among [the] born of women a greater than John the baptist. But he who is a little one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he.

malachi 3:1

##....Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me; and the Lord
whom ye seek will suddenly come to his
temple, and [size=18pt]the Angel of the covenant, whom
ye delight in[/size]: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah
of hosts.

are you satisfied now before translating? tell us pls

ijawkid: John wasnt from the heavens as we know it...but Jesus did pre-exist as a spirit creature before descending....

now the point is from the original hebrew and greek words used as in malachi 3:1 and in other chapters and verses of the scriptures AG'GE-LOS and MAL-'A-KH' apply to both human and heavenly messengers of Yahweh..

.but as we know all ""heavenly messengers"" are strictly angels....and Jesus isnt exempted...


those translations are right.....messenger = angel.....especially when speaking of spirit messengers of yahweh...

But let's not forget:::::: Jesus is the chief of all Yahwehs messengers...

obadiah777: BOOKMARK YOU DO ERR. ONE HALF IS GODLY AND THE OTHER HALF IS SATANIC. YOU KNOW THAT PROVERBIAL DRAWING WITH ONE GOOD PERSON ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE AND A RED DEVIL WITH PITCHFORK ON YOUR LEFT HAND SIDE BOTH TRYING TO ALTER YOUR DECISIONS ? YEAH PONDER ON THAT CUZ THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU ARE MADE. HALF GOD HALF SATAN SOUNDS CRAZY. THAT ALUU4 GUY PLANKING THOSE BOYS ? THAT WAS HIS SATANIC SIDE IN FULL BLOOM. THAT WAS SATAN

ijawkid: Please my brothers and sisters,can we say these translations are wrong for calling Jesus the angel of the covenant A.K.A ""messenger of the covenant""??....


This is malachi 3:1 from these 2 translations I'll quote...



##Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold I send my angel, and he shall prepare
the way before my face. And presently the
Lord, whom you seek, and the angel of the
testament, whom you desire, shall come to his
temple. Behold he cometh, saith the Lord of
hosts.
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##....Darby Bible Translation
Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me; and the Lord
whom ye seek will suddenly come to his
temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom
ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah
of hosts.
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Now this is what barrister and truthislight have been trying to butress.......

Jesus as we know came from heaven.......we all know what heavenly messengers are called irrespective of there ranks........the greek and hebrew words used in that malachi both for JOHN and JESUS are the same words we render as ANGEL...........and those words are AG'GE-LOS and MAL-'A-KH' respectively....the Douay-Rheims Bible even refers to JOHN as angel talk less of Jesus who came down from the heavens.....

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Which ever way we wanna look at it,Jesus was called an angel or a messenger in that verse.............all heavenly messengers of GOD(YAHWEH) can be rightly called angels......and Jesus isn't exempted.....Jesus is Gods(Yahwehs) Chief messenger.........

The only person who should be having problem with this is frosbel who does not believe Jesus pre-existed as a spirit being before his descending to the earth.......for all those who believe Jesus was a spirit in heaven before coming to the earth you should all go back and study hard.....this is not about JW or what not..........



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Now I will ask these questions one more time......


1....What are heavenly messengers of GOD called??

2....was Jesus ever a messenger of GOD??YES or NO

plappville: You did not treat these verses even the one you presented still shows Christ was the one talking. Whose Name will they walk uo and down? Yahweh's name no?

Again, It is Christ talking in verse two. Zachariah three told us It was Jesus talking. Who is the Lord that says The Lord rebuke Satan? Is it God Himself?
If It is Yahweh, why and who is greater than Him that He will have to refers the rebuking of Satan to?

Zachariah3: 2 And the LORD (Jesus) said to Satan, "The LORD (Yahweh) rebuke you, Satan!
The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! This is referring to Yahweh.
If it was Yahweh, He will say I rebuke you. It shows that the Angel of the Lord that Satan tried to oppossed is the same one that is also called "The lord".
That's my point and you did not see it, but went and gave me an other verse.

centje: Answer to your questions is simple...
Hell is not a place it's a state.
For now we are in the lower state of our existence.

A transition to the upper state can be perceived as hell or heaven.

Its jst like water exist in different states,when it gains higher energy it changes to invisible gas.

Image123: you're always drunk i think.

BARRISTERS: @True2God



i have answered in page 17 before, and im answering now again, [size=18pt]yes,[/size] he was once reffered to as angel malachi 3:1.

okay?

plappville: A brief look at this two passages: @boomark, i would like you to take a look at these two events and tell me if there is no parallel.

[size=14pt]Angel of the LORD[/size]
Zechariah 3:1-5 1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?" 3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel. 4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, "Take away the filthy garments from him." And to him He said, "See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes."
5 And I said, "Let them put a clean turban on his head." So they put a clean turban on his head, and they put the clothes on him. And the Angel of the LORD stood by.

[size=14pt] Archangel Michael [/size]

9. Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" Jude 1:9

In Zechariah, we saw Joshua th high priest standin befor the Angel of the Lord.
Satan, the accuser, is also present to oppose what the Angel of the Lord is doing.
In the 2rd verse, the Angel of the Lord starts speaking to Satan.
In this verse The Angel of the Lord is actualy called "the LORD".
We know that it is not the Father (Yahweh) speaking. Why would the Father say: "The Lord rebuke you"?
No, it is not the Father. It is the Son! One Lord is speaking of the other Lord. Scripture made plain to those who say Christ never existed.

Jude 1:9 is an interesting parallel whic helps to confirm that it is the Angel of the Lord and not the Father (Yahweh) who is speaking in Zechariah.
Because the Angel of the Lord in Zechariah is doing the "very same" thing that Michael the archangel does in Jude.

If you notice very weell, you will see 3 things in common tht connect Zechariah 3:1-2 and Jude 1:9, they are are follow:
(1) They are referring to the same person. The Angel of the Lord is Michael the archangel.
(2) In both texts, Satan is confronted. (3)both times, he does nt accuse Satan directly, but he refers the rebuking of Satan to the "Father".
Both times He says: "the Lord rebuke you". So Satan is approached in the same way.
So we again have the Angel of the Lord as being identified as being the Lord. After this very one, we will still take a look at Moses and the burning bush.
I believe the angel of the Lord was identified as God there. One thing at a time. Lets treat this one first.

BARRISTERS: @Boomark


'MINISTERING' should have been severed from 'spirit', or shouldnt have come before 'spirit'

Minisrering and sent forth are the same 'they are delegated with a task'


are you making a case for look? remember that being in spirit medium itself, they are can change their looks. i will treat that later!

plappville: No bros, the Wife guaranteed him that They will not die because, if God coukd accept
thier sacrefies, it means they find favour in Gods sight. It was not talking of if the Angel did Wonderful thing (non). But i will not argue on this. When i will be on pc. I would like to ask you some questions. I hope to have the time to do that.

plappville: This bros...Boomark self .....

Image123: Perhaps you were drunk when reading me. i'm saying the same thing i've been saying on this issue since i joined this forum.

Ubenedictus: so your awake doesn't teach predestination? That means u guy have removed another biblical teaching. Una weldone!

BARRISTERS: @Boomark


see the bolded below

hebrew 1:14,

14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

angels were created spirits first before beign delegated as angels/messengers.

we also have the 24 elders who are also spirit servants in the book of revelation but were not called angels! they are spirits.

truthislight: i dont know how this ^^^ translate to what you had said "that God knows the end from the beginning of everything and how it will turn out"

meaning that Yahweh already knows/created Adam that satan will test him and Adam will fall right from the start.

That is all we have is the way Yahweh predestined it to be.

Why twist the meaning of what you had said?

was this not what you had said to me:



^^^ is what i mean, the other is a comaflag.

you will change like a camelaeon?

It also means that there is nothing like the original sin since all is a stage by Yahweh.

You completely contradicted the bible and called God a liar.

May be that is what you learnt in your.......

Ubenedictus:

obadiah777: I AM SURE YOU DID
NOT HEAR ME SAY GOD IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR SINS
JAMES 1 VS 13 Let no man say
when he is tempted, I am
tempted of God: for God cannot
be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted,
when he is drawn away of his
own lust, and enticed.

amen

BARRISTERS: [size=18pt] For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son, (Heb. 1:5)(king james version).[/size]



answer, ......To the firstborn of all creation..colosian 1:15.which is reffered to as ''my messenger'' (spirit messenger) or angel(greek meaning), in malachi 3:1. and no other messenger/angel that can duplicate the very first creation,archo-angellos, and no one

apart from the 'very first' creation merit being reffered to as ''you are my son'' and “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” (verse 13).

can you dispute that?