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Have you people not heard?

"Let the dead bury the dead." also,

"Let the dead pray for the dead."

what a stricking similarity! Those following Christ should follow him while those following maccabee should follow him.

obalola7: @ chuk

Please be reminded that i am talking about Apostolic Faith Church not Apostolic Church or The Apostolic Church.

what is their difference?

italo: Thank you o. Some of these people just think that they win an argument or make sense by using many words or posting many times.

So to boomark, because you do not like the Catholic Church, no Catholic can make sense in any religious discussion anymore. Anybody arguing against a Catholic is right and the Catholic is wrong.

Just imagine the kind of people that call themselves "Christians."

Concerning the catholics, am not concerned about the people but what they are practicing. If you you love Christ, i will say your making sense but if you say you want to pick Him..., i will not join u on that. So its not about you.

Zikkyy: If you must know, i don't tithe. So there is no need looking a Levite to receive my tithe.

Ok sir.

Zikkyy: This is what happens when you allow sentiment or emotions distort your reasoning.



fans and well-wishers awarding marks! It's not done anywhere o! as the official referee (umpire) for the match, MY DECISION IS FINAL!

italo is my brother, ask him. That's why i gave him 10.

But before you decide, where are the levites you must give your tithe?

truthislight: Jesus simply made a statement on what was acceptable in the old covanant and does not mean that christians operate by the rule/law of the old covanant.

At the book of Hebrews 7, Tithing was Brought to a stop.

Besides, christians are not under the "law" of the Abrahamic covanant and Tithing was part of it.

If you take out Tithing from the law why leave behind animal sacrifice?

Do not crucify pls. As no one is perfect so is the church made up of such individual. The problem here is just the name but the giving is out of a cheerful heart. No one is compelled to or monitored by tithe card. What they do with it is also in line with where our high priest said "whatsoever you do...that you do unto me."

tithe is not part of the new covenant. But if one must pay tithe(or whatever it is called), it must be to the high priest not earthly pastor.

Italo cannot invite me to their church and i go. I don't want to be facing idols when the trumpet sounds. What will i even tell my Lord i was doing there.

Zikkyy: The Jews were not tithing for fun. in the bible tithe is not something you do anyhow you like, there are procedures for it. The tithe Jesus was referring to is the tithe of farm produce the Jews (other eleven tribes of Israel) takes to the Levites; it is the tithe of farm produce the Jews take to the place that God chooses as his dwelling place and they are to jollof with it; it is the tithe they take (every third year) to the city gate (not church) for the Levites, the alien, the widows to jollof. The Jew cannot & will not pay his tithe to somebody from the tribe of Benjamin (or any of the other eleven tribe). So my friend when Jesus said to tithe, you need to understand what he was talking about. The tithe of agric produce belong to God, it is sacred to him and he gave specific instructions on how that tithe is to be paid. That instruction have not changed. If your pastor tells you to bring God's tithe to him, then he is a thief! He is the one robbing God

where are the levites you give your tithe?

Italo really made no point.

It is alexleo 5 : -10 italo.

What he wants is until you make the Pope your salvation and worship idol, then you are teaching the truth.

Ubenedictus: u no fit read?

Please read this and answer the question. It is for all catholics.


if one of the Israelites secretly go to
where Moses kept the bronze
snake and kneel before it
saying "O! Great serpent, bring
me and household healing from
god."

Do you think the person did the right thing and that God will be happy with the person?

frosbel: The Holy Spirit does not guide into error.

Seeing that you are seriously misguided on so many counts, who is leading you into all these errors, definitely not GOD .

I wonder o!

As if when we ask God for His spirit, He will come and teach us things that contradict the scripture.

Enigma: Oh, and of course the above is attested by John 1:1.

Oh, another by the way: to know when Jesus was begotten (before he became a man through incarnation) is to know when God the Father Himself came into existence or began to exist.

"...You are my Son, today I have begotten You." Ps 2:7.

This does not look like it doesn't have a beginning. But God's existence has no beginning. So look for a better analogy cos what you believed it to be no match.

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.

Unles you are saying that GOD as it is used here refer to trinity. Lets see.

The Word(Jesus) is with God(The Father).
The Word is God(Jesus(unles ur saying Jesus is the Father)).

v18 say "no one has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son...has declared Him.

v18 shows that no one has seen God the Father whom the bible referred to as 'One God' over all, 1 cor 8:6.

The Father is the God of Jesus(God) Eph 1:17 and Jesus(the Word) was with His God in the beginning.

I don't see any thing trinity has to do with it.

Enigma: Jesus was in very nature God before he became a man through incarnation. Simples.

Philippians 2

Ok. I understand this one.

Jesus was in the very nature of His God and Father before He came to the earth as man. That is why the bible said "He is the exact image of the Father."

Hope you agree?

OLAADEGBU: Get the first thing first; What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man, do you agree with this?

1 Corinthians 8:5-6
New International Version (NIV)

5 For even if there are so-called
gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many
“gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for
us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one
Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom
all things came and through whom
we live.

We don't have problem with Jesus being God as v5 said that there are gods( or Gods, whichever you want to use).

But we all(including Jesus), have ONE GOD who is the Father(1 person not 3 persons) v6. That why Jesus called the Father His God and our God. We also have where is said "the God of our lord Jesus...." Eph 1:17, Col 1:3, etc.

One God is clearly shown to be the Father alone. Do you have any objection to all these things that are clearly written?

OLAADEGBU: You need to go to the Holy Spirit Himself for He shall guide you into the truth.

Didn't you understand what the spirit taught you so as to teach others? Is it that what you received contradicts what is written that you can't answer me from what is written, except i go and receive my own too?

But when the Holyspirit was revealing all truth to the apostles, He didn't reveal what your trinity defined so that it does not contradict they other truth He gave to the apostles which is written. I wonder why cos this is a very important issue.

Keep in mind when studying
this subject that the word
"Trinity" is not used in
Scripture. This is a term that is
used to attempt to describe the
triune God, the fact that there
are 3 coexistent, co-eternal
persons that make up God.
Understand that this is NOT in
any way suggesting 3 Gods. The
Trinity is 1 God made up of 3
persons.

Boomark:
1 Corinthians 8:6
New International Version (NIV)

6 yet for us there is but one God,
the Father, from whom all things
came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came
and through whom we live.
But Why is 1 God here referring
to the Father(1 person) while one
lord refers to Jesus Christ? It is
clear that Jesus is not part if the 1
God mentioned here. Why?

You missed this one.

teeo: LOL, u no well oo.

Which do you prefer, using money to buy private jet or using ur fellow man as a jet.

Hahaha.
I reject and bind.

You be number 1 supporter of the former.

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear, shame no catch me, yoruba say na bastard na e dey use left hand point to e papa house.

while some don forget wetin their papa house look like.

italo: That's why I stopped discussing with her. I don't find anything meaningful from her posts so I'm always tempted to insult... Better I safeguard my soul.

So defending idol worship makes meaning to you? Better safeguard your soul by avoiding idols.

Ubenedictus: u just called joshua an idol worshipper what else? Mayb d next guy u would call a pagan is david.

No. That would be the Pope.

Boomark:
You have dodged this question
too much.

1 In whose nature and image
was Jesus before he was
begotten? The Father's or His
own?

The answers are all over the
thread, it is you that don't seem
to see them. Let me give you
what C.S. Lewis said about the
only begotten Son of the Father:

"To beget is to become the
father of: to create is to make.
And the difference is this. When
you beget, you beget
something of the same kind as
yourself. A man begets human
babies, a beaver begets little
beavers, But when you make,
you make something of a
different kind from yourself. A
bird makes a nest, a beaver
builds a dam . . . Now that is the
first thing to get clear. What
God begets is God; just as what
man begets is man. What God
creates is not God, just as what
man makes is not man. That is
why men are not Sons of God in
the sense that Christ is. They
may be like God in certain
ways, but they are not things of
the same kind ."

what you did here is to explain begotten Son. The main question is the bolded above.

Keep in mind when studying
this subject that the word
"Trinity" is not used in
Scripture. This is a term that is
used to attempt to describe the
triune God, the fact that there
are 3 coexistent, co-eternal
persons that make up God.
Understand that this is NOT in
any way suggesting 3 Gods. The
Trinity is 1 God made up of 3
persons.

1 Corinthians 8:6
New International Version (NIV)

6 yet for us there is but one God,
the Father, from whom all things
came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came and through whom we live.

But Why is 1 God here referring to the Father(1 person) while one lord refers to Jesus Christ? It is clear that Jesus is not part if the 1 God mentioned here. Why?

Boomark:
You gave me a definition which
i didn't understand. As your
new convert i asked you if the
word "God" refers to a person
or title(name) or a thing
according to your definition.
Because you used "Who" after
'God.' Your definition no gel.

What you need is the Holy Spirit
to convince, convict and then
convert you and make you a
partaker of the divine nature of
God. It is only then that you will
see what the Bible says.

Please help me understand it by the spirit that is leading you. The question i asked is based on your definition. Unles it is difficult to answer and you want to redefine it, no problem.

Image123: I'm tempted to reply italo and the other one, until i remember that they are not in this discussion, bunch of perveets.

OLAADEGBU: He was and is still God. The incarnation of God is what Son of man is.

You have dodged this question too much.

1 In whose nature and image was Jesus before he was begotten? The Father's or His own?

OLAADEGBU: I have given you my definition of the Godhead, I am asking you to clarify what you mean by the word God or do you agree with my definition?

You gave me a definition which i didn't understand. As your new convert i asked you if the word "God" refers to a person or title(name) or a thing according to your definition. Because you used "Who" after 'God.' Your definition no gel.

OLAADEGBU: What is your understanding of the title Son of God and Son of man to start with?

Son of God=begotten by God
Son of man=in the likeness of men.

Before He ascended to heaven do you believe that He first descended to earth?

Yes

Boomark:

So before He became the son of
God and son of Man, what was
He called and His position then?

Boomark:
And when He ascended to
heaven did He go back to that
position?

So answer my question so we don't digress

OLAADEGBU: Tell me what you mean by the term "God" and let us start from there.

The Trinity is defined as one God who exists in three eternal,
simultaneous, and distinct
persons known as the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit.

This is your definition of trinity. I know the persons of the Father, Son and Holyspirit. So what or who is the bolded?

italo: @ VickyO,

Boomark didn't answer my questions.

So you see how unreasonable your position is. That is what is making you unable to answer my question.

To answer it honestly would mean that Jesus' body is Jesus.

To answer it dishonestly will make you look stupid and bring a curse upon your head.

Next time you run your mouth, be careful. You might have to defend your utterances.

Leave vicky alone. She made an intelligent remark when she said
"Jesus' body is part of Him and not Him gan gan...

learn from it. I just answered the question before she did and you have nothing say against my replies.

How is Italina and Itiy?
Peace.

kokoA: @poster why don't you just face your church and leave other people with theirs? What makes you feel yours is the best? The bible said you shouldn't judge others.

They downing the name of our Lord. If they should answer maristians, no problem. Just like i don't have any problem with Islam(except when they are hurting others), Buddhism, etc.

Why do you beat a child that does wrong? Are you supposed to judge him or her?

chukwudi44: That I have already down in Rev 8:4 when angels acted as a medium conveying the prayers of God's people to Jesus.

So in Rev 5:8, the angels, 24 elders are also mediators between man and God?

italo: @ Bernimoore,

You are desperately resorting to lying openly now.

How does angels acting as mediators contradict angels not being fit for worship?

Lies...lies...lies

Defend this with more lies, typical of protestants.

Stop shouting lies. Where did angels act as mediator?

Ubenedictus: To bookmark, it is interesting that you call joshua an idol woshipper.
To bernimore, u have dodging d questions u were asked.
To the Op, if you wish to know what catholic practice and why please visit http://forums.catholic.com.
Peace

It is also interesting that catholics worship idol. Can you answer my question on bronze snake above?