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franchasng:
When you are in certain countries or environment, you don't need to dream or wish of becoming a billionaire to be on world billionaires list unless you are from a highly influential political family like Aliko Dangote.


Dangote didn't become rich by hardwork or any special talent or invention, he became who he is today based on his family background which gave him political connections and favors from successive Nigerian governments.


So people should stop celebrating Dangote as if he did anything special to become rich; he was just fortunate to come from a rich family background with strong political links, nothing special


People that worth celebration are the likes of Mark that invented something from nowhere at his age, people like Seun of Nairaland, people like Linda Ikeji, and all the people who worked the soil from nothing to build their wealth not people climbing through political ladder enjoying free FOREX money and government monopoly in business because of their influential family background and where they come from.



So all you Nigerians dreaming to be like Dangote, you all are wasting your time because Nigerian environment and government don't make policies that encourage and favor people from nobody's family background to climb to that ladder of becoming a billionaire in the world.


Even Otedola, his father was the former governor of Lagos. So if you look at all the so called billionaires from Nigeria, especially those from Northern Nigeria, all their wealth can be traced to politics and Nigeria's crude oil shady deals.


So if you want to become a billionaire in $$ and you are a Nigerian that doesn't come from the top looting political families in Nigeria, you are wasting your time, you better find a way to get out of Nigeria to counties like USA that support dreams of anybody ready to work and use his or her talent.


All you need to make it big in countries like USA, etc is the talent, the zeal to work and focus. Then find one challenge in the society there or a problem within your location in that country and use technology to find a solution to it and you are on your way to becoming rich, unlike in Nigeria where dreams are killed everyday, while looters, business fraudsters and political clouts are the only people that make free money and still get celebrated like they did anything special

More grease to your elbow.

Moneysoldier is back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Welcome bro.

Lemme quickly breath in and out.

They say experience is the best teacher, but to be frank and sincere, it is good you don't experience many things especially the negative ones.

If you believe in "science" it is an act of Faith and not because you particularly investigated scientific facts, and if you castigate religious people for their faith you are the biggest hypocrite of all times.

Pistotita put up a challenge in his thread;

www.nairaland.com/5295916/finding-meaning-life-using-narrative.

CanadaorBust you can invite James Rodin to try this challenge since others cannot pass his.

I'm making a promise @CanadaorBust, if you and your cohorts can come out the same way you entered that challenge,
1. I will handover my phone to you.

2. I will clear my bank account for you.

3. I will tear and burn all my school certificates in your present.

Screenshots of the challenge are attached below.

I look forward to the D-day of this challenge CanadaorBust and other atheists that their mouth is running like damage pipe.

Thanks.

God bless.

OkCornel:
Spot on!
Any excuse to keep pouring old wine in new wine skins as long it benefits the fraudstors is fine by them.

Dem nor dey mind them Jare.

Ouch!

It is finished.

Who nor go nor know.

It might be a social media stunt, but trust me she is not far from the truth.

Juju to get men is real as your skin. Make friends, do some investigations and you will discover the truth for yourself.

Understanding is key.

Imagine someone staying indoor for about 3 months, doing nothing that profited humanity or the society but yet came out from that house with a congratulatory sum of 60 million naira with lots of endorsement deals. Will you now tell me that big booty is not greater than masters degree or even PhD in Nigeria?

How many First Class graduates/master degree /PhD holders has earned that amount of money from the year 2000 till date?

Etinosa is speaking of the hypocrisy happening in Nigeria.

Nigeria /Africa needs total deliverance of all categories. We need to orient our focus and define our goals that is both pleasing to God first and then our society.

Thanks.

God bless.

The escape route they take when their belief system is shaken rather than sitting down to unlearn, relearn and learn.

LordReed:
And what will the challenge prove?

Read the contents of the thread then.

There is a challenge set by pistotita in his thread on the first page, atheist association of nairaland what are you guys waiting for?

https://www.nairaland.com/5295916/finding-meaning-life-using-narrative

Lordreed, you can notify your atheist colleagues about this grand show. Thanks as you do so.

Phenomenalola:
Are you of the old testament?

deep yawn!

Lola please lecture us on tithing, I'm listening now and my mouth is shut.

Thanks.

God bless.

Phenomenalola:
What way do you expect it to be served?

In anyway the new testament/covenant Christian can comprehend and how it affects or relates to them.

Phenomenalola:
You can come in

yes I'm in but you have are not serving the tithe pepper soup in a way we can enjoy it.

We need real lectures Lola.

Phenomenalola:
On biblical records Cain was the first man to kill a man. It is wrong for a man to kill another. Cain was ignorant of the rule and he asked for clemency and was given.
Lamech killed a man and was aware of the rule not to kill. He wont enjoy clemency(gen 4:24).
After the flood man was instructed not to kill another(gen 9:5)
In the proces of time, abraham and his servants killed men. They were guilty of the crime of murder. Abraham was unaware that a righteous man cant kil unrighteous men. To save him, a high priest was sent to become his scapegoat. Tithes was the medium of passing the sin of murder to priests. After that incident abraham never killed again. Isaac and jacob inherited the knowledge and they didnt kill anyone.
Two children of jacob killed men irrespective of the knowledge. Jacob cursed them. They cant be forgiven and tithes cant save them.
The law of Moses advocates righteous men to kil unrighteous

Nice try Lola, but is this all you've got?

Nonsense and ingredients.

Majority of Ghana pastors and 419.

Phenomenalola:
That is the question. Once we know that, we will understand why other part of humanity did not have to tithe bt the israelites.

so can you please lecture us on this tithing?

Phenomenalola:
What if what we know tithes are to do are not what they do. humanity agrees on the purpose of an extinguisher but find it hard to agree or perhaps do not see the necessity for tithes.

What is the necessity of TITHE AS A NEW TESTAMENT/COVENANT CHRISTIAN.

Phenomenalola:
If humanity knows what tithes do, there won't be back and forth argument on its relevance.
In the absence of fire an extinguisher is not required. When we know what tithes solve, the absence or presence of that thing will highlight the significance or non significance of tithes.

Extinguisher is to fire as tithe is to what?

OKCornel food is ready. Lol

hopefulLandlord:
FYI Dawkins who formulated the "Dawkins scale" which ranges from 1-7 says he's 6 on the scale

since there are atheists who identify as 7 it means there are many atheists who are more atheistic than Dawkins.

Whether on scale 8 or 9, it does not change the fact that the fibres of God consciousness is embedded in every humans that will always make them to know right from wrong.

Thanks.

God bless.

Lasveg:
don't mind these Christians, they are suffering from delusion. if our security system is suspended for a day, the whole banks in naija will be robbed that day.

Imaginative delusion.

What do you think the people that got money in the bank will do if our security system should be suspended for a day?

Edybleketara:
The laws of the land and the punishments associated with breaking them is basically what is keeping humans in check.

Oga wait first, Dawkins knew about the security system, but after many years, the most famous atheist in the world who has lived most part of his life in a country with tight security system came out to say GETTING RID OF GOD WOULD MAKE THE WORLD LESS MORAL. ARE YOU MORE ATHEISTIC THAN RICHARD DAWKINS?

What keeps humans in order is not only security system per se, but the little fibres of God consciousness embedded in them. Because not all understand the security system, not all are favoured by the security system and many are ten times smarter than the security system.

In many cases, people decide to leave serious issues in the court of God because He is the perfect law giver that makes justice a reality and not the bias security system, who want you to spend more time, money and energy just to see that a case is being prosecuted.

Edybleketara:
Take away these laws and punishments then leave only religion as the basis for doing what is right and see if society won't plummet into a state of chaos.

Religion has its own laws and punishments, and as a result of that the society won't plummet into an eternal state of chaos.

By the way according to religion there is a day coming when all evil will be judged and will forever be eradicated for good. Richard Dawkins is not far from this truth.

Please, calm down and wait for that day.

Edybleketara:
Take away our security system and watch the amount of crimes that will be perpetrated on a daily basis. without our security system, even your so called pastors will visit you at night to rob you.

As if the so called security systems are holy.

The security system draw their laws of right and wrong and punishment from the God Richard Dawkins is talking about. Although they are not totally holy, but God still grant them grace to be able to carryout their duties. This takes us back to words of Richard Dawkins, getting rid of God would make world less moral.

Thanks.

God bless.

jesusjnr:
The fact that you would yet stress the garbage of the man's opinion in a thread which is proves how inconsequential it is as opposed to that of God, shows how confused you still are.

So you really need to sort yourself out instead of worrying about me, because as you can see, your approval or opinion concerning me has no bearing on me, if not I would be as confused as you are about me.

Today you'd say that it wasn't Jesus who appeared to me, tomorrow you'd go and modify that comment. Again you'd say that the spirit in me is a deceiving spirit, another time you'd begin to say something else, so how I really take any thing you say seriously?

I know who I am and who is with me, that's why such contrary opinions of you and your spiritually blind fellows are nothing but trash to me.

You want to correct someone that you believe doesn't have the right to correct someone else, doesn't that sound ironic to you?

Please keep your corrections and your support to yourselves for I don't need it for anything. What I need I have, and that's what keep me going strong in spite of your concerted effort to discredit me.

That thread I opened that y'all my enemies saw as an opportunity to take your best shots at me was very predictable, because that was a strong reason for me not to open it for i very well knew that was gonna happen, so no surprises there. But hence i proved that when it comes to God that i could take any shit from men like you because at the level I walk with God, we are nothing but trash because it's not about us but all about God.

And that was the reason I didn't respond to any of you, even though I had began typing a strong response, because the Spirit in me said that I shouldn't, and I obeyed. That's why God doesn't play with me.

You think true humility is about humbling yourself before men, then how come there are many men that are able to do that?

Try humbling yourself before God as Jesus did, then you'd understand the difference, and why it more difficult for man to humble Himself before man than before God.

That is what distinguishes the likes of you from EnthronedbyGod, for he is led by the Spirit of God, and even if he has a contrary opinion to where he is being led by the Spirit, he ditches his, and follows that of God.

And very soon you'd know why I'm being subjected to so much attack by y'all if you are too blind to see it now, and why EnthronedbyGod also suffered because he chose not to follow the leading of his flesh but that of the Spirit concerning me.

Therefore as it concerns your love, please love God first, so that you would learn how to truly love me, for I'm wary of such love that be of men as that which Peter showed to Jesus when He told him of his imminent death, not knowing that he was actually pleasing the devil and not God.

God bless.

I didn't bother myself reading it, goodluck.

Thanks.

God bless.

Back here in Nigeria, the Nigerian army kill the leader of Boko Haram yearly.

I don't even understand if he's a mini jesus that will die today and resurrect tomorrow.

The kind of testimony I love to hear. A good message well demonstrated.

Jesusjnr nobody is against you here, what we want from you is to pay heed to corrections, listen to the views of others, do not make anyone your enemy because he or she is against your opinion, properly examine yourself under the light of God so that you can know what is right or wrong.

May the good Lord of hosts continue to make us worship Him in Spirit and in Truth through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I love you brother.

Thanks.

God bless.

OkCornel:
Oh well..

Using a cane to flog a demon is also the same thing as using a ruler to measure how long you slept.


I wonder when religious zealots will learn how to fit square pegs into square holes.

my brother I weak o.

Classic specimen of a human being @muttleylaff is dissecting this issue of trinity like the way he does with the "other." I love that H2O, water analysis. You try well well. 3 gbosa for you muttley... Lol

This Pastor-Teacher, Ihedinobi, want to drag HOD's chair, nor be for nairaland e go for happen. Learn to take corrections first before running to give others correction pastor-teacher. In other words first remove the log of wood in your eyes before finding a speck of dust in the eyes of another.

Thanks.

God bless.

The Cross before me, the world behind me. No turning back, no turning back.

Lord God Almighty let your grace, love and mercy continually fill our heart, spirit, soul and body by the Holy Spirit and through our Lord and Savior Jesus.

Thanks.

God bless.

jamesid29:
It is thinking such as these that stood as the basis for every christain cult over the ages. When Believers begin to so elevated themselves and their callings over others to the point that they begin to consider themselves final authorities and anyone who goes against their teachings even on matters that are really not that important is not only wrong but can also be deemed heretical and heading towards God's wrath.

That's what concerned me in some of our previous conversation before this thread. Not that I didn't think you were knowledgeable and might make a fine teacher but that you have put yourself on such a level that even if you were right 90% of the time, the 10% in which you are wrong, there won't be be anyone you consider trustworthy enough to listen to and make adjustments accordingly.

I really do hope you meet people who can help you get back to some of the fundamentals of the christain faith before you go into full time ministry.

Thanks.

God bless.

Praivit0:
I don't dabble into other books that aren't part of the 66books of the Bible, however I must categorically say that when christianity started there was nothing like the 66books. The compilation was made by theologians. There were other epistles in the early church like those of Barnabas and co, do we then call Christians of that era who believed in such epistles heretic.

Ones salvation shouldn't be judged by wether the person believes in the book of Enoch or not but in the belief of the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and saviour.

Believing in other books like book of Enoch doesn't make one a heretic. Let's not be stereotypical as Christians.

Let's be guided by the Spirit of Christ and not by assumption and opinions of people who condemn what they haven't read. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.

May the peace of God that surpasses all understanding rest in your heart, spirit, soul and body continually.

God bless you abundantly.

It is not private jet today but public road. Where are the wailers?

Tithing aside, if you are not a child of hate you will agree with me that this man, Bishop David Oyedepo is a zealous leader.

Keep on riding Bishop.

Thanks.

God bless.

Ihedinobi3:
I certainly agree that what I think of you is of no consequence - unless it is the same as what the Bible says about you, then you should really pay attention. After all, I care little what opinions anyone has of me, unless they are resonant with the Bible.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that you "are sinning because [you] regard the book of Enoch." Of course, if you treat something as God's Word when it is not, then you are committing a sin, but I hadn't even gone so far as to say that yet. In that post, I was only describing the types of people that obedient believers are supposed to avoid, even if they claim to be believers too. You talk like one of those two types, the heretic, that was why I said what I said. I'm not sure what confusion you are seeing here.

You have a problem with hearing or reading the Bible invoked? Well, I'm a pastor-teacher. The Bible is the authority I rely on, so you have no chance of hearing me defend the Lord's Flock without using the Bible to do so. If you don't want to hear appeals to the Bible, you should quit talking to me. And isn't it interesting that it bothers you that I'm "quoting Scriptures up and down" when you are the one claiming a special maturity that enables you to see Scripture everywhere? For one who is so great at seeing Scripture everywhere, shouldn't you be thrilled to have it quoted at you too?

As for studying to show myself approved as a workman who knows his job, you appear to be proof that I have and am. I don't see your rebuttals proving that I don't know what I'm talking about or what the Scriptures say.

If truth could be made whatever we want it to be, then your pronouncements and denunciations would mean something. As it is, that is not possible.

As I said, if you see life in the Book of Enoch, by all means, use it as Scripture. Don't let me stop you from doing so. But don't even pretend that those of us who believe in the Lord Jesus should be like you. You are clearly different from us, so you shouldn't be among us nor demand that we be like you. We are very different from you.

As for what spiritual maturity is, it is also a good thing that the Bible itself tells us what it is. We don't have to be deceived by you about that:

[11]And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
[12]for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
[13]until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.
[14]As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;
[15]but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,
[16]from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.
Ephesians 4:11-16 NASB

[6]Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
[7]but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
[8]the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
[9]but just as it is written, "Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, And which have not entered the heart of man, All that God has prepared for those who love Him."
[10]For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
[11]For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
[12]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
[13]which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
[14]But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
[15]But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
[16]For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:6-16 NASB

That is, spiritual maturity is a matter of epignosis, that is knowledge about the Bible that is believed in the heart. It is not merely about a woolly, ethereal concept of love that has nothing to do with what the Bible says. If you love the Lord, you will obey Him. His Command? Believe in the Lord Jesus. But how can you believe what you do not know? You have to seek the Truth, study it, and then believe it. You can only do that with the help of a pastor-teacher. If you love your neighbor, you will treat them as the Lord commands. But how can you treat people as the Lord commands if you don't know what the Lord commands? Again, you need a pastor-teacher to teach you what the Lord commands. And you need to believe what he tells you, if you have tested him according to the Bible and proved that he is reliable. Then, and only then, you can and must obey him. That is how the love described in the Bible works. But then, it may be different in your "other Scriptures."

There was no prophecy. I'm not a prophet. I'm a pastor-teacher. I teach the Bible. I was showing you that according to the Bible, people like you end up as apostates. If you listen, maybe you won't end up like the others. If you don't, maybe you will. Either way, it is your choice, not mine. If it were up to me, I would drag you off the path you're on kicking and screaming. But then, it's not, just as you said. It's your choice.

"Shake [my] belief?" That's a good one. Do you know the last time anything at all "shook my belief?" It has been ages. And that thing was guilt over my own sins. You have absolutely no chance in this world to even cause my faith to feel the wind. You are so transparent to me that I could never be worried that you could be right about what you say. My Faith in the Lord Jesus is very fine, thank you very much. But it certainly is interesting that you actually considered my faith in the Lord - a faith that you yourself claimed to share - should be threatened by your own actions here on this thread. In other words, you actually feel comfortable and accomplished in putting the faith of those you claim to be fellow believers with at risk? That only proves everything that I have said here about you and your kind. You are enemies of the Truth.

As for being my follower, it was only yesterday that I found out that you followed me. Obviously, that means almost nothing to me. Many people "follow" people like me in order to oppose them. I never consider a "following" to mean anything but a possibility in either direction. In John 6, nearly all the Lord's Disciples abandoned Him when they couldn't stand the Truth anymore. They didn't want to be associated with a "cannibal." And they certainly thought He was being arrogant in claiming to be the Christ. So, your attribution of emotional arguments to me here is received in the same light. You obviously have never actually listened to what I teach. If you had, you would have expected everything I have said on this thread.

As for knowing me better, that is probably good for you. At least, you can be sure where you stand with respect to what I teach. But make no mistake, I will not be changing the position I hold now, not ever. My journey to the Truth was too long and too tortuous for me to ever want to go back. So, you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for me to become like you. That will never happen. As for you, I have no ability to make anybody's choices for them. You are whoever you choose to be. While I can and do warn you to get off this dangerous path you are on, I cannot make you do so. What I can certainly do is protect other believers who listen to me from you, and, believe me, I will do that, no matter how you feel about it. As you yourself said about me, you didn't die for me. The Lord Jesus did. So, the One to Whom I owe my allegiance and obedience is the Lord Jesus, not you. He gave me my gift of pastor-teaching. He trained me in the Truth through another pastor-teacher. He is preparing me through the tests and work that He has given me to do. He is the One Who will judge me. So it is His Opinion and His Command that I concern myself with. If you threaten the spiritual safety and security of any believer for whom I have responsibility to the Lord, there will be no peace between me and you. You can be sure of that.

ok.

OkCornel:
Lol...and the churches that believes the word of God is more than 66 books are stylishly called heretics...


Wetin I no go see for here


The fact that God, Jesus, the prophets and the Apostles never limited God's word to a set of books should get people thinking!

I weak o my brother. Loool.

Ihedinobi3:
I am not going to dispute with you your claim to be a believer. That is between you and the Lord. For mine and other believers' part, we are to avoid people who claim to be believers but engage in blatant sinning (1 Corinthians 5:9-11) and people who are heretics (Titus 3:10-11). So, it makes little difference if you claim to be a believer.

How I so much Love this, my salvation is neither between me and you nor any other person except the Lord Jesus Christ whether in heaven or earth, so why should I care about what you think about me....... Lol

So I'm now sinning because I regard the book of Enoch, you are just confusing yourself oga.

Stop quoting scriptures up and down, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Ihedinobi3:
If you attack the Word of Truth and will not listen to correction, we who believe and hold fast to the Truth will treat you like you're an unbeliever.

Thank God my salvation is not between me and you or any other believers but Christ Jesus my Lord.

You are not fit to give corrections and there is no correction you are trying to give. Take corrections first Ihedinobi3 before giving corrections.

Ihedinobi3:
Both things I said were necessary. I said the first because you tried to put words in my mouth and have it seem like I believe that there may be other books that are inspired. Of course, I don't believe or know any such thing. What I do know is that only the 66 books in question are inspired.

The 66 books are inspired because they have life in the message of their writings which I totally agree and believe.

I also see life in the book of Enoch or is it my fault that you aren't seeing it?

BTW Ihedinobi3 have you read the first book of Enoch?

Ihedinobi3:
As for your claim to a special maturity, that is why we are warned by Paul through the Holy Spirit in Colossians 2:18-19 to not listen to people like you. The Lord Jesus said clearly in John 10 that those who believe in Him know His Voice and listen to Him. He did not even suggest that you have to be mature in order to be able to recognize His Voice more than others.

The voice of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is different from yours, no need to bother myself about that. And I am not afraid because I have the Holy Spirit in me.

Thank God spiritual maturity is not to believe in the 66 books but to love the Lord God Almighty with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbors also.

Ihedinobi3:
But arrogant people like you who will not submit to the Truth will be looking to pretend that you are something special. That is why you end up as apostates (2 Timothy 3:8-9; 2 Peter 2; Jude 1:10-13).

only me arrogant, and you have quickly prophesied about me saying I will end up as an apostate. O Lord Jesus, have mercy.

Thank God Ihedinobi3 is not in charge of salvation, I wonder what would have become of me.

Ihedinobi3 you never expected that you will come across something like this that will shake your belief, the reason I became your follower is because you engage facts with facts but what I'm seeing here is empty display of emotions, confusing statements, and confrontations with anyone that will not align with you.

A snail cannot hide too long under its shell. Now I know you better. But anyways we learn on daily basis and I pray you unlearn, relearn and learn perfect truth.

Go back to the drawing board, ask you shall receive, knock and the door shall be opened, seek and you shall find.

I love you.

Thanks.

God bless.