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donnie:
EMPHATICALLY YES!

Well if you are a jew, then why not keep all the laws? would you burn your daughter for fornication, as a priest?

donnie:
He kept all the laws. The NT gospels are not even exhaustive yet we see him keeping even the feasts days. Christians have changed his laws and even His feast days which YAH commanded to be kept forever and claim to be following our MESSIAH.

YAHUSHA kept the shabbat -Luke 4:16, Mark 1:21.

YAHUSHA kept the Feast of Passover -John 2:23.

YAHUSHA kept the Feast of tabernacles John 7:2-10.

YAHUSHA Kept the Passover with his disciples Luke 22:7-19 and so on.

And his disciples continued after he left because they were the people of YAH and feared YAHUAH.

We may not be able to keep all the laws or Feast days perfectly until during the Millennium when He returns and brings us to our land. He will perfect all things and temple worship will resume perfectly.

But until then we establish and uphold the law and shun Idolatory and other abominations like Sunday shabbat which is actually Baal worship. We should keep His dietary laws.

My man, yeshuah kept all those things because he was a jew, are you a jew?
These are cultural laws for ancient jews, which included some laws like burning of priests daughter for fornication, cutting of a woman's hand for holding the man's private part in a duel, stoning for gathering on the sabbath, and some cruel stuff like that.

donnie:
Thank you... I like your answer.

But you know it is Christian a doctrine that the law is no longer binding on Yah's people.

...Especially the first four commandments.

Jesus hardly spoke about the civic or sacrificial laws of Moses. When jesus spoke about the law, he always elaborated on the moral laws.

Righteousness89:
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luke 16:24

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My man, how can a man burning in a fire need just a drop of water to cool his tongue? this is an hyperbole to show that we need the water of life to receive abundant life like Lazarus and Abraham. Also, how can a spirit burning in Hellfire have physical tongue that needs water to kill thirst?
While it is true that God would judge the unrighteous and destroy the unrepentant among them, it is important that we read the bible prayer fully and with understanding, asking the right questions in the process.

igahdavid:
In 2 weeks time, we all will see what they are seeing now

Nothing will happen.

grossintel:
Don't worry, y'all don't understand the mathematics of exponential growth. Sit back and watch this week and next.

Even if it grows exponentially, not many would die in Nigeria, many Nigerians would simply get it and recover, so quit the needless panicking.
The thing is people should just self isolate, wash their hands frequently so as not to infect those who may not easily survive, but l believe there's no need for panic at all.

sonmvayina:
It would not hurt to do a research..

https://www.aish.com/sp/ph/Isaiah_53_The_Suffering_Servant.html?mobile=yes

ok, so the nations are simply speaking of the jews here from their perspective, so were they wrong in their assertions? for instance in this excerpt from your link:

God desired to oppress” the Jewish people, in order to inspire them to return to Torah observance. If the Jews would only "acknowledge guilt," they would see their "offspring and live long days." This refers to the Messianic era when all Jews will return to Torah observance.

So answer me, was it God who really bruised and oppressed the jewish people, or the nations of the world were just talking nonsense here?

Also are you telling me the jews had no guilt in their mouth, and had done no crime? or the nations were also wrong here?

This your interpretation makes no sense to me, the passage just fits jesus more especially in the context of lsaiah 49. Anyway if this is what you and your fellow jews can come up with as an explanation for this passage, then l have nothing to say. l however, understand that Jews would come up with anything to reject jesus because of their persecution in the hands of Europeans over the years.

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The suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is Israel..God already told you that in 41:7-9..

lf that is true, then who is the servant of lsaiah 49v6? Read lsaiah 49 carefully.

sonmvayina:
Wrong premise.. The blood the Jews sprinkled was not a sign of salvation..

What was it for?

sonmvayina:
The servant is suffering because of what is done to him... Isaiah 53 is what the Kings of the earth will say, when they discover that the Jews has been right all along..

That is what l'm saying, you say the jews are the suffering servants, so that would mean according to that passage, that the lord laid on the jews the iniquity of us all, and it pleased the lord to bruise the Jews and make their souls an offering for sins. So this is also the handiwork of the lord. So the question is: Why is the lord offering a whole group of people as an offering for sin?

sonmvayina:
The suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is Israel..God already told you that in 41:7-9..

Whose idea was it for Jesus to come?.. If you say God.. Show me where he initiated such in the old testament..

lf the suffering servant is Israel, then isn't that more cruel of God to make the entire nation of lsrael a sacrifice for the world?

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If you are quite familiar with the story of job, when job learns of the party that his children has done he goes and make sacrifice for them, because he thought that they might have committed sin without knowing it..
God approved of animal sacrifices for unintentional sins, which has to be a goat less than 1 year old, and without blemish.. God never approved any human sacrifice, it is an abomination to him

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My question remains...What is the purpose of sacrifice at all? whether human or animal?

Why is it difficult for you to understand?.. It was never God's plan, no prophet prophesied about it.. God never said to believe in the death of the messaiah to be saved.. The Messiah is a man like you and me.. From the root of David through Solomon.. Not a demi God

lf so, then why did God order a lamb to be killed as a sign for the deliverance and formation of the nation lsrael? Why did they continually celebrate that feast of the passover lamb to mark their salvation? why sacrifice anything at all?

sonmvayina:
If you are quite familiar with the story of job, when job learns of the party that his children has done he goes and make sacrifice for them, because he thought that they might have committed sin without knowing it..
God approved of animal sacrifices for unintentional sins, which has to be a goat less than 1 year old, and without blemish.. God never approved any human sacrifice, it is an abomination to him.. He specifically warned the Jews "thou shall not kill"..
When the Jews where 40 years in the wilderness without temple or priest.. And no one to offer sacrifice.. Did God not forgive those who repented.. He did..
All God is after is a genuine and sincere repentance.. No one can do that for you.. It is your spirit that is tainted and needs to be cleansed.. And God is saying.. Confess and forsake, I will forgive... He does not require the death of anyone before that is going to happen.

There is no need for the Jesus story.. No need..

Why is it difficult for you to understand?.. It was never God's plan, no prophet prophesied about it.. God never said to believe in the death of the messaiah to be saved.. The Messiah is a man like you and me.. From the root of David through Solomon.. Not a demi God

The jesus story is the story of the people of lsrael. What was the reason God ordered the children of Israel to spill the blood of the lamb on the day of passover ( a day marking the salvation of Israel from slavery and bondage)? The death of jesus is not human sacrifice to appease God, any more than the death of a king for his people or a soilder for the salvation of his people, was a sacrifice to God. It was simply a show of love and determination on the part of jesus for his people that was a sweet smelling sacrifice to God, not the death itself.
You keep saying human sacrifice, is the death of the suffering servant in Isaiah 53( whoever that is) a human sacrifice to God, or a show of faith and love?

sonmvayina:
You are not following.. There was never any need for Jesus, never... God already provided a solution to the problem of sin..
The idea of Jesus coming to die for sins does not originate from God at all.. It is from pagan Rome, they just added it at the end of the Jewish scriptures as a mockery against God and to deceive you...

What solution did God provide for the problem of sin? lt appears he provided more than one solution, so why do you cling unto only one of the solutions?
From the book of leviticus l quoted to you, it seems that God had another kind of solution as well for unintentional sins, for the priest and for the community. This is what l am discussing about but you keep drifting off the main topic.

sonmvayina:
For unintentional sin... Not sin you commit intentionally.. You must confess and forsake.. Even when animals are sacrificed, you still have to confess and forsake..

A contrite heart you will not spurn..

lt's thesame thing with jesus sacrifice for sins, you must confess and forsake your sins as well. You write as though you have not read any book of the new testament at all, because you seem to be ignorant of what you criticize.
In the book of Acts after peter preached to the crowd, he told them to confess their sins and repent. This is littered all over the writings of the Christian new testament bible, so l don't know what you are on about.

sonmvayina:
But the Jews are saying, it's got nothing to do with them.. That the God of the new testament is not their God.. That at no time did God order a human sacrifice for sin remission... He specifically told them in his 10 commandment.. "thou shall not kill".. Why should he order a human sacrifice?.. It does not just make sense to me..

lt doesn't matter what the jews say, the jews would say all these because they have been persecuted by European Christians for such a long time. They should give clear proof of what they say.

sonmvayina:
Exactly.. Those where for sins committed unintentionally.. And it must be brought to a priest, it is usually an animal.. NEVER a human being and never done by Roman soldiers

What was the purpose of such a sacrifice? l thought you said earlier that God only needed repentance, and you challenged me to show you a passage where he commanded animal sacrifices?

sonmvayina:
Where?.. I need the quote in the old testament.. Please can you oblige me..

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, If anyone sins unintentionally in any of the Lord’s commandments about things not to be done, and does any one of them, 3 if it is the anointed priest who sins, thus bringing guilt on the people, then he shall offer for the sin that he has committed a bull from the herd without blemish to the Lord for a sin offering. 4 He shall bring the bull to the entrance of the tent of meeting before the Lord and lay his hand on the head of the bull and kill the bull before the Lord. 5 And the anointed priest shall take some of the blood of the bull and bring it into the tent of meeting.

Leviticus 4v1-5



13 “If the whole congregation of Israel sins unintentionally2 and ithe thing is hidden from the eyes of the assembly, and they do any one of the things that by the Lord’s commandments ought not to be done, and they realize their guilt,3 14 jwhen the sin which they have committed becomes known, the assembly shall offer a bull from the herd for a sin offering and bring it in front of the tent of meeting. 15 And the elders of the congregation kshall lay their hands on the head of the bull before the Lord, and the bull shall be killed before the Lord.

Leviticus 4v13-15

sonmvayina:
But there is just no time and no where that says he was sending his son as a sacrifice for sins.. Human sacrifice is an abomination to him...

So where did it come from? Where did the Romans get the idea from?.. Definitely not the old testament..

What was the purpose of those sacrifices? why sacrifice innocent animals for human sin in the first place? Why was Abraham tested with the sacrifice of his only son isaac? why such a test? l told you before, the new testament is very much like the old testament, just an evolution in Jewish thinking, with more matured laws.

sonmvayina:
But God already gave a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd Chronicles 7 :14..

This is cherry picking, God also told them to sacrifice bulls when they sin, why don't you quote that? and why is this God of the old testament killing animals for human sin?

sonmvayina:
How where the people in the old testament saved?.. Did God say the way was going to stop?.. When and where?

They were told to sacrifice bulls and goats as a sign of the messaiah who would come like a lamb.

Preciousgirl:
Are there people who are predestined to hell? Are there people who are predestined for eternal life? Who initiates salvation in a man? The man first or God? Can one lose his salvation? Thanks a lot

Question....Are there people who are predestined to hell?

Answer...Everyone is predestined to hell (grave without hope of resurrection to live in God's paradise), because not only are we all humans with a temporary body, we are also weak and vulnerable to sin and it's effects. Sin is simply going against the will and commands of our creator, thereby defeating the purpose of our creation.

Question...Are there people predestined for eternal life?

Answer.. l don't know.

Question.. Who initiates salvation in a man, the man first or God.

Answer...lt has always been God first, but many people do not respond.

Question...Can one lose his salvation?

Answer...lf by this, you mean can a christian fall away from grace, then yes if we turn away to sin again and disobey God or eat our vomit, then we are in similar danger of sin and it's consequences in thesame way it pertains to the ungodly until we repent and turn away from our sins.

MFMRevivalist:
God bless you for that question sir.

Salvation from eternal damnation after death in the lake of fire (hell fire) as punishment of those enslaved to the devil through sin.

Amen?

Salvation from our sins.
Jesus came to save people from their sins by teaching them the ways of God and giving up his life as a ransom to the enemy in order to lay the foundation of a new world order through his followers.

sonmvayina:
Salvation through christ from what??

From the effect of sin in the world. Jesus brought salvation to lsrael from their collective sin and it's effects( slavery, sickness and death).Jesus himself however was affected by the sins of the people, he was also subject to similar conditions, so lsaiah 53 says he was bruised for our iniquities. However, the good news is that all who obey his laws would be saved from their own sins in this world, and then in the world to come they would be completely saved from the collective sins of their community and the entire world.

OdefaGirl:
We are not here to drag who takes the lead or not.....let there be healing in the land.


I have one question that begs for answer(s),
Would a survivor of Covid 19 be infected again if exposed to the virus?

Very unlikely l think ( not sure), because the immune system becomes prepared to attack the virus immediately again if it comes back.

sonmvayina:
It can't be Jewish either, the Jewish God forbids human sacrifice, he abhors it.. Sin sacrifice are carried out by priest in the temple.. Not Roman soldier on a hill.. The Jews worship an all powerful God that is responsible for both good and evil.. But the God of the new testament is only responsible for good things, the evil things were taken over by another God called the devil..
The old testament present a monotheistic belief but the new testament present a dualism... Big difference

Dualism was already present in second temple judaism in the 1st century, judaism changed so much during the exile to babylon and in the 400 years after Daniel. The new testament is a very Jewish book if you study the history well.
The new testament does not condone human sacrifice.
Finally if God is responsible for evil, then why do you worship such a god?

sonmvayina:
It means you don't even understand anything if you can't tell the difference.. It is not a continuation, is like somebody adding the quantity at the end of the book of revelation, will you quote from it as a continuation of the new testament?.. That is what the Romans did, adding their pagan religion at the end of malachi... The intention is deception..

The new testament cannot be a Roman invention, on the contrary it is very anti Roman.

sonmvayina:
God is consciousness.. Not a man or human being.. God did promise to send the Jews a Messiah, but he was going to be from the root of David, meaning he will have a father and mother. He will deliver his people from their enemies and restore peace.. He is not coming to die for sins, as God has already given a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd Chronicles 7 :14..
He is not a demi God (half man half God) the Jews don't have that idea.. It is in Roman /Greeks ideology (I guess you have watched clash of the titans)...

l understand, but every theory about God, whether from the Jews, Romans, or Africans, are nothing but theories. Christianity is not even all about jesus being a demi god or stuff like that, the idea is simply that God is manifested in jesus and we the body of christ can also manifest God if we live by the spirit of his teachings. The new testament story is a continuation of the old testament and a better amendment in my opinion, the new testament is not that different from the tanach, nor was it invented by the Romans.

sonmvayina:
There is only one God and one power in the Universe.. It is the name that is different.. The God the Jews worship and call Hashem (not yaweh, yaweh is one of the sons of Enlil,) is the same God Yoruba call Eledumare or olodumare is the same that igbos call CHUKWU.. Etc, the stories you read in the Bible are meant to teach us spiritual truth, the youubas have theirs the igbos have theirs... You are supposed to read or listen to them and learn the hidden messages in the.. They are not historical or actual events.. End of the day we are all gods just having a human experience..

So you accept the God the jews worship? then on what criteria do you reject the so called Roman christian god as false? why is the old testament true and not the new testament? l think l have asked you this before without any answer.

sonmvayina:
So does it make sense to you?.. What do you really understand about it..

I want to find the underlying factor in all of these hence my follow up questions.. Don't be offended..

l am not offended. lt simply says God would destroy his enemies in a second death. First, there is a resurrection of our bodies, where the righteous rise with glorious bodies, and the non righteous rise with bodies that can still bring them death. Then from my understanding, it seems there would come a time where there would be a second death for the unrepentant amongst the non righteous. These ones would be destroyed alongside satan in a lake of fire and die forever without further hope of ressurection. Probably some who took part in the first death may escape the second death, but whoever escapes the first death is blessed because the second death already have no power over him/her. All of these are just my understanding, and must not necessarily be taken as gospel truth.

sonmvayina:
OK, why do you believe it is true?

l never said anything about believing, it's just my understanding. lt's like me asking you why do you believe in the religion of your ancestors or why do you believe in the tanach?
Believing is not the only important thing, understanding something is even more important in my opinion.

sonmvayina:
So exactly what have you been saying..?

What l know the bible teaches, is about a fire that eliminates the enemies of God. The bible teaches death to sinners in the lake of fire, which is the second death. l read it as utter destruction, not an everlasting torment of individuals for all eternity, l read it as the fire itself being an everlasting fire, but the people( and the city babylon) it destroys, are dead and completely eliminated. That is the second and final death. Others may have other interpretations, but this is the plain reading to me.