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Splinz:
I have to agree here, not because you're saying it but based on my own experience too.
I've had members of JW knocked on my door countless times. And on each occasion, what I see are civilized and soft spoken people with decency in conducts.
But shockingly here, what I see is the complete opposite of the former. In fact, conducts here only befits hooligans.
And it makes me wonder. Could it be that all those sanctimonious & gentle looking people I see knocking at my door in the name of JW are in fact ravaging wolves in sheep clothing? Could it also be that their peace some sort of have an ON & OFF button that is switched on when knocking on the door and off when leaving?
Okay. I'd pretend the ones here are the "bad eggs" among that body of "peace loving people".

Amongst Jehovah’s Witnesses, there are some who haven’t attained a certain degree of spiritual maturity so while each person is working hard to put away old personality traits(Ephesians 4:22), it may happen that one gives way to emotional outbursts and the likes. No one amongst us is perfect(James 3:2), we’re all striving to put on a new personality befitting one professing godly devotion. Ephesians 4:24
Normally, there are some Scriptures that Witnesses are meant to keep in their heart when situations such as these arise.
2Timothy 2:23-24
“Further, reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights. For a slave of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all, qualified to teach, showing restraint when wronged,”

The true God is perfect, righteous and just in all ramifications. Deuteronomy 32:4
With that said, the underlying context gives a clue as to what the Scripture means. The preceding verses talk about the destruction and desolation of Babylon. Then the verse 7 in some Bible translations read: “I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.”
So God brought back the sins of Babylon upon them by using Kings Cyrus and Darius of Media and Persia to cause calamity for Babylon. Isaiah 44:27-28

@MaxInDHouse, I see you’re still giving these people attention
Even Witnesses who were once overseers but turned apostate know the way the organization handles child abuse cases is entirely different from what is being said here but let’s allow them do their thing.
I even saw one quoting Romans 13:1 yet he’s constantly wailing about his government. Doesn’t that suggest that these people remain subject to the government not because any scripture told them to but because the government can display aggressive show of force if threatened or rebelled against? To them, subjection to your fellow human should be as a result of force on the part of the other person so if they see grown up men submitting themselves to their fellow imperfect men and no force is being applied—such that is being done in Jehovah’s organization—they immediately think they’re blind or brainwashed, meanwhile that is is Scriptural requirement. Ephesians 5:21, Hebrews 13:7,17

Please how are they different from the three scoundrels, Korah, Dathan and Abiram, who rejected Jehovah’s appointed leader, Moses due to pride? Numbers 16:1-3,13
Maybe they thought that Jehovah should relate directly with them the same way he did with Moses and anything less than that, they would not accept!
These people should know that submitting ourselves to those taking the lead amongst God’s people is not because we are brainless or cannot think for ourselves but we do so because we have to show Jehovah that we are truly humble(1Peter 5:5,6) because someone who thinks his fellow human shouldn’t give him direction on what to do, is nothing but a proud and haughty person and we both know Jehovah detests such ones. Proverbs 16:5, James 4:6

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On a different note, I do hope you’re enjoying the Friday morning session of the Powerful By Faith! convention program. Well done, my brother.

MaxInDHouse:
Please brother, remove the link!
We can share experience with them but no link is to be made public!

Okay my brother.

This year’s convention has the theme “Powerful by Faith!” (Romans 4:20) Since the pandemic began, Jehovah’s Witnesses have adapted to newer methods of preaching and meeting together virtually. So this year, Jehovah’s Witnesses from around the globe warmly invite their neighbours to view the convention program and benefit wholesomely and maximally from the comfort of their homes. The “Friday” morning session of the program has been translated into more than 400 languages spoken by people from 240 lands. In fact, in our own locality, the program has been translated into some languages such as: English, Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Efik, Tiv, Pidgin, Nigerian English and even Nigerian Sign Language for those who are deaf. There is no charge or login needed to enjoy the program. Visit JW.ORG to see the schedule for which the program will be viewed throughout this month of July and the next.

Splinz:

That is serious.
Whilst there's nothing wrong in submitting to those God has appointed as leaders, in fact, we are instructed to submit to them (Hebrews 13:17), we are not told that such submission is accompanied by an oath, neither is it a requirement from God.
Perhaps the oath thing explains why people like the Op will go into abyss defending and affirming lies and falsehood, not minding what the scripture or God is actually saying. If an oath is taken to obey the so-called governing body, then heeding instructions such as 1 Thessalonians 5:21 becomes impossible. I mean how can one PROVE conscientiously what the governing body is teaching when you're under oath to remain loyal? Even if one were to prove and find anything contrary to God, but for the blind oath, such a person is technically silenced and kept under chained.
Initially I thought MaxInDHouse's lies and falsehood were products of indoctrination, ignorance and pride. But now, I think there's a new perspective to it.
You may want to take a look at this encounter https://www.nairaland.com/6616284/gods-moral-law-10-commandments/3#103054853 I had with him, to prove my claims against Max.

Take note that my response to your comment is only because you just came across misleading information so to help you out of that mire of confusion, I’m responding to this otherwise I couldn’t care less what the other noisemakers have put up there. Also, I find it really absurd that people who aren’t Witnesses should be able to explain clearly what “dedication” is better than those who are the real Witnesses.

Yes, before a person becomes one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, he undergoes Bible study in order to take in and assimilate knowledge of Jehovah and his Son, Jesus(John 17:3), make the needed adjustments to his life style(Romans 12:2, Ephesians 4:22-24), repents of his sins(Acts 3:19), exercises faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus(John 3:16, Hebrews 9:14-15) and then he makes a vow to Jehovah God to do his will(Psalm 40:8.) before getting baptized(1Peter 3:21) Also there are a number of things that Jehovah requires of us when he dedicate ourselves to him(Exodus 34:14, Deuteronomy 6:5, 10:12) so he takes our vows to serve him forever very seriously. Ecclesiastes 5:4

So contrary to what some have said, we are constantly reminded that we dedicate ourselves, not to any human or organization, but to Jehovah God himself and no one else.
Jesus himself while he was on earth dedicated his entire life to service of his Father, why can we say this? Because at John 4:34, he made a statement that sort of mirrors Psalm 40:8 that I earlier quoted where Jesus said: “My food is to do the will of him(Jehovah) who sent me” so Jehovah’s Witnesses today are also following in Jesus’ footsteps(1Peter 2:21) by dedicating our lives to serve Jehovah and being Jesus’ disciples. Matthew 16:24

Oldboss:
your body returns to dust while your spirit moved beyond the Cosmo's

YOU ARE YOUR BODY! The spirit simply means the breath of life that makes you a living person. See Genesis 2:7

udoji2021:
See confusion again.

You’re not getting it, are you? From the title of your thread, I was hoping you were basing your discussions on the Bible as to check its authenticity but no where in the Bible(Scriptures) have we been hinted of any such thing as life after death that is, when someone dies, something in the person keeps living on somewhere else. THAT IS NOT FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES!

OP, if there is life after death, then what is the essence of the resurrection which is actually a Biblical teaching? Isaiah 26:19; John 5:28; Acts 24:15
How come God told the first man Adam who brought sin and death to billions of humans(Romans 5:12), that he would return to dust i.e. non-existence? Genesis 3:19

DavidAO:
I’m selling a book brother, not my gospel. If I met you on the road, I’d share words with you without asking for a dime. I wrote a book on life and facts of God. Solicit might have been the wrong word bc I later checked.
I need support pls, it’s a book about discovery. I really do not need attacks in this phase pls. I’m only selling the book nothing else. If anyone is interested and they can’t afford It, I could give them a copy too. Life is beautiful when we support each other

Thanks. I don’t need it.

I thought Christians are not to be peddlers of God’s Word? 2Corinthians 2:17
To have used the word “solicit” really shows you’ve gone off the deep end. Don’t worry month just ended, alert will soon enter.

I personally do not have any issue with you and recently I’ve grown tired of arguments so this is my last reply to you. I regularly observe the encounter you have with Max and I drew the conclusion that once someone is able to comfortably defend his faith, you would label him “deluded” and “brainwashed”. These are the two questions you asked:

MightySparrow:

Why Jesus? Why didn't God destroy the Devil for once?

MightySparrow:

May I should add another, ' why is plan or redemption taking so long a time since the Fall?

These are questions that a toddler who handles Bible reading parts in the organization that you despise so much can easily answer off the top of his head.

MightySparrow:

Self acclaimed Bible teachers! The thinking of sole owner of knowledge of scriptures is the delusion I always mention. Over the years, the organisation has made some serious errors. Some it has acknowledged, some they have not. Some ex - members with good conscience have either left or disfellowshipes for the sake of truth. Many of these honest seekers served the erring organisation for decades before realising its errors.
As for me, I still read your publications, nothing new about rycling same rhetorics.
You will be a good seeker of truth if you expand your sphere of source of knowledge. Most of JWs I have met, are people that have their minds conditioned by indoctrination not actual knowledge. Those who are bold to leave the organisation regret the time of brainwashing in the 'truth'.
One or many hundreds on YouTube is Eric Wilson. Make time to watch him. Only unserious Christian can take JWs serious.Keep your spiritual food bro.

Of course, you didn’t think I was applying Jesus’ counsel at Matthew 7:6 in this case?

MightySparrow:
You have not given any intelligible answer, you display more of the delusion that reason.
The simple question is why Jesus and not the devil.
May I should add another, ' why is plan or redemption taking so long a time since the Fall? Meaningful answers biko

OK so now you want meaningful/intelligible answers from people you claimed are living in delusion? FYI, this is how a certain Nairalander by the name LordR.eed started out. He was what I would call your regular churchgoer until when he began to realise that he couldn’t substantiate his faith since real faith is not a possession of many(2Thessalonians 3:2) and so he became a full-time atheist.
Your question makes it evident that many who aren’t Witnesses are in serious spiritual hunger & thirst. Luke 16:24
Jehovah’s Witnesses always invite people to come and join them in partaking from Jehovah’s table where there are an abundance of rich, free, spiritual delicacies(Isaiah 25:6, 55:1, Revelation 22:17) which helps one remain spiritually alive and healthy(Deuteronomy 8:3) but since most people decide to reject the proper source of spiritual food(Isaiah 55:2), they remain in spiritual hunger. Amos 8:11

OP that’s a very good observation. The simple answer to your question is stated at John 14:19 where Jesus said:
Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.

After his resurrection, he restricted his appearance only to his disciples. See John 21:1
But the world in general, including the Jews who persecuted him to the point of death, weren’t able to see him after his resurrection.

That’s why the two angels said his return would be in like manner(Acts 1:11) i.e. it wouldn’t be publicly announced and noticed by the world but only his disciples would be able to understand the signs of his presence. Matthew 24:3

OP, is speaking in tongues synonymous to speaking balderdash? That is, uttering nonsensical words without meaning?

Here’s a couple of things you’re missing:
1. You quoted the second chapter of Acts but you forgot to add the verses 9-11 where the Christians were speaking actual languages they had not yet learned in order for the message they preached to reach people of all nations. See also Acts 1:8
2. Later on, the Christians had the gift of interpretation(1Corinthians 12:10) in order to interprete tongues/languages so that God’s Word do not become treated with scorn amongst unbelievers who don’t value the message(Matthew 7:6) so anybody from outside the congregation who needed to understand the message given in a particular tongue, was helped by one from the congregation who has the gift of interpretation. 1Corinthians 14:22

Let’s come back to you now. After you’re done speaking what you think is tongues, who interprets what you’re saying, or are you telling us that 1Corinthians 14:27 does not apply? If there is no interpreter, of what use is the speaking in tongues? 1Corinthians 14:28

Moreover, the same Paul wrote that at some point, the gift of tongues ceased to have any relevance(1Corinthians 13:8.) i.e. it phased out since the purpose for which it was used had been accomplished(1Corinthians 13:10), that is the congregation was able to grow to maturity. 1Corinthians 13:11

What are the “words” of Christ that one must keep? No argument, no prejudice, no preconceived judgment. Just the answer in clear terms.

dudusky007:
Good day nairalanders, these days we have a lot of betting companies in the world, as a Christian do you find this as a sin? some claims even going inside to charge phone is a sin... on my own opinion is not a sin because in life you have to take a risk and what ever we are doing is a gamble..for example the provision store you have,you still looking for gain..you took risk in buying goods of 4000 to sell for 6000 that's gambling. what if it doesn't sell and get spoilt? same as playing game with 100 naira to win 10,000 naira and you lose or win. Please give your own opinion and give a concrete proof from the bible scripture

Gambling is a practice that is fueled by greed, i.e. an inordinate desire for more, which can be lead to covetousness if the desire becomes stronger. It is a destructive habit that can send one down a dangerous path in life that is why the Scriptures admonish us to “guard against every form of greed and covetousness” Luke 12:15
Someone who gambles has greed which the Bible also likens to idolatry(Colossians 3:5) because that which he gambles on, takes up most of his time and seems to be the only important thing in his life.
It is already known that an addictive gambler always borrows to pay debts, and a borrower is a slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7
Why would any one in their right minds want to become a “slave” to an inordinate desire? Romans 6:16
Moreover the Bible says that a greedy person cannot become a friend of God. Ephesians 5:5
So if we truly want to become God’s friends, we will make the necessary adjustments to our lifestyles. James 1:22

haddeylium:
The bolded, you pushed abiogenesis which is just a mere hypothesis without credible evidence as substitute for disbelief in a diety. Really?
Cos' in your personal opinion, the former is holds more water that the latter. You can't prove that neither by experiment or results.
As mysterious as you claimed it is, you holding on to it now requires FAITH. (Yes! your faith in it does not produce any result)
Just like Many religionists on this forum, you're in the same category with them. They cannot prove the existence of their God either by experience or any worthwhile results.
Just like how you chose your own mystery, others did with theirs

Mans even said that “faith” is limited to just religious matters. But it’s evident that it has its place in science too but he just wants to deny it. Too deplorable for my liking.

LordReed:
LMFAO @ creation theory. OMFD!
Just like the authorities do not need to see with their own eyes to find you guilty, they don't have to see it with their own eyes to prove it is correct.
No it is not similar to faith in a god because it will be a conclusion reached by hard evidence, not hearsay and fanciful tales.

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EMILO2STAY:
all mouth and empty in substance. you are lucky the atheist arguing with you are not grounded in science, They would have put you to rest in 2minutes by using your own science against you.

Unfortunately for you, your fellow atheist already wrote down on you so it’s clear who the misinformed person is between me and you. Guy accept your L like a man and move on.

LordReed:
LMFAO @ creation theory. OMFD!
Just like the authorities do not need to see with their own eyes to find you guilty, they don't have to see it with their own eyes to prove it is correct.
No it is not similar to faith in a god because it will be a conclusion reached by hard evidence, not hearsay and fanciful tales.

Oh, it will be? Which is a future tense? So for now you have hope that it will be supported by evidence? If that’s not faith, what do you call that? Or do you think faith is limited to only religious matters?

LordReed:
Wrong. Abiogenesis is about how hypothetically life came from non living matter. It says nothing about going from simple to complex cell structure.
Abiogenesis may yet be a mystery but it holds more potential explanation than a tale of magic and talking snakes.

The Creation theory will give abiogenesis a run for its money any time any day. So in essence, those scientists hope that abiogenesis is true since it is widely accepted amongst them? Isn’t that the belief they have since they haven’t seen it with their own two eyes—which is similar to the belief in a God that Creationists haven’t seen?

LordReed:
How does it have evolution intertwined?

Abiogenesis involves living organisms arising from non-living organisms and developing from simple to complex cell structures over a considerable amount of time—which is basically evolution & laughable if you ask me.
Even scientists agree that the process of abiogenesis remains a mystery—yet this is the belief that most atheists have adopted as a substitute for their belief in the Creation theory.

LordReed:
LoL! Says the guy who made a blatantly false blanket statement about atheists. BTW I didn't deny anything, I am pointing out your misinformation.

You really don’t get it, do you? Even the abiogenesis theory that claims to explain the origin of life still has evolution intertwined into its mix but you’re not ready for that discussion.

LordReed:
Wrong. The only people who believe that life began through evolution are the misinformed like you.

Oh, so you deny the fact that the Big Bang never occurred and that the evolution theory is wrong? Good. Let other atheists speak for themselves since nobody made you class monitor here.

Elvictor:
where and where are ritualists having a field day in Rivers State?

Seems you don’t know that these “one chance” vehicles have become rampant nowadays in Rivers state?
A friend to the sister of a close friend of mine said she narrowly escaped one recently. It even appeared that an elderly woman in the cab was in on it too. Car owners are also not any safer.

hupernikao:
You aren't reading what I wrote well Sir.
Jesus, God became a man and will remain a man for your sake. God's authority was not for God, it's for man. David showed you that Ps 8, Genesis told you that Gen 1.
God's dominion is for man. Christ (man) is the model son (man) that entered into that dominion through his obedience (God don't obey God, the man Jesus did). This is so that men can know that, man can be at peace with God and dwell in same place with God.
Jesus, is called your brother because he is the man Jesus. God is not your brother, he is your God. Jesus, the son (man) is our brother. That is God who became man for you.
He died as man, rose as man, sit today in heavenly as man. This is why you can sit in him. God don't sit, man sit in the place of authority. He became God's servant for you. You have to understand Bible language used for Jesus even till now. It's man's authority.
So, take your Bible and read all prophecies of old in this light so that you won't start seeing Jesus man in heaven before his birth in earth.
This is foundation of Bible theology.

I have time for more pressing issues than reading your writeup. This is what I could get from all of your posts in summary:

hupernikao:
And more importantly, show me a text that called Jesus the son of God and not refering to his earthly birth.

Then my response was and has always been:

DappaD:
Okay. This is what Revelation 2:18 has to say about your stand because the statement was made more than 60 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ:

“And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the
Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;” KJV

What you don’t know is that one thing leads to another because cause and effect is a real thing.
Please is Jesus still a Son of God or not after his resurrection to heaven? Why did he not cease being a Son of God since you said the title only refers to him as a human in earth? Address these issues and stop deflecting I actually don’t have time to read jargon.

OP check this out: Most atheists subscribe to the belief that life originated by blind chance i.e. through mindless evolution(which is absurd by the way, considering the complex nature of a cell) But the thing is, they do not have visual confirmation that evolution is actually a fact. Whatever the white men in suits and labcoats cook up as theories is what some swallow hook, line and sinker without bothering to check out the facts. Since they have never seen evolution occur with their two eyes—when asked to give proof of it—they come up with something like: “You don’t have to see it to confirm it’s true”. (I’m not kidding, that’s what a Nairalander by the name of “FatherofJe.sus” told me) What’s the implication of that statement?
That the atheists also have faith that evolution is a fact, which begs the question: How are the atheists different from those who believe in a God since the atheists are also exercising faith in something they’ve never seen hoping that it’s true?

hupernikao:
I will stay on the topic of your misinterpretation of Jesus as angel first. Since you are yet to still understand what the name or the person Jesus means. Nor understand the humanity of Christ. Going into his resurrection will only bring more confusion to your reading.
All texts you quoted up there has nothing to do with what the authors implied. They are your imaginations. But it's allowed, it's a stage in Bible learning. To imagine, to lift scriptures and see self revelation in the name of spirit inspired revelation.
I am sure soon you will be able to fully read the scriptures and accept it the way the authors were inspired and interpret it as such.
Pending that time, get this right in your mind and it will help your explanation of who the man Jesus is.
1. Jesus is a man born of a woman, the savior of the world.
2. Jesus wasn't the name of God, it's a name given by God to a MAN at birth, who will at last bear the authority of God.
3. When you Read OT text, stop referencing Jesus as preexisting in any form. No text for that. I know you have text that can confuse your reading. But check it well, they are mostly prophecy of the future about a MAN to be born, Jesus. Any interpretation outside this is self imagination.
4. Stop quoting verses without reading its full chapter to understand what the verse is truly saying. Read the chapter first to give meaning to a verse, then use your knowledge of other places in the scripture to interpret the verse. Don't give an independent meaning to a verse.
A verse must retain its meaning when read with its surrounding text. That is, the meaning of a verse, no matter anywhere you want to apply it, must be derived from the context of the chapter you are lifting it from.
Read the above again.
This is how your errors are seen in all verses you are quoting.
If we insert those verses back to their surrounding context and chapter and read it together in their chapter for a meaning, we won't arrive at the meaning you have been giving them when read independent from their surrounding text.
Hence not biblical.
This simple rule above is sacrosanct in Bible interpretation and save us from imagined inspiration driven by desire of self revelation.

Oga you said that whenever Jesus is referred to as the “Son of God”, it means the Bible is talking only about his life on earth as a human. Then I showed you Revelation 2:18 and all of a sudden you went numb because you saw how your earlier interpretation was faulty. What you don’t know is that Revelation 2:18 even checks out with Job 2:1 that Jesus was amongst the sons of God, but if you do not agree, then it means Jesus never had a prehuman existence which would then render Micah 5:2, John 8:23 and John 17:5 invalid. Then I also mentioned Acts 3:13 where Jesus is referred to as a Servant after his resurrection to heaven and up til now you’ve not been able to resolve it. So deal with all of that first before coming to tell me how and why I shouldn’t quote which scriptures in the Bible.

hupernikao:
You need to pay attention
Man died for man, man rose,
[highlight]man sit at the right hand of God.The man Jesus.
1 Tim 2: 5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
The man Jesus, is the son of God and remain the son forever for your sake and mine. That is the beauty of salvation.
God's dominion and authority is for man, it's man that sit in that authority today, the man Jesus. The reason we are seated with him.
God's dominion promise even from Genesis is for man. Why then will it be hard for you to see that, the man Jesus, is the model son for all men. The reason he is today your brother, you are joint heir with a man, not with an angel.
Jesus, is man, man, man,.....
Son of God, died, buried, glorified as man.
The same reason we believe in the resurrection of our mortal body on the last day and changed to Man (a new man) not to angels because we saw it in Jesus.
In Jesus man, he showed us that man can live with God forever, and have God's dominion forever, hence this is our hope.

Your goal-posts shifting techniques needs to be studied.
LOL! So you’re prepared to run mad if it means that you should accept that Jesus as subordinate to God, now I guess Revelation 2:18 put you in your place wrt your misguided notions. The scriptures say that Jesus died as a man(flesh) but rose up a spirit being(1Timothy 3:16, 1Peter 3:18) but once again you employ unscriptural views in a discussion such as this. If Jesus is still a man(flesh and blood), then that means his baptism at the River Jordan was a charade or a joke? Mark 1:9
And that he was never really born from spirit to become spirit? John 3:6
And also that he never qualified to inherit God’s Kingdom since you claim he is still human with flesh and blood. 1Corinthians 15:50

hupernikao:
Well, to start with the user hupernikao existed even before hoopernikao and I am quite sure that it does exist even before you register your user Dappa. So hupernikao is not a copy, it's the copy.
Secondly.
The facts that you don't even address what you were pointed to shows a big gap in having your discussion.
All texts of the scriptures you used are poorly quoted and interpreted. Lifting text out of its surrounding texts is common with you,

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Now remove your self inspired revelation goggle in your eyes and read/respond my questions below.
1. Point to where you see Jesus in Job 2:1
On another day the angels[a](A) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them(B) to present himself before him
Satan was mentioned. Tell me the man, Jesus there.
2. And more importantly, show me a text that called Jesus the son of God and not refering to his earthly birth.
How you even say Jesus and can't phantom it that you are speaking about a man in the flesh amazes me. A name giving at birth. This is a fundamental flaw.
Jesus was never a son until birth. He became a son for you, for me for the world to partake in our humanity. That sonship is humanity. So, stop saying Jesus when explaining visions of heaven in the OT, else it's a prophecy for the future. Hence Mal 3, Isa 42, is refering to a man, Jesus. Not an angel in heaven.

Okay. This is what Revelation 2:18 has to say about your stand because the statement was made more than 60 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ:

“And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the
Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;” KJV

Since you claim that Jesus’ sonship is only restricted to his earthly life, why is Jesus still calling himself the Son of God after so many years that he returned to heaven? Is he still a human being in heaven? At least, if he is no longer the Son of God, then he should have referred to himself as something else but alas, Revelation 2:18 is out there for all to see.

hupernikao:
Your observation above doesn't reflect my view on Mal 3.
This is my response to Mal 3 to the person you quoted. Read it well then you can respond base on my view.

Are you also saying that Isaiah 42:1 doesn’t refer to Jesus Christ?

hupernikao:
You guys won't seize to amaze me with your Bible misinterpretation. It's like there is a special goggle you use to be seeing this revelation and Jesus in OT text. Seeing Jesus in Isaiah 6:8 will require a deep imagination of self inspiration.
Where did you see Jesus in Isaiah 6:8 . What are you reading Sir.

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Well don't forget this as I told your colleague,
That Jesus is a name of a man, stop seeing him in your spiritual realm before his birth. You can't find him there, who you find is God. Don't read Isaiah and be seeing Jesus, a man born thousands of years later except it is a prophecy of the future. Christ preexistence is not in angel, is not in view of all these your revelation and misstext.
You need to read the bible the way it is inspired, that is when you will have a proper understanding of Christ.

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Jesus uses voice of archangel? Please reread that text well. Is it soprano or alto. Lol.
Just ensure this is clear. That when you say Jesus, you are refering to a man in the flesh, human, subject to like passion. He died, like man, rose as man. This is the first point of your error to correct.

Isaiah 6:8 shows that Jehovah God has his own voice so if he’s equal to Jesus as you claim, then he wouldn’t need to borrow the voice of an archangel to raise the dead as 1Thessalonians 4:16 put it.
Don’t misunderstand me.