Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 12:48pm On Jan 08, 2021 |
Emusan:
So you didn't understand the point @livingchrist made before you type that rubbish. The point is, for Jesus to still be an High Priest He must be a Human Being because ONLY as a human can one hold the office.Do you grab it now? Psalm 93:1 says that Jehovah is King and yet he exists as a Spirit. John 4:24, 2Corinthians 3:17 So for humans who became kings in the past, did they have to be spirits to sit on Jehovah's throne? 1Chronicles 29:23 Sometimes try and look at what you're typing before rushing to conclusions because you want to argue. I was observing the other thread when the Henry guy said holy spirit was an angel but because he wasn't JW, you didn't rush and label him your usual “LIAR LIAR”. Goes to show how much hypocrisy can eat a person up from within. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 12:38pm On Jan 08, 2021 |
livingchrist: Jesus is not flesh and blood livingchrist: Jesus had flesh and bones when he resurrected Please which one should I believe sir? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 9:44am On Jan 08, 2021 |
livingchrist: like I said earlier, some bible translation even renders it, as his earthly life. You yourself saw it that Jesus had flesh and bones. So that means he never inherited God's Kingdom? 1Corinthians 15:50 What a pity that you can render God's word invalid because of your faulty assertions. Matthew 15:3 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 9:41am On Jan 08, 2021 |
Emusan:
So after claiming the office of High priest wasn't meant for only Human, you can't provide where such office was occupied by Spirit Being, bahWhen your post is there to read, you want to change mouth ko So what does position of authority or titles have to do with the nature of a being? Simple question. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 10:45pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist: there are words in the bible that are difficult to understand, In the days of his flesh simply means his earthly life. My question is—at what point did Jesus stop being flesh? Because if Jesus was still flesh in heaven, Paul would not have made that statement that way. Compare 2Corinthians 5:16 Moreover if Jesus still exists in flesh, then he never inherited God's Kingdom. 1Corinthians 15:50 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 10:23pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist: No It does not mean Jesus has ceased to existing in the flesh but it means Jesus fleshly experience or Jesus earthly life. How else can you twist such a clear scripture. Of course, the passage is referring to Jesus' earthly life but it was more specific that's why it mentioned “in the days of his flesh”. That means after his death and resurrection to heaven, he ceased being flesh.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 9:04pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist: everyone knows what verse 7 mean, In the days of his flesh means when he was on earth.Can you show with scriptural references where spirits had being high priest? The beginning part of Hebrews 5:7 in Greek literally means “in the days of his flesh” which means that Jesus ceased existing in flesh after his death and resurrection. 1Peter 3:18 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 3:58pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 3:04pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist:
Hebrews 5:1, 4 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. Every high priest is taken from among men, and no man taketh this honor for himself. OK so you forgot to quote the verse 7 that specifically said about Jesus that: “in the days of his flesh” [KJV] he offered up cries and petitions to God? See also Luke 22:44 High priest cannot be taken from among Angel's meaning Jesus was taken from among men too not from among the angels. What this verse simply means is that every high priest must be a human.
I thought we've been through this before. What does position of authority or titles have to do with the nature of a being? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 2:51pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: It's like this is becoming a personal Bible study so i'll demand he say "PLEASE" before further lecture. I discovered he's now asking more questions no more counter arguments unlike before when he was arguing and quoting scriptures out of context!  Of course he's ever welcome to partake freely of the refreshing waters of truth that gives life. Revelation 22:17 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 2:05pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
livingchrist:
2. That is one, again The bible called Jesus an high priest a position made for humans, If Jesus is not human how come is the high priest? And who told you the position of High Priest was solely for humans? In fact the tabernacle built and that position held by humans were only a copy, a shadow of the main reality—heaven and Jesus Christ. Hebrews 9:24 Aaron, when he entered into the Most Holy compartment on the specified month and day, appeared symbolically before the very presence of God and presented blood that wasn't his own in the behalf of himself, his household and the nation of Israel. Leviticus 16:2, Hebrews 9:7 But Jesus, gave his own life as a ransom and his blood was poured out on behalf of many. Matthew 20:28, Hebrews 9:22 And since he's no longer a human but a mighty spirit being(1Peter 3:18)when he went to heaven, he presented the value of his blood before the ACTUAL presence of God which distinguishes him from humans who had been high priest in the past(Aaron,Eleazar etc). Hebrews 9:24-26 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Do These Verses Postulate Eternal Security? (JWs are not welcome) by DappaD: 1:00pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: She wants to wash but she detests WATER!  My brother, she has not shown any sign of dissatisfaction with the false teachings that are rampant today so as for now she cannot be Jehovah's lost sheep. Matthew 10:6 Our interests, time and energy go only to those who seek the true God in sincerity and those whom he has drawn to the truth. Psalm 145:18, John 6:44 Until a person can let go of that haughtiness trait, Jehovah our God has no interest in such person. Proverbs 16:5, James 4:6 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Jesus Same Person As The Father? by DappaD: 12:49pm On Jan 07, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Do These Verses Postulate Eternal Security? (JWs are not welcome) by DappaD: 8:49am On Jan 07, 2021 |
Preciousgirl: Men of God, what do you think? JWs are not welcome, thanks And how's that endeavour been so far? How many of your “men of God” have shown up to give you understanding regarding those verses you put up there? See all you need is to be humble and acknowledge that you have a spiritual need that should be filled properly which is a step in the path to happiness. Matthew 5:3 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehohah Witnesses Won't Kill Me With Laugh Ooo by DappaD: 12:07pm On Jan 05, 2021*. Modified: 12:23pm On Jan 05, 2021 |
vybzkartel:

So I was engaged in a discussion with a jw friend And he left me in stitches ;DI asked him if God is All-KnowingTo my utter shock, he told me NO I asked him to prove with Scriptures and he cited this:Genesis 22:11-12[11]But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” So he said, “Here I am.”[12]And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.” According to him, the bolded implies that God doesn't know ALL things as popularly believed  JWs won't kill me oooo ;DWell,. Maybe they don't see the following in their concocted NEW WORLD ORDER TRanslation:O LORD, you have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I rise up; [/b]you discern my thoughts from far away. You search out my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways. Even before a word is on my tongue, O LORD, you know it completely. You hem me in, behind and before, and lay your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is so high that I cannot attain it (Psalm 139:1-6).Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding is infinite (Psalm 147:5). For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things (1 John 3:20). [b]The eyes of the LORD are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good (Proverbs 15:3).wondrous works of him who is perfect in knowledge (Job 37:16).[/b]For he knows those who are worthless, and he sees iniquity without investigating (Job 11:11).Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him (Genesis 18:18,19). [b]And they say, "How can God know? Is there knowledge in the Most High?" Such are the wicked; always at ease, they increase in riches (Psalm 73:11,12). Jehovah God is the Almighty(Genesis 17:1) That means he uses his unlimited power in a controlled manner—not just anyhow he likes. Isaiah 40:26, Revelation 15:3 But he is neither omnipresent nor omniscient—because if he was, he wouldn't have created Adam in the first place since he MUST'VE known that Adam would sin and bring suffering & death upon all humans. Then it would mean that humans weren't the ones at fault in the first place and that since God “knew” humans would sin, he still created them nevertheless. You see how this turns into an endless loop. Some people might misunderstand Bible verses like 2Chronicles 16:9, Proverbs 15:3 & Hebrews 4:13 but those scriptures simply highlight the fact that nothing can be hidden from God when he chooses to investigate for himself, like he did in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 18:21 It is worthy to note at this point that Jehovah himself is righteous, holy and perfect in all ramifications. Deuteronomy 32:4, 2Samuel 22:31, Revelation 4:8 It is the human beings who have rejected God's wise counsel/direction and subjected themselves to many injurious things that God cannot bring himself to watch and observe. Deuteronomy 32:5, Ecclesiastes 7:29, Habakkuk 1:13 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Religion Is Nothing But A Tool For Control And Slavery by DappaD: 5:28pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
blackpanda:
i never told u i dont believe God exists. Dont pick narratives from the bloom for your personal amusement. Btw, Jehovah Witness is a satanic cult, one of the deadliest still existing till date. May I know how you arrived at the bolded please or is it just one of those rumours that's being spread around these days? You said you believe God exists but do you believe in his Word, the Bible? If the answer is yes, then read Proverbs 14:15. In light of that verse, did you take out time to verify whether that assertion you made up there was true? |
Christianity Etc › Re: World Ravaged With Fear by DappaD: 1:15pm On Jan 03, 2021 |
Dytex40: Today world is filled with fear because circumstances around the world is to make one to be fearful for instance Present pandemic Political unrest Careless government Bokoaram Herdsmen Kidnapers Mention only few where can one turn to for good news We need to turn to God .God tell Joshua to be courageous and strong because he has to lead the Nation of Israel into the can an land I must be strong enough to carry out these activities he has to fight his way not to gain the can an land many nation waiting for him to be defeated he must be strong similarly today we must be strong reasons because all this thing must happen we must turn to God by then we understand why all these things are happening read first Joshua chapter one vers 7 [color=#000099][/color] The reason why those things are happening is because the Devil(Satan) is currently in control of the world presently. 1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9,12 These events are foretold to happen at Matthew 24:3-7, Luke 21:9-11 & 2Timothy 3:1-5 The only solution to those problems is God's Kingdom(Matthew 6:10) which will remove all wicked humans and oppressive governments(Psalm 37:10, Daniel 2:44) and also restore the earth to peaceful conditions where only the righteous would remain. Psalm 37:29, 2Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1-5 |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 11:47pm On Jan 02, 2021*. Modified: 12:17am On Jan 03, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Her husband is an atheist and that's what he used to call her and all religionists!
I know of a couple on NL that the husband is an atheist but the wife is a Churchgoer claiming born again. It was when they were in need of financial support that they both came to beg NL followers for money that i realized the so called Churchgoer born again married a confirmed atheists!  I think I was around when this happened—concerning one Foly guy I guess??  Well, churchgoers from the onset don't have any godly standards they live by. All of them just want to answer “Christian” and deceive themselves about them being under the same “umbrella of Christ” despite conflicting doctrines and teachings so it's not any surprise when they make bizarre life choices. Proverbs 15:22 When Jehovah's Witnesses say we restrict marriage interests to only those in the faith(1Corinthians 7:39), they'll take offense and say “You can find love anywhere” but look how the husband now is molding her thinking. 1Corinthians 15:33  |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 11:25pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
nutarious:
Robotic answer, twisting like a snake. nutarious:
I recommend you chat up other robots on this case, you are disgracing the organisation. Lol Whether robot, zombie or fanatic—I assure you it's not today I began hearing all of these. In fact, even Jesus' own relatives thought he had lost his mind! Mark 3:21 What was the reason for this? Because he was always repeating this same phrase: “My food is to do the will of the One who sent me” John 4:34, 6:38 see also Luke 4:43 Jehovah's Witnesses in like manner are following his model closely(1Peter 2:21) by putting God's will as number 1 in our lives. Psalm 40:8, Zephaniah 2:3, Matthew 6:33 So you're free to continue with your ridicule madam, it will only help us bolster stronger faith in our God, Jehovah. 1Peter 4:14 |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by DappaD: 8:05pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Emusan:
But you believe the meaning of Jehovah to be "I will become what I will become" Question: Has Jehovah proved this to be true at anytime? Certainly, Jehovah can prove to be whatever he needs to be in order for his purposes to be accomplished. He has numerous titles e.g. Sovereign Lord, Judge, Grand Instructor, etc 2Samuel 7:22, Isaiah 30:20, James 4:12 @Exodus 3:7-10, Jehovah saw the burden and suffering the Israelites had to go through and he was moved to bring an end to all of it. So he sent Moses and an angel and Jehovah himself PROVED to be the Deliverer of Israel. Exodus 20:2 But did he have to metamorphosize into Moses or the angel to rescue the Israelites? What makes think he won't follow his own standards regarding the salvation of obedient humans? John 3:16 By sending his Son—like he did with Moses—Jehovah proved to be the only Saviour who has no equals. Isaiah 43:11 All of these proves that absolutely nothing can hinder God from accomplishing his purposes. It doesn't mean he would act anyhow he likes since he himself is zealous for following his own righteous standards. Deuteronomy 32:4, 2Samuel 22:31, Psalm 103:8-10 P.S.: I'm not giving this reply for your own sake but for those who are silent observers. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 5:34pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88: [s] He wants to run......hahahaha hahaha. Observers make Una hold am o, make e no run. Answer my question. Provide one Bible verse from your new world translation that shows Jehovah speaking through the Holy Spirit and it is explicitly stated. If u cannot, they why do u say so. On what authority are u saying that?......Scripture is our only standard remember[/s] My last reply to you until you do this assignment I've given you. DappaD:
Go and open Hebrews 3:7 and 4:7 Explain to me if Paul is contradicting himself. If you can't do that, then there shouldn't be any need quoting me further. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 5:29pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88: [s] To be guided and to speak through are to diff things Mumu Is the Spirit of God not in you. Does that mean that the spirit is speaking through you. Mumu Okay provide a verse in scripture where it says Jehovah spoke through the Holy Spirit? Because that should be a precedence on which u r basing this your interpretation of Acts 13:2 We are waiting!? Use your bible[/s]
DappaD:
Go and open Hebrews 3:7 and 4:7 Explain to me if Paul is contradicting himself. If you can't do that, then there shouldn't be any need quoting me further. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Holy Spirit Have A Name? by DappaD: 5:27pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
Question: Can God send himself on errands and be at two places at the same time? Person boldly open mouth answer YES!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 5:23pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88:
Guy u wicked o. Ur fellow JW is been roasted here like he goat and u cannot assist him. Kai! No love In this your JW o There's no single intelligent statement you have made since the start of this thread til now. Na so so noise here and there. You just be like one spoilt brat that his parents neglected during childhood. That's why I'm not even going to blame you. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 5:21pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88:
I thought you were just brainwashed but u r naturally dull. Was the Holy Spirit speaking through Jesus in this case. No! So what's the basis for comparison. How many channels does God use to communicate. ? You said he used the Holy Spirit initially,.later u changed it to Paul. Do u see how lies are making u fool yourself in public. Old man like u. How many mediums does God use to communicate. ? “The spirit is Jehovah is upon me”The words uttered by Jesus immediately after entering into the Jewish synagogue when he quoted Isaiah 61:1. See Luke 4:18 Except you're saying now that Jesus wasn't guided by holy spirit when he taught his disciples and the crowds. John 7:46 I'm still waiting for you to correlate Hebrews 3:7 and 4:7. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 5:16pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: There's no need wasting one's precious time on critics who thought everyone is just here to defend his religion, that's why he kept saying defence! defence!! It's only in times of trouble or for the sake of an interested person that we need to defend the faith. But in the absence of that, dropping few words to make them realise they're just making noise is enough! Ask them to present a gathering where the Holy Spirit is operating today. That's all!
What is still baffling me is what's going on in the other thread. None of them can seem to come to a final conclusion about the identity of their supposed Holy Ghost which they claim is a person. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 5:10pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88:
Acts 13:2. As they were publicly ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: 'Of all persons set Bar'na·bas and Saul apart for me for the work to which I have called them.' So Paul spoke of himself in this verse. How did he say it? Set Paul (himself) and Barnabas apart for me(himself again) for the work which (Paul) has commanded them to do? But I wonder y he is calling his own name if he is making this statement?....can u tell this forum why? This has got to be dumbest thing I've heard all week. When Jesus said at Matthew 17:22: “The Son of Man will be handed over in to the hands of evil men to be killed”, why was he mentioning himself in his statement? This just proves that you just want to continue arguing so that observers would think you have something to say meanwhile you're as emptyheaded as the other random churchgoers I've encountered on NL. This guy clearly needs medication In Addition Earlier u said God spoke through the Holy Spirit. Now u said God spoke through Paul. Or Jehovah spoke through the Holy Spirit then Holy Spirit now spoke through Paul..... Whoa!!!!.....such a long process for an Almighty Jehovah don't u think
Go and open Hebrews 3:7 and 4:7 Explain to me if Paul is contradicting himself. If you can't do that, then there shouldn't be any need quoting me further. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 4:42pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88:
I will finish this man today. Okay so David had a mouth and so he spoke. You cannot speak if u no get mouth. So in the case of Acts 13:2, The holy spirit spoke. Do u agree that the Holy Spirit has mouth, voice? Evidently, it was Paul who spoke those words at Acts 13:2. Jehovah God put it in his heart by means of holy spirit—he didn't have to hear God's actual voice from heaven. It wasn't like the voice he heard from Jesus on an earlier occasion either(Acts 9:15) That's why I brought up the whole Psalm 95, Hebrews 3:7 and 4:7 saga because it is exactly the same scenario. Compare Acts 1:16 |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 3:53pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: No matter how practical your comments seems to be as long as you're not ready to take a bow before their TRINITY dogheads you can't get anything right before them.  Just say "Jesus is front/back/Left/right and center" whatever gibberish that follows is OK to them even if you're saying some of them will enter Hellfire for not following some man-made doctrines, they will say "God works in mysterious ways" so just agree with their three in one god and automatically you're certified!  That guy in particular feels that someone must be at his beck and call at all times when most of us are busy with field service. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 3:38pm On Jan 02, 2021*. Modified: 3:55pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88:
Pls don't give me analogy. We are talking biblical and spiritual matters here. Give me scripture. I asked u to provide one translation that supports your acts 13:2 interpretation. Isn't there one that supports your analogy. You can even use your own Jehovah witness bible Okay should I spoonfeed you? David uttered and wrote what is now Psalm 95 compare Hebrews 4:7 but why does Paul at Hebrews 3:7 say that it was holy spirit that spoke when in reality it was David? The answer is at 2Peter 1:21 Faithful men of old were moved by God's holy spirit to make inspired utterances and in order to accomplish God's will. That's the case with Acts 13:2. |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 12:13pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88:
This one you dey talk nah story story.. Twisted interpretation. Let's not argue too much. Bros, Abeg just provide one translation Acts 13:2 of the Bible way support these your Jehovah spoke through the Holy Spirit. I will believe you!. Just one abeg. The analogy used is apt. Go over it again and relate it with Acts 13:2 |
Christianity Etc › Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 11:56am On Jan 02, 2021*. Modified: 3:41pm On Jan 02, 2021 |
freshboi88:
Straight from your New World Translation Acts 3:2 As they were ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: “Set aside for me Barʹna·bas and Saul+ for the work to which I have called them.”+ Ur NWT doesn't Jehovah said o. U r adding to the Bible Mr. It says The Holy Spirit said @ bolded. Where in this text does it say Jehovah said to Barnabas and Paul? Stop Adding to the Bible oga nah........ Psalm 95:7-11 ASV reads: “For he is our God, And we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To-day, oh that ye would hear his voice! Harden not your heart, as at Meribah, As in the day of Massah in the wilderness; When your fathers tempted me, Proved me, and saw my work. Forty years long was I grieved with that generation, And said, It is a people that do err in their heart, And they have not known my ways: Wherefore I sware in my wrath, That they should not enter into my rest”Paul applied the same verse at Hebrews 3:7-11 to those who have been chosen to rule as kings in heaven. Hebrews 3:1, Revelation 5:10 Paul even gave authorship of Psalm 95 to David at Hebrews 4:7. But look at what Paul said at Hebrews 3:7, “Wherefore, even as the Holy Spirit saith, To-day if ye shall hear his voice,” So who was actually speaking? Didn't those words originate from God? Wasn't it David who penned those words down because he was inspired/moved by holy spirit to do so? 2Samuel 23:2, 2Timothy 3:16, 2Peter 1:21 |