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nutarious:
Have followed the thread page by page, scriptural argument by scriptural argument.
When it comes to debating with Jehovah Witnesses, the whole debating will be changing like a twisted cord.
But as I have always noticed, when it comes to HOLY Spirit, this is beyond them.
If you want to expose the minds you are debating with if it's robotic, bring the Holy Spirit topic.
They have never had an answer.
But yet they try their best to respond. That's robotic, it's like a coded machine, meant to do it in a particular order, if you change the order or line of duty then the machine starts misbehaving.
Scripture warn us to guide our heart. Who would have believed a man can be made a robot?
But yes, doctrines, false believes etc makes Men become robots.
When freshboi started the Holy Spirit part I knew trouble would start for the thread.
What if?
Is a mysterious question that has brought change to this robotic tendencies.
Paul knew Holy Spirit
Peter knew him
John talked about him
James wrote about him
Master Jesus spoke about him
Infact, Paul ministry started because He was chosen to start by Holy Spirit.
The Acts 13:2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, Separate now for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.
How come in a thin 100 years ago some folks start bringing new robotic stories.
My point, you don't have to always respond to questions you are not sure. Go and find out first and come back, it's a new year.
Let this robotic tendencies stop among Jehovah witness.

Please can you address the thread by letting us know the name of the holy spirit ?

Because Jehovah's Witnesses have all agreed here that it's not a person but rather it's God's active force—means through which God accomplishes his will and purpose. 2Peter 1:21
And because of that, we have all remained in one line of thought and purpose. 1Corinthians 1:10

Meanwhile those whom you classify as “Christians” are all confused about the identity of holy spirit, they even falsely refer to it as “Holy Ghost”, some say it is Jesus that came again, some say it is God split into three. You can see the confusion amongst your fellow churchgoers. Perhaps you should see this thread if you think I don't know what I'm saying.
https://www.nairaland.com/6338828/does-holy-spirit-name

freshboi88:

Straight from your New World Translation
Acts 3:2 As they were ministering to Jehovah and fasting, the holy spirit said: “Set aside for me Barʹna·bas and Saul+ for the work to which I have called them.”+
After reading this u still think Holy Spirit is a force. Then your case is irredeemable.
Who spoke in this verse, and did the speaker refer to himself as a person?
Hahahaha........When arguement bout Holy Spirit comes ehn, as a JW it's just better to keep quiet, because that teaching is clearly against scripture on too many levels
Holy Spirit is a person. He spoke in this verse choosing Paul and Barnabas and even set a task for them to do. A force can't do that.

God was the one who spoke to Barnabas and Saul but only through the holy spirit which is God's means of communicating ideas to humans. Their utterances at that point indicate that they were inspired and commissioned to be apostles to the uncircumcised Gentiles. Compare Galatians 2:8

DappaD:
In the case of 2Samuel 23:2 however, it doesn't mean that holy spirit is a person that speaks to anybody. Because according to 2Peter 1:21, faithful men of old(including David)
were borne along/moved/incited by holy spirit to accomplish God's will and record prophecies. Judges 6:34, 2Samuel 23:2, Acts 1:16

Tcwork:
Any doctrine that encourages us to stop loving others can't be right. 1 corinthians 13.8 8Charity never faileth.
Even when we have fallen away God never stops loving us.
The father of the prodigal son never stopped loving his son.
We don't stop to show love for the purpose of religion.
Our religion is love

Jehovah's Witnesses are the embodiment of love. John 13:34-35, 1Peter 1:22
But 1Corinthians 13:6 says that “love doesn't rejoice at wrongdoing” (ESV Bible)
So love would not be extended to somebody who has deliberately pursued a course of sin and refused to change after help has been rendered. Galatians 6:1

Tcwork:
I am not sure the bible comanded that we block formal members on social media.Now let's be honest. If such a person was your boss, would you stop greeting him?
If it were your son, would you chase him from your home?

Love for Jehovah our God comes first before love for a relative or an associate. Matthew 22:37-39, Colossians 3:23
When it comes to the examples you highlighted, routinal activities may continue depending on the circumstances but close association/friendship ties will be terminated. 2John 9-11

Tcwork:
I really don't have any issue with church discipline but with the members taking it on to blocking the person on social media.
If it can get that far, something is terribly wrong.
Imagine if that guy was employed by a member does that mean he would loss his job?
Church matters are now being taken to the work place, social media and community
Its wrong.
If it was a Muslim that does such we would all condemn his action.
Every church is free to punish it's members according to their laws but we are now justifying the Ostracizing of a fellow human being.
That means if such a person was in a community with only JW members, he would starve to death.
No one would sell or buy from him.
You don't need to read the Bible to know that this is wicked

Sir there's no need to get emotional or to pull up the “Humanity first before religion” card . Just know that your viewpoint and that of the Bible are in sharp contrast because most people who claim they believe in God would argue that some parts of the Bible are incorrect and that's the mindset you're exhibiting now. 2John 9-11 says not even to greet such a person who has willfully violated God's standards and has also rejected help to change his thinking. James 5:14

P.S.: Do your best to quote me well without messing up the whole thing.

Tcwork:
Wow... I think this is teaching religious intolerance. Hopefully the apostles did not mean that we ostracize our fellow human beings.
Learning to show love to even the hopeless sinner i's the way of Christ.
Religious intolerance has not made the world a better place
Something I have come to learn is we can justify evil practice using the scriptures.
There is so much good about JW but religious intolerance and exclusion cannot be right.

You would do yourself a lot of good if you read 1Corinthians 5:11,6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 from your Bible and ask yourself if you would allow a person who practiced such vile things to be your closest companion.

Jehovah's Witnesses hold to high moral standards in liaise with the Bible and if someone has come to terms with Biblical standards and later decides to break them, the overseers in the congregation will attempt to readjust him after a number of times(Galatians 6:1), if he doesn't feel sorry about the wrong he did and doesn't change his ways, the disfellowshiping arrangement comes to the fore and is usually the last resort.

Tell me, if such disciplinary action isn't taken, don't you think the unrepentant wrongdoer will feel okay with what he did and that the others who are aware of his sinful conduct might think it's now okay to practice such things?

Discipline is painful but in the end it yields beautiful results when the wrongdoer changes his ways after reevaluating himself. Hebrews 12:11

Also, for your information, Paul expelled unrepentant dissenters from the Christian congregation. 1Timothy 1:20 see 1Corinthians 5:5 also.

MaxInDHouse:
Never mind my brother, he has the holy ghost but there's nothing to show for it!

At least we know that the REAL holy spirit and their Ghost are two different things.

freshboi88:

Just see mumu lies again. I will finish u today.
Use your God given brain
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan(A) has so filled your heart(B) that you have lied to the Holy Spirit(C) and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
@bolded who did Peter say they lied to? Even in your NWT, its the same.
So why r u arm twisting God's word to win an argument.
I ask again. How can u lie to a force?

Young man learn how to articulate your words without being rude. I've been asking you the name of the holy spirit ever since no answer yet just rants everywhere.

freshboi88:

You are a compound fool and liar
Acts 8: 29 The Holy Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and walk along beside the carriage.”
Guy u dey lie ontop God's word. May God deliver you. I pity u.
I'm enjoying your lies..... So let's continue, I wanna read more lies
Acts 5: 3Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
Make u no say nah my Bible so I'll quote that verse from your JW Bible
3 But Peter said: “An·a·niʹas, why has Satan emboldened you to lie+ to the holy spirit+ and secretly hold back some of the price of the field?
1) Can u lie to a river, wind or a stone?....if u can't ,why then can a force be lied to?
2) Was the Holy Spirit been lied to here also an angel ?
Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!....you are indeed comical
3)

So Acts 8:26 is not in your Bible or you're intentionally avoiding it?

If we literally read Acts 5:1-3 as it is, it was Peter whom Ananias was lying to. Is Peter the holy spirit?
Please try and use discernment when reading the Bible. You can surely read and quote but when it comes to the accurate knowledge you're no where to be found.

Peter was chosen to be an apostle(Mark 3:13-19) and God's holy spirit was poured out on him and 119 others on the day of Pentecost. Acts 2:1-4
Holy spirit was what moved Peter to give a heartfelt talk from the Hebrew Scriptures and apply them to Jesus Christ which is recorded for the most part in Acts chapter 2.
So since it's evident that God's holy spirit was working on him, that's why he was able to discern that Ananias was telling lies and that would mean that Ananias was disregarding the works of holy spirit among those taking in lead in God's people at that time. Acts 2:42 see also Matthew 12:31-32

freshboi88:

Mumu. Lying JW.
Acts 8: 29 The Holy Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and walk along beside the carriage.”
Mumu who does the Bible say spoke to Philip in Acts 8:28

In the case of Philip and the Ethiopian, it wasn't holy spirit that moved Philip but rather it was God's angel(which is a spirit person) that spoke to Philip and moved him to teach the Ethiopian the accurate knowledge about Jesus. Try to understand the context before rushing to conclusion. Acts 8:26



In the case of 2Samuel 23:2 however, it doesn't mean that holy spirit is a person that speaks to anybody. Because according to 2Peter 1:21, faithful men of old(including David)
were borne along/moved/incited by holy spirit to accomplish God's will and record prophecies. Judges 6:34, 2Samuel 23:2, Acts 1:16

freshboi88:
Ode!!!!!.....God's Spirit is called the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost.
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a word or set of words by which a person or thing is known, addressed, or referred to.
So you are already calling his name. Mumu

OK so the REAL holy spirit doesn't have a name ba? Therefore making it the impersonal active force that God uses in accomplishing his purposes. Psalm 33:6

freshboi88:
How does it prove that the Holy Spirit is not a person?....Can u tell us.

Is God's Word a person?

MaxInDHouse has give you a sound reply.
You always love shooting yourself in the foot. Does the fact that Hebrews 4:12 say God's word is alive make it a person? Sometimes you just need to sit down and reason before you hastily reply.

jantman:

Dont you know that Satan is also Lord in his own domain (Hell)?
What is the meaning of Lord?
Who is the Lord of Lord ? Is it not Jesus ?
Is Jesus not the king of kings and Lord of all Lord?
Why do you Jehovah witness love to twist the scripture to suite your belief ?
Why do you Jehovah witness people refuse to exalt JESUS as Lord?
The simple answer to my question is! You people have been deceived.

Don't be deceived, Jehovah's Witnesses recognize Jesus Christ and the role he plays in all of God's purposes. He serves in these capacities:
1. God's appointed King. Luke 1:31-33
2. Mediator of the new covenant. Luke 22:28-30, Hebrews 9:15
3. Our Ransomer. Matthew 20:28
4. Head of the congregation. Colossians 1:18
5. High Priest. Hebrews 6:20
6. The Lamb of God. John 1:29, Revelation 5:6
7. Judge. John 5:22, Acts 17:31
And several others.

But he is not the Almighty God and so doesn't deserve our exclusive devotion and worship. Only Jehovah God deserves that.
Exodus 6:3, Deuteronomy 4:39, Nahum 1:2


So you mean to tell me you haven't read those Bible verses yet? Later you people will say JWs changed Bible meanwhile open your own now you no gree. The truth is staring at you in the face Mr jantman.

freshboi88:

Deceive yourself hahahaha!!!!!!!....
More verses to expose your lies
3. Ephesians 1:13-14 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
@bolded Ephesians just called the Holy Spirit a person.
Who do u believe lying JW or scripture?

I haven't seen the name of the holy spirit yet. Have you found it?

freshboi88:
The Spirit of God is called the Holy Spirit.

The figurative “finger” of God is the holy spirit. Luke 11:20, Exodus 8:19
This proves holy spirit isn't a person.

MaxInDHouse:
I know it's all a lie Sir but please let me hear the truth by pointing, presenting, showing, telling me the name of any group where Mr holy ghost is working out positive results. That's all Sir!
Please if you can't do that i think any right thinking person will vouch for what is working instead of your Mr holy ghost that failed woefully to work out what is positive any where!
At least Jesus said "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" {Luke 8:32} So tell me the truth i want to be free from lies but it must be WORKING O! James 2:18-26

Lol let him go to Blab.bermouth's thread first. You'll see the way he'll start cursing and abusing his trinity brethren over the identity of their Holy Ghost.

freshboi88:

This one doesn't read my post.
The Ruach Elohim (Spirit of God), Ruach YHWH (Spirit of Yahweh), and the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit). In the New Testament it is identified with the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete and the Holy Spirit.
No
So after reading this isn't it foolish to be asking the questions u r asking. Re angels the spirit of God. You are dull
Spirit can mean a million different things in the Bible. But Spirit of God is Spirit of God. Pretty clear.
Thank God u said likened. Which is a form of comparison. The Bible doesn't refer to the finger of God as God. But the spirit of God, it does. I have shown that to you.
I go with what the scriptures say
Lol btw me and u who needs to study the Bible. Be deceiving urself. Im sure right now ur hear is already beating cos u know u have been scammed all your life

Simple assignment I gave you. Just provide the name of the holy spirit. I don't have time to read all of these jargons.

freshboi88:

Names and Title of The Spirit.
Ruach Elohim (Spirit of God), Ruach YHWH (Spirit of Yahweh), and the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit). In the New Testament it is identified with the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete and the Holy Spirit
You are a compound fool
Can sin and death express emotions, can they be lied to (Acts 5:3-4).
Is sin and death called Lord, or can a force be called Lord (Corinthians 4 >>
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.)
Also
2 Sam 23: 2 "The Spirit of the Lord spoke through me; his word was on my tongue.
The Spirit is referred to as a person and has all the attributes of a person
The spirit can speak, can think, can express emotions. Referred to as a person(2sam 23:2, cor 4:17)
If these clear scriptures are not clear enough then oga u have lost ur soul to the devil. Nah serious deliverance u need. You are in deep darkness!.

OK. Psalm 104:4 says the angels are also spirits. So does that makes them equal to the holy spirit as well?
Because that's the path you're towing wrt 2Corinthians 3:17. Or you've refused to understand that the word “spirit”[Hebrew: ruach, Greek: pneuma] mean up to 6 different things in the Bible?
Compare Matthew 12:28 with Luke 11:20 where Jesus likened the “God's holy spirit” to “God's finger” . Is the finger of God also God?
Oboy you need intense Bible study .

Blabbermouth:
Spot on.


It seems DappaD said something similar about this Matthew 28:19, I will do a research on that.


MuttleyLaff - "No one knows the personal name of the holy spirit".
MuttleyLaff, that might be right, but I need to ask - Do you believe He/it has a name?
Spot on.
It might not be his personal name, sure. Bringing it to our reality I can say - No one knows God's FIRST NAME, but He has given YHWH as his middle/other names.
God himself said - Yahweh is my name.
Hmmmmmm

I guess you're mistaking me for someone else or you didn't grasp what I said. Jesus’ words at Matthew 28:19-20 corresponds with his parting words to his disciples at Acts 1:8 so the “name” recorded at Matthew 28:19 is actually what Jesus said but it can't be restricted to just that meaning only. Matthew 28:19-20 appears in the original Greek text—it wasn't spuriously added.

freshboi88:

Your analogy is silly and doesn't fit the context of Matt 28:19.
Except you are saying
In the name of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So it's dead on arrival
On the context of the Holy Spirit.
Now can a force have love( Express Emotions)
Now I beg you, brethren, through the Lord Jesus Christ, and through the love of the Spirit, that you strive together with me in your prayers to God for me (Romans 15:30).
@bolded does your tornado have love?
He can be grieved: Your tornado dey express anger...Don't be silly man!
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).
The Holy Spirit can be insulted:
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insult the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:29).
He is a choosing Being
The Holy Spirit also has a will to choose:
But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11).
Did u see the Bible refer to him as He there. Jw has deceived you man
Does tornado express emotions, love, grieve. Does tornado or wind or force have the will to choose?
When u answer these questions honestly only den will the scales in your eyes fall

OK. Please freshboi88, what is the name of the holy spirit? Since it is a person then it should have a name.
Look at this now, does the fact that Romans 5:14 speaks of sin and death ruling as kings, make them real persons?

MaxInDHouse:
So only JWs believe that Satan is the ruler of this world shey? John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19
Even many commentators believe Satan is in control with all the evidence we're seeing around us. But it's JWs that mustn't say anything shey?
We hear you!
cc DappaD

You no see say them dey drag identity of their Holy Ghost for that other thread

freshboi88:

Is that what u want to tell yourself.
Your analogy didn't correspond to Matt 28:19.
How does
In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Correspond To
God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob
Is God the name of Abram, Isaac and Jacob. ?
Do u just like to mumble up nonsense from your head.
Being baptized in the "name" of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is a way of affirming the oneness that was in Peter's mind as he spoke of Jesus in Acts 4:12 and said: "There is no other name" by which we "must be saved."
Does it seem rational to say that Yahweh expresses Himself in three separate persons, yet exists as one single entity? No, it doesn't seem rational to us human beings . . . but then the creation of an entire universe from nothing doesn't seem rational to human beings either.
So u better believe it because the scripture speaks about it.

For the records the Holy Spirit is a being and not a force

When Matthew 28:19 said “in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the holy spirit”, your problem arises when you assume they're all the same person because they're used in one sentence. Hence, the analogy I used.

Okay since it is a being, please what is his/her name?

The main Greek word for “name” @Matthew 28:19 is not limited to one meaning and also means “authority” [check biblehub.com] so one who has been taught the good news about God's Kingdom from Jesus, which also includes “all the things [he] commanded”(Matthew 24:14, 28:20a, John 15:10) would become his disciple by getting baptized, recognizing the authority of the Father as Sovereign Ruler and Saviour[Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 43:11], recognizing the role that Jesus plays in all of God's purposes such as Mediator, King etc[Luke 1:31-33, 1Timothy 2:5] and also acknowledging how God uses holy spirit[which isn't a person] to accomplish his will and purposes. Luke 11:13, 2Peter 1:20-21

jantman:

(John 13:8-11)
Philip said to him, Show us the father; that is all we need and Jesus said to him," for a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the father. Why, then do you say, show us the father? Do you not believe that I am in the father and the father is in me
In (John 17-11) Jesus prayed. Holy Father. Keep them safe by the power of your (NAME) the name you gave me. Which name (JESUS)
(John 1:1)
In the beginning the world already existed, the word was with God and the word was God Himself.
Who is God the Father= Jesus
Who is God the spirit = Jesus
Who is God the Word = Jesus ( Emmanuel) God is with us
Who is Jehovah. I dont know

OK but have you checked Exodus 6:3 and Psalm 83:18 in your old KJV BIBLE?

MaxInDHouse:
Better allow them to continue with their cut and join arguments, a JW's comment will provoke all of them now as if you've brought some sort of a plague into their arguments!

Read the comment en.ilove made above. Anybody who comes in contact with JWs must experience a positive impact/change in his/her thinking.

freshboi88:

Firstly, different people can have one God. So I don't know how that relates Matt 28:19. But diff pple cannot have one name like we see in Matt 28:19. Using the case of God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob as ur back up is plain dumb and stupid. But I am not surprised you reason like that. Jw have filled your brain with shit.
Holy Spirit cannot be a force and yet have a name

The analogy I used exposed your fraud already.
I'm even surprised you didn't quote 1John 5:7 from your KJV because why else would you bring up Matthew 28:19 if the spurious additions made to 1John 5:7 isn't deceiving you?
The Father's name is Jehovah. Isaiah 64:8, Matthew 6:9
The Son's name is Jesus(Michael). John 20:31
Yet you're deceiving yourself into thinking that both the Father and Son share the same name.
So what's the name of the holy spirit then? I need a straight and direct answer from the Scriptures.

enilove:
The earth belongs to God :
Psalm 24:1 KJV
The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
After the creation of the earth , God gave the management of it to man , but man lost it to Satan by obeying him instead of God .
Since the time Adam fell till now , Satan has been ruling the earth .
The largest populations of the earth are worshipping Satan directly or indirectly .
The purpose of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ is to save souls and destroy this world .
It is because Satan is the ruler of this world that made him to ask for Jesus' worship :
Matthew 4:8-9 KJV
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; [9] And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
This world is ruled or governed by Satan .

Hmmm make I no talk
Cc: MaxInDHouse

jantman:
Restores the true name of God to Jehovah?
WHAT A BIG LIE. Jehovah is not the name of God. The real name of God is JESUS. By the mention of His name, every kneel must bow and every mouth shall confess that Jesus is the only True God.

OK. Read Exodus 6:3 & Psalm 83:18 from the old KJV Bible.

freshboi88:

MATTHEW 28:18-20 (KJV and NRSV) And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you.


Notice how scripture doesn't say in the names of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Instead it uses singular (name of).


That right here is the scriptural reference to the doctrine of the trinity.
No be me write am o nah so I'm dey for bible

Firstly, I thought by now we've established that the REAL “holy spirit” which the Bible talks about is not a person but rather the energizing force which God uses in accomplishing his will. Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28; Exodus 8:19

Secondly, the expression: “Jehovah the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob” occurs in both the OT and the NT(Exodus 4:5, Luke 20:37)
Does this mean that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are all the same person? Because this would totally negate that logic you tried to pull up regarding Matthew 28:19.

freshboi88:
That's not what my Bible says.

Dual nature of Christ.

Son of God and Son of Man at the same time.
U accept one and discard the other making u a terrible liar and heretic.
John 5:18, NIV: "For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." ... For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God."
Liar Janosky says no man is equal with God. But Jesus claimed equality in John 5:18 @ bolded.
Who would u rather believe Lying JW or the Bible
No be me talk am o, nah I'm dey for bible

Oh, so na duality and dual nature now? No more trinity? What happened to the Holy Ghost biko?

Janosky:

Shadeyinka and all Trinitarian devotees can NOT understand that Philippians 2:9-10 & Hebrews 1:9,13-14, Jesus Christ elevation was in the spiritual realm.
Also, the context of Hebrews chapter 1 speaks solely about Jesus elevation above other sons of God in the spiritual realm, Jesus companions in heaven, NOT humans .
Trinity devotees DECEIVING themselves

One can now begin to ask himself, since they also elevated holy spirit to God level, why wasn't it mentioned anywhere in Hebrews 1?

shadeyinka:
Anyone who claims an angel died as atonement for their sin despite the clear scripture
Heb 1:13-14:
"But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"
is living in a world of self delusion and most certainly demonized. For there are doctrines of demons flying around.
So, you see WHY those who turn blind eyes at the scriptures cannot be of the same family of the sons of God. It's not about denomination, it's about holding up the centrality of Christ.
If Christ isn't the true God, then certainly he must be a false god.
Exo 23:13:
"And in all things that I have said to you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of your mouth."
And yet, you would call Moses a literal god and Jesus another god.
It wouldn't even cross your darkens minds that Moses being a god unto Pharaoh is a figurative expression. No! It doesn't serve your other lies!
Anyways, you see why your first question where you insinuate me using double standards doesn't hold water.
I rest my case.

Hebrews 1:9
NET Bible
“You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has nointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions.”

International Standard Version
“You love justice and hate wickedness. That is why God, even your God, has anointed you rather than your companions with the oil of gladness.”

Darby Bible
“Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy companions.”


Please who are the companions of Jesus? Hebrews 1:4,13 answers this to be the angels. Why do we say so? Because Jesus is God's firstborn Son(Colossians 1:15-16) while the angels are his other sons who do his will(Psalm 103:20, Hebrews 1:14)

So I'm certain that Hebrews 1:9 should be able to clear up the confusion because that place said that Jesus was elevated to a higher position above his peers/companions[the angels] . See Philippians 2:9-11 also.