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freshboi88:

Mumu. It is modelled after the anti Christ. One who is here to ridicule the Christ!.
That's why they tell all sort of lies and change scripture to ridicule Jesus.
Satanic sect

OK OK is that all?
Please what's next??

MaxInDHouse:
It's good i know but don't understand the dual nature of your god!
However i'll love to remain delusional than having to go about trying to convince right thinking people how my god SENT himself, as a baby protected himself, grew up and dedicated his life to himself, tempted to betray but remained loyal to himself, called and answered himself, commended and approved himself, prayed to himself, begged himself to protect himself, died and resurrected himself, then returned to heaven and sat by himself to present the value of his death to himself, he will then approve himself to rule for a thousand years and later hand over everything back to himself so that everyone can know that he's been doing everything all by himself!
Even my little grandson (Dave) will suggest that his grandpa need to see the psychiatrist if i try to teach him this wonderful good news!
So if it's delusion that's making me not to understand the mystery, i think i'll love to remain deluded for good!

This is Luke 22:42 in any normal Bible:
“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.”


Meanwhile, this is how Luke 22:42 should read if the trinity doctrine was actually true:
“Myself, if I want to, remove this cup from myself. However, let, not my will, but my own will be done.”

My brother, Trinity has gone mad oo

MaxInDHouse:
He is confused! Just ask him what members of his ECWA Church believe on the same issue, it's YAM PEPPER SCATTER SCATTER
ISU ATA YÁNAN YÀNAN
So he's bothered that JWs aren't like that!

Their “JW is a cult” slander don dey fade.
Them need to find new one oo.

bingbagbo:

Thanks very much my dear
JW is a cult!
There is no Jehovah in the Holy Scriptures
God is Jesus

OK so after all of these what's next on the list? Seems all these your “JW is a cult” rants is gradually fading so anything new yet? C'mon you can do better.

shadeyinka:
Since you are leaning on the side of technicalities, let me rephrase
In the light of

Heb 1:13-14:
"But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"


Did an angel die on a torture stake for you?
A YES or NO will suffice!

Mr YES or NO, what did Jesus say at Matthew 20:28 and John 6:38? He said with his own mouth that he came to minister, to serve and to do his Father's will. Just like the angels in Hebrews 1:14 also do.(see Psalm 103:20)

So basically, God sent Jesus which automatically makes Jesus an angel and if we add everything up then the short answer to that question is YES sir. John 3:16

shadeyinka:
And that's exactly the same reason that those who has an angel dying for their redemption should not claim they believe the bible for no angel died for me!
Heb 1:13-14:
"But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"
You didn't answer my question:
Did an angel die on the cross for your salvation?

If you know JWs well enough you won't be asking me about this “cross” that's keeping most of you in the darkness. Whatever Roman Catholic Church fabricate and hand over to you, you'll accept wholeheartedly but later you'll go insulting and abusing the Popes behind their backs.

shadeyinka:

There is no church denomination other than the church of Christ in paradise. God doesn't know ECWA, Baptist, Redeemed, Deeper Life etc.God recons with the "sons of God, born not of the flesh but of the spirit of God"Since an angel didn't shed his blood as atonement for my sin like this cult, how can we be of the same family.Heb 1:13-14: "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstoo? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"Did an angel die on the cross for your salvation? I am not surprised as there could be many Jesus's other than the Lamb of God.Probably you don't know that Jesus and Joshua (Yeshua) means exactly the same thing "Yahweh/Jehovah saves".Yes, you are taking well after that Jesus you spoke of

Mr double-standard I've heard you. Meanwhile, those people in the churches/denominations you mentioned cannot seem to come to an agreement about form of worship as it is every man for himself—nobody should set the standards for the others—differing doctrines, teachings and personal opinions—yet you're deceiving yourself with this “one church family” mentality. Continue.

shadeyinka:

Of course!
The Bible says:
Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."

Sir I've observed your comments on NL and you're usually of the opinion that one's group doesn't matter. You said as long as it's a “Bible-believing” church, then it's approved by God? Why the double-standard sir?

Their delusion is at the level of satanic possession!

No be today we begin hear this one sir. In fact, JWs are taking after their “satanic” master, Jesus. Matthew 12:24, Mark 3:22

WILLuKPquiet:

When you argue as a child of God, you do it with love and respect. You are disrespectful.
You guys are always too full of yourselves and thinking you are the only ones going to paradise. And the 144,000 people going to heaven are Jehovah's witnesses only.
Wake up from self righteousness and stop being deceived by Watchtower.

Jehovah's Witnesses always tell people the truth that they don't want to hear. We won't water the truth down for anybody.
Perhaps you're looking for who will sugarcoat lies and tickle your ears, if so go and meet your daddy GOs Adeboye and Oritsejafor they'll be pleased to do that. 2Timothy 4:3-4

Meanwhile this one still dey find where to pitch him tent

livingchrist:
Jesus is Jehovah God[the Father].

livingchrist:

By saying Jesus and the father[Jehovah] are the same person you make Jesus a liar.

MaxInDHouse:
The young woman thought it's like what they've been infusing in her brains in the past.
God na helele
God na waya o
nobody be like am
nobody dey like am
ewo wan nnem
God na helele!

I've noticed that she and her kind normally go into hiding when JWs are around.

Preciousgirl:
1. The people in Act 2:38 were not all foreigners yet Peter baptised all who believed in the name of Jesus.

2. In Acts chapter 10, the family of Cornelius were baptised in the name of Jesus

3. In Acts chapter 19 Paul baptised in the name of Jesus

4. In Colossians 3:17 Paul admonished the church to do all things in Jesus name.

Show me where people were baptised in Jehovah
Jesus Christ is God Almighty

1. Those who got baptized on the day of Pentecost were all Jews and Jewish proselytes so they were conversant with Jehovah God in connection with how his holy spirit helped his people in the past as stated in the Law and the Prophets. Acts 2:22-41

2. The case involving Cornelius is extraordinary. First, he was neither a Jew nor a Jewish convert yet he was God-fearing and was making supplications to the true God(not Jesus) and was favourably heard by God. Acts 10:1-4,31
Then as Peter was briefly speaking to them about God(Acts 10:34-43), Cornelius' family all received holy spirit(this has never happened before baptism) [Acts 10:44]so what's left is for they to get baptised in the name of Jesus since Jehovah had already acknowledged Cornelius and his holy spirit had began working with them prior to the baptism. Acts 10:45-48

3. Paul admonished John's disciples to get baptized in the name of Jesus since John(their former teacher) had already instructed them about Jehovah and the coming Messiah. Malachi 4:4-6, Luke 1:17, John 1:29-37
This was done in order for them to receive holy spirit. Acts 19:1-6

4. Colossians 3:17 KJV
“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by[through] him[Jesus].”
Of course what Paul is telling the Colossians is correct and in line with John 15:16 but whom are they to give thanks to in their prayers? God or Jesus?

peggywebbs:
I already did my research. You should too and stop defending religion and know about your God. Stop letting people brainwash you with a false doctrine. Every body comes up with different doctrines on one same bible.
That shows the amount of lies that is being told. They tell you how to worship, who to call a brother, what you should celebrate, how you should pray, they even dictate the bible you can read and the materials you can study...that's mind control. You cant search for truth elsewhere, you can't ask questions, you can't have a different opinion and you still continue todefend this lifestyle.

Aren't you curious about your history, aren't you curioius about the origin of your practices.? Why continue with a blind eye? Why have you intentionally silenced your spirit? Your inner man questions you but you choose to ignore. All the signs are there, the spirit of truth is as loud as ever. The Lord speaks everyday and you choose not to listen.

You seem quick to forget that the reason why the Pharisees were constantly angry at Jesus was because he claimed monopoly of worship. John 14:6
Why, Jesus even said that one must follow him even when family members strongly oppose them if such one is to get approved by God. Matthew 10:32-40, Luke 14:27
This made the Pharisees so upset and bitter and you can even read about their exchange with Jesus at John chapter 8.
So my dear, since you're of the opinion that nobody should oblige to teach anybody anything, how did you know it was Jesus who was correct and not the Pharisees since the Pharisees also claimed to be children of God? John 8:41

Another instance is the book of Acts.
Acts 2:42 KJV
“And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.”
So were the early Christians foolish for following the apostles and foremost pioneers? Why didn't they allow God to speak to them?

Kobojunkie:
they might as well... Since much of their doctrines tend to run counter to what is in the Bible. Honestly, the same can be said of much of Christianity today since many have abandoned the truth as documented in Scripture to instead pursue after the doctrines and traditions of men, lies which run counter to the truth as declared by God Himself.

When Jehovah's Witnesses knock on your door in the past—if you're open for a discussion—why do you think they'll ask you to bring out your own Bible? So that it will bring an end to all of these misconceptions.

On the other hand, if you're so sure of what you're saying now, you'll support it with proof—as in—show that the NWT is truly out of line else you'd be like those who peddle rumours about.

I've noticed that you avoid JWs, so I won't be surprised if you ignore me. But try to think about what was said.

freshboi88:
Man it's scripture my brother. No angel is coming.
The only person who is coming back to earth is the Lamb, Jesus Christ who says he is Alpha and Omega and that is the revelation the angel is telling John.
Maybe if u use your God given brain Nd not the shit JW elders put in your head, scripture will also make sense to you.
Dispute my point or forever keep shut

It's not when they've exposed you that you'll begin to use subtle tricks to appease the audience. Nobody be your brother for here.

Since it's not the angel who is coming and that those words originate from Jehovah God(not Jesus), then we can agree that it was Jehovah who spoke at Revelation 22:12-13 taking into consideration the channel of communication at Revelation 1:1 but it is Jesus who will act on Jehovah's orders. Mark 8:38; 2Thessalonians 1:7-9; Revelation 19:11-15, 22:20

freshboi88:

Who is coming... Whose coming do we expect? Jesus!..
12“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
The one coming quickly (Jesus) says he is Alpha and Omega.
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
The Alpha and Omega says he is Almighty
Shikena........

Continue sounding like a broken record .
Again, the angel said: “I am coming” at Revelation 22:7, so what are your reasons for we expecting this unnamed angel(since context is to be ignored now)?

Sanitation is nothing to write home about. But I guess that's the “norm”.

freshboi88:

What a very foolish question to ask. Is it not obvious that the angel is revealing the message of God to John. As seen in the preceding verse.
The Angel is speaking but relaying the message of Jesus
Rev 22: 6The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”
Rev 22:7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”
Pretty clear..........

Somebody who said he'll expose haddeylium has taken the first step to expose himself completely. That verse you just quoted has thrown you off balance that's why you don't know where to go from there.
And no, don't bring that idea of the angel relaying words of anybody here since you've decided to ignore the context of Revelation 1:1 so continue like that.
At Revelation 22:7, the angel said:
“I am coming quickly” whose words were these? If you say Jesus, how do you explain the channel of communication in Revelation 1:1?

haddeylium:
The Person speaking and showing John that revelation in that chapter is an Angel. (Rev 22:8,9)
Is Jesus that Angel?

I also asked him this same question and he mischievously avoided it so I overlooked him. He thought he could just pick scriptures anyhow without considering context?

haddeylium:

I can't keep going forth with you. These people have enlightened you enough for a thread.
You've to imitate Jesus for a start .In Jesus prehuman existence, He was a submissive and humble servant . He show great respect for Jehovah's word.Isaiah (50:4-9). The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself has opened my ear, and I, for my part, was not rebellious. I did not turn in the opposite direction.” (Isa. 50:5) This humble Son of God chooses to serve the sovereign Lord 'JEHOVAH' and he was trained. He didn't rebel like some Angels did...
In his Earthly life, He let people know he was the servant chosen by God that Isaiah prophesied.
He rang it in their ears that 'This is not his own will, but his father 'Jehovah'.


Imitate Jesus and learn!

Good points up there. If you ask them to explain Hebrews 5:7-8, they'll tell you Jesus offered up cries and petitions to HIMSELF and that he learnt obedience to HIMSELF.
These trinitarians suppose dey host that “Nite of a Thousand Laughs” show

Tcwork:
I am not JW but from this thead it's so clear that Jehovah's Witnesses handled themselves very well. They seem to be much better in the scrpitures than all those who came against them.
I am sure the good lady who began this has realized her mistakes. These guys are a step above.
All that being said, it is not a competition but a wake up call to all Christians to study the scriptures and don't start what you cannot finish.
A lot of uncharitable words where exchaged. It only goes to show that we Christians are more focused in furthering our church doctrines than living the life of Christ.
Each was more interested in winning the debate, forgetting that, it doesn't really matter who debates better.

Your observations and compliments are commendable. But you know—one can easily read the wrong meaning into this as if Jehovah's Witnesses are seeking their glory. Our Master Jesus never sought his own glory and neither do JWs. John 7:16-18
So whatever you see any of us say stems from the accurate truth/knowledge that our God Jehovah provides through his “faithful and discreet slave”—a small band of mature elders situated in Warwick, New York. Matthew 24:45-47
Visit JW.ORG for more.

livingchrist:
abeg go and sleep,
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Where is Jesus called a servant in Acts 3:13?
Mathew 12vv18, and Isaiah 42:1 all are reference to Jesus earthly life.

Of course your KJV Bible would render it that way so the true meaning of the word won't be understood.
The normal Greek word for “Son” is υἱὸς[huiós]. See John 20:31
This doesn't appear in Acts 3:13 but rather the word that appears there is παῖδα[paida] which when translated means “male servant”. A similar wording παῖς[pais] appears in Matthew 12:18 and is accurately rendered as “servant” in your KJV BIBLE. Go and investigate if you think otherwise.

Since that issue has been sorted out, the question still stands. Why is Jesus still called a “Servant” after his ascension? Acts 3:13?

livingchrist:
see this one, Jesus was in heaven when he took the position of a servant, his position was not that of a servant or an angel before he took that position.

So after Jesus ascended to heaven, why was he still called a “Servant”? Acts 3:13 (compare Matthew 12:18/Isaiah 42:1)

P.S. : Don't forget your homework.

livingchrist:
ofcourse what he quoted is true, but it happened only after Jesus took the form of a servant.
Angels are already servants in nature but not so with Jesus, for Jesus had to take the form of a servant to accomplish the role he played.

According to John 6:38, he was in heaven when he was sent to the earth.

Meanwhile let me give you small homework. Go and read Malachi 3:1 in your own Bible and identify the two “messengers” .

MaxInDHouse:
You're absolutely correct Sir! Luke 12:10

I like the way you handled him. No too much arguments.
Imagine somebody that stupid enough to attribute the fruitage of God's holy spirit to Satan.

This was the same problem those Pharisees put themselves in at that Luke chapter 12

Maybe because he thinks his brethren are praising him that's why he can feel free to run his mouth anyhow. Yet it's the same brethren he'll go about arguing with on several threads about the identity of their trinity.

When somebody displays such level of ignorance he doesn't know the harm he might be doing to himself because what Jehovah said at Zechariah 4:6 has been evident all these years. Acts 5:38-39

ozile:
Why Do Catholics Keep Emphasis on VIRGIN Mary After She Had Several Other Children? I Think Every Mother Was Once A Virgin.

Jesus himself didn't attach that much importance to either his mother or his relatives. Luke 11:27-28; John 7:5
In fact, he viewed those who did the will of his Father as his closest family not even those related to him by blood. Matthew 12:49-50

haddeylium:
Of course!. These creatures have free will. They can choose to serve the Almighty God or rebel against him. That's why we have Satan and the fallen Angels.

But for Jesus;
John 6:38
38for I have come down from heaven to do, [/b]not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

That's what true Christains are doing today. Serving Jesus' God and doing his will

The guy will still come from another angle with arguments. It seems that the scripture you quoted above(and others like Luke 4:43, John 5:19) doesn't exist in their own Bibles else why have they been consistently avoiding it like a plague since you and Max have been reciting it for them since?

MRAKPORS:
If , so why?
And wetin be the difference with the other Bible?

The publishers of the New World Translation were not influenced by bias I assure you. They are/were completely honest in their translation work. Hebrews 13:18

The NWT published by Jehovah's Witnesses restores the name of the true God—Jehovah to appropriate places in the Bible which appears some 7,000times. For example, @Deuteronomy 6:4 your KJV would read: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD”

Meanwhile the translators of the KJV substituted God's original name, Hebrew: “YHWH”, English: “Jehovah” with the title “LORD” and no doubt this brought about the confusion of the false trinity doctrine making it difficult for a honesthearted person to distinguish between Jehovah(God) and Jesus(his Son).

In order to clear up the confusion, God's original name “Jehovah” was restored to the appropriate places where it appeared. So now, Deuteronomy 6:4 would aptly read:
“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.

Note that this is just one feature about this translation as there are others. Go to jw.org if you need more answers. Or you can use the link below:
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/changed-bible-beliefs/

freshboi88:

Bros who is coming soon u dey speak grammar. Y don't u ansa d question first. Then we move from there.
U can't ansa the question because it negates all you believe in. C how Una dey deceive unasef. It just shows how brain washed u r

I've told you times without number that you must consider how other scriptures define something similar so that the understanding can become clearer.

For instance, @Exodus 3:8, Jehovah said:
“I will go down and rescue Israel from Egypt”

But after God said these words, the record show that Jehovah sent his angelic representative and Moses to carry out this task. Exodus 3:10, 14:19, 23:20

Jehovah even told Moses that they needed to listen to the voice of that angel because his name and spirit was upon him! Exodus 23:22

What does this prove? It proves that Jesus when he was on earth, never said he was God but that he came in the name of his Father. Matthew 23:39, Psalm 118:26
And that Jehovah's holy spirit was upon him. Isaiah 61:1, Luke 4:18

So whenever you see the words: “I am coming”—just know that those words originate from Jehovah(Revelation 22:12-13) but it's Jesus whom he sends to basically act on those orders that Jesus receives from his Father and God, Jehovah since according to him he cannot do a single thing on his own and he needs a go-ahead before he can do anything. Matthew 28:18, John 8:28, Revelation 19:11-15

freshboi88:

Keep quiet and ansa the question I did not forget anything. U can twist scripture to suit your evil agenda. Even the devil can twist scripture as we see in the temptation of Jesus.
But your reality check is to provide ansa to this question.
Who is coming soon

That's just the usual “scripture-to-inteprete-scripture” technique.

Again according to Isaiah 26:21 and Isaiah 45:1 who came against Babylon, Jehovah or Cyrus?

freshboi88:
Janosky who is coming soon according to scripture. E run as fast as e leg fit carry am.
Janosky who did d Bible say is coming soon ooooo? Ansa d the question
My people of nairaland shey u can d inconsistencies in the JW doctrine. They are false teachers.
Rev 22:12-13 has exposed their lying asses.
When light comes darkness disappears

You forgot that it was an angelic representative that was relating directly with John? Revelation 1:1, 22:8
Is the same angel the one speaking in Revelation 22:12-15 or is it Jehovah God or Jesus Christ? Those verses are direct words from Jehovah.
Jesus Christ only began to speak from verse 16.

After all Isaiah 26:21 spoke of Jehovah as “coming” to render judgment against Babylon yet Isaiah 45:1 said that it was Cyrus whom Jehovah would send against Babylon. So who actually came and subdued Babylon, Jehovah or Cyrus whom he chose to carry out the work?

livingchrist:
If Jesus possess God's divine nature then he is God, I mean truly God then. And No angels do not possess God's divine nature

2Peter 1:2-4 says that anointed Christians will share in having a “divine nature” along with Jesus Christ. Does that make them equal to Christ and God?