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Myer:
I see you have degenerated to invective and mud-slinging. I'm actually surprised it took you that long.
I, however am not offended, knowing it's a defense mechanism when you have nothing intelligent to say.

Granted I made a mistake, an intelligent person would defend his point and not resort to cheap rhetoric.

Only JW members believe the gifts of the Holyspirit as highlighted in 1 Corinthians are only for a short time. Why do you think so?

Kindly profer scriptural references, other than your misinterpreted 1 Cor 13:8

Young/old man, allow me be
You this confused mixed up atheist

Myer:
I actually think you and Max should stop embarrassing your organisation.
The gift of tongues on the day on pentecost was not even to the Jews but to people from all over the world.

Acts 2:9-11
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

You are a MUMU man!
Below is what I typed:

Those miraculous gifts were needed to identify in a spectacular way that God’s favor had shifted from the Jewish nation and was now upon this new congregation of Christians

How is this still not clear to you? Did I say the Holy spirit was poured on just the Jews after Pentecost 33C.E.? Use sense small abeg

Myer:
You might need to take your foundation class again because I can't keep schooling you on NL

1 corinthians 12:9
To another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit.

Galatians 5:22
But ethe fruit of the Spirit is flove, joy, peace, patience, gkindness, goodness, faithfulness.

I hope you can atleast tell the difference between Faith and Faithfulness.

Another confused churchgoer/confused atheist

Myer:
Well Paul never says it's for a short time. Your leaders said that.
As long as Faith and Hope still exist so should the spiritual gifts still exist because Faith also a spiritual gift 1 Cor 12:9.

What he simply pointed at is that Love is timeless. He never said spiritual gifts were for a short time. Neither did any other apostle mention such.

Your leaders simply saw their powerlessness and capitalised on 1 Cor 13:8 to defend their failure as Christians.

This special gift of tongues received in Jerusalem through God’s holy spirit assisted the disciples there in preaching the good news for a sign to those Jewish worshipers from distant parts of the earth. But the real fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28-32 on that day of Pentecost 33CE was the fact that those who were filled with the spirit prophesied. Speaking with tongues was incidental, for a sign of authenticity or divine backing.—Acts 2:16-22.

Those miraculous gifts were needed to identify in a spectacular way that God’s favor had shifted from the Jewish nation and was now upon this new congregation of Christians. But it was only temporary, hence Paul said those gifts would be done away with among the Christians of the first century (1Corinthians 13:8-10)
Nevertheless, faith, hope and love remained as the distinguishing mark of true Christianity (1Corinthians 13:13) and it is that mark that has identified Jehovah's Witnesses to be the only Christian group to have divine backing.

GRIMMJOE:
This was why I asked you of the intent of religion, in by Muslim intent you're an infidel, as is unbelievers like you that is making this peace impossible.

That discussion is between you and hoopernikao
Free me oo abeg

Maximus69:
How do you expect someone who despises the truth to know anything that's of real benefits?
The first time i encountered Myer was on a thread where they were arguing about speaking in tongues.
This same Myer keep telling them that the idea doesn't work, yet when i said it's no more part of what Christians are expected to be doing right now, Myer turned against me as if i'm the only one commenting on the thread!

I said it that he doesn't know his left from his right nah
At least we know grimmjoe to be an atheist, this one no even get where him dey

Maximus69:
The other thread is a complete waste of time and effort!

They're trying to fill a basket with water, instead of first asking
"How do we all benefit from the teaching of Christ?"

Each is trying to defend the falsehood handed over to them by their misinformed churchgoer pastors!

If God is one and Jesus (the model God presented to humans) is one, then how do you justify different forms of worship with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in the name of the same Jesus?

So Myer will continue to dribble them with his atheistic mindset and lastly they'll start arguing, abusing, insulting and cursing one another!

I've unfollowed the thread already
Myer is even worse than grimmjoe
He doesn't know his left from his right

Myer:
Whether you like it or not, you're just another denomination out of the thousands of denominations under the same religion of Christianity.

Islam on the other hand has just 2 denominations- the Shites and the Sunni.

Myer wise up for once in your life nau!
That I claim to be president of Nigeria, does that make me the president of Nigeria?
As you've been told earlier, there is only ONE true Christian organization in the world today, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
The rest of the so-called denominations can keep claiming what they're not, nobody's stopping them but the truth remains.

MuttleyLaff:
My guy forget that one about "... Enoch prophesied as regards to the wickedness of men in his time and may have sounded a warning to them. (Jude 14-15) ..."

That Book of Enoch (i.e. BoE) and the rest of the other apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books are fictional best seller books written after Jesus' death between the first to fifth centuries
What bible reference(s) are hinging on the destruction of earth to ?

I wonder in the Bible, where, it explicitly states that God destroyed the earth at anytime. Don't mind Myer ojaare, this is how people just like trying to take "panadull" when there even is no headache

The book of Enoch is an uninspired, fallible, apocryphal book full of fanciful tales.
It is likely that the inspired letter of Jude used the same source that the uninspired book of Enoch used.
Or that Jude received all those information directly from Jesus himself, since he was a half brother to Jesus.

Maximus69:
He wants to preach Islam to me, the Religion i knew much more than my teeth!

I saw the light amongst JWs from afar before i began coming closer to see if it's real.

It's when i began studying the Bible that i later discovered God has just one single Organization globally.
Satan only fabricated the rest to look like Original!

True
This idea of multiplicity of religions is an absurd one sha
A mad man can just wake up one morning and say “God called me” , before you know he has built church and members will started addressing him as a “man of God”
That's why most people are still in confusion!

Myer:
My response was as to the destruction of earth.

God already promised not to destroy earth. The coming of Jesus is another discussion.

God never destroyed the earth at anytime
Omoh, at least try open Bible first na
The “earth” symbolizes the creation in it, man or animal

Myer:
For hoopernikao to even claim it is not true only shows his myopia.
Like I said earlier, I was an evangelist and a teacher and this gave me much exposure across denominations.
There is so much division in Christianity and all have biblical references to justify their doctrines.

Why it may seem I esteem muslims more than Christians;

They are more unified in their belief and religion.
They are even willing to die for their religion unlike Christian's of our time.
It seems God has blessed Muslims more.
Muslims are ruling Nigeria.
Majority of Christians prayed against Buhari's second term but still Buhari won.
The brotherly love that is preached by the bible is mostly practised by Muslims.

If I continue saying you know nothing it would look like an insult to you
I hope you know that like Christendom, Islam has different sects and different beliefs
So how are they now united in belief?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are united when it comes to anything regarding belief in God's word, the Bible. Because we don't promote sects or divisions, which is listed among the works of the flesh (Galatians 5:20)
We reject anybody trying to promote a sect in our midst (Titus 3:10-11)

Maximus69:
By their FRUIT you will know them~Jesus of Nazareth

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are the true Christians, so don't expect unity outside God's Organization!

And as for the Muslims, they're only interested in forcing their credulity on others, that's why the real Muslims among them are killing people who will not bow to their Allah calling such ones INFIDELS!

Facts

Myer:
For hoopernikao to even claim it is not true only shows his myopia.
Like I said earlier, I was an evangelist and a teacher and this gave me much exposure across denominations.
There is so much division in Christianity and all have biblical references to justify their doctrines.

Why it may seem I esteem muslims more than Christians;

They are more unified in their belief and religion.
They are even willing to die for their religion unlike Christian's of our time.
It seems God has blessed Muslims more.
Muslims are ruling Nigeria.
Majority of Christians prayed against Buhari's second term but still Buhari won.
The brotherly love that is preached by the bible is mostly practised by Muslims.

When you don talk finish, I dey wait for you for the other thread

Myer:
I actually thought you would mention the amalgamation of Nigeria, since we're helping God decide now.

Several prophesies of end times have been given before 1914. Just do your research. That your organisation decided WW1 fo be the sign of end time, what then happened in WW2? Another end time?

You know the interesting contradiction to this?

God himself promised never to destroy the earth again after Noah's Ark. Did you miss that?

Genesis 8:21-22
And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done.
While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”

In the days of Noah as well, the warning wouldn't have been sounded just once. Seth's descendant, Enoch prophesied as regards to the wickedness of men in his time and may have sounded a warning to them. (Jude 14-15). Many may have thought that it was a onetime warning but no, even after Jehovah commissioned Noah to build the Ark, Noah likewise may have sounded warnings too to the wicked people to repent of their bad ways. 2Peter 2:5 called Noah “a preacher of righteousness”. So likely in all the years he spent building the Ark, he may have been preaching to the bad people so they could change.

Matthew 24:37-39
“For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.  For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,  and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”
So yeah you can keep doubting and ignoring what the Bible actually says concerning the end but that's to your own detriment and no one else's.

AeroplaneApple:
if I had told him myself that he was shallow, he would have felt offended and that was why I chose to deny him a response.

You can see him trying to catch a straw with all the verses he is quoting

The more he does it shows how empty he is, to be honest.

Myer:
I actually thought you would mention the amalgamation of Nigeria, since we're helping God decide now.

Several prophesies of end times have been given before 1914. Just do your research. That your organisation decided WW1 fo be the sign of end time, what then happened in WW2? Another end time?

You know the interesting contradiction to this?

God himself promised never to destroy the earth again after Noah's Ark. Did you miss that?

Genesis 8:21-22
And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done.
While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”

Those things happening simultaneously doesn't mean it will only occur once! That it affects the world on a general scale is what matters here! You can keep arguing with the Bible all you want, that's the reason I didn't want to be involved with this thread in the first place

Genesis 8:21:
“And Jehovah began to smell a pleasing aroma. So Jehovah said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground on man’s account, for the inclination of the heart of man is bad from his youth up; and never again will I strike down every living thing as I have done.”
Emphasis on “every living thing” means it involves both man and beast, He would never destroy man and animals like that again.
As for the wicked people, they are to be expunged from the earth and stricken down(Psalm 37:10,104:35, Proverbs 2:22)

Myer:
So what significant event happened in 1914 that prompted this belief. Since it seems the devil had been banished to earth ever since the beginning of time.

Satan and his band of demons had already been marked for judgment the time they rebelled against God and they no longer were part of his heavenly family, but they were still allowed in heaven.
How do we know this? Thousands of years after Satan incited Adam and Eve to sin, he was still spotted in heaven accusing Job that Job served God for selfish reasons (Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7)
So their banishment from heaven wasn't after they rebelled against God.

Myer:
Isaiah 9:6–7

NKJV

6 For unto us a Child is born,

Unto us a Son is given;

And the government will be upon His shoulder.

And His name will be called

Wonderful, Counselor, lMighty God,

Everlasting Father, mPrince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of His government and peace

There will be no end,

Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,

To order it and establish it with judgment and justice

From that time forward, even forever.

The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.


I don't know what you read but this wasn't taking about heavenly kingdom but an earthly kingdom. Because he was born here on earth and to rule upon the throne of David which is an earthly kingdom.

This singular verse made it difficult for the Jews to accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah because he didn't fulfill it.

But that's another discussion. Let us not derail this thread.

Share your verse and let me give you its contrasting verse.

God's Kingdom would be extended to the earth in due time so why you going around in circles

Myer:
So what significant event happened in 1914 that prompted this belief. Since it seems the devil had been banished to earth ever since the beginning of time.

Okay, now look closely at last part of Revelation 12:12, “...Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time”
When Satan was completely confined to the earth in 1914, he brought about the First World War in history which led to the slaughter of up to 40million[actual figure not confirmed] people, then still under his influence, in the years 1918-1920, the world experienced casualties as well from the then Spanish Flu (a global pandemic), even so in the year 1930, the whole world fell into economic shambles because of the Great Depression, the recurring earthquakes at the beginning of the 1900's and the Second World War[which is tagged the deadliest human conflict ever] had more than 85million deaths and ever since then the world has NOT known peace because of Satan's direct influence, but wait THERE'S MORE! When Jesus' disciple requested a sign of his presence[i.e as him being appointed King of God's Kingdom], he then told them at Matthew 24:1-14 and Luke 21:7-11, the things that would take place in the time of his presence and the end of this system of things.
“Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom[World Wars 1&2] There will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages[The Great Depression] and pestilences[The Spanish Flu and other pandemic since then]...”
All of these things occurred simultaneously indicating that Jesus did become King in heaven in the year 1914

Myer:
Do you even understand the meaning of Ephesians 6:12?
The rulers of this age means that dominion is in their hands.

It's ironic that the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was prophesied to change that but still it didn't. Isaiah 9:6-7

Talking now about Isaiah 9:6, those are names given to Jesus when he became King in God's Kingdom and he will fully exercise the authority given to him when the Kingdom comes to rule the earth.

Myer:
Typical. Instead of running away, why not share your Bible chronology here and let's put it to the test.

Jehovah's Witnesses have enough Biblical reasons to believe that Jesus became ruling as King of God's Kingdom in heaven in the year 1914 (Revelation 12:7-12)
If you look closely at verses 9 and 10, we see two events occurring simultaneously, first the permanent expulsion of Satan and the demons from heaven to the earth and then Jesus Christ being crowned as King of God's Kingdom. These two events have already taken place in 1914.

Myer:
Do you even understand the meaning of Ephesians 6:12?
The rulers of this age means that dominion is in their hands.

It's ironic that the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ was prophesied to change that but still it didn't. Isaiah 9:6-7

One thing is clear here, I can't keep going further with this discussion because you have no idea about Bible chronology

Myer:
Don't be a lazy christian. Atleast share the verse too.
If you're a bible scholar you would know that from Genesis God willed the earth's dominion to Adam and Eve. They lost it to the satan. This is confirmed in the verses below;

Matthew 4:8-9
Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

Revelations 12:12
For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time. 

The resurrection of Christ was supposed to change that but still Paul states otherwise.

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Every post from you just reveals how shallow you are concerning the scriptures

Revelation 12:12 has no relation whatsoever with Ephesians 6:12

Revelation 12:7-12 talks about the permanent expulsion of Satan and his fallen angels from heaven and their permanent confinement to the earth.

Whereas in Paul's letter to the Christian congregation in Ephesus, he wrote:
“because we have a struggle[wrestling], not against blood and flesh, but against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places . ” Ephesians 6:12

The bolded is talking about the powerful wicked spirit beings, namely, Satan and his band of demons. The italicized “heavenly places” is talking about the place/means in which Satan and the demons exercise power and authority from, which means the demonic forces under Satan's control influence the world governments and on mankind in general, so figuratively speaking “heavenly places” mean all the worldly governments.
1John 5:19

GRIMMJOE:
It's OK to ask questions you're not losing your heaven, it doesn't exist it never will.

Do you know that you are a very confused person?
The confusion going on within yourself is so great and it's not letting you sleep, that's why you're still up at 1am trying to contend with people who believe in a Supreme Being

GRIMMJOE:
It's OK to ask questions you're not losing your heaven, it doesn't exist it never will.

Still your opinion

GRIMMJOE:
Just say you have nothing to say, whatever the intent of JW is your God has failed, 140 is too much for a God to do anything.

That's just your personal opinion on things
And no one really cares what your opinions are

GRIMMJOE:
What is the intent of Jehovah witness.

Since you do not have a receptive heart, there's no need going into all that because it's a fruitless discussion

hoopernikao:
Exposing? You must be funny. Bible interpretation have no friends or partner. The only thing that matters is proper interpretation.

JW is not the only one who takes Jesus as not God yet the explanation in most varies. So leave this out. My loyalty is to God's word sir.

Sorry I didn't read that well

GRIMMJOE:
Even among the Jehovah's and the Yahweh, still different opinion, interpretation and believes.

That's where you have it wrong sir!
All of the 8.7million Jehovah's Witnesses in the world are all united by common goals and we all have the same beliefs taught from the Bible.

This your self assertive narrative is taking you no where

hoopernikao:
You still didn't read my text well. You will have to always read my text carefully. They have things hidden in the details.

I never said in that text that I can't defend what I believe or Trinity. Defending is not an issue. It is clear as the day dawn. It is you or others understanding it that I am taking progressively.

But if people (as you also shown in your question here) still struggle to understand the fundamental things about biblical words or narrative, it will be dangerous to just and start discussing what will confused them totally.

For example, you still find it hard to see that when you say Jesus or Christ, that isn't refering to divinity but humanity of Christ and using this as basis of of Trinity judgement is ignorance.

You cannot anoint God, "Christ mean the anointed one" pointing you directly to his humanity. When you still muddle this up, further explanation will be a waste of time. Until you first of all can differentiate when bible points to Jesus divinity and when it points to his humanity, you will always have issues with the words such as father, son, son of man, son of God, Jesus, Christ etc.

Knowledge is progressive, hence I am not in a rush to fully explain it in due time.

There he goes again! With his long speeches