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Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 7:39am On Apr 16, 2018

bibe:
Gov Okowa rejecting Biafra does not equate to him rejecting Igbo likewise others in Rivers.
The contentious issue is Biafra which some Igbos even in the SE reject.

Your assertion of all SS tribes roundly rejecting Igbo is "alternate facts" as Igbos still constitute among the majority tribe in the SS (by population).

The topic based on which your brother here created an imaginary rejection of Edo is one which has to do with an Igbo King's opinion on the boundaries of Biafra and not Igbo land boundaries alone hence my taking him up that way.
As per the bolded: the Igboid groups in the SS are found as fractional inhabitants of just about 5 of the 18 senatorial districts in the SS. So how could they be the majority over the remaining 13 when population is a factor considered in creating senatorial districts?

Here is a link on the rejection of Biafra by all SS tribes.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/biafra-south-south-group-disowns-secession-plans-expresses-confidence-one-nigeria/

For the fact that majority of Igbos want Biafra and have been boasting that a referendum will so reveal, it obviously means that Igbo has become synonymous with Biafra hence the rejection of Biafra by the SS tribes amounts to the rejection of Igbos.

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Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 8:56pm On Apr 15, 2018

Obi1kenobi:
You're still coming to my point! He is making the point that nobody outside of the South East is interested in the Biafran agitation. That is what the thread is about. What is the relevance of quibbling with whether Delta was part of the South East or not? What does it add or subtract from his point?

You may not understand. But those affected understand. Who feels it knows it.

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Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 8:07pm On Apr 15, 2018

Obi1kenobi:
Your quibbling over this trivial matter doesn't really have anything to do with the thread or original post. The fake Eze basically said that all South-South groups were part of the old Eastern region excluding Edo (he probably just failed to state Delta was always part of the Midwest or Bendel). But his central point was that all these groups outside of what is known as today's South East soundly rejected the Biafran agitation. So why stressing a detail that has nothing to do with the post? Is he trying to claim Edo or Delta as Biafran territory, or is he trying to show agitating Igbos that no one is interested in their Biafran agitation?

Please go through the post again and you'll see where he stated that the Old Eastern Region was a combination of the present SS and SE except Edo. Our argument here is that the exception was the entire Midwest which later became Bendel.
As for the bolded; that 'mistake' is all too frequently made by most Igbo narrators of Nigeria's political history.

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Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 7:58pm On Apr 15, 2018

ladiesreject:
If you think your last sentence will make me go back and read that long passage, you're on a long thing (Our 9ja English).

In not more than six sentences, summarize it, and if you can't, knock yourself out.

The OP's post is obviously nearly thrice as long as mine, yet you were able to read it word for word to see the rejection of Edo in it by the Mbaise King who is himself being rejected by his own very Igbo brothers right on this thread.
See, it is not news if an Igbo man rejects Edo or if an Edo man rejects Igbo. These are normal trends. But it is great news for Igbos to reject their fellow Igbo as it is currently happening on this thread.
If Igbos are rejecting each other in the first instance, then which other tribe will not reject them like all the SS tribes have repeatedly done via several formal declarations?

Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 7:44pm On Apr 15, 2018

stingg:
There's an omission sir. First, it was part of Western region. Later broken out of WR and named Midwest, before being named Bendel state during breakdown to states structure and finally - Edo and Delta states.

Thanks for the succinct clarification. In essence No part of Delta or Edo was ever in the defunct Eastern Region as their utterances and ever changing map try to portray.

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Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 7:41pm On Apr 15, 2018

ladiesreject:
You say? Na me want read this epistle?
Summarize it the I'll come back and read it

But I read through your own epistle hence my rebuttal. Anyway, you obviously have been boxed to a tight corner.

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Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 7:27pm On Apr 15, 2018*

ladiesreject:
“I am His Imperial Majesty Eze Nwabueze Soronnadi Ezewiro from Mbaise in Imo State as well as the Lord Mayor of the Igbo Nation and in Diaspora, Eze Agaba-Idu 1 of Igbo kingdom.

Only one person with these plenty names/titles?

Meanwhile, why is everybody denying Edo people? South-East are denying them, South-South are also denying them and worse of all South-West.

Where do they now belong?
Abeg Edo people na where una belong sef?

Please who in the SS is denying Edo? I guess this your Mbaise King is synonymous with SE and SW which are denying Edo according to you?
Meanwhile your Biafra brothers have started readjusting the Biafra map to include the oil bearing LGAs of Edo State.
And why is it that all that Biafrans believe in is attachment so much that the they feel it is abnormal for any people to be entirely on their own? Before you ask why Edo is being 'rejected' by everyone you will be more reasonable to first explain why Edo was the first place Ojukwu the founder of Biafra invaded and tried to annex to Biafra despite knowing it supposedly belonged to the SW as you would have us believe.
You will also do well to explain why Azikiwe the overall leader of Igbos fought tooth and nail to get Edo excised from the Old Western Region together with Delta despite knowing fully well that Edo belonged to the SW as you suppose. You are obviously suggesting that both Zik and Ojukwu were ignoramuses of the highest order, right?

The truth remains that Igbos are jealous and at the same time fearful of Edos because they obviously will be the most difficult people to dominate over by them in a joint SS/SE Biafra.

However, your claim of rejection for Edo is actually an inverted one because it is even the Igbos that have been roundly rejected by all the SS tribes in several declarations through which they all distanced and dissociated themselves from Biafra. From the Itshekiris to the Urhobos to some Aniomas (Gov. Okowa himself inclusive) to Isokos to Ibibios, to Ikweres (Gov. Wike inclusive) to Ogojas to Efiks to Ijaws etc, the Biafra rejection story is the same. I will soon post you a lo link to that effect.

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Politics › Re: "Biafra Is A Fraud – It Was In The Mortuary, Now Gone To The Cemetery" -Nwabueze by Deadlytruth(m): 6:00pm On Apr 15, 2018

prolog2:
Nigerians and their ignorance. The land now called Delta state has never been part of the south-east. It has always been together with the land called Edo-state, first as the midwest region, secondly as part of Bendel. In precolonial times they were both part of the same country (Benin Kingdom).

Their inclusion of Delta State in the old Eastern Region is not really due to ignorance but due to a fraudulent desire to rewrite history in broad daylight in a very shameless manner all in pursuit of forceful self attachment.
Their maps are always changing. The most recent and most annoying ever now cuts the lower parts of Edo South into the former Eastern Region, and Edo North into the former Northern Region leaving Edo Central and the Northern fringes of Edo South as the former Midwest.
Their level of shameless qualifies for a space in the Guinness Book of Records.

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Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 11:06pm On Apr 14, 2018

IchimokuPilot:
I have reported the fellow.

Thanks so much. I hope the mods weed that nuisance off NL entirely.

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 8:58pm On Apr 14, 2018

veecovee:
who's knocking on, abi stoning my door

Pls edit the message and bring in the DEADLYTRUTH how it all happened and how veecovee came in.

Pls ooooo I no get iron hat.

https://www.nairaland.com/1131485/nigerian-stock-exchange-market-pick/2832

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 6:29pm On Apr 14, 2018

onegentleguy:
@ deepsuk or whatever u call urself, why would u keep posting offensive and highly obscene write-ups here time and again?
This forum is a platform that's built on financial inclusiveness around the stock market, and u know it.

u are totally disgusting !!
...ur a complete shame and a misfit in society.
U should be very ashamed of urself If indeed ur a human being. ...which I suspect ur not !!
Its clear ur not even fit enough to have been an Autrolopitacus Africanus, let alone a Homo Erectus !!

Keep putting out ur miserable low life in public.

...beautiful nonsense !!

What has sustained his effrontery here is that the day he was first challenged here by Investnow 2018 et al, Pastor vecovee rose to his defense and attacked all who rebuked him just because he pretended to be conscious of the gospel too.

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Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 9:49pm On Apr 13, 2018

makashava:
What happened to oando price today?

I think the news of fresh litigation by some shareholders probably set in some restraint. It might still be otherwise though.

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 2:39pm On Apr 13, 2018

Agbalowomeri:
Obviously you did not experience 2008 crash; no strategy was left out, everyone was affected

Politics › Re: Buhari’s Three Years Far Better Than Obasanjo’s Eight Years – Tony Momoh by Deadlytruth(m): 4:34am On Apr 13, 2018

ANIOMADEI2018:
LOOOK AT OBJ

SOLD ALMOST ALL OUR COMMONWEALTH......nepa, refineries,nitel etc

FOUGHT OVER LOOTED FUND WITH HIS VICE....ptdf and fasawe saga

INCREASED FUEL PRICE AND SOLD ALL OUR REFINERIES ON THE EVE OF HIS LEAVING OFFICE.....to dangote, otedola etc

HIS SUCCESSOR (YARADUA) INHERITED CRISIS AND STRIKE FROM 1ST DAY IN OFFICE..........due to bad governance and his wickedness against all Nigerians

FOUGHT HIS SON GBENGA AND SLEPT WITH HIS SON'S WIFE IN LIEU OF OIL CONTRACT.....destroyed Gbenga's marital home...abomination

LURED EL-RUFAI INTO DESTROYING PEOPLE'S PROPERTY IN ABUJA WITHOUT COMPENSATION.....heartless

COMMITTED GENOCIDE IN ODI, ZAKIBIAM ETC.......genocide

MONOPOLIZED MANY BIZ AND CEMENT BIZ WITH DANGOTE...his money launderer

MONETIZED NATIONAL ASSEMBLY.......with "ghana must go bags"

FORCED ATIKU OUT OF HIS OFFICIAL VP LODGE.................cos of his 3rd term agenda

FORCED AUDU OGBE OUT OF PDP OFFICE WITH GUN...............babaric

KIDNAPPED A SITTING GOVERNOR IN ANAMBRA, NGIGE................andy and chris uba, the godfathers era

WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS BROTHER BOLA IGE, HARRY MARSHAL ETC...........no report yet

WHO KILLED SENATOR CHUBA OKADIGBO (OYI OF OYI)...........Buhari's running mate in 2003 election

DIVIDED AND HUMILIATED ALL IGBO SENATORS.............with guns and money

INTIMIDATED ALL HIS OPPONENTS WITH EFCC AND ASSASINATION.....dont forget regular plane crashes

INCACERATED UWAZURIKE FOR BIAFRA AGITATION...................

KILLED OVER 2483 INDEGENES OF ODI IN BAYELSA STATE.....

WANTED TO CHANGE NIGERIA CONSTITUTION BECAUSE OF 3RD TERM AGENDER.....almost Killed Sen. Ken Nnamni & Hon. Aminu Masari

TWARTED THE ZONING ARRANGEMENT OF HIS PARTY PDP........this led to crisis in PDP and eventually lost power to APC.

OBJ IS A KNOW CORRUPT LEADER

HOW CAN THIS KIND OF MAN BRING PEACE AND PROGRESS IN NIGERIA?.....Impossible

DECEIVED NIGERIANS AGAINST GEJ. HE TOLD US THAT JONATHAN WAS TRAINING SNIPERS TO KILL PROMINENT NIGERIANS IN 2015 ELECTION. TODAY HE HAS GONE BACK TO JONATHAN AFTER ALL THE LIES AGAINST GEJ. PLEASE GEJ AND MAMA PEACE WATCH YOUR BACK, ALIGN WITH SINCERE NIGERIANS. MY BEST ADVISE IS THAT YOU WORK WITH THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION TO MOVE NIGERIA FORWARD. LET OBJ NOT USE YOU FOR POLITICAL GAINS. HE IS AN EVIL MAN. ONLY A FOOL CAN BELIEVE OBJ.

IBB BROUGHT HIM OUT FROM PRISON, MADE HIM PRESIDENT BUT HE STILL BETRAYED HIM.

AFTER BEGGING ATIKU TO SUPPORT HIS 2ND TERM, HE EVEN TOOK AN OATH WITH HOLY BIBLE. BUT HE STILL BETRAYED ATIKU.

HE BETRAYED YARADUA

HE BETRAYED JONATHAN

HE WANTS TO BETRAY BUHARI NOW

NIGERIANS BE WISE......WITH OBJ NIGERIA CANNOT MOVE FORWARD.

OBJ IS THE EVIL IN NIGERIA.......UNTIL WE REJECT AND IGNORE HIM, NIGERIA CANNOT KNOW PEACE

Well said.

Politics › Re: Senate Suspends Senator Ovie Omo-Agege For 90 Days Over Election Reordering by Deadlytruth(m): 5:52pm On Apr 12, 2018

Efewestern:
How is omo agege Yoruba?,

The mistake they make is their uninformed assumption that the "Agege" in the name means Agege in Lagos whereas it is an Urhobo word which has a totally different pronunciation from the Agege of Lagos and means something like "we are petting" him or so in Urhobo.

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 5:40pm On Apr 12, 2018

rebekah2011:
The audited accounts of Oando will show us more information when it is evetually released in May or june. The problem is how many people are ready to look into it in details. I am interested in our New Head office. i want to know if Oando really owns the building or they will just be tenant. They recently won a pipeline contract with NNPC, I will also want to know who will be chopping it. OER that handles the upstream sector of the group. I want to know who the shareholders really are? I am happy for them that Oil price is trending higher. Will be glad if we can get tp 100+ very soon. It will help our dear First bank and some other banks to recover their bad loans. But will they ever learn not to give loans that will go bad again. Time will tell.

I do not have Oando and I do not plan to own it in the medium to long term.

The bolded shows you alone get my drift.

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 5:08pm On Apr 12, 2018

Agbalowomeri:
Abeg who don see where NEPA take light for Nollywood?

So you dey worry for NEPA matter upon say you spend 9 months for your mama bele without light and nothing happen to you?

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 5:04pm On Apr 12, 2018

swilo:
Not sure I read in school as much as I read posts on this forum.

Since I graduated I never had the cause to read everyday until I joined this house late last year.
The aspect that frightens me most is how some members are able to recall arguments they had with others and they are able to locate the comment and quote them many months later when posterity judges them right. I envy them and wonder why I don't have such capacity. But on the other hand I console myself with the assumption that they bookmark every single comment here.

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Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 4:44pm On Apr 12, 2018

RabbiDoracle:
Why do you check out their report for 2017 YE and see where out of N12b PAT, around 70% goes to non-controlling interest?

How many people really bother about such details? If there were many the mountainous bid currently at Oando junction wouldn't have been.

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Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 2:34pm On Apr 12, 2018

hyness:
Sir, i agree with you 1000%. This happen as a result of emotional instability, the result is you get influenced by what people say or analyzed (which may be true, or NOT).
I remembered some few years back when i had just discovered SMN Forum, by then i just came to some money (my first job and was paid lump-sum) so i bought 98,000 units of Forte Oil (FO) @N42 or there about through FBN Securities (now FBNQuest), suddenly i watched FO went down in price so fast it later tanked @N7, SMN Forum members had no mercy for FO, or the management style of Mr Ot---la. Later at about 1 or 2 years or so later, the price started rising, SMN members still did not relent in their negative assertion about the stock, they went on and on that the rise in price maybe a mirage, once the price got to about @N50 i had to quickly sell becos of the negative vibe that was around the shares. It remained on that spot (N50) for a while . Then the magic started, i watched FO share price moved from that point up until it got to N300, all this happened within 8 months after i sold off if i am not mistaken. I watched helplessly, and cried so hard for days, weeks or even longer (it still hurt remembering it).
Emotions, like my Ogas here keep saying, is the koko of this trade. I keep failing at getting hold of my emotions, it is hard work, and patience, to a large part is tied to your state of emotion. Another one, people here in NSEMPA will remember when Oga CP sighted Caverton last year at around N1.40k, i checked it financials and i agreed with him and bought, then somebody here came and said vuuuuuuuuum on his leg the stock is going to car park, my emotion kicked in, i tried getting reassurance from the floor of the Forum and Oga BBB (pls post more often Sir) and Oga CP that all is well and to just relax, i could not, i sold off at a loss, now, that same stock had done 100% since then, and it is still being looked at as a gem that is yet to unfold. And so many other experiences i have had through this trade becos of not being in control of my emotion.
See my brother, emotion is the key here, that is why i agree with you 1000%. Get updates here in NSEMPA, but at the end, should be in control of yourself, and as the saying goes, "Plan ur trade and trade ur plan" according to BBB.
Sorry for the long story, just my experience in this journey so far referencing Oga Loco impatience, it is HARD, especially if you are an emotional being. AM JUST SAYING.
My regards and shout-out to all the Ogas here, you are specially appreciated cos i have learnt alot about myself, and the Forum is teaching me patience which is very vital in life.

So true! Most analysts that predict doom for stocks based on fundamentals alone seem to have no use for the role of sentiments and the fact that only a very small percentage of Nigerian investors have the capacity to study fundamentals and base their decisions on it.
One thing I have constantly observed in NSE is that primordial sentiments are highly built around some stocks like FO Oando and their likes.

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 2:26pm On Apr 12, 2018

Toluway:
Don't mind all these young guys my Pastor, Yayira belongs to handsome Pa Toluway!

You are throwing stones at yourself o!

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 2:25pm On Apr 12, 2018

Toluway:
Sir Loco is in no way blamable. He is a short term trader and he took the right decision in the circumstances. Short term strategy has it's own advantages and disadvantages. Same with long term strategy.
In stock trading, selling a stock before it starts trending and buying before it starts downgrading is a phenomenon that we all encounter at one time or another and that's not a problem.
That is why some gurus advise that you just patiently pick a stock with formidable and reliable fundamentals and thereafter have your peace. What happens to it in the immediate future is the prerogative of the market, however, rest assured that you would not regret your decision in the long run. One love.

On the condition that you are a long termer.

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 12:24pm On Apr 12, 2018

Jejebaba:
My oga, no be because of woman we dey work sooo. If na for the only thing wey me i go chop for my life, i dont think i need to stress myself with stock investment but to give them and the children a better life bring me com stock market ooo.

Exactly! If na about person alone, which man go dey stress himself like this for NSEMPA to read comments like say him get exam?

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Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 7:19am On Apr 07, 2018

Agbalowomeri:
Someone cannot play with you? Is that how you used to do?

That one na rough play na. Hehehehe......

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 7:19am On Apr 07, 2018

Agbalowomeri:
Someone cannot play with you? Is that how you used to do?

That one na rough play na. Hehehehe......

Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Deadlytruth(m): 9:02pm On Apr 05, 2018

RabbiDoracle:
Your head still dey work out maths ooo...

Me I don use electric wire earth my own comot so that space go dey for money matter.

That you even still dey remember earthing principle mean say your head sef still dey work physics. So where the space con remain for money matter?

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Crime › Re: Warri Lady Dies After Fighting With A Benin Lady -friends Claim She Was Charmed by Deadlytruth(m): 12:29pm On Apr 05, 2018

Saddening that my Edo State is in the news for a wrong reason.
That Bini girl no try at all. Killing someone for a trivial misunderstanding.

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Politics › Re: Nnamdi Azikiwe Pointing To The Site Of University Of Nigeria Nsukka In 1950s by Deadlytruth(m): 2:08pm On Apr 04, 2018

Strikethem:
What I hate is why ironsi change our regional system to unitary. Probably to favour his eastern region, thinking they will dominate.

You are right.
The federalism we were practising back then was a genuine one like that of the US whereby it would take 10 years residency for a non-native to qualify for certain privileges which his host region was offering to her natives. For the fact that Igbos were the most scattered tribe in other regions it meant true federalism of the regional system would deny them such privileges in other people's land for at least 10 years hence they hated federalism and regional system with a passion and did all they could to dismantle it.

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Politics › Re: Ojukwu On His First Day As Governor Of The Eastern Region (Throwback Photos) by Deadlytruth(m): 1:55pm On Apr 04, 2018

gidgiddy:
Captain Nwankwo, Ironsi's ADC has already told the story of Ironsi's death many times.

TY Danjuma was who killed Ironsi and Fajuyi. Had Nigeria been a civilized place, Danjuma would have gone to jail for murder

Don't you also think that if Nigeria were a sane society and Danjuma et al did not kill Ironsi, he (Ironsi) would have eventually gone to jail for treasonable felony of subverting a we-the-people constitution which he swore to defend and obey under any circumstances the day he took the oath of office as GOC?

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Politics › Re: Nigeria Will Break Into Six Republics Before 2023 – Uwazuruike by Deadlytruth(m): 8:25am On Apr 04, 2018

naijjaman:
And you are eating your vomit by responding, right? You are pained and troubled and you know that. This is what happens when you skip your medication, your mind tells keeps working overtime The abandoned property issue has passed and Igbos have moved on. Find yourself in the nearest lake and do the needful, for all I care.

Of course you have no use for comprehension. I promised not to respond except you come up with anything other than your ranting and wailing. However, your claim that Igbos are not the problem of Nigeria is not one of such hence I had to respond to it.

The abandoned property saga has not passed and Igbos have not moved on otherwise they would not have still been crying over it after five decades.
Again, the unitary system you introduced, the secession referendum clause you prevented from entering our constitution, and the vestiges of military rule you introduced all still have their effects telling heavily on us all including your very selves hence you are finding it impossible to get the government to conduct the referendum you so earnestly seek.
So you really have not moved on.

Politics › Re: Nigeria Will Break Into Six Republics Before 2023 – Uwazuruike by Deadlytruth(m): 8:01am On Apr 04, 2018

naijjaman:
I am not the reason why you didn't sleep well. Sleep and peace will elude you if you don't mind your business and stop reasoning like a motor park tout. Igbo's are not your problem. Move on and look for a decent job instead of copying and pasting articles about the civil war.

See the motor park tout himself calling others by by his own profession.
History lays it bare that Igbos are Nigeria's problem.
They truncated our perfectly working democracy post independence, introduced military rule into Nigeria and dismantled our federal structure replacing it with this retrogressive unitary system.
You can prove me wrong if you have counter facts.

Politics › Re: Nigeria Will Break Into Six Republics Before 2023 – Uwazuruike by Deadlytruth(m): 7:44am On Apr 04, 2018

naijjaman:
You are delusional in your reasoning. How many great mean came from your family or town?

As if you know what it means to be great.
You obviously mistake Zik's foolishness for greatness. Ironically most Igbos don't even celebrate him because they have come to realize that his one Nigeria delusion put the Igbo race in harm's way. Can you debate with facts for once if you are serious?

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