₦airaland Forum

VinnyBaba:
U re very IGNORANT.

So Why did Angry Buhari Fans in the North killed those Youth Corpers in 2011?

Almost the Entire North voted Buhari/CPC in 2011. 😏

And when Jonathan and PDP won, they were NEVER vindictive and Jonathan even built ALMAJIRI formal Education Schools for them in 2014.

You APC lots are so full of Tribalism!

Seeking political correctness everytime is not a virtue. In 2011 Jonathan swept Northern states like Kogi, Kwara, Nassarawa, Benue, Plateau, Taraba and Niger. It was only in the Core North that Buhari won. Those who rioted in the Core North did so not because Jonathan won but because there were reported cases of electoral malpractices in their domain.

Your argument on Almajiri schools shows clearly that you weren't even following the issues into details back then else you would have known that the Almajiri schools policy of Jonathan was a show of vindictiveness to the North because right from its conception by Jonathan, Northerners rejected it on the grounds that it was going to be tantamount to educational apartheid, and therefore advised Jonathan to rather spend the allocated funds to revive and expand as many dilapidated public primary schools in the Core North as possible. They added that Ahmadu Bello whom all Northerners rever as the best leader they ever had spent all his life establishing Western Education-based primary, secondary and tertiary educational institutions in the North and discouraged the Almajiri phenomon. But Jonathan's advisers who saw the Almajiri schools project as an avenue to line their pockets urged him to stubbornly go ahead with it in defiance to Northerners rejection of it. If that wasn't vindictiveness, then what exactly was it?

affable4:
Oga forward slash doesn't make two different things one. It can be used as 'or'.

What's the benefit of bringing them together? Is SS better off? Are their politicians from a different planet?
Last I checked, Bayelsa is wallowing in poverty despite oil and having an ex-president among them.

These things are trivial, let's advocate for a better environment for everyone

The context in which SS/SE is used by most Nairalanders, especially those from the SE, is in the sense of being one and the same. You can't claim to be unaware of statements like "we SE/SE need restructuring", we SE/SS are being marginalized", etc. In the context of the above assertions as examples, the forward slash definitely can't mean 'or' because the 'we' which proceeds it makes it clear that they are being taken together as one and not in the sense of a disjunction.

On the issue of whether Bayelsa is doing well as a SS state despite having produced a president and bearing crude oil, you need a refresher course in Nigeria's political history so as to appreciate the fact that their misery in Bayelsa and in the entire SS region is no fault of theirs but a fall out of Igbo greed which inspired Aguiyi Ironsi to first ever tamper with the truly federal constitution by which all parts of Nigeria would have developed by now through healthy competition amidst regional autonomy and resource control.

babaolofin:
Remove EDO and Delta. EDO should be removed totally.

May I know the reason for your opinion that Edo should be removed? If what I am suspecting is as your reason is correct, then your opinion should not apply to Edo-North and I guess you know why.

viodemus:
funny people. Why should igbos care about Senate presidency, if not to give one Nigeria igbos a talking point of hope, to feel foolishly patriotic to Nigeria that seeks their demise.


If igbos leave today, just know it won't be long before the islamics yorubas decide to leave. They know they are not compatible with the north, but their aim to destroy the igbos and their religion similarity, is what unites them. On top of that, the north can bully them to submission.


Igbos should move with discipline. We will keep using their actions to gain foreign practical assistance. We should never start aggression but we should get strong enough to make them loose in catastrophic ways, like how they wish us.

But you Igbos were far more incompatible with the North than the Yoruba moslems both in terms of religion and cultural philosophy yet, at independence, while those Yoruba moslems joined their Yoruba Christian Brothers to propose to you Igbos an all-Southern parties alliance which would have given the South a hedge over the North and even produced an Igbo man as the very first ruler of Nigeria, the same you Igbos rejected that offer claiming it wouldn't augur well for the very one Nigerianism philosophy which you now deride, despise and claim is responsible for the Nigeria tragedy? So whose fault that Nigeria is what it is today other than your very people?
What we have in our hands today as the Nigerian injustice, oppression of the common man, tribalism inspired voting, unprincipled politicking, etc are all the long term consequences of that myopic decision your political forebears made at independence against common sense and ideal principles of politics. According to Mrs. Hilary Clinton; people must learn to live with the short and long term consequences of their choices.

affable4:
The type of people we give attention and relevance in this country ehn.

It's not mandatory to zone the position to SS/SE, but how will it be a mistake if APC decides to?

This type of actions some of us are encouraging will definitely consume this nation.

Please there is nothing like SE/SS. There are six geopolitical regions in Nigeria, and SS is a separate one from SE.

omonnakoda:
Did Nigeria start in 1999?
Nigeria is 63 years old and the North has ruled for 46 years
The same North that created all the states and Abuja and wrote the dubious constitution

Please recall that a Southerner introduced the military rule by which the North came to rule for so long, and also through which the initial equitable independence constitution was destroyed by that Southerner who then replaced it with the unitary one which eventually metamorphosed into this dubious one we currently complain about. The North is innocent as far as the genesis of Nigeria's constitutional crisis is concerned.

OGHENAOGIE:
turn of which South... GEJ Obj rule 13 years of PDP 16 years reign yaradua 3 years GEJ Obj are South yaradua North... And u still think it's turn of south... If it was zoned how did wike others contest??

Don't mind those who keep arguing it was the turn of the South in PDP. Very irrational thinking folks. Turn of the South which had already spent 13½ years while the North was still lagging far behind at
2½ years.

Amah70:
There are 3 major ethnic groups in Nigeria. Ijaw is the 4th.
Of all the 4 groups, it's only the Igbo that is yet to produce a president for Nigeria. Reasonable Yorubas and Ijaws insist that its time for Igbo to produce a president for Nigeria.
You continue to spin the yarn to entertain yourself and Tinubu urchinss.

Hausas have never ruled Nigeria despite being a major ethnic group. Likewise, considering the compellingly evidenced Igbo paternity of Obasanjo, it could be said that Yorubas have never ruled too. What it therefore boils down to is that Igbos have ruled Nigeria three times - Ironsi, Obasanjo and Obasanjo again. Regardless of that, Igbos have twice been given the opportunity to rule but on each occasion they traded it away for asinine considerations only to come back to complain of being denied. So what more do you Igbos want? Are you the only majority in Nigeria?

DMerciful:
East is the only people who fought 3yrs war to leave Nigeria!

Your fight to leave Nigeria was an afterthought inspired by the failure of one-Nigeria to materialize in the way you had thought it would.

Amah70:
Since 1999, rotation of the presidency between the north and the south has been in place and helped to save Nigeria's integrity.


But in 2023 when it's the turn of the Igbo, Atiku and Tinubu would not allow rotation. Atiku knew that the south would not permit his succeeding president Buhari. So Atiku came to contest merely to stop any possibility for an Igbo in PDP succeeding president Buhari.
Tinubu has Igbos who are presidrntial materials and who formed APC with him in APC during APC presidential primaries. But he didn't consider any Igbo worthy of presiding over Nigeria. In 1999, the PDP formed by an Igbo man enabled Obasanjo clinch Nigeria's presidential seat - because of consideration for zoning. Few Yorubas were in PDP then.
A cancer is about to be grown on the body of Nigeria if an Igbo is denied the presidential seat this time.

Without prejudice to the fact that zoning was only a PDP thing at the return of democracy in 1999 and other parties didn't have it in their rules,
In 1999 an Igbo man, Alex Ekweme, was the leading contender for the PDP ticket both in opinion polls and PDP NWC qualification criteria, but Ironically when IBB offered N5m bribe per delegate at the Jos PDP convention to dubiously tilt the tide in favour of a Yoruba man who had failed all the PDP NWC criteria, it was the Igbo delegate that first accepted the inducement from IBB and began to discredit Alex Ekweme thus trading their own opportunity away. That wasn't even the first time such happened. At independence, a southern alliance was muted in which prime minister position was offered to the Igbo nation as a matter of birthright on the strength of the Igbo party NCNC coming first in popular votes, but Igbos rejected it and rather traded it to the Hausafulani for a figure head ceremonial Governor General position in quest for one-Nigeria, only to later start crying of marginalization in few years to follow.
This has always been the attitude of Igbos. Trade away your opportunity for ephemeral egoistic or material gains disguised as a desire for one Nigeria, but later turn around to complain of being ganged up against and denied of that very opportunity.
You can't claim to sacrifice your turn for one-Nigeria and still turn around to ask for that turn. What then does sacrificing mean?

HardBishop:
Don't be surprised, if God allows him to be president, he will make 80% of his ministers of Igbo origins. What help OBASANJO govt to succeed was when igbo governed it for him but I know Igbo intellects will reject.
Yorubas are our main enemies, I really detest them much cos they help damage these beautiful country of ours.

So the Aguiyi Ironsi who promulgated the Unification Decree that kicked off the structural damage of Nigeria was a Yoruba man? I thought you lots have been accusing the British of laying a bad foundation for Nigeria by allegedly placing power in the hands of Fulanis? How come the narrative is shifting again to Yorubas as the cause of the problem? Why do you people from that side always find it difficult to maintain a single line of argument consistently?

Amah70:
Every Nigerian, including Bola Tinubu, knows that it's the turn of the Igbo in the SE to produce a president for Nigeria. Tinubu's it's my turn declaration is an insult to the Igbos.

You Igbos turn was in PDP and was stolen by Jonathan in 2011 to your applause. Tinubu's emi lo kan declaration was in the context of the APC merger agreement that after the CPC component had had its stint, the ACN wing would follow. Pray tell me whether ACN was an Igbo party before collapsing into APC.

Oghighirhighi:
Nigerians can never sit on a round table and frankly come out with any good resolution because the Yorubas and Hausa/Fulanis are in unholy alliance to milk us dry. The only way out would be when there is major crises and people pull apart, just maybe another Aburi can once and for all bring about a far-reaching settlement.

I never knew that Nnamdi Azikiwe and Michael Okpara who pioneered unholy alliances with Fulanis through the NPC-NCNC coalition were Yorubas. Thanks for this revelation.

MasterJayJay:
They picked the money from the streets because money falls from the sky in Lagos.

Even if they pick the money from the streets in Lagos, it still doesn't cut it. After all is it the fault of Lagos that money can't be picked on the ground in their own states?
They should rather go back home, pick money from there and bring it to Lagos before they can talk of voting in Lagos on the premise of paying their taxes in Lagos.

JAMO84:
The money they use to pay tax, where are they making it? They brought money from their villages?

You just took it out of my mouth.
If their state is so viable to generate the money from which they would pay the tax, then why relocate to another state?

DMerciful:
So we should start from the one you like?

Resource control is what we SS/SE want

There is no region called "we SS/SE".
The SS wants resource control but the SE has always wanted unitary system disguised as the call for "One-Nigeria" and nationalism.

lereinter:
Nigeria needs to return to Regional government

Our problems keep increasing with this presidential system

Let every region take care of its self

I don't think presidential vs parliamentary system is the problem. As long as there is autonomy for the subnational units (be they regions or states), attention will shift from the president/ prime minister to the governors/ premiers thus leading to a situation whereby people will be more interested about what happens in their states/regions of origin than in their states/regions of residence.

Jostoman:
The only things that have been working against Atiku since is, He doesnt know how to play dirty politics like Tinubu, El-rufai, Oshiomole, Uzodinma and i respect him for that.

Some of us in the south love Atiku so much but i dont know why majority of northerners always work against him in the north.

Could you kindly remind us who came out on TV to defend the beginning of ballot box snatching and shooting at pollen booths in the 2003 elections especially in the SW? You obviously don't know Atiku at all.

skj1377:
Karma! Your re-election along side your principal Obasanjo in 2003 was worse than this. Pray for mercy from God.

Spot on. I am happy that not all Nigerians have short memory. In 2003 the same Atiku came out on TV to shamelessly validate the sham he and his master OBJ conducted in Gombe State as guber election which saw the blatant rigging out of Habu Hashidu who had in his first term moved mountains as governor of the state. Atiku's repeated failure to win presidential elections since 2007 is a comeuppance of his previous records of validation of stolen mandates both at state and national levels.

I watched the event live on Channels yesterday and Iwanyawu clearly and unequivocally said that "Yorubas are political rascals".
But the most interesting irony which none of the Yoruba commentators here seem to be bothered about is the fact that Obasanjo (an acclaimed Yoruba elder) was right there when Iwanyawu said so but when he (OBJ) later got the opportunity to speak, he didn't make any point of correction to Iwanyawu but chose to allege Igbophobia against other Nigerian ethnicities thus pretending not to see that Iwanyawu's kind of unprovoked outburst which had just happened right before his eyes is one of the causes of that Igbophobia.
How a fully grown Yoruba elder would see an Igbo elder calling his people political rascals right in his presence but ignore it and play the ostrich by turning around to accuse other Nigerians as having a phobia for the same Igbo nation is simply disingenuous. If I were a Yoruba person, I would see a bigger insult to Yoruba race in Obasanjo's conduct than in Iwanyawu's outburst.
I dare say here that a good number of Yorubas are as guilty as Obasanjo as far as this ostrich playing is concerned all in a bid to seek a non-existent southern unity even in the face of provocations and speeches from Igbos which stand as unassailable evidences to the contrary.

Proudlyomonna:
No no no.
Pdp were rigging but Apc's alliance came in with that mindset of We must over take from them now they must do all it takes to keep it.

Where were you in 2007 when Obasanjo, a PDP president, declared in full public glare that the 2007 election was a do or die affair for him and the PDP in his quest to impose Yaradua on Nigeria?

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2023/02/28/flashback-how-olusegun-obasanjo-rigged-2007-presidential-election/

jagabandit:
Even if you give me lagos for free to live,I wil not take it.Lagos if fulll of envious tribe who claims accommodative but turn out to destroy your property because you didn't support their party.
Nigeria has never conducted free and fair elections that is why it is always look like you guys are political relevance.Remove agboros and rigging in Nigeria, you guys will be disgraced.Always sound as if thiefnubuu & his co ever won free and fair elections.But. that does not concern me, whether win or loss,the average life of a yoruba man cannot be better than igbo.man.
You guys have been marginalising igbos cos you think you guys are in partnership with fulani. One day one day, an igbo man will grab the power,that will be the end.Atleast this election is proving one thing for sure that it will not take long before it will happen. Thiefnubuu used INEC yoruba people he planted inside since to rig election,cos under free and fair election, no sane person wil vote for him.
But, sooner or later, the road will clear.
Igbo you see in lagos is because of warf your godfather has refused to open other south south and SouthEast zones.Any day,those places would open,if you see igbo man in lagos,call m3 olodo.

Per the bolded: you Igbos started partnership with Fulanis at the very commencement of independence. You were warned on how that decision was going to end up a disaster to the entire South and especially you Igbos but the short-sighted greed of Azikiwe your overall leader wouldn't let him choose the part of reason over his bogus one-Nigeria dream. Here we are today with you his brothers being hardest hit by his myopic decision of yesteryears. Enjoy your uncle's one and non-negotiable Nigeria.

blaise26abj:
When I say atimes it’s the loud mouths that cause their own problems . All they needed to do was thank the Yorubas that voted for Labour during the presidential elections and encourage them to vote again . Instead na to start to dey beat chest say “ lagos is no man’s land “ . That Yorubas are this , Yorubas are that . Okay now we have heard Una . What if Obi had won ? We would have been abused for 4 years collectively . Igbos are the architects of their own political downfall .

But it was shocking that some Yorubas fell for the IPOB sponsored LP bait of reclaiming Lagos from "godfatherism" in the first instance despite that the Obi they threw up as the face of that antigodfatherism movement was himself guilty of godfatherism in Anambra for handpicking Obiano from the same Lagos and railroading him to powers as his successor in Anambra.

LastProphet:
Clown, where's this one from? Why are you denying the power muslim north has over Nigeria politics? You go to saudi and collect money to fight others in the name of Islam meanwhile you are filling your pockets. A mumu like you get 10k per month to defend their wickedness. Ordinary Nigerians will not take it again. Watch and see with your eye what will happen

Your hypothesis that Muslim North controls Nigerian politics cannot explain Jonathan's 2011 victory which was inspite of Muslim North voting against him.

menstrualpad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftkyUXAiXxo

I pray they don't get felled by UGM bullets any moment thereafter.

PlayerMeji:
No b lie

Build bridges not war chests!

It's time SEUN OSEWA put a check or more importantly a stop to all these hate speeches that have been allowed to fester on and further deepened the divide between Nigerians.

The hate speeches are actually what keep Nairaland alive and bubbling. I can tell you that for many years Nairaland wouldn't catch my fancy until 2015 when I got inspired to leave guest mode and register to counter the mountain of hate speeches which the Biafrans who overnight metamorphosed into emergency patriotic Nigerians self styled as Obidients had begun to erect against Edo State for the "crime" of giving as much as 40% votes to Buhari as against the over 90% purportedly recorded in the other SS states. Ironically today, the same Edo State they insulted continuously for seven years has given one of the highest percentage votes to their own Obi now while their supposed closer SS brothers in Rivers, Cross River and Bayelsa have rejected them for either Atiku or Tinubu; yet we have not heard them insulting Akwa Ibom, Rivers and Bayelsa for this the way they did to Edo.
With this we can understand that their hatred for Edo is inborn as against the 2015 election outcome reason they gave. Now, without their hate speeches, how would you see through their dark and envious minds?
See how they have already started mocking the entire Yoruba race on account of the woke and history-ignorant Yorubas who joined them to vote against APC in Lagos thinking they are "freeing" Lagos from clutches while back in their own SE they didn't really vote against those who have correspondingly held sway on vested interests.

xevove2061:
The precedent tbis man set will haunt Nigerias politics for a very long time to come.
1. You can contest for elections and not hold any single debate.
2. You can run on same religion ticket and nothing will happen to you. Watch many governors tow this route.

You label these two as unprecedented in Nigeria?

Per number one; please kindly remind us if Shagari, Obasanjo, Yaradua and Jonathan attended debates in the elections that took them to the seat of power.

Per number 2, aren't so many state governors already of the same faith ticket?
As a refresher, Adeleke just won Osun with a Christian-Christian Ticket, Obaseki is on a Christian-Christian Ticket in Edo, El-rifai is on Muslim-Muslim ticket in Kaduna, and in fact almost all Southern Governors are on Christian-Christian ticket.

Paramount01:
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Think like person way go school nw

Why always complain when the election did not favor you?
Don't forget oshomole is in Edo North and Edo north is majoly muslim

You are correct on "Oshiomhole is in Edo North" but very wrong on "Edo North is majorly muslim".

In addition, Edo North people don't vote based on religious sentiments at all.

Offpoint1:
This isn't funny, I wasn't expecting Obi to win AK, AK is a known PDP state from Day one... APC winning AK will the greatest joke.

No point in announcing further results, INEC should just announce APC winner... The joke is getting boring.

Change is the only constant thing in life. At some point in time it couldn't even be imagined that APC could win a councillorship election in Bayelsa the home state of the very Jonathan whose 2015 loss formed the basis of APC resentment in the SS and SE. But sooner than expected, the same APC had a landslide in a governorship election for that matter in Bayelsa and it turned out to be based on genuine votes without rigging.
Politics is dynamic and people's minds and perceptions change with time, experience and circumstances. Did anyone expect SE people to ever later have any reason to dump their dearly beloved PDP for even Apga let alone hitherto unknown LP?

Bundaweber:
Abeg shut up!!! When oshiomole said that we should reject obaseki we gree? No be towagba we dey shout upandan. Now we e gba wetin we see from him hand. Leave people to their choices and pray for the best. Obi might even be worst

Exactly. Now that towargba has boomeranged on them, rather than honourably take responsibility, they are looking for ways to blame Oshiomhole again.

Why I agree with you that Obi will be worse is that those currently shouting Obidient in Edo State are exactly the same people who shouted Ogbane and Towargba and therefore caused the very disaster they now accuse Obaseki of becoming. Secondly, Obi is being hyped as a "frugal" person just the same way they hyped Obaseki similarly and the Obaseki frugality has caused hardship in Edo State today.

Nigeriayouthmov:
Etsako that will soon be added to kogi? If you people keep pampering bad politicians will they ever learn? I said this last year about Etsako people and it played out in the election. The disaster obaseki today was also brought to us by oshimole, what about Buhari another disaster was also brought by oshimole and now he is bringing another disaster Tinubu and you all with your stupid selves voted him?

Shuo! Obaseki now suddenly a disaster? The same Obaseki you Binis said in 2020 was the long awaited Edo State Messiah who was fighting for the common man by resisting Oshiomhole's alleged demand for the state's resources?
I guess Esans ( your closest brothers) will soon be added to Kogi State too far the victory of APC in Edo Central Senatorial election just yesterday.
Yes, Oshiomhole messed up by ever bringing Obaseki into Edo State politics against the sincere advise from countless stakeholders in 2016 but when he realized this mistake in 2020 and decided to see it corrected, wasn't it some of you Binis and Esans that voted him back while calling Oshiomhole names? So why blame Oshiomhole now that he wasn't responsible for Obaseki's second coming?